Thursday, October 4, 2012

Mexico Arrests 2 For Murder of Border Patrol Agent

Borderland Beat

UPDATE:  10.5.12
Investigators are preparing to announce that the death of Border Patrol Agent Nicholas Ivie in Arizona earlier this week was the result of friendly fire -- accidental gunfire from another agent who responded to the same scene, state and federal officials told NBC News on Friday.

Agent Ivie
Mexican troops have arrested two suspects in the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent and the wounding of a second officer in Arizona, Mexican security officials said on Wednesday. he two suspects were detained in a Mexican military operation in the city of Agua Prieta, in Mexico's northern Sonora state, a few miles from the spot where Nicholas Ivie was shot dead early on Tuesday while responding to a tripped ground sensor, a Mexican Army officer, who declined to be named.
Ivie was among three agents who were patrolling on foot about five miles north of the international border when gunfire erupted. A second agent was also wounded while the third, a woman, was unharmed.  
The agents had been patrolling in an area near the border town of Naco, well-known as a corridor for smuggling, and the Cochise County Sheriff's department has said that tracks were found heading south after the shooting.
Ivie was a 30-year-old father of two, he had been an agent for four years.
A Mexican police official in Naco, across the border from the Arizona town of the same name, confirmed the arrests, which occurred in the early hours of Wednesday.
U.S. officials refused to comment on the report of the arrests..
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The alleged perpetrators of the attack were arrested in an operation that began in the area of ​​Naco, Sonora (Arizona border) and ended hours later in the neighboring town of Agua Prieta, just over 40 miles east of where the assault occurred .
 
The Mexican operation involved federal and municipal police.  Without providing details, the source said the men were transferred to an agency of the attorney general in Agua Prieta.
It was the first fatal shooting of an on-duty Border Patrol agent since December 2010, when Brian Terry was killed in a shootout with bandits near the border. Terry's shooting was later linked to the government's "Fast and Furious" gun-smuggling operation, which allowed people suspected of illegally buying guns for others to walk away from gun shops with weapons, rather than be arrested.
 
Update:  An Investigation Has Begun to Rule Out "Friendly Fire"
Investigators report that that have reached no conclusions and still have lots of work to do. But they said they cannot rule out that it was a friendly fire incident.
 
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104 comments:

  1. I'm pretty sure that they did it.

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  2. I love how when these animals do something to anger the US the suspects are almost always caught within days.

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  3. Unfortunately, we will never know if they are the true perpetrators. RIP Sr. Ivie.

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  4. Mexican police just pick two men to put the blame on so the USA will shut up

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    1. I was thinking the same thing.

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  5. He'll naw we've got an insider 2 days and Mexico pulled out some random guys to say they did it

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  6. Well that was fast

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  7. Wow, this just shows the level of corruption in Mexico. They don't want to piss of the golden goose and have the US military start setting up shop on the border so they find these guys right away, almost comical how obvious this is.

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    1. No one is setting up shop no where on the border. American citizens, agents, etc. Have been shot at, killed, kidnapped, along the border and still no soldiers?

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  8. Bro you know i know that they are not the killers ......

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  9. damn its really sad to say and forgive me for saying but i feel like the only way for U.S to step in this war if alot of American citizens get harm i hope that never the case but only when atrocities like this hits U.S soil citizens wont take that shit sorry for the loss of this agent i hope this will be the last but narcos are like cancer they just grow and spread and only bring harm I hate what Mexico become i cant come to the realism that why arent the U.S helping does the death toll have to reach 500,000 i know this isnt the only atrocities U.S hasn't got involved with look the genocide in Africa Americans are so caught up reality tv if only they knew the reality of there borders only when americans feel this disease hit there home and its too late when there love one is caught in this cross fire is when they decide to stop this madness and im sick of fuck these little punk ass American teens were these Forbes magazine cover shirt of el chapo Guzman that shit make me sick they idolize these demons and claim the love mexico and proud whats there to be proud about our people are dying are celebrity that do cocaine support these terrorists im done with all shit i guess history repeats it self were going back into barbaric times rip IVIE thank you for your bravery
    :.taco.:

