Tuesday, February 13, 2018

The MS-13 Threat, does Trump’s Deport Push Boost MS-13?

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat from The Cipher Brief


Note:  I agree that President Trump’s advisers have led him down the path of great hype with respect to all things MS-13.  Who will challenge the administration?  Fooling Trump about gangs is easily accomplished when 99.9% of the American public is ignorant about cartels and gangs.  Interests about Narcos, Cartels and U.S. gangs have not been cultivated in the U.S. press and Americans follow the headline and do little outside research.  In the case of MS-13, the gang has greatly diminished, but is fast growing according to some accounts.  The U.S. Government data of 2017 has a figure of 8k.  This article says 10k.  One must wonder if the administration's MS-13 publicity is inadvertently attracting some to the gang that would not have joined otherwise.  

The article addresses the announcement that the U.S. will terminate the provisional residency permits of about 200,000 Salvadorans who have lived in the country since at least 2001, leaving them to face deportation.    The government is giving until September of 2019,  for refugees who have not already done so, to apply for green card status.
Once the process begins they must stay in the U.S. until completed.  Since the refugees have been in the U.S. on or before 2001, one would think law abiding refugees would have applied and received status by now.  especially since refugees are required to apply for a status change within the first year.  The filing costs are waived for refugees. 

My note does not diminish the opinions of Vigil. He is the renowned expert and his opinion of what would transpire if the Salvadoran refugees were deported I won’t/can’t argue with.   I am just  presenting another school of thought,  that questions if there are that many refugees that have been productive members of U.S. society, why haven’t they  applied for green card status during the last 20 years?.. …CM


Analysis: Trump’s Deport Push Boosts MS-13
by Mike Vigil
President Donald Trump invoked the deadly deeds of the violent street gang MS-13 in his State of the Union address, and again this week when addressing law enforcement officials at the White House. He spoke of closing loopholes to keep members of the Salvadoran gang out, and he has also announced plans to terminate the protected status for more than 200,000 Salvadorian immigrants in less than two years.
That plan could make the problem much worse.
The effect of forcing that many people to return to El Salvador, a country with a population of only 6.34 million, is likely to only reinforce a gang that currently pales in comparison to others. The result may create a greater danger by far to both the U.S. and El Salvador.
The decision, announced Jan. 8, to end protected status for Salvadorans after Sept. 9, 2019, means those immigrants currently in the U.S. will have to return to El Salvador or be subject to deportation. In trying to strengthen the argument for the decision, Trump drew attention to MS-13, which now numbers about 10,000 in the U.S. and 20,000 in Latin America.

Yet other criminal gangs such as the Latin Kings, the Bloods and the Aryan Brotherhood are much more violent. Some are even larger than MS-13, and they have tentacles throughout the U.S.
It’s true that a large percentage of MS-13 members in the U.S. are immigrants, and some are undocumented. But the history behind that has as much to do with past U.S. policy and practices as with conditions in El Salvador.
In the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, Salvadorans began to flee their homeland to escape the civil war that brutalized their country for 12 years, finally ending in 1992.  The U.S. had supported the Salvadoran government against left-wing rebel groups. Thousands of Salvadorans began the long trek to the U.S., seeing it as the most desirable destination, with much better economic opportunities.  They were used to working hard and just wanted to carve out a piece of the American dream.
Many of the immigrants went to Los Angeles, simply because it had a large Hispanic population and work was available there.  Almost immediately, they fell prey to established Hispanic and African American gangs that robbed and extorted them.
‘Mafia’ in the Name

