Monday, August 25, 2014

EPN: If Mexico's Corruption Is Cultural, "We are Fried"

Aristegui Noticias: Tanslated by Reed Brundage Mexico Voices
Last week,during a conversation with reporters (Conversations in Depth), President Enrique Peña Nieto said,
"I do think there is a cultural issue that, unfortunately, has provoked corruption at all levels and in all organizations, both private and public; it isn't only an issue of public order, and it is fed from both sides, and it has been so, as you have pointed out that one responsible agent is the political party that, precisely, I represent. [But] I think you have to go beyond that; it is a matter that is in the social order."
In this regard, the participants in MVS' [radio] Political Roundtable agreed that if this premise is true, it removes accountability from institutions.

Sergio Aguayo said that under that logic, it can not be combated.

Lorenzo Meyer said that if corruption is cultural, we have to wait one or two generations to change that culture.
"If corruption is in the center and it will take so long to change because institutions do nothing, we're fried," he said.
In turn, Denise Dresser said that if corruption is a reflection of our culture, "then the country has no salvation." 

Plus, she said, institutions don't work against it.

On this subject, Jesus Silva-Herzog Márquez wrote an article for the newspaper Reforma ("Conversation His Way "), released today, which said that
"the President sees corruption as a minor annoyance, a cultural habit. It’s a world phenomenon. It’s human nature, he insisted. Then he gave us his deep and firm conviction: corruption is a cultural phenomenon. Corruption 'is a cultural matter'."
He noted that
"to locate corruption in the space of custom is to abdicate combating it institutionally; it is to rely on the intervention of the centuries, to excuse abuses with anthropological rationales. The presidential confession is extremely worrisome. To continue thinking at this point in time that corruption is a matter of 'cultural order' means that corruption exists because 'that's how we are. Cheating is in our historical nature'."

31 comments:

  1. Ironically, those sites, such as BB reporting on corruption, themselves are plagiarized by others purportedly reporting on the same thing.

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  2. Mexico....corruption from top to bottom. It's not a discussion on if public officials are corrupt it's how corrupt are they. Some states are more corrupt than others but ultimately it starts and ends at the president of Mexico.

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  3. Mexico....corruption from top to bottom. It's not a discussion on if public officials are corrupt it's how corrupt are they. Some states are more corrupt than others but ultimately it starts and ends at the president of Mexico.

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  4. And........here comes the bunch of assholes who are gonna argue that corruption exists in every society or country, their favorite "yes even in the united states" ....ready set.....GO!

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    1. Why don't you guys go after Putin, cowards!

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    2. Do you know what Russia can do to these idiots!

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  5. Best article written Mexico history. Sad but true the people need to make the change. I am a old man, done business in Mexico all my life. Maybe a young leader rise to Power and change the culture. My children wanted to make a change but give up, made a new life in the US. We worried safety.

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    1. Really? I lived in mexico for a period of my life and i never noticed corruption in the culture, not until these last 20 years. It's not that people are naturally corrupt in mexico, the issue is the billion dollar cartels control the government & they standardise corruption. If most of your elected officials have to either be corrupt or be killed & the every day civilian understands this, then of course it feels as if there might be no other option but to be corrupt. Mexico didn't just get together and decide to be corrput it's a situation that was born and caused by the cartel.

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    2. Corruption in Mexico was taught by the Spanish and then perfected by Mexican politicians over time. The only difference today is that the cartels are more overt about their ability to corrupt officials. There is so much money involved in the drug trade it's almost impossible for someone not to take a bribe. Even President Nieto can't deny corruption exists. Is it a "culture" in Mexico? I am not sure but it's definitely a perk that most politicians are taking advantage of as long as they can. Plato o plomo is alive in well.

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    3. Dude, you need to really open your eyes. El que decide no ver lo que esta enfrente de uno no es ciego, se hace pendejo..

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  6. I think Enrique Pena Nieto truly believes this. After all, he knows nothing else. He is a creature of corruption, nurtured in corruption and has used corruption to climb to his country's highest office. "What do you mean crime doesn't pay? Why do you think I went into politics?"

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  7. pena nieto, honored at bijan's store for spending over two million dollars in the store, BEFORE he was even installed as spurious president of the republic again, he knows he owes it all to corruption, enough to deny his family ties to uncle what'shis name of mexico state, and the benefits of politica ranchera, from killing governors since the avila camachos to buying influence city by city all the way down to the humblest "cayento" (police officer patrolling his turf on foot, in spite of the corns=callos).
    blame the actual state of affairs on estado de mexico politicians hellbent of making all the money in the world, in competition with people like carlos slim helu, corrupting all of the best politicians the nation had to offer at the federal level, including el ratoncito orejon, carlos salinas de gortari, BUT the "foreign aid" the US provides, coupled with the apparent legitimacy and gorrilla training, is what keeps these crooks, in power, after much insisting that they are crooks, the president recognizes it is the whole motherfucking truth, all by himself...
    --when are the US going to accept that, according to the president of mexico, those in government are institutional crooks, and still get support and are succored by the US dicks of the world?
    --after two hundred years of US exceptionalist intervention in the affairs of latin america, it is time for us to see the results, the bullshit has been smeared on our faces, no more lies, comprendes? the president has spoken, for his race, the spirit has spoken, it was all true, ther are corrupt!!!
    "POR MI RAZA HABLARA EL ESPIRITU" said some mexican poet...
    --also the motto of the universidad nacional autonoma de mexico...