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    1. Agree bro.. I see kids wearing those shirts and bumping corridos.. and reality is none of them really know what's going on over there.. or they had any family members murder by this bastards

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    2. brother man sad sad world we live thanks for agreeing
      :.taco.:

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    3. Its the true bro unfortunately here in Mexico

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    4. Viva el Chapo hijos de su puta madre al MILLON CDS

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    5. Hi Taco. The shirts as sick as they are , are part of society trying to normalize the atrocities. We do indeed live in a rather strange world. I also can't figure why we spend so much time over in the Middle East when the true war is next door. Peace to you.

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  10. unfortunately in order to get these murderers extradicted to the US for trial the death penalty will be pulled from the table. Let the cartels cut these idiots very slowly.

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  11. Yes they r the true perpetrators the cartel gave them up ,they r fucken mad for heating up the area

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  12. Cartels know they blew it and get random dudes to say they did it or else they will kill thier mother, father, and kids. PROBLEM SOLVED THE HEAT IS OFF

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  13. I'm not taking sides... Killing is wrong period... But what did they do when the border patrol shot dead that teenager a few months back?... Good die young... This is hell... Food for thought

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    1. Don't throw rocks at law enforcement if u don't wanna get shot in self defense dummy

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    2. 5:13 different case idiot. the incident in laredo was NOT the first time a bp shoots an UNarmed mexican national

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  14. Gente Nueva killed him. they run agua prieta, working under R5 command.

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  15. I'm pretty sure, Mr Ivie was a good man, a man of honour, i could see it on his face, RIP Mr Ivie, respect.

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  16. The mexican authorities will give them innocent people as the assasins just to say they gow the killers, fucking pri corruption is getting to my balls

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  17. "i cant come to the realism that why arent the U.S helping does the death toll have to reach 500,000"
    When will people use the brain they were born with?How can the US help Mexico?You tell us?
    Mexico hates us,the people hate us,the politicians hate us,so how can we help?Most Mexicans do not want the US on their soil so how do we help,most think the US don't care,but that is what they want to believe no matter what.We are the hated"gringo"where is the way out of this situation?The Mexican people do not want US troops on their soil period.It would be great if the US could put troops there to weed out and hunt the ones who hurt the people,but it won't happen any time soon,how can it,with this antipathy from both sides of the border?

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    1. your right alot of countries hate us thus that stop us from doing whats right no but U.S has a relationship with Mexico idk why there not stepping in thats all i asked you cant answer it i cant either
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  18. "I'm not taking sides...2
    Yes you are,don't sit on the fence.What did you want them to do?What did you want to happen.This is the merry go round again.US V Mexico,it never ends?

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  19. The first thing thatt several people with knowledge of Mexico told me was that Mexico will nab two random guys. It is sad that this is the first thing that people say due to Mexico being corrupt.

    On the other hand, one can not fart in most Mexican towns without all of the neighbors knowing all about it. I hope that they really nabbed the right guys. The cartels may give up two stooges to keep the heat off of the rest. I say give em hell. Make them all feel a bit of wrath or more agents will be at risk. Attack an agent and be ready for the border to be shut down. Just like after the killing of KiKi Camarena. It is the least that we can do.

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  20. Ps: AND I DINT EVEN BOTHER TO READ THE ARTICLE, AS SOON I SAW IT I KNEW IT WAS BS, U.S KNOWS THEY DINT KILL THAT AGENT ALL THE U.S WANTS IS SOMBODY TO PAY FOR IT..

    -ObamaNation-

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    1. Just like the horrorific crimes that happen over in mexico right? If you really do think that, you should buy a plane ticket and visit so you can get a nice taste of the bullshit. You truly are a moron

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    2. Just like the horrorific crimes that happen over in mexico right? If you really do think that, you should buy a plane ticket and visit so you can get a nice taste of the bullshit. You truly are a moron

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  21. Good ole Mexico.. they find the murders right away , good detective work there ...NOT!!! You know this assholes picked up two random people and fucked them over... Hey US we caught the killers now shut the Fuck up... Lol... They got two fools trying to cross into Mexico and pinned it on them...

