Reporting on the Mexican Cartel Drug War

A Cartel Threatens You Into Recruitment... What Would You Do?

Saturday, September 22, 2012 |

By Chivis Martinez

Mexico's Children of Narco Violence
Ninis of Juarez photo by Dominic Bracco
DD said...”What would you do?”
What would you do? You are a state police officer whose duty is patrolling the highways looking for speeders or drunk drivers. You have been on that job for many years. The worst corruption you have been guilty of is taking a small mordita (bite) occasionally when you stop a speeder. You are parked at one of your usual spots watching for speeders. It is just after dark. Suddenly a black SUV pulls up and parks in front of you. A pickup with it's lights on bright pulls up close behind you. Four men appear at the front windows of your car. One enters the passenger door. He hands you a set of keys and says "this is the keys to the new pickup behind you. If you don't accept this gift, we will kill your wife and daughters in a horrible way" And they call your wife and daughters by name. They tell you all they want of you is a little information from time to time. You will receive a monthly sum of money as a gift to show our appreciation. You have to give us your answer right now. Do you accept our gifts?

This happened to the uncle of my niece's husband several years ago. What would you do in his shoes?"
A BB reader and forum contributor know as "DD" wrote the above comment in the comment thread for my post  titled "My Son is One of Them, But he is a Good Person"
 
DD” is a friend. He is educated, kind, thoughtful and fair. He’s a Texan who years ago along with his wife and son moved to Mexico, her home country.  In both of the Mexican cities DD and I are in, the plaza is governed by the last letter, Z,  or “the letter” as they say in Mexico. We connected through BB, and he is one of two people that I allowed to interact with my office staff, something I just do not do for security purposes. I trust him. His comment compelled me to also weigh in on this topic.
Before my move to Mexico had I been a reader of this post I would have been sanctimoniously blaming the mother, blaming the son, and sure in the conviction that he had choices and his mother has her head wedged in a dark nasty place. 
Drawing from my personal history and  the safe, strong, law and order American society that I grew up in, I would be critical and disbelieving that anyone could be forced into criminal behavior.
When I read this story the faces of the children I have known since they were beginning their lives flooded my memory. I am going to speak to you in general terms, I realize there are exceptions. Mexican parents are just like you, they have dreams for their children of enjoying a better life than that  which they have lived. But the drugwar violence intervened, and now the wish is for them to be exempt from the narco life, stay safe and not have their lives terminated in their youth.
Nine years ago in Mexico, narcos were an off topic between friends, family, and unequivocally never spoken about at school. Life was surreal to me, as no one would speak to me about the narco war, or narco events in our city. If I would bring the topic up, it was met with nervous chuckling and subject went nowhere. Everyone knew who the narcos were, where they lived, some of the activities, most everyone had relationships with a narco, they may be a friend, a family member, or a neighbor. But,  no words spoken.
That was then. 
About 3-4 years ago things changed. Children began openly speaking about narcos. Poor children began aspiring to become a narco, or to marry one. A girl spoke of her dream to be a teacher and was mocked by another “you will be poor, and I rich because I will marry a narco”.
Children began drawing pictures reflecting narcos and their lifestyle. On Dia de Los Muertos, a day to honor the dead, children sometimes dressed in sicario costumes and made altars honoring a dead narco who lived the life. Things became more open.

I was crushed to begin recognizing the faces with the nextels. The sweet-faced babies whose mothers would proudly introduce to me, are now middle school age or younger,  spending their hours on designated spots working as a "halcon" (lookout) for narcos.
About the post. I posted it to see where readers were with this issue. To hear from you and how you feel. The truth is this story could be told thousands of times by thousands of people and it can be 100% true. This story absolutely happens. People, adults and children are forced into criminal activity. If it was a simple offer to be rejected with no penalty, the overwhelming majority of people would do so. But when you family is threatened, your mother, your child, whomever, it is a different game. What would you do? I saw a comment, “they should move from the area” ha! If only that easy. We are talking about people that live in poverty or has an extended family so large it is impossible, you see extended family are not exempt. You disappear, and their lives can pay the penalty. Your refusal is made into an example of what will happen to those that do. 

Allow me to play the devil’s advocate in this story. Lets concede the son in this story was lying, he joined of free will.  Martha loves her son. The son adores Martha. That is evident because he either saved her life or invented the story for Martha to save her the pain of knowing that her son freely chose this path. So, he is a good son in that respect. And why would he choose the threat story? Because he knew she would accept that story, because it is a fact that many young people and adults are recruited that way when the money is not enticing enough.
Are there those that freely choose the criminal life with cartels? Absolutely. Do some children aspire to be a rich narcos and are recruited by their free will? Ditto.
However, many are forced into the life, and in southern Mexico in places like Michoacán when children are age ready, narcos barge into private homes and kidnap young males. Adults in key positions such as police, or media are often targeted.

