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Friday, May 25, 2012

Mexico's Zetas cartel rewrites drug war in blood

Drug-related violence has claimed about 55,000 lives in the past five years, including more than 3,000 police officers and soldiers.

Mexican government forces had bottled up a band of enemy fighters in this tiny village late last year, but feared they would escape into the dusty, rock-strewn hills. So more than 600 soldiers and federal police closed in from all directions with armored Humvees and helicopters.

The outlaws responded with a barrage of rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 assault-rifle fire, tearing apart one federal police vehicle. For three days the fighting raged.

In the end, according to military accounts of the battle, 22 members of the Zetas drug cartel, two police officers and a soldier were dead, and 20 Zetas were in custody. Dozens more escaped to fight another day.

The battle could have been a scene from the war in Afghanistan, but it erupted just 45 miles south of the Texas border. It was only one of dozens like it in northeastern Mexico in recent months as soldiers, marines and police have engaged in a deadly cat-and-mouse game with roaming Zetas hit squads.

Formed in 1998 by 14 former Mexican soldiers, the Zetas have grown to command more than 10,000 gunmen from the Rio Grande, on the border with Texas, to deep into Central America. Their rapid expansion has displaced Mexico's older cartels in many areas, giving them a dominant position in the multi-billion-dollar cross-border drug trade, as well as extortion, kidnapping and other criminal businesses.
But it is bloodshed that has made the Zetas notorious. And feared.
Zetas killers have been arrested for some of the worst atrocities in Mexico's drug war, including the murders of hundreds of people whose bodies have been found in mass graves with alarming frequency, the massacre of 72 foreign migrant workers headed to the United States, and the burning of a casino that claimed 52 lives.
On Sunday, Mexican soldiers said they had arrested Daniel Elizondo, a Zetas leader known as "The Madman," as the alleged perpetrator of the massacre of 49 people whose corpses were decapitated, dismembered and dumped on a highway a week earlier. In the last month, the Zetas have also been linked to the decapitation of 18 people near Guadalajara and the hanging of nine in the border city of Nuevo Laredo. In those two cases, messages left at the scenes, signed by the Zetas, said the victims were rival traffickers.
Mexican and U.S. agents say the Zetas' paramilitary tactics — based on small, roaming cells of armed operatives — and indiscriminate violence are the driving forces behind a recent escalation in Mexico's drug war. That conflict, between government forces and the cartels and among the cartels themselves, has claimed about 55,000 lives in the past five years, including more than 3,000 police officers and soldiers.
'Like urban guerillas' The Zetas pose a bigger challenge to the government than older cartels because of the intensity of their attacks against security forces, their disregard for civilian life and the murderous habits that break the unspoken codes of older traffickers. The brutality has made their heartland in northeastern Mexico a no-go area for many businessmen and tourists.
Mexican police officers and soldiers on the front lines say the Zetas have more in common with insurgents than traditional gangs. "The Zetas act like urban guerrillas," said Florencio Santos, a former soldier and now police chief in Guadalupe, a town on the southern outskirts of Monterrey. "They'll make a phone call to get the police out, then block the street in front of the patrol cars and open fire from the front and the side."
Drug agents say the goals of the Zetas also differ from Mexico's traditional smuggling families. While older cartels focused on trafficking routes and drug-producing areas, the Zetas move into any town or city where they can to carry out shakedowns and other crimes.
"The Zetas have created a new model of organized crime and unleashed new levels of violence to try and unseat the older cartels," said Mike Vigil, the former head of international operations for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. "This has destabilized many areas of Mexico."
A report by Mexico's organized crime unit, SIEDO, found that the Zetas now control more territory than the nation's oldest and wealthiest trafficking organization, the Sinaloa Cartel, led by Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman. The report, leaked in January, says that while the Sinaloans operate in 16 of Mexico's 32 federal entities, the Zetas are in 17.
They are creeping into the United States, too. A grand jury in Laredo, Texas, in April indicted four alleged Zetas for conspiracy to murder and traffic drugs on U.S. soil. The charges follow another Laredo trial in January in which two alleged Zetas were found guilty on weapons and homicide charges.
Zetas gunmen are alleged by Mexican prosecutors to be behind the killing of U.S. customs agent Jaime Zapata in Mexico in 2011, the first American agent to be murdered on duty here since the 1980s. The U.S. government is offering a $5 million reward for the capture of the Zetas supreme commander, 37-year-old Heriberto Lazcano, alias "The Executioner."
The United States is offering a $5 million reward for the capture of Heriberto "The Executioner" Lazcano, head of the Zetas.
War zone