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    1. do you got proof? no? than shut the fuck up.

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  22. I hope they make it to the us for trial. Problem is , they are labeled the perps. but may die before it is proven. How do almost all murders go unsolved in mexico but they catch these guys after 2 days ? Just like to know the details

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  23. That bull shit now the u.s is crying and asking for the killers lol but wat about whe the bp offiicer kill the inocent guy by the river across nuevo laredo mexico that guy got shot by a bp officer and he was making a cook out with his family nothing to do with nothing wat u guys said about that!! Now the u.s want the killer that a shame!!

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    1. The guy who was shot was a halcon. Someone obviously forgot to tell you that they were also throwing rocks at the agents while chasing a suspect.

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  24. We should make our own video and send it to the cartels. Starring these two fuckers. It'll be a snuff film. I bet the cartels will get the picture then.hahaha elvis has left the building

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  25. o booo hooooo everyone gets all centimental when its a white guy that gets killed. But if that were a mexican pesant yall wouldnt feel a thing! truth is he knew what the risks were and got killed end of story

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    1. Have some f$&@?!ng respect. WE are over there to help you and US more importantly. I have all the sympathy in the world for the massacres that happen in Mexico, but it's obviously seeming inevitable. Learn more about the issue that's going on before you talk stupid

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  26. Why is it when an American Citizen is killed they always find the killer and in Mexico someone is killed they say its part of an organized crime cased closed next

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    1. It's because Mexico and all of there corrupt people are pieces of shit... Literally.

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  27. I think they picked a couple of crack heads n blamed them for it . Cause I dont think Mexico Has a reputable csi team chasing down bp killers . Big Phern

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  28. The dude that was shot in NL was a Z halcon throwing rocks.

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    1. oh ok that explains, come on lady! U said it ur self he was throwing ROCKS NOT GRANADES!! it would of been better to shoot warning shots to cool him down.. Rocks are not gana kill nobody from that distance

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  29. Lo q son las cosas
    en mexico van mas d 60 mil asesinados de los cual si acaso mil an sido esclarecidas q casualidad q d los 10 americanos asesinados dentro d mx y usa todos ezos crimenes an sido esclarecidos son jaladas puro chivo espiatorio q tal si todavia existiera la extinta policia judicial fede
    ral

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    1. primo aca en chicago ya ay 400 muertes este ano y ay mas ciudades americanas que tienen un chingo de muertes so no esten chingando pinches maricas que los estados unido tiene tambien 50,000 muertes desde 2005

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  30. border patrol agents have been killing inocent mexicans for years and they never get in trouble even if theres proof. Now there will be more hatred from the white man. More abuse, just look at three facts if you dont believe me. Just an observation. Im not saying im hapy to see a bp agent killed just looking at the big picture.

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    1. It's because we take way more of a precaution... Considering most criminals caught over there have deadly weapons. Were not gonna risk losing an agent over some disgusting drug traffickers. We have lost many u.s. Citizens over there. Not nearly as much only because there aren't MASSACRES and GUN BATTLES EVERYDAY

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  31. Wrong guys poor bastards

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  32. To the retard posting about the dead juvenile. Accidents happen and theres a job to do. Now for a cartel member to kill a law enforcement officer while in the line of duty it is a completely different thing.

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  33. Where is captain Mexico!? Or the latino avengers!?!?

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    1. Captain Mexico is taking a shit and the latino avengers? lol sounds like a gay latino porno

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    2. Captain Mexico is supplying Cocaine to Captain America, the Coke Head & The Latino Avengers are receiving Guns from the American Avengers...Have some respect for the departed & His family, you stupid assholes.

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  34. My respects to Mr. Ivie's family and to all of his colleagues. You are doing great work for the USA.

