Wednesday, December 5, 2018

El Chapo Trial: Rosero turned himself in to U.S. authorities....but he wasn't wanted...till then

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat


 Jury is a bit bored
The trial seems to be dragging with having the same type of evidence being given repeatedly. 

I think it is a mistake by the prosecution, you can’t present these tedious explanations of transport and ledgers and who knows who and who kills who and who is at war with whom, over and over without it becoming confusing and mind-numbing.  The result may be a jury will  tune out and then began nodding off.

Judge Cogan has had to scold he jury for doing just that.  No good.  Less is best. 

Yesterday I reported about Cogan being concerned with respect to all the murder details in the cross examination of Chupeta.  Cogan thought it was too much and too many ‘bad acts’.

Defense attorney Purpura offered a good and reasonable explanation
"Murder is an infamous act and infamous acts go right to the heart of someone’s credibility. You can’t just gloss over it by saying its 150.  There is nothing greater [than] to show the character of an individual than the effect that they are willing to order the execution of all these people.”
Purpura told the court he planned on the cross examination to be about 10 murders and not 150.  But he further explained that he planned to use an image of 150 persons.  Not the actual victims just a representation of 150 persons off of google.  The government  attorney, Ms Goldbarg,  objected to its use as being “overly prejudicial”. 

Judge says he didn’t have a problem with the image, but wishes to see it before it is presented as an exhibit.

Bad Cocaine Shipment

Today German Rosero aka Barbas  is continuing his testimony. He spoke about bad cocaine, a 2002 meeting with Chapo in the sierras and the transfer of money from Mexico to Colombia.

His first meeting with Chapo was at his home in the mountains, near Culiacan.  He described a “country home with palapas, which was not luxurious”.   It sounds like the home where a video was made of Chapo under one of those palapas. [at left]

The problem was due to a 600 kilo shipment of inferior quality cocaine .  The lesser quality was due to a lack of an extra oxidization step necessary for the best quality cocaine.

Rosero said they were able to work out a deal giving Chapo a 500 dollar discount per kilo on the inferior cocaine.

Damaso Lopez Nuñez, aka “Lic” or “El Licenciado arranged the next meeting in 2003.

Sending the money to Colombia

Rosero testified to the method Chapo used to transport money to Colombia. 

Rosero says that Chapo owned a plane made of carbon fiber, which made it undetectable by radar.  That is what was used to transfer the money.

Rosero said large bills were sent, first sending 500K to 1M, and subsequently the limit was raised to 5M.

Rosero regarding the money traffickers, “We had control over these people. We knew where they lived, and it was them who were responsible if something was lost."

In all Rosero says he met with Chapo 6 to 8 times. He was usually flown to ranches in the sierras, in raggedy looking, ageing Cessnas, and landing on clandestine airstrips.  Those makeshift landing strips with precarious short and steep runways found in the Mexican sierras.

Losing a shipment

Rosero explained how once a load of 12,500 kilos was seized by the US Coast Guard. Rosero went to visit Chapo at one of his ranches to give him the bad news.  Chapo remained calm and pragmatic;  “He told me we had to keep going," Rosero recollected. "We had to keep working."

Respect and the War

The witness testified that Chapo always was respectful towards him, and even asked to become a godfather to one of Rosero’s children.  Rosero said Chapo treated him well and “ it was an honor to have him as a godfather."

He said as time went by Chapo withdrew deeper into the Sierras. And that Chapo was surrounded by more men, who dressed in camo fatigues, something Chapo would do also at times.

In 2007, During the time the conflict between Chapo and BLO, Rosero and his Colombian bosses were on the run.  He did not want to be in the middle of the war, so he quit.

"I didn't want to be in the middle of a war."

Going into a conflict was not a part of what he did, he was the business guy, not a narco warrior, He went into hiding for two years.

Thinking he was under indictment, after two years he traveled to Miami and he surrendered to the DEA, but there were no charges against him.  Subsequently the U.S. charged him after the fact and he has been a cooperative witness since then.

The defense on cross brought targeted Rosero’s financial assets, much of what was not seized.  After “turning himself in…” he was able to retain ownership of vehicles, multiple valuable properties in Mexico and Colombia.