In response, the Salvadorans quickly formed their own gang, calling it MS-13, or Mara Salvatrucha.  According to gang members, Mara means gang, Salva is short for Salvador and trucha refers to street smarts.  The 13 stands for M, the 13th letter in the alphabet and referring to the word “mafia.”
The gang’s estimated revenue of $30 million a year is derived from a diverse criminal portfolio that includes prostitution, murder, extortion and human trafficking.
In the late 1980’s, the U.S. government began to detain substantial numbers of MS-13 members and initiated a large-scale deportation program. Most of them were sent to what is known as the Northern Triangle in Central America —  Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.
The U.S. strategy was severely flawed from the onset. It didn’t anticipate that gang members would begin a prolific recruitment program in and out of the existing prison systems in these countries.  This swelled the ranks of MS-13, making it even more formidable by transforming it into a transnational criminal organization.
A violent and bloody conflict quickly broke out in these countries between the MS-13 and their bitter rivals, the Barrio 18 gang.  The Barrio 18, which also had its roots in Los Angeles, is larger than the MS-13, counting more than 50,000 members.  The widespread gang violence over control of territory and criminal activities caused thousands of innocent people to flee northward to the U.S.
El Salvador has a murder rate that makes it the second-deadliest country in the world. In 2015, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime counted 109 intentional homicides committed for every 100,000 people.  This is more than 20 times the U.S. rate of fewer than 5 per 100,000 inhabitants.
El Salvador’s resource-starved domestic security services are unable to cope with the high crime rates.  The country’s anti-gang strategy is one of zero tolerance, but the mass incarceration of gang members has only created intolerable prison crowding. The Salvadoran government had pleaded with the Trump administration not to revoke the temporary protective status, saying the country is in no position to successfully absorb that many returnees.
A Boost to MS-13
So Trump’s policy and planned deportation will only benefit MS-13, giving it a massive influx of people unaccustomed to life in El Salvador and perceived to have large amounts of money who will be ready prey.  It also will bring a new population of potential young recruits.
Either way, MS-13 will become more powerful and empowered. The violence undoubtedly will increase, causing a still-larger wave of migration to the U.S. rather than preventing it. Many making the trek through Mexico will be exposed to the sophisticated Mexican drug cartels that now engage in kidnapping and human trafficking.
The violence and displacement of El Salvador’s citizens costs that country an estimated $4 billion a year, according to its Central Reserve Bank.  The lack of infrastructure in El Salvador and an increase in crime and violence will only serve to further destabilize the country.
The U.S. policy also will destabilize other Central American nations.  And the U.S. economy will feel a pinch, since the vast majority of Salvadorans are hardworking individuals who make significant contributions to American workplaces, business and culture.
The crafting of policy requires careful thought, with well-defined objectives and strong efforts to mitigate risks. A failure to take more well-considered steps could spiral into catastrophic consequences not only for El Salvador, but also for the U.S.
Mike Vigil is the former Chief of International Operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration. He is one of the most highly decorated agents within the agency and was responsible for numerous multi-national operations, the largest involved 36 countries. He was also responsible for developing global intelligence sharing platforms. He is the author of DEAL and Metal Coffins: The Blood Alliance Cartel.

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  1. 13 stands for sureño not Mafia. Southern Cali gangs end with 13 unless your from maravilla

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    1. 13 stands for bad luck. As to who ever messes with them bad luck will follow them that entice the gang with this number. Many gangs have had this number for decades and have always used it as such. Maybe only recently like in the past 30 years or so the EME has started using it for their name begins with the 13th letter of the alphabet.

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    2. The number 13 had a deeper significance to the original founding members of La Eme than people are led to believe. The founding members of La Eme grew up in the 40's and 50's were whites and blacks dominated the CA penal system. Mexican Americans suffered the most discrimination at the hands of black inmates hence the deep hatred that still exist today between brown and black inmates in the CA penal system. La Eme has never forgotten or forgiven blacks for this mistreatment. Originally, most of the original founding members of La Eme did not even speak Spanish. However, they were drawn to the mysticism of the proud Azteca civilization. A civilization founded on the blood of brave Azteca warriors. La Eme was drawn to this Azteca mythology. No different than the Nazis being drawn to the Aryan mythology. Original founding members studied Aztec mythology and learned the Nahautl language as a method of communication in the penal system. Ironically, it was La Eme godfather Joe "Cocoliso" Morgan who instilled its members to get in tune with their Azteca heritage even though he was of Croatian heritage (White). Many people don't realize that La Eme was led by a white guy from the 60's throughout the 90's. Joe Morgan was 6'5", muscular, highly intelligent, disciplined and one of the most feared prisoners in the entire US penal system. Chicanos from So Cal would kill for him at the drop of a hat just to get on his good side. Joe Morgan legitimize La Eme in the underworld by establishing working relationships with the Italian Mafia and Mexican cartels. La Eme would offer protection to members of the Italian Mafia and Mexican cartels in the CA penal system in exchange for dope. However, Joe Morgan's most cunning move was reaching out to his white brothers in the Aryan Brotherhood to establish an alliance against blacks, Nor Cal Chicanos and others which still exist today. That is the reason that today to join The Brand you can be half white (father) and half brown (mother). Original Eme members quickly realized upon studying Azteca mythology that in Azteca mythology the number 13 is the most luckiest number in their numbers system. It represents the 13 vital points in the human body. Not only that, the number 13 is the luckiest number in Mayan civilization and in many Asian countries like Japan after having myself trained under the tutelage of a Japanese sensei for many years. It was the Spaniards along with the Catholic Church after the conquest of the Americas that stigmatized the number 13 as unlucky. It is no secret that the Catholic Church engaged in a systematic effort to wipe out the heritage and traditions of entire civilizations of the Americas. La Eme founding members knowing the significance of the number 13 in Azteca civilization adopted it as a way to pay homage to their forefathers. It was not until the 70's that the number 13 was synonymous with "Mafia" but you just have to do your homework before to talk out of your behind carnal.