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  35. Look at the comments from Mexicans on this topic.
    USA they fuckin hate us.All they do is whine cause of their shitty existence,and blame the US? Stay the fuck OUT of Mexico.Yall can have it.
    What a hateful argumentative people they are.You know even fellow Mexicans(the ones with sense)concede how racist and hateful they are.
    No wonder they get bad press,it is fuckin unbelievable reading all the shit they talk.
    Is anyone else surprised to see this much hatred to the US?

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    1. Nobody hates the US of A, they hate stupid idiots like you.

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  36. This blog is inevitably getting more and more like the Spanish speaking ones.All they do is talk about the"gringo"and hatred and killing this,that,what cartel is the best.This is cultural bottom line,we should stay the fuck away from them.All they do is promote negativity and hatred,i didn't know they were this bad and this bitter.

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  37. Wouldn't you know,it is all a conspiracy from the"whites"as a Mexican above said.Racist bastards,you get fed up every time you come here you see these racist Mexican losers.Of course racism comes from both sides,but not as much from the Mexican side,you get fed up and angry reading it all the time.Man they are negative.

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  38. El Gringo CampasinoOctober 4, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    "only when atrocities like this hits U.S soil citizens wont take that shit sorry for the loss of this agent i hope this will be the last but narcos are like cancer they just grow and spread and only bring harm I hate what Mexico become i cant come to the realism that why arent the U.S helping does the death toll have to reach 500,000 i know this isnt the only atrocities U.S hasn't got involved with look the genocide in Africa Americans are so caught up reality tv if only they knew the reality of there borders only when americans feel this disease hit there home and its too late when there love one is caught in this cross fire is when they decide to stop this madness"
    Well said!
    The narco problem is not just Mexico's problem IT HAS BEEN our problem too, ever since the beginning. 1970 Nixon passed the Drug Enforcement Act or DEA!!!
    And by the way sorry if it offends you bleading heart liberals and neoconservatives, but Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East are not in our hemisphere!!! So yes IMO they SHOULD take a back seat to Mexico, Latin America, and Canada in NEIGHBORING and joint(no pun intended) PRIORITIES. I feel the silent question that we shoukld be begging is: "What GLOBAL and NAFTA etc goals do our G20 and National leaders have in AVOIDING DOING ANYTHING TANGIBLE YET with reguards to the massive bloodshed in the frontera... what larger agenda are they serving that these elected officials should continue to blatently ignore WHAT ANYONE ELSE CAN PLAINLY SEE IS OBVIOUS!!!
    If you try to say they merely have been bought off by the cartels, I think that answer is not complete. I think that applies only to a localized view of the problem. No I think that their is a strategy at work that is STRATEGIC. This is such a PROXY situation. And Mr. Netanyahu and Obama and IRAN are MADE THE TOP PRIORITY!!! Hmmm

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    1. thanks gringo for responding on my early post i may not have the best grammar or spelling but it felt good to post whats on my mind and have a positive response
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  39. Yes let's send troops to Mexico its time they see some real killers let's double the already enormous death toll

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    1. the American troops would get slaughtered bro real talk and dismembered. just send drones.

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  40. El Gringo CampasinoOctober 4, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    RIP Mr. Ivie... John and Wanda Casias, "Lalo" Moreira, and so many many other people who already have and WILL CONTINUE TO become a part of this situation of unecessary death until JUSTICE is done! Both sides of the border!!!

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  41. My prayers go out to his and the other agents familys.. you can say all you want. I have worked that area along the az border and its not safe or easy job to do.we can all fight as say what happen but first stop and at least realize family's are hurting at this moment.. look ppl its a job as you do yrs we do our job we have a job to do .. we know the risk involved in it.. I do know they will find the ppl responsible for this I pray and that god may watch over all.. even the person responsible for this you can run but never hide.This is not the first and won't be the last but I ask god to look over all that try to cross and the agents and all in law enforcement protecting all of us... I will not get into politics or what is the correct thing to do just the American public needs to know the real truth about what is going on in south TX,Nm,Az.. if the general public knew first had as I have seen we would demand change along the border.. GOD BLESS MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS... go green go blue one team one fight ..