He has yet to serve a single day in an American jail.

85 comments:

  1. Carbon fiber plane ✈️ Undetectable by radar Chapo the 🐐...10

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  2. Turned himself in and wasn't even charges against him till he probably started telling them shit they had no clue about.smh. I wonder how these bigtimers like this guy have no one on their payroll to let them know if they had charges pending on not. I bet he regrets that decision

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    1. READ! He wasn't about the criminal life there for he doesn't think like one. It was just business.turned himself in xuz he probably has a conscience

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  3. If you aren't a Narco Warlord don't ever get involved start selling soap and coffee. This guy is an idiot turned himself in only to be charged even if they weren't looking for him wow.

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  4. Ol chapo is a goner. The Americans have him now. Game over. Give him life. Then lets find and kill mencho.

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    1. Lol meanwhile the business doesn't stop... Contraband will keep flowing across the border. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the game well never be over.

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    2. You proud narco cheerleader... your part of the culture problem.

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    3. I don't think it's about that. It's just sort of a grim reality. AMLO for example...he has great intentions and a quite necessary sense of community but with the outright corruption throughout every branch of the government, I don't think there will be resolve. It's not a truth anyone ones to admit, but it's the reality.

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  5. HE Was an undercover fed all those years

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  6. "Thinking he was under indictment, after two years he traveled to Miami and he surrendered to the DEA, but there were no charges against him."

    that doesn't sound legit at all

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  7. People volunteer to snitch on chapo, just like chapo snitched on mochomo

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    1. Chapo has no respect in mexico

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    2. While chapo was locked up in Mexico he requested the American dea go pay him a visit to give up info on the AFO.. he’s been a documented dirty rat since the 90s

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    3. 11:47. That has been documented more than once. Chapo mentioned to the DEA how AFO was money laundering with exchange houses and pharmacies in Tijuana. That is why La Pantera of AFO was nabbed by the feds. She was washing hundreds of millions for CAF back then.

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    4. Chapo won't make it past midnight on Christmas. We've got a spetznaz trained sic squad that's hitting the detention center. Menchos next. Just wait.

      Sicario 006

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    5. 006...this is a specific threat against an U.S. institution which is a crime, and one I do not take lightly, even if I may think it is a joke, that is not for me to determine. are you saying you know of a plan to attack MCC in Manhattan?

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    6. Double OH Six I think you put your foot in your mouth this time...The F.B.I is gonna come knocking and after they finish and determine it was all a joke,you are going to make the headlines and we are going to all know who you are..You better unplug the laptop and flee whatever country your in..lol

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  8. Wow.... fear lead this guy into turning himself in and he wasnt even wanted! Thats why niggas need to go out el botas blancas!

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    1. What's stopping you from going out like el botas blancas? Let's see your response valiente.

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    2. @9:17 Would you rather go out blazing away or spend the rest of your life in prison? I think that’s the mentality most people have in the drug world. In a shooting you just die quickly if you get overwhelmed. But in prison you get to die a long slow torturous death in that cell of yours. I’m sure this is what Chapo and many others fear in the grand scheme of things. Just constantly rehashing all the would’ves, could’ves and all those other things. Time drags when you’ve got nothing to look forward to in life. It only goes by quickly when you’re having some sort of fun. - Sol Prendido

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    3. @Sol prendido
      As long as there is life, there is hope. I hate to sound like I'm praising this guy, but if Chapo would have given up on life the first time he was caught and went out in a blaze of glory there wouldn't have been a first or second escape from prison. Im sure Chapo had several opportunities to "go out in a blaze" but he obviously opted not to. Once you're dead, you're dead. No heaven, no hell you just cease to exist, that's it. This is what I believe people have a hard time wrapping their heads around. Everything is easier said than done when you're alive but try asking the dead person for a second chance...
      my pops told me a story of "un pariente" who poisoned himself back in mexico when my dad was a little boy. The guy must've been fighting some demons to want to take his own life. Anyway, my dad says when the guy was holding his stomach
      And agonizing in pain he would cry out, "no me quiero morir!"...
      Chapo might be in prison for the remainder of his life but at least he will live to tell about it. Can't same the same for Arturo though.

