Monday, October 15, 2012

" Anonymous Experts" Says Body May Not be Lazca ;Another Explains Brain Bullet

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Here is an article that feeds the fake Lazca theory.  Unfortunately these are anonymous sources and unfortunately the provided no evidence to back up their claims.  I had an opportunity to see the software in action resizing for "facial Recognition Technique" photo feature layering and measurement at a head and neck reconstructive surgeons office.  the Measurement between eyes and nostrils etc matched, the only thing we could not see were the ears.  The ears do change as a person ages they elongate.  The most comprehensive study was at the Medical Branch of the University of Rostock in Germany in which they followed children as they aged and thee findings concluded the width remains the same but slowly and steadily ears grow in length. 
 
I will say autopsy reports are notoriously in the eye of the beholder, my fathers had errors in his height and included a remark he had a gall bladder surgical scar.  He had no such scar.  My brother was killed and during the trial there were the findings of our private autopsy, Los Angeles county medical examiner, and a third was the defendants own private autopsy.  None matched. 
 
In this case the anonymous experts were not given any evidence nor spoken to anyone connected to the case, but used the same evidence posted here on BB photos and autopsy report, but with an expert eye.  If in fact they used photo comparative technology, it would have been impressive to include those photos with measurements in this report.  Perhaps that is why as they say no one believes them.  I do agree the bullet that remained in the head was a question in my mind, but I have no knowledge about the subject, maybe one of you can explain how a bullet would not exit, on the other hand the government gained nothing by saying either scenario of not exiting or exiting. 
 
If the DNA is being studied using the DNA sequencing techniques, it will take up to 6 weeks.  United States is conducting the DNA testing as well as Mexico.
 
Have at it...and if I received a good amount of interesting points or personal history with autopsy error etc I will make a post with those....Paz, Chivis

An added post, different view providing  a different interpretation of the "occipital" shot..





"ElDiario/Notimex" (El Diario credits Notimex)  

Saltillo, Coahuila-- Humberto Lazcano, one of the men most wanted by Mexican and U.S. authorities, was a healthy man, without tatoos or surgery, disclosed the Coahuila Attorney General's Office (PGJE; Procuraduria General de Justicia del Estado). 


The general director of Investigative Services of the PGJE, Felipe de Jesus Cobos Aviles, asserted that the leader of the Los Zetas criminal organization did not have a terminal illness.


"There was no characteristic showing he had a coup de grace nor a terminal illness -- the body-- of Humberto (sic) Lazcano Lazcano, El Lazca, he was just a little overweight. He was a healthy man according to the characteristics of the autopsy, and his age characteristics, he had no distinguishing signs of tattoos, or of abdominal or thoracic surgeries," he emphasized.



He said that a person that has a terminal illness has apparent physical characteristics such as loss of weight or drawn features; and when one performs an autopsy one can see whether internal organs are affected.


"He did not show loss of weight, his health condition was normal, his organs had normal characteristics, of course, with damage from gun shots, his liver, heart, kidneys had normal characteristics," he repeated.

"Maybe he had a 'lumbalgia'  when he was struck down by the marines in Progreso last October 7, which is why there were no torn muscles or bleeding detected."



He added that there was toxicology reports also performed on the body, tests that were delivered to the Ministerio Publico (Prosecutor's office) of the PGR when they took over the investigation.
Cobos Aviles explained the confusion that has arisen from the traumatological examination, because (the body) presented only five wounds, recalling that "El Lazca's" death was due to laceration and cerebral hemorrhage(intracranial hemorrhage) and hypovolemic and traumatic shock. (loss of blood pressure from bleeding).

He underlined that the doubt was the wound from a large caliber projectile with entry orifice in the occipital region, and which exited through the left anterior part with a trajectory from behind to the front, from below (going) upwards, and from left to right." 


The bullet entered through the occipital bone, went from left to right, in an upwards trajectory, and exited on the “left anterior region ."

The bullet exited,  consistent with the way normal bullets behave. (end of first article)

Then Anonymous Expert
According to forensic experts and forensic sciences working in the legal field consider  it untrue that the body presented by the Secretary of the Navy of Mexico (Semar) and the government of Coahuila as Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano actually corresponds to the leading Los Zetas.

A petition process, specialists from various institutions who requested anonymity made criminal identification using photographs of the corpse displayed by Semar and images in which the head of Los Zetas appears in life.

This exercise is performed based on the coroner's report of the autopsy released by the press on Friday, 12.

"On October 7, 2012, in the amphitheater of the Funeral Garcia de Sabinas, Coahuila, says the document-the forensic medical expert PGJE (Attorney General of the State) the autopsy performed on the body of a person who had no name as (nn), issuing the coroner's autopsy as follows:

Consideration trauma "wound (caused) by firearm projectile caliber with inlet in occipital region, hosting the projectile at the base of the skull, in the front left, back to front path, bottom top and from left to right. "

A second wound "by firearm projectile caliber with inlet port in the back of the left parietal region and exit in right parietal region, which fractured the occipital bone," plus four others injured, also by firearm projectile, which in the opinion of the specialists are not causes of death: one in the right buttock, one on the left buttock, the fifth in the right pectoral region below the nipple-and sixth-right elbow .