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  42. Most of the ppl that say this or that have never spent one day workingalong the border.. when u have spent one day working and dealing with all we have to deal with best just to back off and not say much if it was easy everyone would be doing it.. God bless all the families involved in all the situations and all who have passed in the past .. We do know what risk are involved but we are not selfish we do it to protect you while u are at home on yr computer bashing the goodppl that try to protect you stop for one second and say a small prayer for them and thier family's .. It's hard to read how many ppl have so many negative things to say but don't do anything to fix it I did and do everyday to make The United states the best country to live in .. know right now the boys in green and blue are doing what we can ..

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  43. Wow. How sad that anyone in Mexico could justify the death of a border patrol agent. Whoever killed this guy should be sent to America to face the consequences here.

    As far as the "he was only throwing rocks" nonsense, lets imagine you are all alone patrolling a border that the bordering nation not only doesn't respect, but encourages their people to cross illegally. So you are alone in a desert and a good number of the people you come across are smuggling drugs and are/could be dangerous and carrying weapons, and out of no where you start getting rocks, and other things thrown at you. I guess he should have just walked away. You can kill someone by throwing a rock at them, and the even better question is WHY WOULD AN POOR INNOCENT MEXICAN CITIZEN NEED TO THROW ROCKS AT A BP AGENT? The answer is the person was probably up to no good.

    Why is it that the entire nation of Mexico seems to think it is ok to cross into America illegally, BUT if an American, or anyone else from another country gets caught crossing into Mexico illegally they get put in prison? Mexicos problem is they refuse to take responsiblity for their own problems, do not punish the guilty, and with enough money you can get away with anything. First thing Mexicans say about all the deaths is "well America uses drugs...." and they think that some how makes it ok or our fault. All the murders get blamed on American guns. How about Mexico starts taking some responsiblity for itself?

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  44. they got the wrong people. son inocente. his tocayos set him up.
    ATTE:

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  45. This is what you point cent.understand. in Mexico a American is priority compare to its citizens. Its sick what about all those ibnocents killed by the border patrol for no reason . And they are still free And like nothing happened. We need to demand same treatment for both countries.

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  46. taco
    "but U.S has a relationship with Mexico idk why there not stepping in"
    Brother im white US,and i totally agree with you.
    But you know the Mexican people won't allow US troops on Mexican soil.I got an idea we would love to stop them fuckers from hurting decent people in Mexico,but it won't happen.Its sad,but the truth.Just look at the comments?Its madness?
    Everything is hostile to the US,and for what?

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  47. Poor random two pendejos that are getting this put on them...

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  48. You are so wrong in so many levels, let me start by saying that as an American and a vet i do support all immigration to the US and there are many many Americans just like me, also we as Americans have have created a huge market for drugs, i myself don't use them nor i like them but lets be real they are all around us so we are by default Mexicos problem, and Mexicans walking illegally into the US well lets take a look at that, can you as a "true red white and blue" American live one entire day with supporting an illigal alien? we'll start with the house you live in, chanses are it was built mostly by an illegal work force so sell it and the next one you buy demand to see all the papers of the work force that built it, then lets move to the gas station where you pump gas, yes the "Habib" gas station, most of the Indian or Pakistani employees are illegals that came through Canada, then you stop for breakfeast lunch or dinner, the people that cooked the food washed the dishes and cleaded the restaurant are more than likely illegal Mexican, or Central Americans, then you stop at a grocery store, well the fruits and vegtables were probably picked by...guess who Illegal immigrants, and if you went to the market and bought beef chicken or maybe catfish well all the employees in those industries that do all the hard work are illegal immigrants, are you getting the picture here????? now imajine how much all this would cost us if we paid fair wages to all these people or if all the labor force that does all these services for us were American and we had to pay fair wages, health care, pluse safe work enviorment, plus normal hours, do you get now !!!!! Cristero

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    1. Well said totally agree we say we're against illegal immigration but yet condone it by providing goods and services from illegal migrants all about the money and yet celebrate cinco de Mayo go figure I'm Mexican American but I agree with you and nothing against my people across the border they're hard working people looking looking for the same American dream.