The Zetas stronghold in northeastern Mexico, across the border from Texas, has become Mexico's most violent region. In Nuevo Leon state, home to the rich industrial city Monterrey and villages such as Vallecillo, there were more than 685 drug-related killings by mid-May, according to media tallies. This put it ahead of even Chihuahua state, with 560 gangland slayings and home to Mexico's previous murder capital, Ciudad Juarez, dominated by the Juarez Cartel.
Nuevo Leon can seem like a state under siege. Zetas graffiti mark the group's territory. Many local residents, aware that gang hit men regularly murder people accused of snitching, are too scared to help the police. Police and soldiers in Nuevo Leon say they move only in convoys of at least 30 troops because of the threat of Zetas ambushes, a precaution not needed in most of the rest of the country.
Guadalupe police chief Santos survived an ambush in September because the bullets didn't pierce his armored vehicle. "It was a terrifying moment," Santos said. "I thought the bullets might get through, but the vehicle held until reinforcements came."

Some of his fellow policemen weren't so lucky. Last year the Zetas murdered 13 of Guadalupe's 300 street officers and destroyed 48 patrol cars through such attacks. Santos and most of his officers now sleep inside a barracks for protection.
The Zetas are aided by an effective network of spies. These hawks, as they are called, are typically teenagers or young men and women paid about $600 a month, Guadalupe police say. In a country with a minimum wage of about $5 a day, that money can buy a lot of support.

When a Reuters reporter accompanied police in Guadalupe on a recent patrol, officers listened to a radio frequency used by the gangsters. Zetas hawks could be heard warning their cohorts about the convoy of police vehicles moving into a slum on the edge of Monterrey.
Santos, the police chief, said he fought Zapatista guerrillas when they took up arms in the southern state of Chiapas in 1994 to fight for the rights of indigenous people. The Zetas, he says, are a far deadlier foe. "The Zetas have much better training and better armaments than the Zapatistas did."