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    4. Sol...Some narcos go out in a blaze of glory so as to never have to step foot in a prison,especially a U.S prison..But some,knowing the consequence,still fight in a different way for their survival. Maybe Chapo is more brave than those who hate him give him credit for.....I know i wouldnt want to go where he might be going
      Not in this life time,or the next if what ppl say about him is true

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    5. 5:36 you state "Once you're dead, you're dead. No heaven, no hell you just cease to exist, that's it." Yet you believe in demons? When you die, you meet your maker, dont go out a sinner mijo.

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    6. @5:36 he's going to live to tell about it? Tell who? He's on solitary confinement for life

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    7. 5:36 Tell it to who? Lol hell be in solitary in complete madness. Wait, I get your joke, hell definitely be telling the wall about it.

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    8. 7:26 it's a figure of speech, but let me rephrase it for you so that you can better understand.
      *the guy must have been really emotionally distressed in order for him to take his life...
      Is that better for you mijo?...
      Now if you wanna believe that when you die you meet your maker, then by all means do so. I'm not drinking the Kool-aid though.(Drink the kool aid= follow your beliefs)

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  9. Another case of “self snitching”

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    1. Rather,a case of mistaken identity while under the influence.

      E42

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  10. Read this on other news sites.
    Prosecutors are trying to get all and anyone who was involved with chapos drug trafficking empire.
    Can only imagine the long and tiresome jurors who will be spending a minimum of 2 months sitting and biting what nails they have.

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    1. FELL ASLEEP!!
      Yes....a story; I am a zealous student of Mexican organized crime and the 'drugwar'...needless to say. BUT I actually had to close my eyes yesterday while researching near the end of writing this post. It was that boring. I fell asleep and took a nap. So this wasn't posted until late.
      I fell asleep, along with the jury.
      This is a wasteful presentation by the government, it remains to be seen if it is harmful or ineffective. I doubt so.
      But it is grossly unfair to the jury, the court, the case, the taxpayers, the defendant, to present such a glaring misuse of time and money. Keeping it at 4 industrial strength CW’s, [e.g. Flores twins] would have been respectful and had spectators in clear concentration.
      However, when I heard the list of CWs testifying had exploded in number, I began writing my position and arguments of wasteful expenditures, a slap in the face to those conducting long dangerous investigations, and too many deals with bad guys, to put away other bad guys, while 100 other bad guys await the opportunity to fill the shoes left behind.....

      Paz, Chivis

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    2. Understood chivis

      Best wishes

      However, I am curious to see what the Flores twins will have to say. Not a big fan of them. Rather, at a disgust with the plea agreement given to them by prosecutors. A continuous slap in the face for all those impacted by the drug epidemic.
      Something many here shaking their heads in disbelief.

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    3. not about being a fan. with me it is always abut the integrity of the system. the flores twins, guadalupe, zambada and lic would have been plenty of cws

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    4. They are trying to break him so he can admit everything and plead guilty.

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    5. Chivas thank you and happy holidays

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  11. EL SeÑor Chapo is a genuis .Carbon Fiber plane which made it undetectable to radar!!!!


    SICARIO 006

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    1. A man with many resources to achieve a goal does not make him a genius. He has access to lawyers eengineers and fkn international bankers,politico fks. Cant give el chapo all the fkn credit.

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    2. Chapo betrayed everyone.

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    3. Sicario 006....Why do you sound suprised Is this news to you You claim to know about all of the other inside info and about all of chapos weapons of mass destruction and about what special ops forces he has backing him up...Did he not tell you about the Carbon Fiber Money planes??? I dont think he trusted you much.

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    4. 11:05 boy are you a quick one...006 is just satire you rock.

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    5. Thanks to all the fake 006... not sure the actual 006 that seemed to occasionally have real info.. bothers to post anymore.