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  49. Mexico is fcked it only cost 30 us dollars for professional hit

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  50. alright everyone...not one more comment that even hints of racism or race divisions will be posted,,stick to the topic. This is disgusting behavior. And you should see this crap I have deleted, I have never seen it so bad.

    First, Americans know this is not the view of the overwheming majority of Mexicans. The majority are fair minded people that judge people by the content of their character and how they are treated by him/her. They do appreciate the US. I know it is hard to believe because of the shit Calderon is always ranting about blaming US, and the peace making poet who never stood up for his people until his Privileged son was murdered. There were no marches and standing for the marginalized people before then.

    I have had many people tell me only the US can save Mexico...and when they heard Tx Gov saying we should go in...well they got very excited. We are neighbors. It is imparitive that we help each other solve issues that are impacting both countries and killing the children in both countries.

    For the Mexicans that only come here to fight Americans...go home to BDN, because there are many of the hated Americans here. You are selfish because we are trying to help inform those outside of the Mex so they will want to work with Mex on solutions. You think after reading your shit they will love Mexico? and the bigoted Americans..you go home also. There is nothing for you here your comments are never going to be allowed in. Go to the skinhead sites.

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    1. Well said I applaud you we are not biased or condone any racial divisions we as Mexican Americans invite all ethnic backgrounds to participate and be informed as to what goes on in mexico on a day to day basis the and yet participate to leave constructive comments rather than racial ones this is not what borderland beat is about but feel free to join in the conversations and give opinions this is not a just for Mexican people sight this is for all people so lets keep it civil people I know its easier said than done justice remember those who wish to waste their breath by typing nonsense it'll be for nothin cause it wnt get posted. Next

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  51. It is amazing that as soon as a american is killed they find the killers with a quickness, but never seem to solve any of the other murders that happen every day. Nothing is solved nothing is really investigated, but within a day or 2 they have found this agents killer, if it is true than that is great but I don't really have a good feeling that who they have are the true killers.

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  52. 2 random, unlucky dudes.

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  53. Feds examine whether 'friendly fire' killed Border Patrol agent

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14228009-feds-examine-whether-friendly-fire-killed-border-patrol-agent?lite

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  55. Also, as an American, our government is scared to get into this. Not only would it directly affect business, but it will be much worse than any insurgency we saw in the Middle East. These guys have more money, better/newer guns, more ammunition, and thousands of what we would call "terrorist cells" sprinkled throughout the U.S. Simply put, it would never end and there wouldn't be a city in the U.S. that wasn't directly affected by violence. Not saying that we wouldn't eventually win, I guess sealing the border off completely would do the trick, without invading. It is sad, I have many friend from Mexico, and they just wish it would end, understandably. There is no simple answer.

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  56. They Can't give them the wrong guys, they will need to be identified by the surviving victims. Although, eye witnesses are notoriously wrong, yet trusted 100%.

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  57. What witnesses the horses no one saw it was in the night sensors were triggered the only one that might be able to Identify the perpetrators is the other injured agent night vision remember and even then still hard to make out with a lot of chaos gng on so mexico querido I hope you do have the right people and not 2 joe blows my condolences to the agent and his family as well as to al the families in my querido mexico who continue to suffer everyday god bless us all amor

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  58. Wow some one. Gave link that it could have been friendly fired another agents gun that could have killed the agent what an embarrassment to Mexico's governmentment saying we got the guy but yet he was unfortunatly killed by another us agent. What would Mexico say then oops wow corruption at its best anything to keep the us quiet

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  59. They should have a Mexican iron man!! He could totally kick cartel ass !! And chapo could be loki and el40 could be the guy driving the taco truck

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  60. I think we shouldall just pray because the terror is not just in Mexico but all over the world. If you read the bible, the things we have been experiencing for the last 12 years are the signs of the times. Instead of finger pointing and blaming who did what, we need to start"helping" each other and stop doing all these racial divisions. At the end of the day,no matter where we are from or what color we are.....we ALL ARE PART OF THE HUMAN RACE....GET IT TOGETHER WORLD!!!!