Public recruiting 
The Zetas' supreme leader, Lazcano, was born in 1974 in the village of Acatlan in Hidalgo state, the local birth registry shows. This community of cattle farms and corn plots more than 600 miles from the Mexico-U.S. border provides its youth with few opportunities. Many young men head north to enter the U.S. illegally, or they join the armed forces.
As a child, Lazcano moved with his family to the nearby city of Pachuca, settling in the working-class barrio of Tezontle, police say. The clutch of dusty streets and unpainted cinder-block houses lies next to a military base, where records show Lazcano enlisted with the Mexican army at age 17 to become an infantryman.
He was following in the footsteps of the founding Zetas, many of whom also came from central and southern Mexico and served in military divisions -- infantry, motorized cavalry, special forces -- whose regulars often received training from the U.S.
A 2009 U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks shows that at least one Zeta, former infantry lieutenant Rogelio Lopez, trained at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. Declassified U.S. training manuals used for Latin American officers include sections on combat intelligence and use of informants, both strong points of the Zetas.
Lazcano deserted from the infantry in 1998 to join the Zetas, then led by former paratrooper Arturo Guzman Decena. At the time the Zetas were still devoted to their original mission: acting as debt collectors and killers for the Gulf Cartel, a dominant gang, moving hundreds of tons of cocaine, marijuana and heroin into Texas.
The enforcers adopted the name Zeta -- the letter Z in Spanish -- from a radio signal Guzman had used as a paratrooper. Guzman baptized himself Z-1, and Lazcano became Z-3.
A few months later, after Mexican soldiers shot dead both Z-1 and his second in command, Lazcano took control of the Zetas at age 28 and began the group's rapid expansion. They spread the word on the streets, and even advertised on blankets hung from bridges: "The Zeta operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier," one said. "We offer a good salary, food and attention for your family. Don't suffer hunger and abuse anymore."
They recruited poor youths, former soldiers, members of other gangs and even foreign mercenaries, including former members of the Kaibil special forces in Guatemala's army, according to the Guatemalan security ministry. The Kaibiles were widely accused of atrocities in that nation's civil war.
As the Zetas grew, so did their ambitions, causing tension with the Gulf Cartel bosses. The first cracks in the alliance appeared in 2007, when Gulf Cartel leaders made a peace deal with the Sinaloa Cartel, a move the Zetas saw as a sellout, according to testimony from Zeta founding member Jesus Rejon, or Z-7, after he was arrested in 2011.
In 2010, tensions boiled over into open warfare as Zetas began attacking Gulf operatives wherever they found them and claiming the turf for themselves. The Gulf Cartel allied with their old Sinaloan rivals to fight back, engulfing the region in violence.
It is impossible to know the Zetas' share of the U.S. narcotics market, which is estimated by the United Nations to be worth a total of about $60 billion annually.
But it's clear that the Zetas' stronghold in northeastern Mexico includes some of the most sought-after trafficking routes into the United States. More than 8,500 trucks cross daily into Texas from the border city of Nuevo Laredo, twice the number crossing from either Tijuana or Ciudad Juarez.
To warehouse and move these drugs, the Zetas have set up cells in Laredo, Dallas and Houston, a U.S. federal court heard this January when it convicted two members of such a cell on homicide, racketeering and weapons charges. Evidence from wiretaps and witnesses show that the cells also move guns bought in U.S. stores and cash into Mexico. U.S. federal prosecutors in Texas say Zetas gunmen have carried out at least eight murders on U.S. soil to date.
The Zetas have also made billions of dollars by diversifying into extortion, kidnapping, product piracy and even theft of crude oil from the pipelines of Mexico's state-owned oil monopoly, Pemex, U.S. agents say. In a recent report, Pemex said it had lost 11.7 million barrels of oil to theft in 2010 and 2011, citing the Zetas as the main culprit.
This diversification breaks with the habits of older cartels, which have focused on drugs. And as the Zetas have made money with their portfolio of crimes, copycat gangs have sprung up with names such as "The Hands With Eyes."
In Guadalupe, police chief Santos said the Zetas receive protection payments, known as "quotas," from taxi operators, restaurants and other local businesses. "Most people pay up because they are so scared of what the Zetas will do," Santos said.
During the recent patrol, police were called to the scene of a shooting, finding a car dealership riddled with bullet holes, in what Santos said was a reminder over these payments.
When the Zetas burned down a Monterrey casino in broad daylight in August, the alleged reason was an extortion payment, according to federal prosecutors who have filed charges against alleged Zetas arrested for the crime.
The desire for shakedown money has fueled the spread of the Zetas across Mexico, investigators say. "What they want to do is control territory and physical space, where they can simply co-opt other businesses and collect tax," said Steven Dudley of the Washington-based research group Insight Crime. "That model is easily replicated."
'Anonymous warriors ... proudly Mexican' Agents say that as the Zetas have expanded, they have filled their ranks with unruly thugs who can be hard to control. "These new players ... are doing things that might not be sanctioned by the leadership. ... The outrageous behavior has made them the big target of the government," said a senior U.S. law enforcement official working in Mexico, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Such wild elements may have been behind the May 13 atrocity that made headlines around the world. Early that morning, 49 corpses with their heads, hands and feet cut off were left on a highway east of Monterrey. A note signed with the Zetas name was found amidst the carnage. However, messages released in the following days denied the Zetas had ordered the massacre.
Investigators say Elizondo, arrested a week later as the alleged mastermind of the massacre, may have disobeyed top leaders in carrying it out. None of the victims have been identified. Police said they could have been foreign migrants traveling through Mexico to the United States. The Zetas often kidnap migrants for ransom and murder those who don't pay.
Zetas assassins have been effective in fighting rivals. In the last year, the Zetas have pushed the Gulf Cartel out of much of its historic turf along the South Texas border and challenged the Sinaloa Cartel close to their homeland in the Pacific. In a single ambush in the Pacific state of Nayarit in 2011, Zetas slaughtered 29 alleged Sinaloa Cartel operatives when the Zetas attacked with mounted machine guns and grenades.
Even more brutally, Zetas prisoners in February stabbed and bludgeoned to death 44 alleged Gulf Cartel inmates in a jail on the edge of Monterrey. After the attack, which officials say involved the help of corrupt guards, 35 Zetas prisoners escaped.
Several other major cartels have formed an alliance to hit back against the Zetas with their own paramilitary units, U.S. agents said in testimony at a congressional hearing in October evaluating Mexico's drug war. At the forefront of the fight back is a shady group calling itself the "Zetas killers," believed to be funded by rival cartels. Gunmen from this group dropped 35 corpses of suspected Zetas on a highway in Veracruz state in September.
In a video released after the incident, men in ski masks claimed they were going after the Zetas because of the harm their extortion and kidnapping rackets inflicted on communities. "We want the armed forces to trust us that our only goal is to finish off the Zetas," a man in a ski mask says on the video. "We're anonymous warriors, faceless, but proudly Mexican."
Since President Felipe Calderon took power in 2006 and sent 50,000 soldiers after the drug cartels, Mexican and U.S. agents have worked together to root out top drug traffickers.
The most spectacular takedowns include Arturo Beltran Leyva, a breakaway boss of the Sinaloa Cartel, who was shot dead by Mexican marines in 2009, and La Familia boss Nazario Moreno, whom police killed in 2010.
Lazcano and his top deputies have proved to be more elusive, thanks to their military-style organization. "They've got an advance guard, they've got a main body, they've got a rear guard," the U.S. official said. "They do forward reconnaissance almost like you would see if you were moving a dignitary around."
Zetas leaders also escape detection by using encrypted radio and Skype instead of telephones, the U.S. official said. Agents say leaders of the group's small operating cells are moved every few months to avoid detection.
Mexican soldiers say they came close to nabbing Lazcano in a house on the outskirts of Monterrey in 2009, but that after scouts warned him of the raid, he escaped the neighborhood in a bulletproof Jeep Cherokee.
With Lazcano still at large, the Zetas will pose a challenge for the next Mexican president. Calderon is barred by law from seeking re-election in the July polls. The current front-runner, Enrique Pena Nieto of the opposition Institutional Revolutionary Party, has pledged to create and deploy a new police force against the gangs and gradually put army troops back in barracks, a promise popular with many voters who are tired of the relentless drug war.
Zetas hit squads could make that difficult. A message signed by the Zetas and hung from a bridge in Monterrey in February took aim at the Mexican government. "Even with the support of the United States, they cannot stop us, because here the Zetas rule," it said. "The government must make a pact with us because if not we will have to overthrow it and take power by force.

