Saturday, August 16, 2014

What is happening in Valle de Bravo?

El Diario.mx (August 12, 2014)

By Raymundo Riva Palacio; Translated for Borderland Beat by un vato

I found this article interesting because is shows that the lawlessness in Mexico is beginning to affect the social and economic elite. As the article shows, Valle de Bravo is a favorite retreat for Mexico City's financial and social elite.--un vato.  

Distrito Federal.-- Valle de Bravo is one of the magical cities in the State of Mexico. It possesses a lake where Mexico City's elites show off their sailboats and water ski, race in motocross events and with their $4,000.00 bikes, or ride horses in the mountains. This city has for years been the preferred weekend destination for the capital city's high society.  The town, with winding, cobblestone streets and colonial architecture, has an alpine temperature, which causes chimneys to be lit in the residences. If you have never been to Valle de Bravo, and are thinking about it, don't even think about it. Don't do it.

In Valle de Bravo, they are carrying out kidnappings with a speed that amazes as much as the surrender by the authorities or the inexplicable passivity in attacking this phenomenon , which is spiraling. "We have three active cases," admits the Secretary of Governance for the State of Mexico, Jose Manzur. Those who know what is happening suggest there more.  Activist Isabel Miranda de Wallace said on Tuesday that many people don't report kidnappings in Valle de Bravo, which is why the crime statistics do not coincide with reality in that city.  Recent events support the alarm that has been triggered.

This weekend, several persons who were hiking along its mountain trails were kidnapped.  Last week, a foreign couple who was going to spend the weekend in that town ran into a road block at the entrance to Valle. The men were dressed like Federal Police, but apparently were drug traffickers from Michoacan, and have kept them in captivity since then. The weekend before that, only the payment of millions in ransom money prevented the death of the victim.  "We don't have the capacity to control this", admitted a high level Mexico State government official.  So then, one may add, each person needs to assume responsibility for his own safety.

"The law here can't do anything", a kidnapper told a rescue negotiator. Either the family pays or they (the victims) pay.  The ransom payments are in the seven figures and local authorities have advised those that still waste their time filing criminal complaints -- because they don't have any support from the authorities-- to pay up and prevent the loss of a life. Kidnappers don't worry about local or state authorities. But if the Army or the Federal Police get close to the areas where they are keeping their victims, they will kill them, they warn.

Valle de Bravo today is an archetype of the law of the jungle, but the problems have been incubating since 2010, when the problem of violence tied to organized crime first put an end to the naivete of the people that still went there on weekends. Neither state or federal police did anything to attack the criminals and put a stop to the violence.  Drug cartels are tied to illegal loggers, and they work in uncontrolled criminal tandem. In 2012, employees of Probosque, a decentralized agency attached to the Mexico State government, went there to investigate a report of illegal logging. They ran into a meth lab. The drug traffickers dismembered them. Even then, nothing was done.

The current insecurity in Valle de Bravo got worse at the beginning of Spring, when criminals began to flee from Michoacan. That municipality -- which border Atlacomulco -- President Enrique Pena Nieto's hometown--, is located 74 kilometers from Zitacuaro, where Michoacan's Tierra Caliente region begins, and 15 minutes from Temascaltepec, port of entry for travelers from Arcelia, located in the Tierra Caliente region of the State of Guerrero, 135 kilometers away. Luvianos, the center of drug trafficking in the Mexico State area, is located 165 kilometers from Valle de Bravo.

People who traveled frequently to Valle de Bravo have stopped going to their old vacation sanctuary, which is now in second place in numbers of home robberies. Criminal groups have several patrons there. There is a part that is tied to organized crime, but there is another one that appears to be more local.  A kidnapper, for example, told the negotiator that he was not an evil person, but that he needed money, which suggests economic desperation. The same could be said about what's happening in the highway from Toluca to Valle de Bravo, where people throw stones at cars from bridges to make them stop so they can rob them.