- In the wound-number one found inconsistencies according to one of the experts.

-Yes. Because how can a large caliber bullet staying at the base of the skull? Normally, when this dimension projectiles go out, completely cross it because the power of destruction is very high. It is the same effect that humans have when we shot in the head, except in small sizes: the walls of the skull can withstand these impacts. However, Semar said sailors fired at a distance of 30 meters. Imagine the firepower with the gun designed to shoot that distance and hitting someone's head! It is not common. It is normal that the face of the body is completely clean.

-In the town of Progreso, where, according to authorities, Lazca was shot  , a witness told the newspaper Excelsior that one of those who executed the shot was forced to kneel and then shoot ...

-As we have no access to the rest of the information, especially the evidence that would allow us to reconstruct the event or at least look closer through the pictures and trace-says the  expert, we will not know whether or not these maneuvers were performed.

-If it was as she says, does your version fits the characteristics of some of the wounds?

-Matches the number one wound. I have him upside down and lying on the ground, it could agree. But again: we should have access to more documentation to look for other clues, such as traces of gunpowder or burns, because the body, or at least the part of it that show, no burns.




Manipulated images

Another consulted experts refers to the wound two:

"Necropsy entering said (a bullet caliber) in the back of the left parietal region and exits from the right-this is the bone region that lies above the ear, and that the outlet orifice in the right parietal region the occipital bone fracture. If one touches the back of the head, feel a lump, like a ball, that's the occipital bone, or the bullet penetrates and breaks the whole skull fracture this bone. And if you look at the pictures where the dead man appears and is seen lying right ear is not visible outlet. "

Shows images circulating on the Internet: "Look, he says, how the body is in position three quarters and shows clearly the right ear. And above it is the occipital bone where the bullet supposedly came out ... I do not see any hole. "

- What does this mean?

-That the images presented to the public are manipulated and were specially made to appear that the victim is t Lazca. However, the autopsy report and show us what the media is not what happened. Scientifically it is not possible to verify the identity of this subject so we are saying

Scientifically, the pictures we have do not match the ones we know of him. Imagine! It has spread to the Navy used weapons of 2.23 mm. With its destructive power, he would have blown his head. It's simple: do not match the weapons used by the injuries that the subject has died.

- What about the wound three?

-The rest of the injuries are not important for forensic use deadly because they kill. Significant are the head.

- These are the two wounds, comparing the photograph bodies, make us confident that this is not the same person?

-Yes. If you see the images of the subject, you will see that the regions in which they must appear injured, no injuries whatsoever.

-The Coahuila coroner stated that they were six, but five wounds, and said there were signs of plastic surgery in the ears. Is it logical for someone to operate  on the ears and not the rest of the face?

-Is illogical. Now you no longer have the body, how can you leave a doctor to say I had plastic surgery on ears, when I should have said from the beginning, and now the internet pictures removed so they do not see the comparison. The certificate must include the scars and wounds found on the subject.

-In some websites circulated a photograph of the body where it appears with the front part of the nose and dissolved, along with a wound in his lip. To which of the wounds of the corresponding autopsy?

'I should be the first, because when the projectile fired from a firearm enters the occipital region, ie in the neck, from the top down, the bullet hits the bone opposite, which is the frontal bone. But the subject that we have has no wound. Or we did a photoshop or a large theater.


Implausible scenarios


The experts consulted agreed to perform the analysis unofficially only "concern" forensics, to see if things are going well or badly.

- And how are you? -Asked a third expert.

-They were poorly made. Now, on the go, try to restore the situation.

- Lazcano Lazcano may not be dead?

-Until we have evidence of it, affirm it would fail to professional ethics.

Some experts performed a facial explanometría both the face of the corpse as a photograph taken when he lived Lazcano.

- What are the measurements? -Asked the experts.

-No match. The study is called facial explanometría perform certain measurements on the faces of people to try to identify those little features that are unique and that despite any operation is practiced, not change. They are perennial, says one of them.

Explain that these characteristics are the angle of the mouth, the size of the ears and cheekbones, and the "inputs" in the hair.

- What were the results?

-What causes us to doubt the position of the ears. They say they are operated, but still do not agree, because one thing is operated ears and another to rearrange them. The ears are in a different place. In vivo photo of ear level is above the elevation of the eye, while in the picture of the dead is still higher than the ear vivo.

On the corner of his mouth, overlays were made to suit a very obvious way, but in the photo of the subject when he was alive are smaller than the deceased.