Special Note from Ovemex: A reader emailed recently me this very interesting link: Declassified Army and CIA Manuals Used in Latin America: An Analysis of Their Content


  1. well written informative keep up the great work

  2. Regardless of leadership, who are these idiots that join their ranks? Mexicans would rather be cool and tough rather than smart and educated. This shit will never end unless Big Daddy USA gets involved.

    1. The Mexicans I know ARE smart and very well educated.
      It's the ones that see no other way out of poverty are the ones joining. And the ones that feel helpless or are threatened....Lord I can't even imagine having my family matter what they do, it's like signing their death warrant.

      My heart breaks for the people of Mexico terrorized by these cartels

  3. lately they been losing the battle with sinaloa and gulf cartels in nuevo laredo and Victoria.

  4. Sinaloa wipes out Zetas, PRI takes over, Sinaloa polices the underworld with help of PRI and locals, American white trash (democrats) get their drugs, all is well,Life is good in Mexico.

    1. The question is,where do you fall in this picture??

  5. May 25, 2012 6:01 PM,
    OK Couch Commando, how will the U.S. occupation look like? and will you go or will you send the neighbors kids in for you?

  6. They almost loose Nuevo Laredo. And a lot more city's

  7. Zetas like cockroaches are hard to kill. There are too many. Most likely they will regress to a less violent style but after a big war. A lot of you miss on a big point being that a lot of the higher ranking Zeta members are not mexican they are south americans who have a deep rooted hatred twords mexicans (hence the merciless violence). CDS uses money and strategy Zetas use brute force. My money is on CDS allied with mexican military and US reconnaissance.
    Much love. Tairy Hesticles

  8. its so funny that they cant catch Lazcano i mean the guy really don't have much places he can hide he has way to many enemies

    1. With what he knows, it's easier
      To get away
      Then you think. But if you keep playing with fire EVENTUALLY you WILL get burned.