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    6. 006 is false valor and no member of CDS. Not sure why they allow these false post but oh well, just know it is Puro Mierda

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    7. @11:05 Sicario 006 is a double-secret-probation agent

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    8. 006 is a liar. Don't listen to this BS. The troll changes things when people call him out. Example- the troll say trained by Seal Team 6 until he is called out for being a liar and told it is call Devgru. On the next post the troll then states trained by Devgru.
      This troll use to say trained by Delta force until he was informed he was full of it and that the unit is called CAG. Then on the next post he says trained by CAG.

      I think this troll is obsessed with the Guzman family

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    9. 006 is what my daughter refers to as a "Creeper"

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    10. Lets face is, chapo can be called a snitch by all of us behind our screens. But the man had balls... He scored deals with both US and Mexican governments. He spent his prime years on top of a game we all only dream about. And yes he will more than likely die in prison, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say its been known to happe to drug lords lol at the end of the day, who cares?!? What's it at all for?

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    11. Are you kidding!!! Genius?? Does it take a genius to go down to a company that manufactures carbon fiber planes and buy one… 006 you’re an idiot,

      Russia is selling technology that can shoot an F-35 raptor out of the sky and if Russia has that tech you can bet your ass the US military has similar equipment
      The CW may have thought carbon fiber planes were not detectable...But that depends on who’s doing the detecting

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    12. The hate on fellow comrade 006 is strong. BUT hate only make us stronger. A salute to all brothers in arms from your comrades in russia.
      ExKGB agent

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    13. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a8107/russian-made-tech-vs-americas-stealth-warplanes-13506974/

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    14. Aaaah,and to you as well my friend.
      Ex moussad cia, special forces recon, ranger unit, Blackwater assassin, jag, army corps of engineers, rotc , captain of the debate team, swim team...almost.
      Cheers

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    15. 12:39 You dont know satire when you hear it obviously....smh

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  12. So this guy snitched on himself?

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    1. 8:12 . Sure sounds like it to me . How is that going to play with the Chapo fans on the theory that the jury wont buy it because of why they are snitching . LOL . CHIVIS , They are snoozing because they already have a verdict . Please just give the prosecution a break while they finish the formalities . Besides your side gets the last say . VIVA Chapo in super max

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    2. Actually, I think it was a strategic move. The war broke out around him and he feared for his life. He knew he couldn’t just quit on the cartel. So, he ran to the US for protection. He agrees to testify against Chapo and he gets put in WP. He didn’t do any jail time and got to keep his assets! That’s a sweet deal.

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    3. 1:02 you need to read all the words and pay attention. I said I doubt it will make a difference in the outcome....don't be a speed reader or you miss the point.

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  13. Roseros was paranoid the US was after him, but hey great facts on the stand, Chapo is digging deeper into incarcerated person. Sorry Chapo lovers, but he had it coming.

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  14. Rip to our President Bush 1922 - 2018

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    1. Amen*DEP i posted a great cartoon image on twitter.

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  15. Does someone have the link to the video of chapo integrating that individual in his palapa?

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    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1qFyLaoo8A

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    1. Rack everyone a line of CHUPETA cokes to keep them awake.

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  17. chivis thank you for the outstanding reporting, and analysis. it is much appreciated. how many of these also rans is the jury going to be subjected to?

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    1. not sure. I am guessing at least 14 maybe they will cut back. they clearly should

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  18. I understand the long and detailed, tediousness of the trial, but it is almost frustrating to imagine the jury being bored by this. I mean, I realize, everyone's lives and what they value, or care about are relative to their own.

    But, even if one has no prior knowledge or interest in the legacy of TCO's in Mexico, this is a fascinating aspect of history, and just life in general? What could be more compelling, to explore a life that so few would ever live, much less explain in detail, live, in front of you?

    I always think of Americans, and most people's vast apathy and myopia when I read things like this.

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    1. no one has not been effected...even judge cogan is having difficulties being engrossed and seems bored. in the juries i have been impaneled, i learned less is best. hit hard facts and limit witnesses.

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  19. Mencho couldnt even wash Chapos cars in Chapos prime. No untrustworthy Michaocano tweaker would be allowed anywhere near La Tuna.

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    1. As a matter of fact, my family is from Michoacán , I’ve been to mazatlan, Culiacán, and mainly GUAMUCHIL. Michoacanos are welcomed everywhere. So stop lying.