Violence in Valle de Bravo spiraled again after January, when Jose Luis Garduno, plaza chief for the Caballeros Templarios, was captured, and it increased in March. When they arrested Garduno, it was said that he got protection from the municipal police, but that lead was never followed up. It is not a minor detail. Sources within the Mexico State Attorney General's Anti-kidnapping Group say that the criminals in Valle de Bravo are protected by the municipal police, but nothing happens.

There are Army patrols in the municipality, and a Marine unit was recently stationed there, but it's the same old thing.  Kidnappers make fun of them and the crime rate keeps going up. And the authorities? They're doing well, thank you. And yourself?    

93 comments:

  1. Dr mireles has more respect than chapo

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    1. Apparently LFM has more influence than the Dr. Did you not read the article. In a nutshell, the Dr. is in the pinta and la tuta is on video dividing a fortune. Again LFM has the backing of the president of Mexico.

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    2. I guess is mireless in the same class like chapo is mireles a criminal and drug dealer like chapo?

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    3. Yes. EPN has been in bed with them since he was governor of El DF. Look with what happened in Michoacan. He gave it back to Change Menendez s brother and his other goons.

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    4. Chapos fall caused a lot more widespread sadness than mireles....there was multiple public protest in sinaloa than the people in michoacan did for mireles....chapo built schools and put food in peoples mouths and money in their pockets....he did a lot for the pobres en la sierra.....he wasnt a saint but atleast he did his best to gain his peoples love and never forgot where he came from...that will be la puta tutas demise.....Mireles is a good guy but he is a tuna support swimming in a tank of sharks....he will never get what he wants.....cartels are so ingrained

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  2. it is appropriate that the richest suffer the same fate as the poorest.

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  3. Not an evil person? Bullshit!!! It takes balls to be a man and face life!

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  4. Glad I left. Good ole U.S. of A !!

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    1. I was born in Mexico and now I am u.s. citizen. I'm proud of my culture and my background. That said I really don't like people that are always complaining how it's way better to live in Mexico, and say they hate the u.s. but still stay here. The United states might not be perfect but it beats the hell of living in Mexico with constant fear.

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    2. U think the us has nothing to do with whats going on in mex?

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    3. The usa may buy mexican drugs but mexican criminals killing ppl like fucking animals thats on them the mexican giverment who has no balls will sell their motheres for money thats on them.so no matter how ignorant ppl want to blame their problems on the us but that is bullshit.

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    4. Why is there so many addicks in the US.

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    5. Drugs=cartels, US addicks demand their drugs don't be blind.

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    6. What and the hell does drug cartels slaughtering innocent people have to do with drug addicts in the US? Stop deflecting from the real issues and snap back into reality. Stop looking the other way and stand up for your people.

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    7. Addicks?? Lol go to school

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    8. I wrote addicks because they are dicks most of them are stealing to get drugs.

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    9. 1:12 pm: its not ignorance u fool its reality I fight for my mexican country but I stand no chance with our weapons against the best weapons in the world coming from estados unidos that go to cartels dont deny involvement

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    10. The point of the argument was mexicans blaming mexicos problems on the u.s.a. yes american drug addicts buy lots of mexican drugs.but the violence in mexico and the corruption that cant be blamed on the u.s.a. also mexico has a lot of drug addict as well that was the point you ignorant ass stupid bastard who cant even argue a point in a matter in wich makes srnce cus your dumb.and to the idiot that wrote above me u.s.a dont make the ak 47 so your point is also fucking dumb because if americans dont sell weapons to mexican criminals they wld buy them elsewhere. Also most of the people smugling guns into mexico are mexicans or mexican americans in short Mexico is fucked up because of mexicans so stop blaming other people and accept it and try to fix it.

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    11. @ 4:19pm Thank you my point exactly.

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    12. Dumb ass can't you get your own point.

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    13. @11:00a stop posting b/c your comments bring nothing intelligent to the discussion. Mocking other posters is jsomething a juvenile would do. Unless you are a juvenile involving yourself in adult subjects.

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    14. My point exactly brings something intelligent to the discussion. Express your own thoughts don't steal their thoughts, use your brain.

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  5. I was just there and nothing happen. Come to Mexico its very safe EPN

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  6. Why do we have cartels?