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  61. Im truly sorry for the agent that lost his life and the other who got injured..and of course their families... but gee.. what a surprise..when border agents.. shoot and kill mexicans on this side of the border.. it is always swept under the rug......why not.. its the mighty u.s who can terrorize the world..but god forbid it happens on american soil...I wish mexico would turn communist.... it sure as hell could sustain itself.. without u.s. intervention or manipulation and for starters.. build a big ass wall..just like the great wall of china..

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  62. why isnt this on yahoo front page?

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  63. Why does everyone believe that by arresting top drug capos and their low echelon henchmen will end the violence in Mexico . I am an American who was raised in Mexico . The main culprit is the pervasive corruption that is institutionalized throughout Mexican society from the highest politicians to the lowly municipal police officer. Corruption facilitates criminal activities like drug trafficking as well as murder, kidnapping , and extorsion . Use to be Mexico was just a transit point for Colombian drugs and drug use among average Mexicans was very minimal . Now the country is awash with armed civilians who are hooked on cocaine , crack , meth and heroin . Mexico is like Colombia in the 80's and 90's and no amount of U.S. aid will return the country to normalcy . It will take a bloody revolution complete with more carnage and mayhem to destroy the corrupt system that allows an entire country to become a "failed state ".

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  64. AS usual no names for the ones that shot them? How come it seems like a few of the people posting seem to know the U.S. Has the two wrong guys? but how do they even know if there's no names? As usual so confusing! Sad! But makes a little sense.

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  65. taco .Your grammar and spelling is good enough.
    At least you can write both,you better than me.
    I got no ill felling to you or any Mexican.Far from it.
    Any right thinking person seeing this situation would feel passion.
    We hate seeing that decent people have to be home before nightfall,mayors getting threatened,little girls going missing.I hope a solution becomes apparent that the Mexican people can agree on to take them forward out of this cartel gang madness.
    Cuidate snr

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  66. What?? possible friendly fire?? That should not be hard to prove with balistics. Now how is Mexico going to have the 2 shooters that possibly never existed? Proving that the agents gun might have killed him could have also been that his weapon was taken from him, so until the facts are revealed authorities in Mexico should keep quiet. The injured agent will be the one to answer these questions.

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  67. By reading most of the comments posted here I have come to one conclusion, many of you are IGNORANT. This does not mean that any of you are any less than me, but that you do not know how things work in law enforcement. All law enforcement officer, uncluding BP Agents, are trained to defend themselves. There is something called a USE OF FORCE MODULE which the officers base themselves to respond to specific threats. The most sever threat is defined as a threat that can CAUSE DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY HARM. When this threat is present officers are justified in defending themselves with lethal force(by using a firearm). Officers are not trained to throw back rocks or shoot warning shots but to stop the threat against them. When a lethal force situation is justified there is no reason to "sweep it under the rug" like someone commented. There you go, you are more educated now. Now some of you can post a more educated comment.

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  68. It is confirmed that the bp Agent was killed by friendly fire by there own colleagues ..

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  69. "RE: October 4, 2012 8:16 PM Chivis said..."

    Thanks & keep up the good moderation. Everyone should have differences in opinions, but we can all keep this civilized otherwise we're confirming that what we fear or don't understand.

    Both countries have so much potential and if the obstacle of ignorance can be resolved, there is a positive future for all of us & our children.

    Don't judge everything on just what is put in the media. Even if there are different articles, when put together and analyzed, the truth is somewhere in the middle unless captured in video or other recording.