As for the size of the cheek bones, these are more prominent in vivo than in dummy, "unless a doctor has recommended stoop bones, but is an operation that here in Mexico is not carried out, and I honestly do not think it's been practiced, "he says.

With respect to the "inputs", while similar, in the pictures of the living subject, are closer to the eyebrow, while the dead are more remote. I know it can be removed, but as it is a genetic trait, entries hair back into place.

-You were saying that these genetic traits do not change. Do not change when the person dies?

-No. Unless the body is rotten.  (or swollen)

- What is the conclusion you reached ?

That the subject that we are presenting as Heriberto Lazcano not him. Unless we have more items, more evidence and access to the file, we could change his mind. Until now, the scientific knowledge we have we can determine that they are not the same person.

- What generates this type of forensic errors?

-Most people do not believe us. There are cases where the public that have been well-publicized, such as the Paulette girl in the state of Mexico. You can not lose years of experience and study of mismanagement made of this information. Forensic experts are destroying us. Those situations discredit the forensic study and really have the interest that this is resolved fairly.

"I hope that forensic experts have an important place in these situations and that the Mexican government to turn the science view. Left to lucubrations, stories and deceive them selves. And that science permeates criminal investigations as in the whole world, except in Mexico, ".

Looks like this may have been google translated

Thank you Vato for the El Diaro article
Proceso and Havana are the Sources

112 comments:

  1. OSWALD WILL CLEAR IT UP HE KNOWS WHO DID IT AND WHERE THE BULLET CAME FROM

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    1. And this is why they would steal the body.
      The funeral home director was probably in the scheme as well.
      Why else would this scum be carrying one photo of ” lasca ” and no id .... to throw off ppl..

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  2. Who cares. Seriously. If he is dead or alive nothing changes. Nothing.

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    1. This is so true!!! Nothing will change in Mexico!!!!

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    2. (sigh) actually, it is . Remember, THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS, it will affect everyone in a small,medium, and large way. Thats me saying and writing it.

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  3. Anonymous experts. Lol

    Do you mean three guys sitting at their computer fantasizing over 2 photos of a man that were 18 - 20 years old.

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  4. The experts say exactly the same as some people who pay attention to details have already noticed and commented on previous posts: the facial shapes of Lazcano and the corpse don't match and so the corpse cannot be and isn't Lazcano's. But the truth isn't convenient in this case and so it will stay that Lazcano was killed although is manifest that he wasn't.

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  5. I knew he wasn't dead.

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  6. @ 5:28
    well exactly it is not very impressive and as I said nothing to back it up. Expert don't just sit in a room and look at the photos, technology is very advanced.

    That said, we want to fairly represent what is out there. I did not see they even mentioned the fingerprints or DNA studies, but the DNA will tell the tale. I just posted a new photo which looks more like the death photos. I noticed they did not mention the lip scar.

    This is going to be another JFK-Tupac..scenario,

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    1. Were u post dat pic

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    2. lol im really digging the whole jfk tupac scenario good comment lol

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  7. The photo above looks just like the autopsy photos. If the above photo is lazcano than that was definitely him on that autopsy table.

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  8. So it hes dead or wat

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  9. "anonymous experts"? they have zero credibilty, just generalities, guesses, nothing. they need to produce their findings. Even Universal did a better job making diagrams of wounds surely an expert could do better

    ridiculous

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  10. If I were these guys making such claims ... I would stay quiet. Otherwise the "dead Lacano" might be at their doors tonight to silence the dispute. HAHAHA!!!

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  11. I saw the headline and got excited, but this is a waste of time and space. The comments here on BB aruging both sides of the story were better.
    These are no experts.

    Where did the photograph come from?

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  12. Anymous expert? Really BB? Hearsay

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  13. come on give me a break...jajaja I did not say I believe it, I just think we need to see whats out there...

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  14. He was already living in pure media and social obscurity. Two very old photos existed of him pior to the death frenzy of the past week. So his big plan was to fake his own death. Get a body double which would pass as being him and go away and live the rest of his life? Umm he didn't need to fake his own death to do that. If he did he would have to be the dumbest capo ever. Even chapo who is a multi billionaire would bother with that non sense. He fakes his own death, gets his name and photo all over the news, gets u.s involved in DNA checking, gets every one of his coked out compadres who Need to be accomplices in the conspiracy to keep quiet? These doped up fiends can't keep their mouth shut for a minute after being caught.

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  15. the guy in the photo here looks like dead lazcano

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  16. And to the people up in arms because there is no way a military trained lazcano could go down like he did take a second to think of what your talking about. He left the military roughly 14 years ago. You know what this animal has done for the past 14 years? He has chilled with his compadres drinking cerveza, doing coke, killing people, and enjoying the power of a psychopath. It's not like he was going to military training every weekend of the month. Hell 14 years ago I could run a 5 minute mile today I would be lucky to come in under a 10.