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    1. Drogas my friend. Theres a need and someone has to supply that need. Now if those cartels just stuck to that logic and enjoy eachs own piece of the pie. And not get greedy and so damn power hungry and look for more sadistic and grotesque ways to make a buck this would barely get any coverage. I find it fascinating that all these gangsters talk about loyalty, respect, and honor, but do your research, there has never been loyalty or any of that jazz. Greed trumps loyalty respect and honor. And that leeds to distrust and violence. Drugs do bad things to everyone involved, but if there was a lil more consoladation and compromise and respect and Fogivness, cartels wouldnt exist just simple groups feeding a need. Theres youre answer followed by a thick layer of depressed hope.

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    2. Cartels are nothing but puppets to the cia, always have been !!always will be.!!

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    3. To supply the drugs tp all the addicts in the US.

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    4. U stupid ass dumb shit.the c.I.a. aint got shit to do with the cartels.the c.I.a. has to do with goverments and terrorism. And to the other dumbass above me yes they do supply to the addicts in the u.s. also to yhe ones in mexico.

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    5. Another dumb american that thinks their country does nothing.

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    6. Ask Oliver North?

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    7. 1:42 pm actually were all Americans extending all the way south to the Patagonia its a European-anglo thing

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    8. 11:18 smartass!

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    9. @1:42pm. So u think the US is this super powerful empire that dictates what happens all over the world. Our government purposely sends weapons to aid in the fighting between the cartels. We force the drug lords to smuggle the drugs into our country. We are the puppet masters who force u to do thy bidding. Come on man u act like there is some conspiracy against the country of Mexico perpetrated by the leaders from the US. The things that are happening in Mexico is happening because of pure greed!!! Greed from the Mexican politicians and drug trafficking organizations. The blame is pointed straight at them and people like u who blame the US.

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    10. Yes your govt. send weapons to Mexico and yes even your govt. has smuggle drugs to the US. Greed that describes the US, all you want is oil and will do anything to get it even invade other countries.

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    11. 6:15 he had a point mexicans r americans too think of this : nigerian african japanese asian italian European mexican equals to American

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    12. Damn, we Americans really have it like that? I guess we do. Get use to it because it won't end any time soon especially if a Republican is voted in as president in 2016.

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    13. Ok I'm not Mexican I'm American, so why are you so racist towards me.

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  7. Yea but not enough power, Dr. Mireles is one man, and the state that Mexico is in, its gonna  take more than one man for something to change, BUT on to the article... kidnapping is a way of life sadly theres nothing that will put an end to it. Ending corruption will put an end to ALL OF IT. And that is the only factor that will make a differenc.

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    1. USA needs to invade mexico.PERIOD!!

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    2. US invaded mexico in the 1800's causing all these issues u see today......the problem is all the laws the usa has created against the drug market that has caused all the terrible violence.....plus the usa is too broke to invade and take on governing more states or a territory the size of mexico.....its too much money down the drain....and mexicos current state helps the us to make more money

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    3. Sorry you can't!

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    4. The u.s.a could take over mexico like taking a weekend vacation. We already did once and took one third of its territory from texas to California but now is obvious that the usa dont give a shit about mexico until some terrorist sneak thru and blows some shit up.

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    5. Like I said you can't we don't give you permission.

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    6. 9:11p you went below the belt with that comment, but you are on point.

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  8. This thing is never going to end. usa either needs to legalize drugs or mexico needs to stop the corruption. If you kill/capture a cartel boss there's thousands who will take there place. The real criminals are the same people who are supposed to be protecting us. The politicians

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    1. Politicians on both sides of the border.

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    2. If the US legalizes drugs, then Mexicans won't kidnap for money. Nice argument idiot.

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  9. Im every state in mexico state and local police are actually soldiers for the cartel... this way they can do what they want without being told anything... for example kidnapping

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  10. why some people claim Mexico is safe ?
    it is not

    just read the articles on Borderland Beat


    Mexico is corrupted to the core
    and deserved what it get

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    1. Borderland beat cherry picks their stories!!! I can do the same in the US and only target stories of tyranny, murders, robberies, etc.

