Tuesday, January 29, 2019

El Chapo Trial: If you blinked you may have missed the defense's case

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat with material from keegan hamilton

Prosecutors = 11 weeks, 56 witnessesThose defending a man fighting for his life? One hostile witness for less than 30 minutes


If you blinked, you may have missed the defense’s case in the El Chapo trial.  It is about enough for one to begin feeling a bit of sympathy for the Sinaloa capo.



Whereas the government was a song of overkill, the defense’s defense case was underwhelming at best, actually it was non-existent.  And it wasn’t that they didn’t have a bit of arsenal in their defense bag.  For me, it was a case of missed opportunities. 



Speechless.

I have sat on multiple criminal juries, just as I am sure some of you have.  Can you imagine what is in the minds of the jurors?  Keeping in mind, jurors only hear a portion of what is going on in court.  They must be very confused.

And they are not alone.
Defense  Case

FBI agent Paul Roberts took the stand.

He conducted a 2017 interview with Jorge Cifuentes, taking notes. Jorge is Alex’ brother and testified before Alex.

Defense Attorney Jeffery Lichtman zeroed in on ONE aspect from that interview.

The defense called only one witness.  And an antagonistic   witness at that, an FBI agent. 

In the notes taken by the agent, Jorge said that in 2010 he met with a US intelligent officer who had a USB stick loaded with evidence with respect to the Cifuentes-Villa/Sinaloa Cartel investigation.

Lichtman offers that Jorge tapped into that USB to present the story that prosecutors wanted to hear.

Agent Roberts said his notes showed that Jorge said he met with an Intelligence Officer. However, on cross, prosecutors raised questions about whether the FBI agent was certain Jorge said the officer was American.

Roberts was taking notes by hand through a translator.

The agent was not happy being there and surely did not want to help Chapo, this led to moments of argumentative banter between the agent and Lichtman.

This led to Judge Cogan interjecting; “Mr. Lichtman, he’s your witness.”  This evoked laughter from the jury.

And that is all she wrote folks.

Judge Cogan sent the jury home for the day.  Judge Cogan will conference with attorney for the remainder of the day.

The government will give its closing on Wednesday. The defense in Thursday.  Verdict watch could be as soon as Friday.


From the conference; Off limits in closing arguments by the defense:  Can’t claim that there is a conspiracy between El Mayo/U.S./Mexico


They can however that El Mayo benefitted from El Chapo’s notoriety


The defense better hit a home run in closing.  But don’t wait to exhale.

129 comments:

  1. I do feel sympathy. Everyone deserves a shot to tell their story. I would've been confused if I was a juror. :x Defense gave the impression that there was nothing to defend. Why? Where are the experts? What the fuck happened????? ;[

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    1. I bet the defense did this on purpose for the appeals process. They will claim that all the judges motions regarding who they could call to the stand and what they could talk about will be used to argue they didn't have a fair trial.

      These motions and rulings though could have been intentional by the prosecution and the judge knowing that even if his appeal works he will simply be retried, allowing the prosecution to prepare more for what the defense wanted to do.

      On a side note as an american. Though I believe Chapo is guilty I an not happy with how the judge restricted chapo's defense during the trial but i have no problem with how they restricted access to him before as he showed himself to be a danger to the fairness of the trial (influencing/intimidating jurors) and a danger of escape (it does matter if you think he couldn't have escaped, he may still have tried and in the process harmed people).

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    2. Yep..this is all set for a big appeals case. Im surprised the BB writers dont have more experience than this. Big capos never have good defense anyway. Look at the trials of the Cali cartel leaders..they had all the money in the world and barely put up a fight Miguel is doing 50 yrs and Gilberto life.

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    3. Just lock him up already..... THIS IS A MESSAGE FOR CHAPO...... “MAN UP CHAVALA....”

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    4. 1:22 u a real keyboard tuff guy aren't u. Rest a sure u are the one peeing in your pans if saw chapo in front of u by your self. Is never good to act tuff chavalita.

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    5. 1:22 oh yea, we'll get your message to him right away lol what kind of jackass are you??? How bout showing your face at his trial lol or tell it to some reporter... Another example of a useless comment

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    6. 4:09 but do you think he would be afraid if chapo were also by himself. If yes,please reply and tell us why.