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  17. Los Zetas numero uno

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    1. Pinche Indio muerto de hambre pendejo!!

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  18. He obviously missed the marines with the grenade launchers,bout the only chance he could of won that fight,his driver was dead which meant he would of been slumped over the steering wheel,ute didnt have no armour,so the marines bullets tore through the chassy like hot knife through butter....he tried making a run for it(lol)to regroup for round two, he ate 5 bullets in the open....slumped over and fell dead.
    18 marines v's Lazcano and his buddy,he was never gonna win this last shootout.
    He is dead.....end of story.
    RIP Z-3.

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    1. Rest in pisss..

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    2. And you forgot to say shit lol

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  19. The round is actually a NATO 5.56 x 45 mm round. Very similar to the .223 Remington, a common hunting cartridge. The biggest difference is in the chamber pressures of the hunting ammunition (the .223 Rem, +/- 55K psi) vs. the NATO ammunition (the 5.56 x 45 mm, +/-61,600 psi). So the NATO cartridge has a much faster traveling round (faster muzzle velocity) of about 1.25 miles per second more; ballistics wise, a very material difference. It is a .223 Rem on Turbo Boost.

    anyways....


    Am I missing something?

    Although I get warm fuzzies thinking about the misery this rat's last moments must have been, would someone explain to me what the hell difference it makes whether it's him or not?

    And to all that don't know why there are cheerleaders for one group over others: It is because of sewer rats like this mf'er and L-40 that kidnapping and the "quota" became an acceptable means for the mafiosos to make a living. Since for a time they didn't have cash flow, they resorted to shit work like shaking down the local taqueros and shit work like that. Gone are the days of the honest narc that just did his business without calling too much attention to himself. It used to be about just giving the fucking gringos what they wanted and deja el mundo que ruede."

    Too bad we couldn't see Lazca's live beheading on video.


    Dear Mr. Badguy: A request.

    When you do finally catch up to Miguelon, please make sure you videotape yourself while you fuck'em up, for at least a few days, before you kill him. While alive, please yank on his intestine and wrap it on a stick; like kite string. I want to see him look at it as you do it.

    Your cooperation is appreciated!

    Sincerely.

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  20. The USA stated in the HUFFINGTON POST,

    "U.S. officials say the U.S. knew that Mexican marines had killed the head of the widely feared Zetas drug cartel before the body was stolen in a pre-dawn raid from a Mexican funeral home.

    One official says the U.S. independently verified the identity of Zeta founder and leader Heriberto Lazcano, killed in a shootout Sunday afternoon in a northern Mexican town, before his body was stolen at gunpoint early Monday."

    ALSO, have the police met and discussed the 'death' of Lazco with Lazco's mother and two brothers? One brother is a priest.

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  21. The man in the photo is definitely Elvis.

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    1. You gave a point.. same facial structure and everything.. hmmm

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  22. The above picture looks nothing like the dead body, the above photo is the real lazca.

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  23. He is not.dead
    He has an agreement with EPN
    This was just a theater play.¡

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  24. First reports that came out of his death said they matched his fingerprints. If its true, then fingerprints dont lie no mater how old you get.

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    1. Same thing I'm saying, But how do we know they actually fingerprinted? Because I'm sure not every single person that gets killed in Mexico is fingerprinted.

      Again, This was before they knew it was Lazca. The treated the case and body like any other. This doesn't add up...

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    2. Yes they do idk why people think Mexico is a thousand years behind. I give it to you the cops don't really do much investigating but the forensics are just like here crime scene photos numbering and collecting casings fingerprinting etc. there are certain laws that can't be broken you never don't finger print a murder victim.

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  25. why not just show the whole photo,obviously there is something beneath him,most likely a hog he just stroked too sleep.....notice his ears are out and about.

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    1. It's a cow you can see the black and white

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  26. BDN has that pic on their site now

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    1. You mean MundoNarco? BDN doesn't have it on their site (yet). Funny they tagged the pic with their site. LMAO

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  27. This looks like the dead photos and the horse race photos. Either way Lazcano is a dead mf.

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  28. Don't you think if it wasn't him the Zetas would be placing narcobanners all over Mexico claiming it's government or rivals propaganda?

    The Z's probably haven't came out to claim his death due to respect of not defying one of their own. But he's dead man, it's over. He's in hell now get raped by Satan.

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    1. and you think the Zetas are stupid enough to come out and say he's not dead so the Mexican Navy can be on his ass again? It seems Lazcano wasn't to involved with the organization anymore and Z-40 was taking over. This would be the perfect move to just let Lazca rest and chill.

      MN has the full pic now, He's sittin over a dead zebra. LOL.

      What really throws me off are his ears, In his older photos and these (don't know it's him or not) look the same. But in his dead pictures they look different. You any see his ears if you're looking at him from the front. Maybe the body swelling? I donk know...