      It'll be nice if BB puts a plug how the Mexican economy is booming

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    2. The drug trade doesn't count as a booming industry. Tell the poor in Mexico that the economy is booming. I bet they will say that they couldn't tell. What's causing the boom is the Mexican citizens making a good living the US and sending money back to their family in Mexico. There are uneducated workers making $20 an hour in the Texas oilfield industry. Plus they are working 60-100hrs a week as long as they are willing work. They are getting overtime after 40 hrs every week. There are illegals who are getting paid over $1000 a week in cash by these companies b/c they aren't legal to work here. If the workers can speak both languages they will make even more money than that. So you tell me who and what is causing the boom in Mexico. It is definitely not the corrupt Mexican government.

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    3. How entertaining will it be to write about the positive things in Mexico? You don't get on BB to comment about the wonderful things happening in Mexico. We all come here to read and comment about the drug war and the fighting. Go to a different forum if you want a positive spin on life in Mexico.

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  11. Poor Valle de Bravo! So far from D.F., so close to Michoacán!!

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  12. Why are there cartels????? Americanos. My friend is the reason.....americanos will trade their wife for a hit of Meth...coke or heroin.........so much fucking money is being sent to Mexico its unreal.....

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  13. Drugs is only one part of the problem. legalizing drugs will only increase kidnappings and extortion. it's the criminalization of a country and culture!
    A big step to stopping this criminalization is stopping most of Mexico;s wealth flowing to the 1%!

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  14. PURO PEDO!... ARRIVA EL CDS PUTOS!!! KE HAY VIENE LO PESADO

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  15. Mexico is a pretty big country, some areas are quite safe, others are quite dangerous and most are somewhere in between.

    BB's job is reporting on the violence and corruption going on, and they are doing an amazing work that is very necessary so that people can know and understand the complicated situation, mass media sources in both Mexico and the US are more often than not biased, things get covered up, manipulated to support an agenda or simply not reported at all, BB covers these holes, but you also have to realize that all this is only part of how Mexico is like.

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  16. If drugs were legalized, the kidnapping would end? Que estupidez!! These dogs & their puppies aren't going to go legit. They've already branched out into more dubious crime. All kidnappers/extortioners aren't involved with the cartels. Mexico has a sizable amount of people who are just rotten to their cores and it doesn't help that there is no justice.

    Most of what was New Spain (Mx, Guat, El Sal) for centuries is full of poverty, corruption, and insanity.

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  17. Why can't the drug cartels go back to actually selling drugs? When the bosses get busted do the Capos not know how to keep the money coming? Everyone is a target in Mexico

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  18. I live in Mexico. There is a huge difference between living in the USA and Mexico. I have had successful friends killed, friends now being extorted. Several robbed at gunpoint. Too many unreal bad things to count to be honest. I love Mexico and I am going to stay. But in all my years living in the USA I have not had one of these things happen in all my years there. Just 4 short years here and I have seen two assassinations also, which I have never seen in the USA. I live a clean life and am very responsible and I do not do drugs. So this is not something that is happening because of my lifestyles of the people I know. Unless you feel them being successful is a fault. This is news about what is happening in Mexico on BB. They do a good job. If you want to see people ranting about US crime go to CNN and you can see all you want. But I guarantee you the people that are crossing the border feel much safer in the USA. I do! But like I say, I love Mexico and the common people. My wife is Mexican also. I guarantee you that those complaining and want to hear how good the economy is doing will not come back anymore and read. But there is extreme poverty here in Mexico and the rich look down a lot on the poor. Not all but many do.

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    1. Yo!!! There's extreme poverty in the US too nigga.

      Also, my brother was murdered too.

      Check it, BB glamorizes violence. It's agreed BB , is it a great site!! But be partial and help the cause. Stop adding fuel to the fire.

      Has anybody ever wondered about the audience... Where are all my Mecicans living in Mecico working hard and doing well. Say something...let these folks know '"shit happens""

      Word to the wise, practice caution, don't walk in an alley at 1:30am in the red light district and damn nigga my russian barber was broken into..... That sucks!!