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    3. Nice history lesson.

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    4. @9:34 I like the history lesson...but in short, the 13th letter of the alphabet is the letter "M" which Is interpreted for Mexican. It was added to "MS-13" to pay respects to Mexicans that defended the salvadorans in prison against other races. So I've heard...

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    5. Any gang with 13 pays homage to La Eme...The ones that don't are green lighted that is why they call them green rags...

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    6. 9:34 The character Miklo in the film Blood In Blood Out was based on Joe "Peg Leg" Morgan. If Eme heeded the lessons of history they would steer clear of Aryan Brotherhood. Greed and treachery are hardcoded in the Aryan DNA.

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    7. @9:01 the 13 was added to the MS after they fell in line with la EME .. paying homage and respect something like that lol

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    8. La Eme and the AB aren’t as closely allied as the old days. The have had alot of violent clashes in the few years. The Brand don’t like to be out numbered out and out ranked by the brown brothers in the CDC.

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    9. Joe Morgan was instrumental in the killing of Cheyenne who was trying to broker a truce/alliance between La Eme and NF. Many of the ranking members of La Eme did not want a truce so they purposely left Cheyenne unprotected to allow NF hitmen to kill him. In response of course the two gangs fell into an all out war. La Eme sold their souls to the AB and then turned their backs on their northern brothers.

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    10. There are ex maras that have moved up into the EME so the 13 pays homage to that fact.

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    11. That is why Aztecas in Juarez are bad ass!

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    12. Legend has it that all Morgan had to do was imply the threat of letting the carnales loose on the yards to quell disputes with adversaries and prison officials.

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  2. Ok yea and we shouldn't have fought drug trafficking because the violent assholes splintered of into more groups of violent assholes . Now all the violent assholes are killing one another and its a blood bath . Now we have to be very careful how we combat gangs because they may react and grow if we try and take them down . You seem to be saying no mater how any of it happens the USA is wrong . I do not discriminate when it comes to gangs but you seem to be saying it just aint fair because they are targeting this latino gang and not crips ,bloods or arians . Guess they cant deport them as easy as illegal aliens . But it just aint fair. You didn't mention the Mexican Mafia that has a huge presence in both Cali and Tx . They are mostly born in the USA also . When it comes to gangsters I don't discriminate . Do whatever possible to rid ourselves of them . The aliens are the easiest to get rid of because they have another home country . A sociopath don't just become a sociopath one day when things aren't going his way . They already were . We have to many of our own to give a second chance . Why does latin America and so many latin americans think the usa owes them ? We seem to be the momas tit of the world . If they don't act right then deport them. we don't have to try to understand them . Even the naturalized foreign born with dual citizenship . If they want to lead a criminal life sue them for their American citizenship . Most will fold and give it up . Let the rest spend their criminal assets fighting it . We have a diverse country but seem to be overwhelmed with illegals that can walk here. You all about statistics . How does the foreign born stack up from around the world ?

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    1. FBI stats to 2018 is 6000 members in the US.
      tex gang report which i posted in 2017 says only 500 in Tx
      not many in California

      most have moved east. gang data of 2017 says 8000 in the US.

      they simple are not a big factor. they only remain so because of cartel connections. not by numbers.

      the media showcases what they want which can promote wrong info.

      for example 500 MS in texas.
      yet 20,000 tango blast members.

      who?
      Exactly the point.

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    2. Bitch if u ain't blastin u ain't lasting

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    3. The only way to get rid of gangs is to teach at risk kids how to become responsible adults. This includes many a time spent with many of them even on a one to one basis showing them that there are better things in life than hanging out with loosers doing drugs and causing havock.
      Many are cowards though that only feel like men or tough when they are with other shitheads like them.