      Another thing is his weight, In this picture his face looks the older pictures, But looking t the wedding pictures of him and Ardilla he looks different.

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  29. Chivis why don't you water mark ur pictures bdn always jacking your work atleast like that you guys will get the credit.

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  30. Some of you guys have lost your marbles. He is dead. Obviously you have never seen shit go down in real life. His number was up. Fate took him end of story. It happens to everybody.

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  31. he was smart no doubt, dead maybe, alive maybe. just think, if he did have terminal illenss and was transfering power to 40 in recent months, this could be a retirement plan like ive said before. even if he gave control to 40 and wanted to bow out and dissappear, he still a bounty on his head. he was smart enuf to come up w this plan and maybe pulled it off. a terminal illness has a way of making people see what important. maybe he wanted to give control to 40 take his $$$ and disappear what better cover than people think your dead, and what better place to pull it off than an area you contol. interesting how 40was conveniently right ther to steal the body. nobodys mentioning this but think about it, if z3 was @baseball game &it was random call that brought military to him and a spontaneous firefight killed him, did he call his buddies and say "hey im about to die and ill be at my gf's brother funeral home"? ya maybe they do rescue dead comrades, but if it was as spontaneous as they say how would they know he was dead, where his body was and steal it within hours?im no conspiracy guy but the timeline dont add up

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  32. Yeah i can't believe how fast the blogs tok the photo...jajaja like little piranhasI notice tierra had my LAZCANO text I added in paint shop arial bold. I have the plain photo also. what jerks i just looked at mundo and the have my added text. too funny

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  33. That piece of shit is fertilizer

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  34. Hey DNA will confirm this in a couple weeks. So calm down everybody lets not start this debate again I still haven't seen Trevino claim his spot in a manta that hes. The leader now maybe he busy with lazcanos accountants and connections and if lazcano is dead or had even a grain of suspicion of Trevino betraying him I bet he put alot rules in place with connections and accountants not to deal with Trevino. Remember trevinos all brawn no brains lazcano had the smarts thats why he took them as far as he did it takes financing to keep operating let see how much Trevino knows while everyone is gunning for him if l dealt with lazcano and hes not around you think I would deal with a bonehead such as Trevino can you imagine those accountants running or transfering funds to their own accounts how would Trevino kno lazcano had and dealt with his own people and if he is alive hes outsmarted the majority of the people and has a bigger plan just my 2cents.

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  35. Someone said something about the lack of honest narcos and that is an absurd comment . Believe me when I tell you that from the top of the drug world to the very bottom there is no humanity in the drug business .

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  36. Lazcano's death is just the first episode of the new tele-narco-novela from Televisa S.A. de C. V. The stars of this novela are Angelica Rivera ( Ms EPN ) , Enrique Pena Nieto , Felipe Calderon and any Mexican who sold their vote to the PRI . In this sad tale of political intrigue , Rivera finds out that her husband EPN and don Felipe have joined together to steal the Mexican presidential election from Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador , whom the viewers will find out later is Ms. Rivera's real father . Lazcano just made a cameo as a favor to Televisa and to the show's sponsor Sopitas Maruchan makers of those tasty noodles favored by Zeta gunman .

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  37. On another site it shows him sitting on a zebra he must have just killed. Who freakin kills zebras? Oh I forgot anything that breathes was fair game to him.

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  38. I bet lazca felt like that zebra when he got double tapped in the ass by the marinas

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  39. Are you surprised?? They can't handle their shit down in Mexico and protect their own citizens, hell the narcos run everything, how do expect the officials to get something like this right? I am starting to feel sorry for all the Mixicans fleeing to America, too bad they have to bring the bullshit up here!!!

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  40. They have a better picture. Hes sitting on a zebra.

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  41. Enough with the conspiracy theories. It makes the site look foolish. There is plenty to talk about and report on without needing to fall into gossip and fairy tales.

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  42. there you go..watermarks and the first pic which i added lazcano. that is how you can tell if it came from here or elsewhere...

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  43. lazca is thinner, this is the double lasca that was on the autopsy table, it aint lazca. lazca would not be in a pic with this small rifle. EL LAZCA ESTA PROTEGIDO BY A BIG COMANDO DE ZETAS AND BIEN ENPECHERADO, ES JEFE DE LOS ZETAS...dont u understand!

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  44. Nice...but by now I'm pretty sure they got it...their quick to jack other peoples hard work. Thanx for all the good info doe..

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  45. This is freaky.....in this picture Lazcano looks like Ivan Milat.

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  46. First of all, if he didn't die, how would they keep the thousands of zeta members to be quite? One of them would have spilled the beans by now.

    Second, Lazca doesn't have to fake a death to disappear. All he has to do is collect his money and head down south. Zetas wouldn't go through all this trouble.

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  47. This is the same picture from mundonarco.. except mundonarco shows the whole background.. Lazca is kneeling on a zebra and there's a dodge pick up in the back.. the picture on mundonarco also has water marks.. Who's picture is this really?? Or where did it come from (originally)???