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    7. 4:09, im not 1:22, but if Chapo was infront of me man to man, why would you be afraid. He aint no god. If he was with his men with guns then anyone would be afraid. Thats also being a punk, scared of a guy never, but scared of guns obviously! Your comment is a keyboard tuff boy! By saying man up, chapo did his crimes he was dumb he got caught now go die in a cell alone. What is tough about saying that?

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    8. 4:22 it aint about that is about that lame trying to sound tuff by calling chapo chavala. He will not say that to chapo or better yet to any one. You your self will not do it and u fkn know it so stop actin smart.

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  2. What the damn fuck? feeling a bit for the guy. these attorneys are the worse

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  3. Al final solamente quedaron todos los recuerdos. - Sol Prendido

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    1. Jesus gritando en voz alta, Sol. Usted eres muy poética hoy.

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  4. What's to be expected when government is pulling all the strings? Testimonies are biased and unfavorable against the accuser. Where highly classified information and information are being withheld by government.
    Its plain to see how Mayo's son Vincentillo literally had an agreement with US officials and was not honored by deniability.
    He was toast from the get go when in US custody.
    Everyone as a defendant has a right to a fair trial. Despite his role and complicity of the alleged crimes.

    Something's are and will be kept secret as to how due process really is applicable.

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    1. Of course they had a deal with the government, but they sure don’t know how the U.S. system works....... they don’t give you the upper hand, they rather use a deal to set you up..... chapo and friends were easy targets....... specially when they wanna make movies......... hahahahaha......

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    2. 1:29. If Chapo and friends were easy targets why was he able to build a multi billion dollar revenue organization and work practically unimpeded for 30-40 years? Is Mayo an easy target too?

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    3. 7:10 - very fair point! Lol

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  5. Chivis & Mica thank you. I have never served on a jury, but as someone who has been following the trial. These lawyers representing Chapo are terrible. The people for Chapo have 1 witness?

    AM READING THIS RIGHT? 1 WITNESS, 30 MINUTES?

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    1. creo que ese testigo es alfredo beltran. JAGL

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  6. What is there to defend? They just took the case to get paid. Lawyers are going back to their big houses with big payday. They cannot beat the case, take the easy money they’re smart

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    1. Smart?..with the effort these guys put forth in this trial,who in their right mind would hire them for a defense attn?

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  7. Only a dumass will think chapo has a chance
    Just saying...

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    1. Honestly the best response. I read some of these comments and envision hill billy rancheros with no education.

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    2. CDS groupies just think these drug dealing clowns are untouchable lol

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    3. But..O.J. walked. And I thought for sure that cockroach did it! He is still looking though...Even the Kardashian attorney almost fainted when they said Innocent!

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    4. People said the same thing in the U.S about Trump getting elected

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    5. Chapo is not O.J.

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  8. Theres nothing to defend. He's a washed up murdering drug dealer. Enjoy the rest of your life in prison Chapo. You earned it. Anyone looking up to this guy is part of a cultural problem. These guys are losers.

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    1. And who are you?

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    2. Dejen una cerveza a este cabron 1015

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    3. @12:50 who me?

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    4. let me guess your a winner ?

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    5. It is a cultural problem,anyway,what did we expect,fair and impartial?Chapo was fucked off Mexico now the US,but,he has it coming,he is guilty after all?

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  9. Me thinks Chapo is sacrificing himself for his son(s) and instructed his lawyers to let it go. Honestly, you think given who their client was the attorneys would purposely half ass the defense effort? How much they getting paid? How much is a life of looking over your shoulder worth? The government has a History of using Drug Lord's families as bait/leverage. They did it with Escobar.....

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    1. I agree. He's in his 60 and his family is set, all while coming from a poor country.

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  10. The attorneys get bribed by the feds but I have no sympathy fo chapo he started the wars that are going on right now with the help of the United states and mexican governments

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  11. Without money the cockroach lawyers are no longer your friend. El Rey

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  12. Chapo is guilty without any doubt. The murder and torture alone deserve MANY life sentences. Sure they can go thru the motions of a defense but really what is the point? Imagine bin Laden going to trial in the US. Same scenario. Even if a defense could miraculously get him off the judge wouldn't allow the verdict. And yes a judge can do that. The judge in the Dahmer case stated years after his retirement that would have dis-allowed a NG verdict. These cases are not like Casey Anthony or Michael Jackson where there is doubt due to lack of evidence.