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    4. You have a point there with the Tango Blast . Seems to me they originated in Houston Texas . I have seen evidence they travel to other cities and states to work for cartels . Sinaloa ? Maybe . At one time in the Texas state prisons they stood in the corner of the Texas Syndicate . Maybe still .

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    5. Awesome post.... deport the tangos too... you are rite on... the moms tit, lol... clean this country up... I don't give a damn if el salvador can't handle the re influx???? Why should the USA handle the rejected from another country's issues???? There has to be a solution.... Puerto Rico iz the one getting screwed.... they can't vote in the US but they can join the military.... wait that's my answer put these pedejos to work in the military for the good of the USA which was built by great men that started this country.... stop coming to the US expecting your American dream when you have done nothing to deserve that rite.... this is not a freebie country....

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    6. Tango Blast was originally a prison gang. They accept anyone from other gangs under their umbrella, and have no issues with dual affiliation even after you get out of prison, since they are all about the money. The issue with counting TB members is that they are also members of other gangs, so it skews the numbers. They've also started to spread to other areas because of prison transfers to places outside of the state.

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    7. The tanga are mostly English speaking American citizens, good luck deporting them.
      The pinchis maras learned their craft in El Salvador when the Kaibiles trained them to fight communism in the form of farmers, union leaders, teachers and fans of education health care better wages and progress for the poor, the world wide famous battalion Atlacatl did their murdering and soon were looking for another job, many went to the US to be guerrilla monkeys maras, in El Salvador lt col. James Steele met with newly graduated lt David Petraeus who went to Iraq as a general and hired Steele as a private contractor to do some more murdering and money from the US government.
      Lt.col Steele was bypassed for promotions due to his crimes of war in el.salvador,.and his.disciples came.to the US to keep up the practice, Feliz ismael Rodriguez was another.participant in the debauchery in El salvador sent there to work on the drug trafficking thing under guise of fighting the sandinistas with help of his compadre Juan Ramon Matta Ballesteros, School of the Americas trained the Kaibiles of course, and Matt ballesteros and Felix Rodriguez went on to murder Kiki Camarena of DEA in Mexico for expropriating drug traffickers money that belonged to the CIA...
      The maras are only being demonized to make all brown people targets of persecution courtesy of nazis in the white house and their political campaigns to privatize a few more billion dollars in pork barrel for the president for profit and his buddies.

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    8. @chivis we smash MS in Texas prisons lmao they either fall in line or get smashed.


      @5:35 tango members work mainly with golfos.. gulf cartel has more of a presence here in Texas but work with everyone not just them..
      And as for TS they really hold no more power like they did in the 90s we went to war with them in the early 2000s.. tangos run the majority of the prisons in Texas..

      @KB tango blast is still a prison gang you can only get initiated in prison. Anyone who says they tango blast and has never been to prison is faker than a 500$ dollar bill
      20*02

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    9. @Arturo; When I said "was" I meant that they retain membership even after they get out of prison. But I see where that could cause some confusion, so I appreciate the correction.

      KB

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    10. @7:10 You can’t deport Tangos, they are from Texas which is still part the USA as of 2018. There are enough gang members joining the military & it’s not to make a better life or to serve this great nation. Just like CDG sought out the best trained when they created the Z, gangs send youngsters in to get trained by the best -the US govt then they bring that knowledge back to the block & tada a shitload of trained, armed kids running around Chicago’s south side. Puerto Rico is a welfare state; if not for the support funneled into P.R. That place would be as corrupt and run down as Haiti. I’ll agree bring back hard labor & growing their own food in jail but they don’t need to be trained as military.

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    11. 7:05 who the hell are you to decide who serves in the US military?
      More independent people are needed to serve the country rather than their future masters in private mercenary corporations presently extorting the US government for "services rendered" after exacting juicy secret under the table deals like more than 700 billion dollars awarded to Blackwater for gratuitous murdering all over the world including now assets on all sides of the Syrian Conflict...
      "BENGHAZI" author who knows something about intrigue, needs to be investigated, seems to know too precisely what happened there...it stinks to high heaven, where I live...
      --Somebody said the worst enemy of the US will be other americans, amazing how true it is these days of serving the Golden Bull Moiseis himself thought he had destroyed back in the day, his confederates say just one more day at work...

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  3. I totally do not believe that MS 13 has been given a ‘boost’ because of Trump. Such a garbage statement. Opinionated and open to heavy debate.