With respect to those who choose the life, Mexican society and its movers and shakers have done this to themselves. By marginalizing the poor and perpetuating a racial discrimination against Mexicans of Indian ancestry, they have excluded them from an education that has parity with the middle and upper classes. By middle school they become NiNis, I cannot place blame against those that are outcasts of society. Clearly they are culpable for their actions, but the motivator is hopelessness, lack of education, lack of opportunity. In a country with the majority of persons  below the poverty level, the decisions to exclude certain people,  would come home one day to bite society in the ass. 

And it has. NiNis are the biggest pool of recruitment for cartels. Society has made this so simple for cartels to acquire those foot soldiers, the bottom layer, all these young dead bodies you see in photos in the aftermath of a shootout.
El Chapo himself is illiterate. The travelling teacher that visited his town in the sierras stopped going when he was 8 years old, so there too was the end of his education. He is so restricted in reading and writing that while in prison he would dictate his words to another prisoner to write his letters. 
 
This is a gray area issue that is so complicated one can’t explain it in a post, it takes devoting time to the issue and studying it. A fast study is to live among it. I have begun an article about a nini named Carlitos. I met him a construction site, I spotted him as he was struggling to maneuver a wheelbarrow filled with wet cement. He was 13. He was completely illiterate. We began a journey that day that has been astounding. His story is a study in the lost potential of millions of children thrown away by Mexican society, deemed not worthy of an education. It has had its bumps, and near misses, as Carlitos visited his hometown of Monclova for a summer staying with a childhood friend and was almost recruited. He is now back on the educational path with an incredible story about his journey to become educated.

And those children that survive the violence, how will this emotional tragedy manifest itself when they reach adulthood?  Already I have seen children that can turn off emotion completely when describing horrific events.  A young boy from Mier, living in the shelter of San Miguel Aleman, was happy, laughing and playing board games when we asked if anyone would like to speak about Mier.  He was still smiling until he spoke about the night his father was taken "by the bad guys".  He was void of emotion, speaking in monotone when describing the event.  At the end of his interview he was asked "what do you miss most in Mier?"  His face  then reflected a deep sadness when he answered, "my dog".  The children exposed to the violence are not given counseling. These are the children of Mexico's future.

So, as DD asked, “what would you do?”, your life and that of your family are threatened, there is no such thing as calling the police, as the police are also "with them"....I know what you would do, unless of course you are a sociopath, you would go along with the program.  That is my guess.

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105 Borderland Beat Comments:

Anonymous said...

Join.. I would sacrafice myself for my family.. I would rather die myself than have my family butchered... If you say otherwise , your Lying to yourself..

LALO...

Anonymous said...

Con los z`s paso lo que dice el dicho:mas vale malo conocido(CDG)que bueno por conocer(Z`s). los policias son la mayoria de Z`s en accion y siguen hay que saber que hacer no solo que hay que matar tambien a todos los politicos al menos a los que se conoce por corruptos y que todos sabemos quienes son para que cuando vean cuantos han matado se les frunda el fundillo y le piensen antes de hacer un acto corrupto.

Anonymous said...

in that situation,i take the truck, the money, use it to get my family out of there, saver the money to try for asylum in the usa, if that doesn't work, smuggle them in, out of reach of the narcos, then get myself out of there, tough spot to be on, one that Americans or westerners don't understand, because we have choices, they don't, most of the cartel henchmen are expendable, the ones at the top make the real money....

Anonymous said...

old chinese philosophy always save the youngest by any means till death will fight JUNGLE LAW PROTECT YOUR YOUNGSTERS TILL DEATH compliment to author and contributor for well written article very very sensitive subject btw this piece should be shared with major media in the world great work chivis

Anonymous said...

Join them find my way to the top and kill z40 like r1 did to metro3 even though this guy didnt deserved it but 40 does then get rid of kidnapers,extortionist,rapist,etc... Till u get everything under control help poor people with all that money but then thats just my opinion

Anonymous said...

Grow a pair and tell them to go f@#$ themselves! Your a cop, you have a pistol, start shooting!! I'd be damned if they got in my car in the first place!! Besides if they kill you as they say, then how would you even know if they kill your family or not?! It would probably stop there.

Fight to the death so they don't torture you! Or eat your gun! The power is in your hands, keep it there.

Anonymous said...

very well said

Anonymous said...

Every one of these hillbilly 'minutemen' types on this site here simply to point their crusty old fingers at something they hate (Mexico) would be singing corridos in a gstring for cartel lieutenants if they got the plata o plomo ultimatum.

Anonymous said...