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  19. @4:43
    guilty as charged...
    look at the top "reporting on the mexican drug war."

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  20. @8:06
    so true. I am SMH at many of the comments. In the US I don't know one person that has been kidnapped, in Mexico I know a dozen, only one rescued. I could create a list of encounters of friends, and myself. 2 balaceras in front of my office, one resulted in deaths. before the cdg/z split the plaza boss respected my work, left me alone. after, my therapy centers had to close, after three breakins that took everything, from braille machines to even the copper underground pipes. I cant say anymore. but just because you go into a dangerous area and "nothing" happened does not mean nothing happened, it means nothing happened in the spot you were in, but across town it may be quite a different story. Chances are you will not encounter trouble. but there are an abundance of awesome, wonderful, safe places in Mx to visit why not go there?

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    1. Chivis I definitely respect the work you do here on BB. My wife was born in OJ, Chihuahua and even though OJ is pretty quiet these days she refuses to go back due to the drug violence. We last visited OJ in 2004 and it was a great trip to learn her families history. That was our last trip because the drug violence started to increase. It breaks my heart that she refuses to go back. I doubt it's because she is "Americanized" but rather she is embarrassed to what Mexico has become. She remembers the drug business being low key and she remembers the drug mafioso had a honor code that basically said leave the "citizens" alone. They didn't kill unless it was necessary for business. Her father grew up with many of the old school mafiosos from OJ. Most if not all of them worked for Pablo Acosta Villareal and Amado Carrillo back in he 80's and 90's. She remembers how a lot of the wives and children were sent to the US for protection and the men staying behind to conduct business. She said the drug trade etiquette starting changing in the mid to late 90's because family members were becoming targets for rivals. I read the stories of the other commenters and I realize that thousands of people have lost their life in this war on both sides of the border. And for what? Stay safe out there Chivis.

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  21. To Chivis

    I traveled all over Mexico before the wars. To the smallest pueblos in the mountains. I still go to many of the resorts including Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta and just about all of Baja. I Live in Chihuahua City. I have not been robbed once or had anything happen to me personally. I had a fiend come here from Denver. He would not come back to visit friends and family here because of the violence. We talked him into it about 3 months ago. The first day here he went into the Pharmacia Guadalajara on on calle Ortiz Mena and ave de las Americas. A young guy walked in and put a pistol to his head and took $700 dollars from his billfold. Robbed the rest of the people and the Pharmacy. The police never did show up to take a report. He used to live in Madera. A lot of his old friends there were driven out of their houses and some were burned, and some if the family members were killed that would not leave. All looks peaceful there until someone wants what you have. You just hope you never come into the cross-hairs of a criminal gang. I will continue to travel here, and stay here the rest of my life. But I know where to go, at what time to go, and the do's and don'ts in Mexico. But I am still taking a risk. Many of the restaurants like Apple bee's and more have been robbed by gangs and everyone lost their valuables. This was when they were full of customers. It is a common occurrence in places here. I still here shots going on around the city as I am sleeping in bed at night. The Chollo's jumped my wife's brother and cut his stomach open while robbing him 6 minths ago. Her other brother two weeks ago had was jumped by e chollo's while waiting for a bus early in the morning to go to work at Bafaar. They held a knife to his throat and relieved him of his cell phone and some change. Sorry to hear about your losses. You are a truly great person and I can see in your words and heart that you bring all this to light in hopes of a safer Mexico for the people. Sometimes success can be your demise here in Mexico.

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  22. 9:28
    Thank you for sharing. I smiled about the police not taking a report because it reminded me of my first break-in. this was at my offices I have bodegas behind filled with supplies. These guys broke in and I called the cops they would not come out. I said my neighbors witnessed and my security cameras had the breakin on film. they never came. they bad guys came back the next week, and these guys who worked in the carwash on the other side of my fence saw them, piled in a truck, chased them down and beat the crap out of them, and got our stuff back. Funny thing was I was always scared of the car wash guys. turns out I help one of their kids and I didn't know. at the offices we have never been bothered again. I do love Mexico, it is why I care about BB. It is ignorant to be afraid of Mexico, but also stupid not to be informed.