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  20. It’s all been narcos and drug lords ratting on each other...where is the hard evidence??? Chapo s voice on tape or a video of him packing coke onto a plane like Barry Seal got of Escobar??? Sean Penn has more evidence than anything presented so far...
    GC

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    1. Agreed- "beyond a reasonable doubt" sounds like a pipe dream for the defense right about now

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    2. A mountain of solid evidence is on deck with the flores twins.

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  21. When are the twins or vicentillo gonna show up Chivis?

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    1. I would put them at the end. the strongest and those with the supporting evidence e.g. twins. I am not sure both the twins will testify. I think maybe margarito because i believe he did most of the recordings, but pedro may have a shorter trip to the witness box. "Lic" may be on soon. they need a strong witness right about now.

      I would have used puerca instead of the pilot or this guy.

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  22. Is this an Interpol case or United States vs El Chapo?
    What do murders of Mexican citizens on Mexican soil and jurisdiction have to do with "United States vs ...."?
    Has the Unites States built a RICO case of a foreign citizen and based on crimes commited on foreign soil? Should not they be prosecuting those that actually commited the related crimes on American jurisdiction?
    Am I missing something? I understand the need to hold someone accountable. The rule of law on this appears clearly as an overstep by the US government. He should be returned to his country of origin for prosecution there for crimes that can be proven he commited on that jurisdiction.

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    1. U.S. vs Joaquin Guzman Loera. I wondered the same. I was told "under certain circumstances"

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  23. Perhaps it's a scheme by the defense to mimic the thoughts of Josef Stalin. (When enough murders are committed they become a mere statistic...)

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  24. This is the smartest narco ever. Made his millions. No prison. Not even wanted.

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    1. What about Mayo? He’s never been to prison.

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    2. Mayo, half his family was killed the other in prison. He hides in shacks scared of every noise. Cant see his kids.

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    3. He didn't mention Mayo because he is wanted

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    4. mayo has been mentioned many times by vicente in his statement to the feds-look for that to be replicated in his testimony in the chapo trial. his father will be prominently displayed along with chapo.

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  25. and what about chupeta he took all pablo escobar money from caletas

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    1. Chupeta was Norte del Valle, they ran with Cali. Pablo's paper in the caletas was eventually snatched up by his family, associates and los hermanos Orejuelas,(in return for safe exile of the Escobar family <#extortion>. By the time Pablo died, Paleta(Chupeta) was already losing loads of 20 tons plus of("Mi Cocaína"), as he testified via Maritime conduit and making 000's of M's with #VendeNaranjasAForbesList701, almost equidistant of.6 on the integer. Strong negotiation.

      Pablo's real undiscovered paper sits on intangible assets that are owned by straw purchasers. Unbeknownst to both family and associates the information was compartmentalized by financial advisers and the general ledger was always held down by Osito bicicleta however when Govt and Pepes came banging all that was lost via people/capital exodus, the politicians and everyone who formed P.E's investment/security vehicles packed they bags and closed shop. Undergoing new endeavors with the next man's paper...Imagine the LA, MIA and NY accounts receivables that were uncollected? Let alone what Amado and others juxed him for, HE lost out because of the people/capital exodus of all his investment vehicles. For some reason VendeNaranjasAForbesList701 can have his whole business shut down but the paper is embedded into stable people/capital investment vehicles. The money keep coming in even when he had all the agencies after him or even in Altiplano and even in MCC the paper keep coming in.

      IMO, I would have given all the money away, (#NarcoAltruism) directly back into all the local economies where the paper was transacted before people come off with my paper while they set me up, the latter being the prequel to the former. I'll make a move to the Seychelles and buy the LA Dodgers using trust funds via Panama Papers strategem and call it quits!

      Can you imagine how much bread they kept, the straw purchasers...or at least were paid? Mucho new businesses and opportunities came out of that Jux.

      J.J Velasquez went down trying to get back some of the paper that was held by straw purchasers that eventually died and passed on ownership to their inheritors mostly families of the straw purchasers. They booked him for organized crime, threats and extortion.


      "El Callaíto se ve mas líndo"

      Los Iluminati...
      ManoloScarface

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