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    1. there were no murder charges that is why no evidence was submitted only hearsay

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    2. Tell this lames whats up chivis. Quick to throw the first stone

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    3. CIA apologised and payed out 18 million USA dollars to osama bin laden family because he had no wrong doing in the 9/11 attacks

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    4. 3:54 tf u talkin bout?

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    5. All you need is to convince the jury with or without evidence.

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    6. Or maybe he had Some kind of deal with the government Mexican ..American hell how many governments didn't have a deal with Chapo is the real question maybe thers some kind of amunity deal he trying to get validated look thers alot of possibilities here this is Chapo.

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  13. The lawyers behaved like amateurs. Are you kidding me? Such a weak performance from 3 top attorneys...Sometimes I had the feeling that they worked for the government too.

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    1. I was expecting a showoff from these lawyers, a few days, experts, witnesses to favor Chapo somehow...yet here we are 1 witness under 30 mins.

      I have heard about Lichtman before so I had high hopes. I thought he was going to be a nightmare for the prosecution.

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    2. Who said top attorneys. Lol.

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    3. Did they get paid?Maybe there lies the problem with the defence no $(no defence).

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  14. Thank you chivis for the cut above reporting. you made it your own and gave a nod when sources were used. I appreciate that. My only criticism is that bb forum did not give credit to keegan and others they copy and pasted from.

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  15. I see 2 common responses and the same answer works for each.
    1. Chapo is guilty and did not have a chance anyway.
    2. Chapo did not want to waste the money and save the kids.

    Then why go to trial at all and why not get on the stand and share his own story.

    The future of Chapitos and their protective pack depends on him keeping his mouth shut?

    Mica

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    1. I think you're right on both points. And as you said money was an issue. I'm sure at sentencing they'll fine him 14B or more. But, if they haven't gotten it yet?? Mexico would seize and keep the $$$, but that hasn't happened yet either. And I doubt it will. The Org keeps the bribes flowing.

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    2. Easy to answer... Chapo was protecting Los Menores AND AND AND pre agreements....find out ALL the info the government had on the cartel so they can squeeze out the snitches currently working within. Come on guys, how can you not see what happened here??? It was a farce and CDS play from the beginning. Also, remember what I said 3 months ago and take note. It's about to be one cartel ruling Mexico and it aint those perros CJNG. Get in line folks, the old timers are lining everyone up. Just watch. Facts

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    3. 11:49; I don’t think that saving money was anywhere in Chapos calculas. Between legitimate incomes alone; like real estate rents in Culiacan, Mazatlan, Guadalajara Chapos family is netting tens of million each month. If you want to see how these guys and the thousands of others live who you will never hear of, go to Mazatlan for Semana Santa (Easter week) and you’ll see CDS money and independent cartel money everywhere. Exotic luxury cars, their body guards in matching range rovers, and these guys buying the bar and hiring several banda groups at a time to play everywhere they go. The smarter money is so well insulated with legal cash flows cleaned 2x and 3x from being raw drug money. I can assure that Chapo or any other significant CDS operator would have no problem getting a “loan”, gift or whatever you want to call it to pay legal bills that are going to be scrutinized by the US government.

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    4. Mikey mikey mikey, go take a nap nap. Los menores got a few routs given to them, they’re 3rd rate now. Pretty much jus living inheritance and the routs they posses. There are other families in 1st and 2nd position. If you haven seen the future, CJNG isnt nomber 2, they’re #1. Not a fan of either but you have to be kidding if you thing this is some sort of smart play. Chapo sacrificed himself now only because emma was implicated. He now is giving up to protect the twins. Nothing to do with menores. They’re actually turned him in.

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    5. 2:29,
      You don't know anything obviously. I'll just keep it at that. You have no idea. It's not just the kids, it's the whole Mafia being protected and making sure the government releases as much info as they had on chapo to clear out the snitches in Mexico. If you think CJNG is #1, your not that bright. Maybe number 1 in gas stealing and attempting to take plazas but not number 1 in the world. The roots run deep in Sinaloa and not just one or two families pal. Do your homework and come back.