    Your words are so true. :"All looks peaceful until someone wants what you have". and that's the point, 99% of crime has no accountability, so that in of itself perpetuates crime. there is 99% chance a crime will go unpunished. and my point of being in one neighborhood or part of the city and saying "I saw no crime, it was quiet" means nothing. I am sorry about your wife's brothers.

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  23. "la senora"miranda de wallace is the most corrupt crica in el DF and estado de mexico, together with genaro garcia luna frabricated guilty parties to attain notoriety and she has been accised with marisela morales of stealing rewars for crimnials, she has been accused of being in cahoots with others in the disapparition of her son, who called people and used his credit cards after he disappeared, check "la senora de wallace" , where her victims themselves accuse her of corruption and torture, and of manipulating the police for her own benefit and that of genaro garcia luna...

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  24. @ 4:43 p.m. "It'll be nice if BB puts a plug how the Mexican economy is booming."

    Boy, this meme about the "Aztec Tiger" just won't die, despite all the facts to the contrary:

    Headline May 23, 2014: "Mexican Economy is Not Taking Off; Hacienda Lowers GDP Growth to 2.7%"

    From the text: "Hacienda today cut the growth expectations for Mexico in 2014 from 3.9% to 2.7%.....This confirms that the Mexican economy is not growing as expected, despite a series of economic reforms."

    http://eleconomista.com.mx/finanzas-publicas/2014/05/23/economia-mexico-no-despega-hacienda-rebaja-27-crecimiento-pib

    For the record, economic growth in Mexico with Peña Nieto in the last two years is far below the last two years of Calderón's term.

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  25. I'm running for president of Mexico.

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    1. You might win any idiot can win.

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  26. If they legalize drugs they will find other ways to make money. More kidnappings would happen without a doubt.

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  27. "Why is there so many addicks in the US."

    why is there so many pendejos that can't spell on BB...QUIT HATING ON THE USA

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    1. I didn't go to school.

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  28. Why are there cartels????? Americanos. My friend is the reason.....americanos will trade their wife for a hit of Meth...coke or heroin.........so much fucking money is being sent to Mexico its unreal....


    I THINK YOU ARE JEALOUS OF US! POBRECITO, LA ENVIDIA IS A HORRIBLE AFFLICTION (look up the word)

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    1. Don't defend them so much they will deport you ,they don't care about you.

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    2. I might trade your wife for some cocaine or meth but definitely not mine. Another asinine comment

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  29. Ive been saying this for a long time now, that eventually this wave of violence and corruption would end up affecting the high society assholes in mexico, they live in their own bubble and think that nothing can touch them its as if they lived in an abstract mexico somehow separated from the real mexico, they feel that they actually own the fuckin country, what's going on now is some kind of karma for the ridiculous inequality tha exists in mex, i don't wish them anything bad i am just sayin that just because these people are rich doesn't give them the right to just turn a blind eye to all the injustices and impunity that just keep going on and on, and then turn around and say that mexico is just fucking perfect!

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  30. Interesting. I just finished walking to the CVS at around midnight, alone. And you know what? No kidnappings, no robbery, no bodies hanging from fences or overpasses, no scheduled home invasions to inform the ladies of their impending rapes, and no unsanitary trash bags of body parts strewn about.

    Hate the USA all you want. But US drug dealers & junkies aren't lopping heads, dismembering, or kidnapping everyone and their f**king mother. The police might be a bit crazy but they don't rob you on the roads. You can actually report crimes; for free. Imagine that.

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  31. as a gringo from the great state of califa who has traveled all over Mexico for many years and has seen the transition from independent traffickers (aka hippies and Vets) to the cartels of today, just a couple of things i'd like to point out. # 1 We as in Americanos buy the majority of drugs and send the gun's south.
    # 2 look at the crime rates in any major us city, do you really thinks its much better up here?
    # 3 yes Mexico ruling class is corrupt but so is ours,
    so before we shit on our Amigos down south we need to get our house in order.
    after spending many years surfing up and down the baja and mainland Mexico (si tambien Michoracan) and meeting many expatriates i can say 1 thing for sure. in the USA we might have more rights but in Mexico with out a doubt more freedom. my friends ask me if i'm scared when i travel down here, and I tell them just use your head. would you go into a 7 11 in Oakland of SF after midnight? money and power corrupt on both sides of the River. no hate just the facts.