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    1. The more Trump discusses the MS13 the more publicity it gets and or even more fame for stupid punks to want to join this shithole gang. There is a saying after all that "there is no such thing as BAD publicity".
      Trump supporters of course always believe he can do NO wrong either directly or indirectly!!! So why even debate this shit???

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    2. @1:23 Yet your comment is opinionated and open to heavy debate.

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    3. Publicity gives MS-13 more clout in the streets. If you don’t think that Trump constantly talking about MS-13 every week of his presidency doesnt boost membership then you don’t understand how the streets work. The similar thing happened when the feds went after the Mongols MC in the Mid 2000’s. True Alpha male criminals want to be associated with the hardest goons on the street.The Mongols used to be mostly a SoCal club but now they have 10 international chapters and 17 US state chapters besides California. The attention by the feds, media and their war with Hell’s Angels gave a huge boost to membership.

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    4. Once I get to a party with this guys. This dudes get down 🍾 they even had snipers on the roof

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    5. Same with cartels, corridos got famous everyone claimed to be a cds cell

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    6. Publicity is a marketing tool that can be welcomed / damaging to those who are being publicized. In this case a welcoming boost morale and applause for morons.

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    7. So much bluster about trump enhancing them by saying their name . CACADA . Make them well known and they will ultimately get weaker . Hunted out and broken down like everybody else that gets to be a famous criminal . It goes way back to the old time famous outlaws . Its like bacteria . You bring it to sunlight and it gets weaker . The more they are known and dealt with the less powerful they are .

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    8. @8:03 Yeah just like the just say no to drugs push in the 1980 and 1990’s. Or all the anti-gang initiatives that were promoted throughout the country but yet gang membership increased. Or when President Obama said ISIS was a JV team and not a threat to the middle east. Bringing bad things to light also brings in curiosity from the weak minded.

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    9. 5:43 "BLACKWATER" BY Jeremy Scahill...
      Then investigate ISIS...
      "After the Fall" is not just a book about Marilyn Monroe, or Marilyn Manson, the Iraqi Government kicked Blackwater out of Iraq for their mass murdering ways and the impunity the US government granted them, something even regular US defense forces still don' have, freedom from prosecution anywhere in the world for any war crimes or any crimes, and a pay rate at levels even US generals can only dream of 8f they serve in the private industry contracting from the US gov.
      Blackwater organized ISIS after getting kicked out of iraq, they poor broke as needed to do something to help their case and get gainful employment, posing as highly competent private mercenary security forces they are behind every crime wave and mass murdering all over the world, ISIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT.

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  4. How many gang members of Sinaloa, Zetas, CDG?

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    1. Would have though as much as 100,000 maybe more? Anybody?

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    2. None of those are gangs. US gangs tend to associate with one or more Mexican cartel for business purposes, but are not actually members of those cartels. The cartels don't care so long as they get paid, and it provides a small buffer between them and the US government.

      That said, there ARE members of those cartels in the States, but their numbers tend to be smaller than the local gangs. They are usually there as distributors and the link back to a cartel, while the gang members are the retail (street corner) guys.

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    3. 1:38 there is millions of cdg, not counting the customer who are drug addicted maniacs, gangsters, lords, kings and shit.

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    4. Fuck all that in (order to stop gangs we must educate our kids) its a bunch of bullshit yiu want crime to stop then start exposing AMERICAN TOP DRUG DEALERS and I'm not talking about your neighborhood trap dealer I'm talking about the WHITE GUYS IN FLASHY SUITS WHO are connected with corrupt government officials local sheriff chief,JUDGES etc etc these assholes control the drug movement in the United States and they make deals with the cartels who the cartels go and hire local gangs to distribute and sell and then you also have PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES who also buy quantities of drugs from these LICENSED AMERICAN NARCOS and then you have the police who CONTROL the prostitution in the United States C'MON GUYS DONT BE STUPID AND FOOLED OR BRAINWASHED the fucking mafias control United States ever since the great depression that's why THE ITALIAN MAFIAS GOT STRONGER AND WERE ABLE TO INFILTRATE THE GOVERNENT And corrupt it so bad that it will lead to it's own FAILURE HOLLYWOOD DONT MAKE THESE AMERICAN NARCO MOVIES FOR NOTHING THE FUCKING C.I.A F.B.I D.E.A ALL THOSE PRIVATE INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS ARE ALL FUCKING TERRORISTS,DRUG TRAFFICKERS, KIDNAPPING, PROSTITUTION, ORGAN TRAFFICKING ALL THAT SHIT YOUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE BEING RUN BY PEOPLE THAT CAUSE ALL OF THE BULLSHIT IN THIS WORLD BUT INSTEAD BLAME CARTELS ,LOCAL GANGS ,CORNER STORE DRUG DEALER,FREEDOM FIGHTERS,BLACKS AND BROWN MEXICANS,AFRICANS,MUSLIMS FUCK YOUR CAPITALISM AND IMPEARLISM AND ZIONISM FUCK IT ALL.