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  48. Two things that need to be pointed out about this picture of Lazca,

    First if PETA finds out, the Gulf cartel and Sinaloa cartel are going to look like a walk in the park for them.

    Second what type of human beings kill a "burro" like that, and by "burro" I don't mean the Zebra. Lazca must of felt like that Zebra at the end with the same result as a shitty trophy, just for the Zebra.

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  49. so a spectator called the military on the phone and they showed up? things must work differently in Mexico

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  50. thaks BB for the updates on the narco-war,it seems too me the tide is turning to favour the peoples of mexico,i cheerlead gotta be honest with that but the rate in which capo's and foot soldiers are gettin picked off in the last year is astounding.
    Soon i hope i wont be able too cheerlead....and that is a good thing....i finally feel like there is something getting done in Mexico.
    Up until a few weeks ago i thought the only way too bring the violence down was to make a peace deal with the cartels and give each a cut of the pie, but i honestly think now the cartels are losing power as an example CDG, if they had all the local authority's paid off why have they had so many Capo's caught?
    And CJNG too they have had some heavy hits,Zetas have just lost Lazcano....like this aura of power these Cartels have seems too be diminishing as the weeks pass by.
    Does anyone else see this happening or is it just me wishing too hard.

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  51. How come if the marines fired upon him his head didnt get blown too bits,cause those rifles dont leave pin prick holes behind,his face should of been completely blown wide open,and how come he aint got raccoon eyes?....he did get shot in the head didnt he?...marines are covering up something, either close range with a 9mm or....

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    1. .556 NATO actually rarely blows a head off that's what .762 does that's why we use it is a more "humane" round same reason military switched from the colt 1911 .45 to the 9mm more humane. It goes through instead of exploding flesh I say all rounds standant fragmentation and incendiary lmao if your shooting them they need to die painfully

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  52. Anonymous said...

    Enough with the conspiracy theories. It makes the site look foolish. There is plenty to talk about and report on without needing to fall into gossip and fairy tales.
    October 15, 2012 10:01 PM
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    You seem to be very shallow... Please go away, thanks.

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  53. Hate the man all you want but he pissed uranium. This guy is a bad ass. He lived the best of both worlds from the best of the best of the good guys to the worst of the worst of the bad guys. He's a man not matched by many others. Like I always tell my girl sometimes ni€£?! Gotta die lol and to top it all of he takes down an adolecant zebra like nothing with a long rifle and stands over it like a true boss he was. Endangered species my ass lol. He's probably had sex with more girls than a porn star I mean imagine the things girls did for him!! This guy could have been a mayor or governor if he wanted its so obvious what an epic individual he was it is unfortunate that his country left him little choice than to become a piece of shit. This man is pound for pound twice as interesting as Pablo or chapo. Think about it this guy is the chuck Norris of Mexico lol too bad he caused to much damage and had to go he could have gone so much good with one changed answer to a job from osiel

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  54. CHIVIS,

    I sent you my picture watermark program, check your email...-CHIVO

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  55. It's lazca. He put on weight which makes the ears not visible. That along with the angle of the photo is what makes you not see the ears. Take a picture of your face from one foot away then hold it up to yourself in the mirror. It'll be the same situation. Your ears won't be as visible.

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  56. on the wounds :
    "one in the right buttock,
    one on the left buttock"

    :-)))))))))))))

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  57. If that guy is not lasca who is the guy dead?where are his family?nobody Know that guy dead?

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  58. That picture makes all kind of sense.Lazcano was well known apparently for his love of hunting.
    There has been made mention of the call,informing the authorities concerned that maybe Lazcano was at that game?But i really don't buy these conspiracies that are starting to take shape,this makes all the sense in the world that he would go out like this.Ordinary,mundane,just a relaxed day watching children playing,and the authorities turn up.It could be argued that the authorities have known all along his general location,but this time they got a green light?What was he supposed to do?His biggest mistake was letting his crew waltz around showing their AKs and ARs at a family gathering,event.If he would have went as just another father,and left his arms in the truck even,i doubt any calls would have went out.He got caught out,and now come the conspiracies?

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  59. it aint lazcano, all of a sudden pictures of lazca start blowing up everywhere, hahahaa yeah right. He dont look like lazcano... DNA will proof everything.

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  60. Now I have my doubts too..if he was shot from a distance and by d military his brains would be splattered!! Simple physics!! No brainer..lol..unless they lied n he was shot with a grace shot to the head with a pistol..y don't they just come out n say that?? The more I look at it the more it looks like a dummy..and..WTF happened to the Ears??