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    6. 6:26 You are correct. The reality is CDS drugs generate sales returns of wholesale distribution revenue daily as hubs in LA, Chicago, NYC, Austin, Dallas Houston, ATL, and NYC are reached. Then CDS has a distribution network to middle market and small market higher margin sales that follows every large load taken to a CDS distribution hub. Nobody has ever controlled the distribution channels as deep and geographically vast as CDS does. This well developed distribution and laundering infrastructure is on auto pilot and every day is generating more money than all cartels together while also forming a loyal customer base because of timely delivery and quality.
      Chapos innovative supply and distribution channels will be the primary source for US noses and veins long past his time on earth.

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    7. 2:34 - damn well said! And that’s some fact not no fan club bull shit.

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    8. Some ignorant pochos think los cds is los menores more like los menores are part of cds. Cds is more than them chapos kids.

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    9. 6:51 You are correct and Jesus y Ivan May have discretion that others don’t - but they are still expendable if they threaten the structure of the entity.

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  16. There has to be a better explanation that a street smart criminal boss who has been fighting for power damn near his entire life folds over with the help of his defense.

    I get that he had so much against him, but this not an excuse for a defense that a rookie lawyer could have done better.

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  17. hey chiva I will miss your dally round up but also welcome the other narco news that has been kicked to the curb.

    what I liked most about bb reporting is all the documents and historical information you added in your articles.

    thank you from AU, I checked your site at least 3X per daily. By this week I had everyone at my office doing likewise

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  18. Now I know how any girl feels when all dressed for the ball and her date a no show

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  19. The Fix Is In!
    Hung jury!

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    1. It only takes one juror for things to go sideways but with the avalanche of evidence, and vilification of Chapo by shooting a guy and burying him alive, and more, it’s doubtful it will be a hung jury with such a pathetic defense.
      A night court public defender, who failed the Bar exam 10 times before passing, could have done a better job defending this guy.

      Queso

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  20. "The defense better hit a home run in closing. But don’t wait to exhale."

    Don't bother holding your breath at all. It doesn't matter what the defense says in their closing. He's going to be convicted. Everyone knows it. Everything in between now and then is simply everyone involved going through the required motions. He's done and was done before the trial even began.

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  21. What happened:

    1) defense lawyers are highly confident that an appeal due to some technicality or other reason will work so no need to expend resources and money now
    2) behind the scenes agreement with mexican govt and/or DEA to benefit Los Menores
    3) body double and not real El Chapo (unlikely but for those conspiracy theorists)

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  22. Today I am remembering my first gig as a juror.

    When we went into deliberations, first assignment was to pick a foreman--that was yours truly. Probably because I took copious notes during the trial.

    I thought it would be a good idea to see where we were-- so I proposed a vote right off.

    I was absolutely stunned to see a 6/6 split!

    I thought it was so clear and everyone would see it the way I did.

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    1. Did you enjoy this experience?

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    2. Thanks for giving us an insight. You would've probably made a great lawyer or judge. Thankfully I have never been called, it sounds like too much--too much work, too much time. I am not one who likes debating or [taking part in] deciding people's fate.

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    3. I too served and was the foreman.. Yes its stunning to see splits but what is more stunning is seeing people change their mind after deliberating. Its really tough because as a Jury you have to be neutral. Listen to all the facts and then put it together depending on the counts given. We all know Chapo is guilty but as a Juror you have the responsibility of being neutral and looking at actual facts/evidence. OJ is one sample.

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    4. I did enjoy the experience. I did not want to go the first time. but everyone should serve when called. It is the best learning experience. you see the integrity of the system and recognize some flaws, but bottom line if good people shy away, then our juries become inferior. my children have served. ...

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    5. I did not want to be foreman, because it was my first time serving on a jury. and our jury hung because of ONE juror who had preconceived beliefs against Mexicans--and she was a Mexican. "I grew up with THOSE people." what a POS she was. but it was my only hung jury.

      Some people come together, others can be bullied.

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  23. So when they get El Mayo will Chapo testify to get his sentence reduced?

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    1. They dont need Chapo... Mayo has enough against him. Mayo wont get caught anyway. He will die in his ranch. He’s retired and only collects royalties off his routes. I know people say he’s the boss n blah blah blah but he lives in mountains collecting a good retirement!

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  24. Most likely part of the plot. Chapo will fire his current team and get a new trial,or who the hell knows?

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  25. I hope I don’t get called in to jury duty tomorrow

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  26. Wow, interesting that you have actually been on a jury multiple times. I have been summoned for jury duty but I always make up a bogus excuse not to go. I am so anti-prosecution anyway that I would never convict anyone of anything no matter what the evidence was. So it's better that I don't serve really.