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    5. 1:47 so then begin exposing these American top drug dealers and pharmaceutical companies tough guy. These kind of fuckin rants like yours aint shit if the person that says them does not lead by example!

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  5. Thank you Chivis!

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  6. The 13 is a sort of salute to the mexican mafia. Ms 13 tried to stand up to mexican mafia for that they deserve some grudging respect. It takes balls to do that. Ms 13 is notorious for their dumb ass murders of innocent and rivals as well as ppl who they think are rats. They accept rapists in their ranks doe so theyre looked down by other gangs. Kick their asses back to el salvador we got our own gangs to deal with in the usa.

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    1. They get a lot of publicity in the States because they are one of the few groups that brings Mexican cartel level violence to US streets. If they were in Mexico they'd simply be another group of murderous bastards, same as all the rest.

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  7. Not even horses are safe.

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  8. MS-13 is virtually no existent in the US since the 2000's when they started deporting most of them to El Salvador . hence why El Salvador is falling apart . compared to other gangs In the United States they are nothing , but I guess everyone needs a boogeyman and most people eat this propaganda right up .

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    1. So why they in new york or the east coast like dc

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    2. ... 1 Block From 14th Street And Girard In NW Washington D.C. There Is A lot Of MS13 People's ... Next To Embassy Row, In Arlington, Alexandria , Fairfax , Virginia Along Within Maryland ... Many Active Gang Members ... Had 1 Altercation With A "Member" In A Kitchen During A House Party Around 1995 ... We Echanged Some Insults And I Thought We Were Going To Fight, But No ... He Grabbed A 12" Steak Knife, I Through My Jack & Coke Glass At Him, Then Ran Towards The Front Door As He Was Trying To Stab Me ... Made It To The Security Door And it Was Locked, Frantically Unlocked It And Out I Went As He Was Making A Slashing Motion ( My Friends Told Me L8tr That I Barely Made It Out The Door ) ... He Ran After Me For 1 Block And Got Winded ... Needless To Say That He Who Was A Friend, Was Now An Enemy Over Stupid Stuff ...

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    3. I didn't say that they didn't exist I just said that they are pretty much irrevelant .

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    4. El Salvador is not falling appart, the ruling class 1%ers have squeezed about everything from their country, and the Salvadoran are showing they are sick and tired of the BS, one more thing is that by antagonizing mexico, guatemala, Los maras, and immigrants, the US grows isolated while American Latina grows close to Bladdermir Putin whose plan is still winning...

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  9. Not sure how anyone can be afraid of gangs in America... The cartels in Mexico should be the ones talked about.

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    1. I like to live in your america were apparently theres no gang problem

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    2. Gangs are a threat to America’s structure. No one really cared about gangs when they were just a hood or barrio thing. When black and Hispanic gangs became more Mainstream then America has a gang problem. Especially when white teenagers in the suburbs started claiming GD, Vice Lords, Bloods, Crips, Sureños and Norteños.

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    3. @9Pm if you are in America, and its not your own, what are you doing here?

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    4. 6:36 the greatest threat to america is not he gangs of criminals, the mexicans or the maras, but the american politicians and fake wannabes, they are selling the US down the drain because politicians these days only care about getting some money, or rubles, that the shit they use for play doo and fack their contituents...

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  10. A estos pinches mugrosos que los acaben

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  11. Interestingly, a couple friends of mine arrived from Australia yesterday in the town I live in in Guerrero. They were walking up the street to come visit me, and suddenly agents from immigration pulled up and started asking them for papers, etc. I have to wonder if now there is a lash-back in México because of Trump and his wall.