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    1. Nice comment but u forget ALL governments are corrupt in some shape or form. U are right about the freedoms in Mexico because cartels are exercising their freedom every day. Freedom to rape, murder, kidnap and chop people up with impunity. U are probably right about what u said about the Oakland 7-11 at midnight. The same thing would happen to me at a 7-11 in Vidor, Texas at midnight. I definitely would not get the best welcome from the local KKK chapter. My experience is that if u carry yourself as a someone who can handle their business most punks move to another victim. I remember being hemmed up by a Juarez police officer as 15 year old in 1989. My friends and I had to pay this guy $50 because we walked down the wrong alley at the wrong time. Trust me when I say we were minding our own business and bothering no one. I have yet to find myself in a similar situation in the US or Canada. And I have been to some pretty rough neighborhoods in my day.

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  32. 10:37 not that long ago, there was A LOT of killing, in chile and argentina, it moved all over the south america to colombia, then central america, and guatemala, methodic killing, systematic, nazi style killings, to depopulate the countries of future communist guerrillas, and of course a lot of that killing fueled by the US money and weapons along with training for latin american gorillas, at the school of the americas, the franchise US school of the assassins in latin america; all the murdering done while keeping nice US lifestyles here in the US...
    --now that the cancer has spred to mexico, and mutilated bodies appear more frequently in the US, with white people killing black people and dismembering them into steaks, ( see hickory st. joliet il. murders), the US will be tasting the kaibil style of taking responsibility in your own hands, and don't fucking cry about the off-topics or innocent US being abused or the usual shit, the murdering behaviour of the US in latin america, is coming home to bite the US in the ass, accompanied by drugs and drug addiction...

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    1. These idiots don't want to hear the truth.

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  33. Chivis how do you keep bb running such an excellent blog without funds?

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  34. 2:39
    The cost is time.

    Since Buggs created the project of Borderland Beat, it has been continuing because of volunteers. Most everyone has a close connection to or live/work in Mexico.

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    1. No seas tan culo inteligente buey

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  36. yes the russians would love to deliver alot of weapons to the mexicans to fight the US sponsored and financed mexican SS waffen that do their dirty work, the chinese too, but they are too busy filling orders for the US weapons traffickers to deliver to their cash paying narco-customers from mexico...
    atentamente: the ignorant ass stupid bastard that reams your ass 100% of all the time with just pure wisdom, little girl; go back to your GI joes and barbies...or crying to mama, waaaaaah!!!
    ps: i have never heard of black or mexican painting themselves white to do their crimes, white do it all the time, from boston harbor's tea party to meadow mountain massacre, to ku-klux-klan rallies...
    there you go WHAAAAAAH! MAMMYYYY!

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  37. Mireles has world wide support and protest..research it

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  38. Liberen a mireles!!!!!!

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  39. only midnight cowboys "walk" around dark alleys at night, maybe all night, looking for other brokebacks' business, or money or favours, real men cruise those them alleys in cars, looking for midnight cowboys or brokeback business, or maybe a two dollar crack ho, men with real money have a lot more class, and a car...

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  40. --the ugly behaviour of those in charge of the US foreign policy reflects on the US as a country, you can find thousands of reports anywhere depicting their ugly deeds and abstruse shenanigans.
    --the german people with all their erudite wisdom and better judgement did not have a prayer against the nazi propaganda machine, and went along with the third reich popolitics against their own, by then it was impossible to stop them without a good asswhooping, now the us is suffering from the same delusions of grandeur, misled by american traitors.

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  41. I visited valle de bravo in February 2016. As an american woman traveling alone I took a taxi all the way to valle without incident. Valle is beautiful and the people are kind, generous and even the police returned a smile to me. I am returning this upcoming week, why? Because the danger is the same in America only in mexico is there more kindess and respect.

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