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  27. “A bit os sympathy”? I think NOT. Should we all then glorify John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy? Guzman is a heartless brutal cold blooded mass murderer. He is the Devil. Maybe if I was playing the Rolling Stones’ “Sympathy for the Devil” but not el Satan Guzman. Sorry.

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    1. swoosh the point flew over your head

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    2. @ 3:44 Ummm.... Ted Bundy was a rapist serial killer, Gacy was a pedofile who dressed as a clown.... To even compare a drug lord to those sickos is both hilarious and equally ignorant. At least chapo was somewhat revered by his people as many other drug lords in their respected territories are. They are almost nothing alike, aside from one similarity, they've taken life. Guzman was a boss who was at one time the most powerful figure in the criminal world. Peices of shit like Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, Boston strangler, they will only be remembered as filthy animals. At least chapos drugs fueled a party

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    3. Lol 3:44 smokin some good stuff. Comparing apples to oranges

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    4. 919 Chapo was no angel...he had a lot of people killed, including Innocents, he had more killed, than the serial killers, that you depict.

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    5. 8:09 nothing of what I said was a depiction. Those killers killed for sick pleasure and tried to live among normal good people. . I never claimed chapo was an angel either, its obvious he isn't lol I'm saying his motives for killing are nothing like those sickos. Short sided people can try all they want to lump chapo in that category but its useless. Like it or not chapo will be remembered not just for killing lol he ran a worldwide organization and if i had to chose who is rather have alive id bring back Escobar and el senor de lol ceilos before those nasty bastards

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    6. Chapo is the worst of the worst. He is beyond Dahmer gary & Bundy. Chapo is sick and demented. Butchering with chainsaws and drinking beer and laughing he is a true spawn from hell. His sons and many of his relatives are psychotic monsters who deserve instant death as they are beyond evil.

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  28. Should not be a problem whatsoever. This jury will come back fast with guilty verdicts on every single charge. Not hard to figure that one out. The off to his concrete coffin with no contact to anyone or the outside world. I can only dream of this puny midget hallucianting and going mad. Hopefully he lives to a ripe old age confined in his 6 by 9 new home. I hope they blare music and leave the lights on 24/7, he deserves no less then slow tortorous process of going insane. My God have mercy on his pathetic soul because I sure as hell never will.

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    1. And no one gives a crap whether you live or die ... lol..as much as you despise him .. he has more ppl that care about him and wish him the best than YOU ever will ... in the end that makes you more pathetic

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    2. Tell them lames what it do 4:21

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    3. for 4:21...no one cares for guzman. NO ONE he has no friends except the money sickos who depend on him. He is a LOSER like you for glorifying the devil. I take it you are a hardcore liberal democrat.

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    4. @3:49 your pathetic for typing that all out,chapo must of hit a nerve

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    5. @1:22 you pulled a chavala move by typing this here LEVA

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  29. Si me atrapan o me matan, nada cambia. Los drogadictos siguen siendo los americanos, los mexicanos ponen los muertos.

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  30. So does this mean he actually never snitched on anybody????

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    1. Are you new here?

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    2. Yup, never any paper work or any other evidence that he snitched. Even Alfredo Beltran El Mochomo the man Chapo is accused of snitching on, told his cellie that he doesn't believe Chapo sold him out.

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    3. Chapo snitched tontos

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    4. @4:01 but 7:56 and the rest of the beltran's don't want to except the truth. Arthur was coke out paranoid

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  31. The fix is in for sure. The judge's jury instructions tells the jury which testimony to look at for each if the charges!!!! WTF!!!!????

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  32. Perhaps Heinrich Himmler would have stood a better chance had he gone to trial. Was there ever any doubt. Infamous criminals have trials that may merely showcase flamboyant defense attorneys. Free advertising.

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  33. Too bad Johnnie Cochran, who defended OJ Simpson is dead. At least he would have put on a show and given us some memorable quotes!

    Queso

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    1. Gtfo or the kardashian dad, lol

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  34. Chapo n cds know chapo is done ..but what chapo started will keep going with los chapitos..the u.s got their man but nothing will change they didbt get one dollar n drug flow not stopping ..just a big trial where snitches were exposed.and how much the u.s knew exactly..

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    1. Yeah, dont get ahead of yourself. We'll see if chapitos r even around half as long as their old man was.