Yeah right Rambo. I take it you have never been in a shoot out or probably even a fist fight before. Go jerk off to the Expendables you silly bitch. Hey Chivis, that was a very powerful and well written piece girl. You married ;) - el blanco guy

Anonymous said...

I would do it butt at the same time finish them one by one slowley call it what u want butt someone needs to clean this fuckin cowards of the face off the world why can't chapo invest in some guy that will do anything to get to z40 and then clean his clock come on let's get smart about this war not how kills more people what a fuckin joek

Anonymous said...

@10:22 yeah Run thats a good one too,then you get more stupid asses on here saying"why run,stand and fight like a man" it doesnt matter what story you write up on BB, you always get critics that fkn know everything and got an answer for everything. believe or disbelieve what you want Dumbasses just get out of that bubble you call life.

Anonymous said...

Hey 11:56pm, the question is "what would you do?", not "what do you think about what everyone else says they would do?". Let everyone have an opinion.

Anonymous said...

Can't I answer the question the way I want? Are you too much of a bully to let me speak freely? You've already revealed you would take the money and enlist with them. Is it really that hard to believe that there are still people in the world with real guts and real courage?

Anonymous said...

Very well stated Chivas. Bad guys are everywhere here. It is not an easy decision, there is nowhere to turn for help, nobody to trust. It is so easy, for somebody in the States, to say how macho they would be in that situation. There is an absolute sense of helplessness in Mexico. One just tries to figure out who is who and what is what. I stay straight, but believe me, you figure out who the Payasos/clowns are and you you dance a fine line with them. You play tough enough, to not get punked, but not so tough that you are a threat. You find out who runs the show and you give them respect, they will protect you from the clowns. If shit gets ugly, hopefully they will remember you, because, only the Mafioso, can call off the dogs-..everybody, I mean everybody, answers to the Mafiosos.

Anonymous said...

I`ll bet theres a hundred people writing a reply here going "oh I would kill them all, fight like a man". In that sitation 9 out of 10 people would be so scared they would agree to pretty much anything, and then they would look for a clean pair of underwear. And that is understandebal, its death looking you right in the eye forcing you to make a decision.

Personally, I would have to take the bribe and play along. Then desperatly try to get my family out of there, we would have to run. Of course I could fight back but my family would need me alive and fighting this is suicide.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday I stopped to help a broken down motorists in Washington State. It just happened to be 3 Mexican makes and 3 females... I was speaking with the males, they were in there 20's, I asked what they thought about what was happening with the cartels in Mexico and they all replied in unison, "That is why we are here, we are scared!"... I was able to get their vehicle running for them and we all shook hands, I wrote down the URL to BB for them and they were on their way...

Texpatnmx said...

Chivis, Absolutely love the article!! After reading the comments on last nights article I wondered how long it would take you to respond ;)

Having lived in the US all of my life I was guilty of being one of those that said "just say no, fight back"....now after having lived in Mexico I see things the way they really are. My eyes have been opened!

I can now understand how it can be impossible to say no and how so many people get forced into working for the cartels.

If given the choice of "plata or plomo"...I would take the plata...whatever it takes to keep my family alive.

Texpatnmx said...

Chivis, Absolutely love the article!! After reading the comments on last nights article I wondered how long it would take you to respond ;)

Having lived in the US all of my life I was guilty of being one of those that said "just say no, fight back"....now after having lived in Mexico I see things the way they really are. My eyes have been opened!

I can now understand how it can be impossible to say no and how so many people get forced into working for the cartels.

If given the choice of "plata or plomo"...I would take the plata...whatever it takes to keep my family alive.

Anonymous said...

Whers chivo at with his bullshit "all narcos must die by any means necesary" that kind of mind state is not a solution to the problem it is a part of the problem. Marganilizing the people. Ex. Its easy to comment on a sports game and what a player should do or should have Done when you are watching the game from your couch and have never played that sport. And from the other side it is hard to see the picture when your in it.

Anonymous said...

What we fail to realize and the person on the that predicament fails to realize, is that this question or situations like these have plague humanity thru out history. Individuals thru out history have always chosen the path or less resistance or risk, events like the holocaust were brought about the same individual of self preservation and non resistance to the flow of morality. One of the major comparisons for the current social deterioration of Mexico and be compare to the prohibition ear in the US, the same or comparable climate was cultivated, corruption was rampant in most social circles, criminal were glorified and institutions were mostly marginalized. Only the combine fear of collected groups of individuals prevailed, not in the conquest of the illegal, but in the admission of self preservation of a governmental system. For the question to have a logical respond, the concept of self sacrifice should be a moral attribute ingrained to the population. Only then will the answer acquired from said individual would be of free will.

Anonymous said...