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  61. Why would,or should any mantas be put up announcing Lazcanos death?Why would they put mantas up confirming what the authorities are saying?They will be pissed off about this,and they are not going to help and give some kudos to authorities for killing their mentor,far from it.
    I would be surprised if they did announce it,not to say they wouldn't,but i don't see the point in them helping anyone about Lazcano.Things will go on as before,they all know who is in charge,they still have their lives,and they are still in danger every minute just as Lazcano?Life go's on as we all know.
    Why would anyone announce his death?It is authority who killed him,the family,the Z,will not be cheering the government on right about now,far from it.So no mantas from the Z.

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  62. pinche putos ridiculous www-narcos, Lazca le chinga por el culito

    Atte. Cartel Los Zebra's

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  63. Attention B.B readers the picture of lazca posted on this article, has alot of similarities with the one that they have of Z40 brother in the horse races where el lazca is wearing a black leather jacket. Check it out I belive this is really him.

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  64. He looks like my brother in this pic...he has been missing for 2 weeks....jk he is working but they do look alike

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  65. For all of you saying its a a Tupac/carrillo/Elvis scenario.....it is. In the sense that, all of them are dead. Its funny how many times these suspicious deaths always stay disappeared. Notice how Tupac never turns up alive and well 20 years later? I imagine that we will never find Lazca, his plan to dissappear will go off without a hitch

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  66. ay si ay si el lazca esta muerto y pena nieto fue elegido legitimamente. Pinche gobierno nada mas ellos mismos se creen sus mentiras.

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  67. October 16, 2012 7:59 AM
    Anonymous said...

    it aint lazcano, all of a sudden pictures of lazca start blowing up everywhere, hahahaa yeah right. He dont look like lazcano... DNA will proof everything.
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    What... finger prints identifying it was Lazca and the USA knowing a top leader was killed is not good enough?? lol... the guy is dead!!!

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  68. "it aint lazca. lazca would not be in a pic with this small rifle"
    What are you trying to say?Lazca had a big one?

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  69. If these forensics work in Mexico, as soon as they give their names they will no more work in Mexico as forensics.

    DNA they say? You can have someone's DNA without him being dead. They will say that DNA of the corpse matches Lazcano's DNA. Who will be able to verify that?

    It's shameful how all kinds of derisions, speculations and claims are for some people of greater credibility than the multiple facts observable by anyone which prove that the corpse isn't of Heriberto Lazcano.

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  70. One less scum bag in this world. Rest in p.i.s.s, "good" thing that they shot you execution style

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  71. The face of pure EVIL

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  72. Chvio..
    Thank you, I did rec it. I will have more time on weekend to check it out. I appreciate the effort..I got the hand of my program but I am interested in yours. I will let you know.

    TO ALL: I am swamped today, not much time so coments will be delayed. Alos i have the other article i will post about the DEA saying Zetas are the ones putting out the false information that lazca is dead....

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  73. Federal Ammunition manufactures a frangible round in 5.56mm that will not exit the bran cavity at short range engagements. It whats for breakfast Lazcono.

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  74. One thing about this life. There is no getting out. No retirement plan at all. Unless you get killed get arrested or turn informant. Your in for life and if u want out your dead. Your own people will turn on you and consider you weak. If there were retirement plans i bet most would jump at the chance. Before they were called cartels they were know as the Mafia. And All mafias always have rules and regulations. Even thoe most have gone out the window. The one think they still fallow and will always fallow is Blood in blood out. As far as him being dead ONLY they know. And retirement?? I doubt it.

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    1. Totally not true man just because all you hear about is the ones on the radar does not mean you can't get in and out I mean they barely caught on to M-1 in 2011 after a lifetime of mutdering and trafficking if he would have just been smarter with his money he would never have been known. Not many but some do retire very well

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  75. October 16, 2012 9:41 AM
    "horse races where el lazca is wearing a black leather jacket"
    It is not Lazcano in the horse race pictures.I cannot remember the name of the guy,but it was cleared up,he is part of the racing fraternity and his family are in it,trainers or something. Mexican-American i think?Bottom line it is not Lazcano,anyway look closely you can see it isn't him.

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  76. @October 15, 2012 8:42 PM THE BEST COMMENT ON BB EVER!

    This person should get an award. This comment is great!

    RIP - Rest In Pisss...hahaha I love it. It's a winner.

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  77. hunting for a zebra in mexico???? this aint verdugo. i seen other verdugo pictures and does not look nothing like this guy. verdugo owns his turf and does what he wants. a movie was made by verdugo with the help of the marina, doctors, etc, etc,etc. that fake lazcano on the autopsy table and in pictures is alive. even though it aint verdugo....

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  78. I do have some theory ... based on who really had the intention and abilities for staging his death? ... not much how was this done ... with some effort anything we know and seen could be staged pretty easily since there is no REAL body for confirmation. Anything we see on pictures or hear in official (pretty often changed) information may be fake.