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    1. I have lived in Mexico 7 years now and had a residence in the USA also. I was coming on a tourist visa good for 6 months. I bought property and I was told to put it in my name I had to be a "Permanent Resident". So I got that card now and it is green. I was driving for 6 of those years with US plates and I bought a sticker at the border for each 6 months. I was pulled over 3 times in ine day asking for my paperwork. It happened quite often. Now that I can no longer drive a car with US plates into Mexico I had to buy a car with Chihuahua plates. I have not been stopped at revision's where all cars have to stop though it is obvious I am a American they only ask for for circulation card or the same as a registration card now in Mexico. They are looking for stolen cars. I guess they know I cannot have a car in my name with Mexican plates if I am not at least a Permanent Resident. Has made my life easier here being a Permanent Resident.

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    2. S Florida HS 20 killed, shooter still at large...
      --Of course, "weapons do not kill, we do not need to jump to conclusions or politicize this shit"

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  12. I think ms13 being deported will no doubt have a severe impact in the US for the gang. They'll just be recruited to the cartels south of the border. But once again, everything is the US fault.

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  13. "The Latin Kings, Bloods, and Aryan Brotherhood are more violent." Huh? Why no mention of ultra-violent Mexican Mafia affiliates like the Avenues, Florencia 13, and the East Side Longos?

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    1. 10:41 chump change local maruchaneros do not count for shit.

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    2. Never heard of any of them.

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    3. 11:44 PM SoCal Sureno gangs who drew RICO charges for ethnic cleansing of Blacks from their neighborhoods at the behest of La EME.

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  14. I recently saw a Trump advocate law enforcement expert on TV describe the menace of MS-13 on the Eastern seaboard. He really knew his stuff.

    I got the impression that Trump is aware of the street gangs problems in America and their connections to violence, crime, and illicit drugs and the sub-economy underlying their existence in America.

    Given this, I think Trump has identified MS-13 as the "poster" child of illegal alien criminals to support his grander ideas regarding illegal immigration.

    Put simply, singling out MS-13 gangsters is a smart politic marketing ploy for tougher means to deal with illegal immigration issues.

    About statistics and quality of life: There is an interplay between numbers of anything and "qualitative" realities. Citing "numbers" (statistics) of bad things can be useful in proper context. But, this can also be misleading based on the objectives, purposes, or motive of the person(s) doing the citing.

    People can and do lie with statistics when they want to sell an idea. We can see this all the time everywhere if we are aware of the many ways this form of lying is done.

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    1. No Trump doesnt. Haitian, Russian and Asian illegals for example create just as much or more chaos in their neighborhoods than MS-13. The Maras are the easiest to identify because they don’t hide their activities as well as the other minority groups. Trump throws out words without stats to support his claim. When a person says MS-13 people react negatively because of shows like gangland. When a person throws out Zoe, Ñetas, Trini or Tiny Rascals there is not near the fear involved. If you haven’t paid attention approximately 70% of what Trump says has been proven to be “untruths” in some form or fashion. Not lies but his accuracy is not on point. Only about 30% of what he says is a flat out lie. Most of the Maras command structure has been deported to El Salvador over the last 20 plus years so Trump talking about the Maras now is about 10 years too late. Its mostly newbie teens on the street in the US. So if our president believes a bunch of gang banging teenagers are the biggest threat to security im this country he is flat out delusional. Our biggest security threat comes from one our own allies and that’s Saudi Arabia. I do believe the majority of the 9/11 highjackers were from Saudi. Saudi Nationals basically come and go as they please unlike a Central American National.

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  15. Well the KKK has about has about 3,000 home grown Klan members in the USA. You rarely see them killing people, beheading or hangings now. Too bad there is not an island they can be deported to and strip them of citizenship. Yet they are in the news and continually talked about. There is literally 100's of thousands of Latino gang members that are extorting, killing and raising hell in the USA but you rarely hear nearly as much about them. Deport who you can and deal sternly with home grown gangs in the USA. Same goes for Asian, Russian, Black, radical motorcycle and other gangs that think they can live off crime in the USA. Innocent people around the world need to not worry about any type of gang violence. Here in Mexico it is way out of hand and they need to be taken out of society so the people here can breathe freely and without fear. When you let down your guard and think God or luck will keep you from harm is when you are most likely to become a victim.

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    2. You make some very good points. I agree with you about our home grown gangster problem that has been virtually ignored for "generations".