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    1. You are a dumbass. You are so blinded by your hate for the US that you don't see the error of your own government. Corruption runs as deep as it does in Mexico because it's a generational thing that has lasted for well over 200 years. Mexico wasn't a free country until 1821 and who was here before that? The Spanish and the French. But you blame the US instead. The sad thing is the US government knows the Mexican government is so corrupt that they only work along side specific agencies. Will the US officials admit that publicly? No!!!! You might as well blame Canada while you are playing the blame game. You need to grow a sack and be an adult. You sound like those pansy ass republicans who are still mad a halfbreed is the POTUS. Mexico imprisons or kills the rebel who wants to change things. Is that the US's fault? No. When a populations heroes are named Chapo, Tuta, Caro and Gallardo you get what you ask for.

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    2. Have the courage to admit to yourself that you are your own worst enemy.

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    3. The US is hated b/c you think you own the world, yes sometimes you do want to help but in the end you make things worse.

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  8. Sooo... Is he saying that Mexicans have corruption in their blood... We are fucked.

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  9. No the Mexicans r some of the best people in the world. Just so few have the $$$$$$$$$$$ to fight back. Look what they did to Dr. Mireles. Fine man

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  10. The only way is a true revolution, over throw the government. Let the own guns. only the back guys got guns.

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  11. El PRI la madre de la corrupción,mas de cien años de prueba.

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  12. The photo is HILARIOUS
    Tuta is everywhere :-)))

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  13. " it is to rely on the intervention of the centuries, to excuse abuses with anthropological rationales"
    Will we see liberal intellectuals getting hysterical at this statement of truth?
    EPN recognizes his parties culpability in helping this culture to grow and thrive,,distasteful aspects of culture can and have been changed in cultures the world over....

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  14. Somos Congrejos! (Mexican slang)

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  15. jajajaja I also LOVE the foto. I did not use the boring EPN foto that actually was posted with the article...and I have been dying to use the one above.

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  16. What Mexico needs is to change their whole government like that of Cuba and Venezuela. I feel so sorry for the people of Mexico..I mean the people that are actually living there they have no future there. I am so glad and happy that my family decided to leave that country 30 yrs ago. What the idiot of peña nieto is saying is that corruption is so deep that even if they fight it nothing will change. It's kind of like the big narcos when one falls there's ten more waiting in line. Same goes for politicians they say the will fight corruption but once in office they become corrupted and so on it's a never ending cycle. Sad but true.

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  17. If the narcs are at the root of the problems, after all the money making, how come they don't ever progress except for a few middlemen that become billionaires for a few years until they end up in prison wearing the pink bloomers of sheriff arpaio?
    --the plain truth is the narcs only work it for somebody else, they don't really corrupt nothing, they spread the corruption around to sell their pay, in grams, by the gram, to grameros.
    --the real owners and profiteers of the drug trade are american money launderers and global vulture capitalists who offshore and privatize even their putas madres que los parieron, mitt romney of the church of the MEADOW MOUNTAIN MASSACRE MURDERERS of the lds is a prime example, just take the dirty money, launder it and pretend it has all been redeemed, never mind its procedence, as long as it does not enter the US, not even to pay for the offshored enterprises they buy but never pay for, it is all invested overseas...
    Even manuel noriega's!!! Noriega's money is all out there working arm in arm with the bush's for the globalization of the world...

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  18. EPN is an idiot! I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but everyone knows that in Mexico, Corruption comes from the top. If any one Administration wanted to combat it, all the have to do is create a branch of the government, with teeth, that can investigate and prosecute corruption at the highest levels. Starting with Representatives, Congressmen, Governors, and anyone who holds high office. From there it will trickle down into municipalites. cause right now there's a saying in Mexico. el politico que no tranza no advansa y el policia que quiere llegar a viejo que se aga pendeijo...

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  19. I wanna put my own thoughts in this.. I think there's two reasons for corruption. U want to or ur forced into it. I feel most of Mexico that is corrupt is out of fear. We are in the line of fire and if u don't co operate ur gonna get dealt with and not just u but ur family. Any cartel can get all ur info in the blink of an eye. For Sumone in the US to say " why doesn't Mexico take a stand" well I think that's sumthing very ignorant to say from Sumone no where near the killing zone. Every detail makes u think cuz ur not just losing ur life with a bullet. They torture and dismember. Just the thought of that makes u wanna co operate. It's very hard to figure a way out of this predicament Mexico is in..I just pray. I love my Mexico lindo. Me destrosa

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  20. Mexico is corrupt to the core, has been and always will be. From the president down to the lowest peon. Its just the way it is down there....

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  21. Clearly what is needed in Mexico is a Cultural Revolution similar to what took place in China and Russia. "This behavior and line of thinking *non-corruption* is acceptable, (Reward, Re-enforce) and this type of behavior and thinking *corruption* is not (Purge, Eradicate)". It was brutal and costly but with China and Russia, it brought their countries from backwater traditionalist states to modern functional countries.

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  22. The Opium Wars, shows why china went corrupt, doing business with the english, who had nothing that the chinese wanted, led to the trafficking of opium, and to the institutionalization of drug addiction, there, to the refusal of the chinese to allow the english to continue doing dirty drug dealing business there, to the military response, defeat and reimposicion of the drug trafficking all the way to today, more than 400 years of drug trafficking has led the way to england's being a rich country, and to the fall of even the US as a greatest nation in the world to preferred borrower of chinese money, now parading its ass around the world as the progressive libertarian republic claudicating before the powerful "legalization of drugs" lobby, because they could not hide their hypocrite drug trafficking colors...
    The powerful US drug traffickers now can say they are paragons of liberty for leading the way to the promised land from illegally trafficking drugs, to legal drug dealing, among them THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY and the CIA and all the foreign and domestic money laundering banks.
    get used to it, and live the drug trafficking life the chinese tried to get away from, over 400 years ago...

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