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    2. I can still cop ma deugs with or with out chapo, killings keep happening in mexico. The u.s just want chapos $$$$

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    3. And mencho keeps taking their plazas lol

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  35. You reap what you sow 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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  36. farewell to mr. guzman

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    1. Yes he will be wearing pink underwear,issued by Pyle.

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    2. He will have fun in prison, he won't have to use his brain much, to Mastermind anything, just relax

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  37. OJ trial was bigger! There I said it.

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    1. Who, what who?

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    2. You forgot to say "just my opinion"

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    3. Well, more interesting at least...

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    4. From the American media and social and racial aspects, yes it really was. Oj was a world class athlete and full of charisma oh and he was social accepted among the rich white community. The idea of someone like that allegedly committing murder captured the whole world.

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    5. 12:34. Good points regarding OJ.

      His trial was after Rodney King, and initial aquital of white cops. The racial component (accomplished black athlete who dumped his first wife who was black, for a hot White Blond), along with the court room theatrics, and wall to wall coverage every day via a live feed to the entire county, made the OJ trail, the so called “trial century.” I recall some people going into withdrawal after it was over.

      The Chapo trial, would cast a huge spot light, not on “race” but on the Drug issue and gruesome violence behind it, which the “main stream media” rarely covers because doing so would point to the American appetite for Drugs.

      BB is one of the outlets that reports what others don’t.

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  38. The past tends to repeat itself and if you look at Capos who have lived long enough to be On trial by the U.S. you will see that none of them defend themselves. They can’t. In order for loved ones to continue operating in Mexico and in order for them to keep their contacts and suppliers the patriarch, in this case chapo, has to take one for the team. Just like all those that testified against him did so knowingly and with his acceptance, that’s why you see the acknowledgments in court or the gestures of friendship. On here you see the uneducated calling people rats and snitches, but it’s about protecting the organization. His sons will soon have their inner circle back in Mexico within 10 - 25 years and support since their father did not testify or burn any of their contacts. Do you really think El Mayo is hurt that his sons talked about dad? No it’s all about getting out and back to business. El Chapo is a wealth of information on a masssive network and probably evidence to prove it, but that would spell instant death for his entire blood line and what does that achieve? A lot of uneducated comments on here. In America everyone snitches for self preservation, but in Mexico, especially in this case, it’s all about the organization.

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    1. Sure buddy...lol

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    2. Well said a lot of uneducated comments 👏🏻...LM10

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    3. For what you wrote to be true it would mean Ivan and Alfredo are going to be around for 30 + years. Hate to break it to you but that ain't going to happen. No other capo of that rank has been kidnapped lmao I give them 10 years maybe and that's a huge maybe. The mayo line will continue. The chapo line will continue with ovidio, most of you people dont know anything about him other than hes chapos son. At the end that's how it's supposed to be. Back to the basics no more stupid corridos and stupid novelas. The only people that should know the mafia business is the mob!!! I can't believe these outsiders are allowed to know even the most minuscule of information, it baffles me. Guarsntee either ivan and co get in line or they're done they dont hold clout like that MZ does. All you people that are just fans of this I laugh at u. I compare u ppl to kindergardeners talking about politics and the stock market. Enjoy the novelas and corridos but just remember this, you can watch all the novelas and listen to all the komander u want at the end of the day yous all wake up in the morning to go punch in the clock. Asi es que abrense ala verga!

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  39. 10 years max and will be released early for good behavior

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    1. You seriously can't be this ignorant

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  40. Government has the burden to prove Chapo's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the burden never shifts to the defense, and the presumption of innocence alone is enough to acquit the accused if the government's case falls short of proof BRD. Reasonable doubt can come from any part of the evidence- from the government's case, the cross examination of the government witnesses, or from the defense evidence or witnesses. Some of you believe as though the accused has some burden.

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  41. so the circus is actually the wishes of chapo?

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  42. WTF Chivis ? Who would you suggest he call for a witness ? Anybody connected with him is either a cop or a drug trafficker . The traffickers in custody are testifying against him . If the others come forward they will be arrested . The only other people familiar is investigators. Sympathy ? You can find it in the dictionary someplace between shit and syphilis . I have Sympathy for a rabid dog . His disease is totally not his doing , unlike Chapo . Best regards Chivis . Our opinions may be different but you have covered the trial well . Thanks

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