  9. I hate the z but this, is also tru bout el chapo setti.g on fire almost ever plaza n mexico... Go after em both wtf

  10. I know where Lazcano is. Starts with "M" and ends in "exico". I'm sure they have an idea what house he is in, and I'm sure he is being helped by some agency he bought out. So officially, they cold arrest him (as well as others) if people where honest and didn't take bribes! Being Mexican can't be an excuse forever!

    1. Your so not clever with your writing. Lol

  11. The Zetas have too many politicians, police and military on the payroll to ever lose this one. They could be exterminated but it never seems to happen. Why? Dinero.

  12. @5:36......hey go f**k yourself buddy. I am Mexican and hold 2 degrees, and my wife (also Mexican) is a DDM. Can you say the same? guess is no. Even if "daddy" as you called it got involved I am willing to bet your ass would not!......chicken hawk!

    Oh yeah, and by the way I also served in the USMC.3RD AABN 1st MARDIV.OIF1 and 2.

    1. Then why don't you put some of that intelligence to work and Use your military experience to start a movement to take on these animals? Oh yea, you have a big mouth too!

    2. You go bro!
      (hail from the USA)
      Be proud of who you are without being down others. Well done. Seriously.

  13. Can someone fill me in what's happening con Gerrero Coahuila

    1. Guerrero uffff . Not a safe place at all! First of all, the cops there are always druged up and drunk, second the alcalde or mayor or president whatever that guy is and the cops do anything they can to help the Cetas. Third el Pollo is the chief or comandante de los Cetas and that is his hometown and his the one killing and disappearing all the ppl of his own town. Fourth there is a guy know as the Z 42 that is some where in the Guerrero area along with lots of other big ranking ppl that now live in Guerrero, so when u go to Guerrero u cant even walk in peace or have ur little ones riding a bike because the stupid Cetas are always all druged up and hauling ass all over town. That's. Just alittle about them , there's still allot I could tell u about Guerrero but I would need more time and space.

  14. @8:32 It's not like there's 112,000,000+ people in Mexico or anything! Its not like the Zs leaders don't move around in an effort to avoid being caught. but I'm not using those as excuses. I would like to know what your excuse is for being a bigot though

  15. they were surrounded but yet dozens escaped? hmmmmm

    1. Lol I was thinking the same...hmmmm


  16. It's saying "el mayo" has escaped between Durango & Sinaloa this is typical corruption in
    Mexico all the good hard work of the soldiers & marines is constantly being undone by so called " Mexicans" when are people going to realise that drug dealers are shit whatever cartel they're from!

  17. Mexicos corruption makes the city of chicago look like candyland....and they want to be pointing the finger at someone else(usa)....just a question to the mexican many ivy league universities in mexico? Lol

  18. I read BB to get info on what's going on because most of this stuff never makes the paper/night news.

    What I DON'T COME HERE TO READ are the insults directed at Mexicans. Have any of the people hurling insults ever visited Mexico? Doubt it. Mexicans are some of the most gracious, kind, giving, smart (u don't need an ivy league education to be smart) people I know!

    People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! The USA isn't perfect, agreed? It's like a freaking pissing contest! go play on Borderland beat Canada lol

  19. Good summary of the situation, but not much new news in the article itself. What was startling was the attachment of the analysis of the material in the Army and CIA training manuals for Latin America. From most if not all of the comments above, I think the anonymous commentators don't have an attention span to be able to read more than a couple of paragraphs of a story. If they had read the analysis of the training manuals used in Latin America, they might have to reconsider their mental image of themselves and the US as a knight in shining armor riding a big white horse to the rescue. Reading that analysis literally made me sick to my stomach.

  20. @11:59 i'm going to say 0 ivy league universities in mex since ivy league schools refer to only the 8 in the US.
    good trick question lol

  21. Lazcano, Chapo, why don't you get some balls and start taking shit in the US. You run over these ######### no problems. They have nice uniform and pretty guns but not the balls.

  22. To stop the drug wars in Mexico is not as difficult as it appears. The Mexican government is going about it the wrong way. Below is my step by stop plan to end this drug war.

    1. Mexico is in a major war when people shoot everyone, police, innocent people, etc with little penalties imposed, if they are ever caught. Introduce the death penalty immediately for murder, drug trafficking, rape, kidnapping, being a member of a cartel, scirios, halcones, corrupt police, judges, politicians and government officials.