      IMO, the MS-13 gang is just "for openers" to larger police state actions. I would advise all young people to avoid getting implicated with "any" gang because the hammers are coming down as we head toward a Police State.
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  16. Vigil, what a bunch of horse poop! How does keeping undocumented criminals in the US help US Citizens or our Immigrants? We can deport immigrants if they are here illegally or if they have committed certain serious crimes. Removing dangerous criminals from the US only makes for a safer country. A dangerous criminal is a dangerous criminal and, if given an opportunity, lets boot their asses back to their country of origination.

    As a law enforcement officer of several decades working the streets and not an administrator like you, we strive to keep all of society safe. We cops initiated dozens of deportations and locked up many who returned illegally. It saved countless lives and maybe yours and those of your loved ones. Because of ignorant information and thought like yours, our law enforcement cannot do this anymore. We are supposed to help Homeland Security as all law enforcement need to support each other.

    You sound like you never had the opportunity to work gangs on the street and your opinions sound like some of the lame language Kamala Harris started using about Transnational Gangs to pump up her status. You listen to the wrong people and you are not an expert on gangs.

    Our President should not use the name of the gang as it only glamorizes them. Gang members are dangerous and, if given any opportunity, they should be thrown back to their countries. If deportation or prison time if they return is what MS13 faces, too bad for them. They are scum. We have to live with and manage our emotionally disturbed, dangerous, homegrown gang members. Your opinion puts us at severe risk. How do call yourself a retired protector. You are a scam.

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    1. How about we start keeping our school safe from domestic terrorist first before we start talking about deporting hard working illegal immigrants. The dangerous illegals are getting deported at a pretty high rate as we speak so why does a president have to talk about a gang of mostly teenagers as the biggest threat to Americans safety. I’ll tell you why. It pushes his agenda that he campaigned as a candidate. Smoke and mirrors as they say. If Trump farted in a supporters face 90% of them would say it smelled like roses. That’s kinda gross but you get my point. I’ve been in your position for many years and I can tell you the higher ups in government could less about you or me. We all are at risk and this president puts us Americans at more risk than other group has.

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    2. If you’ve been working the streets for several decades...Are you considered a failure at this point? Shouldn’t you have moved on to something bigger by now. And where should we send that box of donuts

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  17. The majority of the refugees are not criminals, they want to send ALL of the refugees back, even those who have led respectable lives. which is most all of them

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    1. The refugee program was not a permanent solution. When they were accepted on the program they knew they would be sent back. Time is up.

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    2. not accurate 4:54. they were given a time line to apply for changing status to another like green card. free of fees

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  18. Report those who commit federal crime or repeated minor offences but to deport people who are working, contributing to taxes and raising their families is disgusting. Many couldn't afford the fees to apply for a change in status.

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  19. 9:41 Thanks for getting this on a sensible non gang minded , non racial turn .Most of these "points" are ridicules . Why don't they talk of this gong or that gang . Anybody with any savy should understand its just criminal illegal aliens in general . If he said the KKK you all wouldn't be saying , "well what about the skin heads and the neo Nazis , arien botherhood arian circle bla, bla ,bla . You guys nee to make up a list of the gangs you mentioned when he is talking about gangs . For gods sake don't mention one gang that is totally one race without mentioning another race . Whait can Irish join Raza Unida ? If the latin gangs aren't racial , my bad .

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  20. we have had quite a few comments about the Fla HS shooting that killed 17.

    About half of you want greater gun control. And some have asked my position. A democrat on the floor today outright lied , at best, saying this is an issue unique to the U.S. ....that is a lie or at best an ignorant comment.

    take a look ..top historical 104 worse school killings in the world:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll


    The argument over gun restriction is over 200 years late. It is a knee jerk argument. When you remove or restrict gun ownership, you take weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens and empower criminals who scoff at laws.

    So about the shooting of yesterday. So damn sad, and I have no answers on what should be done but It is a mental issue, and we can vastly improve mental health treatment and care. These shootings have one common component, the shooter has a history of mental, anger or behavior issues.

    And lastly, if all the guns were gone from the U.S. a crazy will still find a way to kill the masses.

    The killer at Virginia Tech used only 2 handguns to kill 33 people. truth is, explosives is a more effective way to kill masses.

    In fact in the most deadly U.S. school attack killing 44 and injuring 58, not one bullet was fired, not one gun used,
    bombs/explosives.

    and the most deady school attack was not in the U.S.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/

    and those are my thoughts and for the record I do not own a weapon with the exception of bear spray.

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  21. mexican mafia eme moves all drugs in united states

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