    So was Lazca himself staging his death for the reason of finding an easy retirement? In this case why not go out silently ... the answer is he would be hunted down as long as he was alive which makes the staged death convenient. Z40 could be involved but might not as well. The number of people from Z who really know the truth may be counted on fingers from one hand ... however this looks weak ... I do not believe this personally.

    Was this Mexican government ... like Calderon or someone from the future?... the question is how is Lazca more valuable for them as a fake dead than as a captured or as a real dead? The answer would be that some people have strong ties to Lazca so someone need to know what is going on behind the scene ... in this case if they captured Lazca alive he will not make it alive after they got what they want ... but is anyone in Mexico really interested who have the narco ties ... well ... why now, why not before elections ... which makes the 'elections' somewhat an explanation .... but maybe the question is which elections?

    So the other theory which might make some sense is that US was involvement 'unofficially' in his capture. The rumor is that Lazca was in Guatemala for some time, incidentally US send around 200 marines to 'help' over there ... have you ever seen US government sending military if they have no personal interest ... it means Lazca could have something very valuable for US government and they been looking for him personally, he came back not because of the whole Z40/Taliban mess but because of the pressure he felt in Guatemala. Beside that recent incidents with CIA agents ambushed by someone ... that might by some behind the scene war between CIA and Lazca himself. Finally ... how would US know identity of 'dead Lazca' and have his DNA before the mexican government? ... that makes only sense if some US group was involved .... it means they received his DNA for confirmation from Marinas first as the organizers of the whole staged death. If that is true why would they do that ... maybe presidential elections, maybe they are looking for some dirty news to get someone down?

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  79. October 16, 2012 4:48 AM
    "Like I always tell my girl sometimes ni€£?! Gotta die lol and to top it all of he takes down an adolecant zebra like nothing with a long rifle and stands over it like a true boss he was. Endangered species my ass lol. He's probably had sex with more girls than a porn star I mean imagine the things girls did for him"

    Imagine what you would have done for Lazca ?

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    1. I am not loyal to Lazca I stay and will always stay loyal to Enrique Caldera Reyes aka Bala De Plata. Sólo respeto a un hombre que permite nada o nadie consigue en su camino de éxito. Viva el pueblo de CDC. muerte a los habladores y la aplicación de la ley
      El 22

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  80. Is Lazca the one with the stripes?Cause that does not look like the guy on the morgue table?

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  81. "pinche putos ridiculous www-narcos, Lazca le chinga por el culito

    Atte. Cartel Los Zebra's"
    Fuckin tellin ye hermano,can i join.Fuckin Lazca just murked my bro,he was only eatin some grass and boom.
    mierda Lazca.

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  82. Viva Los Zetas Viva Z3 Viva Z40.

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  83. Anonymous experts need to be ignored.

    WTF? The nose and ears are an exact match

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  84. it seems to me that he is dead but it was staged and alot of shit was planned out i read somewhere that someone heard he was suppasbly killed by moreira possibly that would explain the bullet in back of head but we cant forget how bad ass our govrnment is maybe we had a guy move up the ranks and become the bodyguard that ran and still hasnt been found!!!! maybe he called it in hey were here at baseball field waiting for moreira and bam at of knowere he gets ambushed wtev it was its interesting

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  85. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit weak attempt to create confusion and live off the news of his death. He's in a ditch stinking right now.

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  86. In the autopsy photo they said he took two head shots to the head with a high power ruffle but yet in the picture he has no raccoon eye that proofs that's true . in most head shots its obvious raccoon eyes at post pordom

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  87. @2:30pm does that include innocents too?

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  88. also maybe our govt are the ones who broke into morge and took it!!!!!!!!!!

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  89. 12:45 AM
    "always stay loyal to Enrique Caldera Reyes aka Bala De Plata"He is my man,and no-one touch him,or i will scratch your eyes out,and reconfigure your asses.
    Atte El 22=Grandes Bolas

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  90. Why not show the whole picture? On another blog, he's sitting on a zebra next to a dead family that he just shot. They symbolize the tens of thousands of victims that have been killed so that he can grab a fist full of dollars. What a POS he is! Satan can't wait to bugger him from behind, for eternity.

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  91. Lazca was killed by the CIA and US special operations contractors for working with the Gulf Cartel. If we train you, we teach you everything you know, not everything we know. Nobody trains with the Mossad and USASOC, walks off the job, and lives very long. Lazca had beat the odds longer than most, but time ran out for him. He was killed with a head shot from a .223 sub sonic bullet that is designed not to exit the brain cavity. Shot by a two man team with a Mk12 Mod01 sniper rifle at an upward angle from a prone position while he was running for his life. His body guard is still running. He and his family were under surveillance, the cell just waiting for the right time to smoke him. We took his carcass collected DNA to positively ID him, and dumped his body in the Gulf of Mexico just like we did Bin Laden. Watch as more and more Capos die under mysterious circumstances as the US takes over the Drug War in Mexico. Adios Puta.

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  92. sounds about right 4:32am!

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