    2. If a group of cartel people drove into a town of say 25-50,000 people in Canada or USA and pulled this shit the local people, who have handguns, rifles, shotguns legally would form a militia and shoot their butts off. Mexico could do the same and have a small contingent of soldiers in these towns for training, communications, etc. So Mexico, arm your locals like we here in Canada and the USA would do wonders for the safety of your towns and would cause the cartels some concern to come into a town where there are 2,000 citizens armed and read to shoot their asses off.

    3. Tighten up on your more girlfriends, wives, kids going in for weekly sex, booze and food. Make sentences longer and make prisoners work for benefits, parole, etc.

    4 Start using drones like the USA does in Pakistan and start taking out their leaders by monitoring their communications, etc. You
    gotta make the leaders think the next time they talk on a telephone a hellfire missile will blow the hell out of them....this makes it hard for them to communicate.

    5. Start a major recruitment of informants to be paid highly and re-located when their work is completed. You may be able to work out some arrangements with Canada and the USA to take these people as citizens after their work is complete.

    6. Hire 60,000 more soldiers, marines, special forces and pay them well with proper housing, education, health care for themselves and their families. Also pay all your policemen, local, state and federal decent wages so they can support their families. The cost would be alot but less than the cost this war in causing the Mexico economy.

    7. Contrary to some of the comments on this site, the USA is just as committed to stopping this drug supply to the USA. It is not helping he economy or social structure of the USA to have millions of speed freaks, crack heads screwing up their country. More co-operation if required at the local level. I feel deep down most Canadians and Americans have a strong likeness for the Mexico and their people and feel deeply sorry for what is happening in your beautiful country.

    1. What you wrote makes sense but it's simply not that easy. When the president took office he did increase military and fed police salaries. The cartels have more money to offer and the threat of violence and murder if you don't respond the way they want you to. (kids in the US have 2 paths also, they can go to school and follow the right path. Or they can join gangs, sell drugs and aspire for the life glorified in rap videos. I have a war going on in my own city- new Orleans. It so sad)

      Zs use Skype and encrypted radio. They are military trained, even trained in the US. Eradicating them isn't as easy as 1,2,3

      Hey whatever happened to the Zetas killers group

  23. I find it interesting that the U.S. trained the Zetas portion often gets overlooked and Zetas are not primarily drug dealers. they are shake down based and the guns used in the border agents killing was supplied by the CIA.

    1. Lots of army officers and enlisted soldiers from many other countries have trained at Ft. Bragg. Not only Mexican Army. I know because I served with the White Falcons for many years and made many parachute jumps with other countries paratroopers.

  24. I really don't think Mexicans should be so quick to dismiss how many Americans are honestly torn apart by what is going on the border area and other select areas in Mexico. I'm wishing we could put differences aside and help solve the drug war dilemma. The mexican people should not have to slowly watch their country deteriorate like they've slide into a nightmare and can't get out.

  25. The Zetas are a dynamic organization based on the superior skills of its leadership. Few of those leaders are left. When Lazca and the other elite Zetas go, then they may fracture and dissolve.

    1. The only real Zeta left is Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano aka El verdugo (The Executioner) The other ones are only zeta wannabes.

  26. Fuck los zetas everysingle 1 me la pela hijos d su puta madre al mayo y al chapo se la pelam ya vieron que se les pelo el mayo haha arriba el cartel de sinaloa hijos d su puta madre

  27. @ May 26, 2012 9:27 AM

    "I find it interesting that the U.S. trained the Zetas portion often gets overlooked..."

    Often gets overlooked? OTEN gets overlooked???

    Nah dude. That angle has and continues to be beaten to death. Some Mexicans were trained while they were part of a legitimate group. Said Mexicans didn't have the valor to keep away from the dark side and started the core of the Zetas so many years ago. Now we see skinny 14 year old marachanezz killers and the newspaper story adds in the mandatory "and the Zetas were originally trained by the Americans" tagline.

    People need to quit drifting away on tangents and focus on the proximate causes....Mexicans abusing and killing other Mexicans in Mexico while various Mexicans entrusted with responsibilities to their citizens are either inept or involved.