    As a frequent traveler to both countries, there are areas that I avoid which don't get the bad publicity Mexico gets. Certain inter-cities and urban depressed locales of the U.S.; Chicago, Oakland, Los Angeles, Detroit, D.C., Houston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, New York, etc. to cite a few have places you just don't want to be caught in anytime of the day.

    This holds true in Canada & other Latin American countries; it's just that Mexico is currently getting slammed.

    Whatever the ultimate outcome will be, we can only pray for a better future anywhere without forgetting the political factors contributing the mayhem (society’s corruption by drug consumption, its demand & supply, unenforced laws, failed policies & anti-narco agencies created).

    We all need each other and reacting with racism against prejudiced elitism isn't the answer. As both an ex-U.S. serviceman and career law enforcement agent, who is proud of my Mexican heritage just like any immigrant to the U.S., I respect everyone’s opinion that isn’t illegal and will defend the rights of anyone – even if I disagree with them.

    Keep up the good work.

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  70. For the Mexicans that only come here to fight Americans...go home to BDN...

    and the bigoted Americans..you go home also. There is nothing for you here your comments are never going to be allowed in. Go to the skinhead sites...

    You said exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure it's hard to filter out all the garbage but at least the majority of them will get bored and go back to the sites that thrive on this kinda hate in their comments. Thanks Chivis, it's been getting pretty nasty in here since the BP agent story.

    520/matt

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  71. And now even the migra union expresses possibility of freindly fire in Arizona.

    http://news.yahoo.com/union-boss-friendly-fire-possibility-shooting-185644567.html

    Where do you see the Mexicanos showing any transparency in what they do?

    Granted, the dust hasn’t settled yet and there are more unanswered questions (which the public may never get) but where do you see Mexico (or any other “democratic” 3rd world country) acknowledge the border is a dangerous place?

    Even Obama and his designated bobble-heads in DHS and DOJ will tell us the border is safer than before. Like the unsolved killing of the U.S. rancher east of Douglas Arizona? Like the border shootings throughout the southwest?

    How about the the Fast And Furious case that Mexico didn’t know about? Even after more assaults and deaths are attributed to guns unleashed in Mexico by U.S. permission? Without accountability (voting-IN ANY COUNTRY) how do we expect our children to believe or trust authorities in any country?

    Yet Calderon wants the U.S. to change its second amendment to restrict private weapon ownership? What about the military grade weapons in Mexico that its military can’t account for?

    Think about it. U.S. citizens can’t buy grenades, rocket launchers or heavy machine guns on the corner gun shop. Other parties (countries/military contractors) are to blame as well – not just the gringo private arms companies.

    If the U.S. even hinted at meddling with Mexican constitutional affairs, the U.S. would be accused of trying to invade again yet Mexico (and other countries) can get away with it?

    Hope the Arizona shooting isn’t a friendly fire incident, but U.S. leaders need to be held accountable for bad training. All politicians who used this as an excuse to initially incite the event also should publicly apologize for their glory seeking.

    Aunque los valientes viven haste que los cobardes quierren, God Bless all officers and troopers (U.S. and Mexican) making the ultimate sacrifices to keep society safe.

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  72. @ 520/matt
    Thanks pat fight the good fight .

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  73. Wow, these guys didn't kill the agent and Mexico was ready to send them over here to rot in the gulags for the rest of their lives! Now it makes me wonder if that guy who ran over the agent at the Imperial Sand Dunes actually did it or was he just some guy Mexico picked up and handed over.



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  74. For all we know this is all B.S. and the injured agent was the one who offed his co-worker. Things like this have happened before

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  75. I am making this comment just to be a little diferent i have two family members that file 4 legal papers it has been 12 years on one and the other 13 years then one of them was told laws have changed he needed to start all over again the other one is still waiting for news does it take that long for gringos to read check and make a decicion on an aplication or they helping their compadres take a vantage of the nesesity of the elligal person that works to support his kids and family do to his status gets paid what everthe boss want to pay show me a elligal that gets 20 dollars an hour and he says no that is to much u give me only 10 dollars aqn hour so i can go kick his asssssss

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