  28. Fuck the sorry vicious horrendous Sinaloa Cartel that caused 95% of the hell Mexico has experienced for the past 6 years. Fuck Cartel Calderon with all his elite cronies that are raping Mexico of everything all the way to it's soul. More power to the Z, I hope they take all the Sinaloa leadership down and I wouldn't care if the skinned Calderon alive in public. For the most part, they were just one group of the poor not entitled of Mexico deciding they deserved to exploit just like the rich intact cartels. Just a bunch of poor men that decided to stand up and fight rather then walk hungry, poor and with their heads down in shame. I at the point, hope Z gets strong and flips it all. Chapo is far worse the Lasca,

    And for all the US War Mongers, I don't know why y'all keep thinking the US military could bust a grape in Mexico. Hell, we haven't won a war since WWII. Damn, it took us 10 years to find Osama. These guys in Mexico have political support, unlimited money and weapons, and plenty to fight for. Face it, we aren't that good at war. We just break the middle classes back with the cost of war and never win. We don't know how to fight or close a war. Fact !!!!!

    Drugs are by far the biggest thing Mexico has going. Oil is the only thing supposedly bigger and the Mexican Government hold all parts of the royalties. So do you really think they want it to stop? No. Neither does the US. Wake up !!!!!

    When someone knocks "Chapo the Arrogant" off his pedestal Mexico will be a much better place and peace will come. They blame every bad act on the Z and Juarez Cartel when in almost every case, it is really CDG and CDS that does it yet the public believe the media and government propaganda.

    1. You are a supreme idiot! Z should come out on top huh? They are the scum of not only Mexico but central America entirely! They extort, kidnap and murder inocent families and have no code of ethics, they are a cancer that has to be eradicated by the Marina or CDS. Enough is enough no more quotas, no more kidnappings, and no more murders of inocent civilians! And no Americans its not that we Mexicans want to let the CDS do as they wish but let's be real even the US has never been able to rid the country of a underground criminal organization, and they will always be bad guys in the world its just that it so happens the boiling point of the war against cartels in Mexico happens to be right now like in the 30-40's it was in the US.

    2. U stupid idiot!!!...You're talking all this smack,and you live in the US...come down to Mexico and ask people in the small towns or ranches,if they want the zetas around.So if you're not from overhere,then just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!


  29. "What I DON'T COME HERE TO READ are the insults directed at Mexicans"
    Oh,please with your pussy bullshit."Insults"?They are opinions,theorys,thoughts,rhetorical conversation,you fuckin clown.Is it because these thoughts come from other than Mexicans,that you consider them as insults?Are any of the things you say are insults,untrue?
    Fuck off with your PC bullshit.

  30. "Nah dude. That angle has and continues to be beaten to death"
    Here are some true words.This is the anti US angle again.So what,if any were trained by the US?The US were trying to give them expertise,and they threw it in the US and Mexicos face.

  31. I was thinking alike. Its seems like their fighting for leadership for Mex. If the Z takeovers, then more laws are going to be created. They use barbaric acts to intimidate all, so when they come into power, nobody is going disobey. Look at china and other countries, they managed to put down or incarcerate offenders, and its harsh. But its the only way to keep the society evolving without any mess ups. Like George H. Bush said,"NEW WORLD ORDER."

  32. @May 26, 2012 8:45 PM

    "Is it because these thoughts come from other than Mexicans,that you consider them as insults?Are any of the things you say are insults,untrue?"

    The best defense against slander is if what you're saying is actually true. Is it still an insult if the subject matter we talk about is harsh against Mexicans? Well, I think we can all agree that we're all talking about a pretty dire situation in Mexico and various individuals in Mexico need to be held accountable for their actions (or inaction).

  33. Heriberto "El Verdugo" Lazcano,is the key.
    You got to get rid of that motherfucker.This guy is a little out of the ordinary,he has taken this force from small beginnings to what it is now.No matter what anyone says,violence works like no other thing you can use.Take him out,and you may see a glimmer of hope to stop this shit,from the Z.

  34. May 27, 2012 7:03 AM .
    "a pretty dire situation in Mexico and various individuals in Mexico need to be held accountable for their actions (or inaction)"
    Exactly my point.There seems to be a genuine antagonism against the US and white opinion amongst Mexicans?If you voice an opinion on Mexico that is none to flattering,you may be called many things,even a racist.If these things are going on in any country of the world,the opinions would be similar,but,there is crazy nationalism involved in Mexico.


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