Don't be gullible cómpa traitors are treated as rabies dogs they are no safer in U.S look up how many cross border murders theirs been in all states

Anonymous said...

It amazing to see people be so cocky, they would fight and shoot and just be incredibly tuff. You`re alone in a car, in the dark, and you`re up against two cars with at least 4 people, could easily be 5 or 6 total. And you can assume they are all heavily armed. So its one guy against 4-6 armed guys on a dark stretch of road. Unless you are Chuck Norris just forget the cockyness, you`d piss your pants and get killed.

Anonymous said...

I personally know a few mexican families from reynosa and monterrey who have been threaten for money from their businesses and they went into hiding for a while.

So of course if you don't have a big extended family and you just have close family in that state you can vanish and never return.

Anonymous said...

i would join learn go undercover when the give me my ak and pistols and send me on a mission the i use that ak and pistol take everyone out related to that drug cartel that forced me get in and pocket all the money around get my family the fuck out and find out all the cell location and go to military check point explain my situation and what i did and hope i can join military units and fight the scum bags i would be useful to them cause i was appart of them or die trying

:. taco .:

Anonymous said...

Fuckig simple: stop reproducing,

Anonymous said...

LMAO...Ok you have the guts & courage so let us all see you gather a few of your courageous buddies and wipe out the drug cartel gangsters...Now dont say "It's none of your business" cause you are making it your business by stating you are a tough guy and the others are pussies plus you can take on the gangsters on your own(Become an Icon & an Example to everyone that common people can fightback against the drug cartels without fear) OR Shut Up And STOP BRAGGING LIKE A GASBAG...A Coward Always Barks Loudly And Then Runs For Cover At The First Sign Of A Fight...Keep Barking & Let Us All Laugh At The JOKE That YOU ARE....LMAO

Anonymous said...

Why are these rednecks a bunch of stinking farts & S*#t? ...Ooops I just let out a redneck from my arse & man it stinks...Gotta go and use the washroom to let out the rest of the rednecks and flush them down the toilet...Bye.

Anonymous said...

You know this article makes me remember alot of.Mexico ,and is not like people.picture Mexico ,Mexico is like heaven ask any one visiting they LOVE IT!. Yesnarco stuff happen but mostly on poor areas. Just like ghettos in the usa ,the hood is full of gats ,dealers, hoodlooms. I know cuz i live in one ,each week i hear shootouts. Yesterday i heard a few shots go off. N thesis just.my block. This shit happens in every hood in any block . So i picture .Mexico and i don't think.it.can be worst then it is in the hood . Because each day we have to be on alert. But Mexico has.more fire power because lets face it is easier to get guns of high caliber in Mexico cheaper. Here in the us is also easy but u can only acquire 9,45, 38 and 22 easy trust me.
But back to the main topic.
Each time i think of.going back to Mexico i.play that scenario in my head. What if i get kidnap how wouldn't react tho, what if im forced to work for them. And there is no easy answer. HAVING THE EXPERIENCE OF BOTH MEXICO AND USA ,I CAN SAY THE USA IS THE ONE GIVING.THE BAD INFLUENCE IN MEXICO . BECAUSE ALL THE DEPORTEES AND MEXICAN AMERICAN KIDS GO TO MEXICO WITH THE AMERICAN MENTALITY ,MAKE A QUICK BUCK, BANG AND ACT RECKLESS BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMERICAN LIFE STYLE. ASK ANY.MEXICANS.HOW AMERICAN KIDS FUCKED UP MEXICO ,AND SINCE THEY ARE FREE TO GO BSCK N.FORTH THEY ARE MOSTLY.THE RUTHLESS KILLERS ON MEXICO.
JUST A OPINION OF A PERSON WHO KNOWS REALITY AND WHO HAS KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. IS JOT ALWAYS DRUGS N WEAPONS IS THE.MENTALITY WE TEACH AND SHOW KIDS.
MEXICO THY WANT TO BE NARCOS
IN USA EVERY ONE WANTS TO BE A HUSTLELER AND A THUG.

Anonymous said...

I would join them, pretend I'm the most loyal while moving my family to an entire different part of the country and then once everyone is safe then I would go to one of our stash houses and kill the guys guarding it and never be seen again. Maybe flip on them if I made it to the US in exchange for citizenship.

Anonymous said...

Join, u have to. Then plan your next moves for future times, remember keep your enemys close before you act.

Anonymous said...

Yeah but youre not one of them haha

Anonymous said...

Excellent,EXCELLENT,Chivis

Anonymous said...

Don't kid yourselves, this has more to do with greed than fear. Some on this post are writing a justification. I would rather be dead than cowtow to the narco bastards. Call me psycho, I don't care, but they will not win with me, even if we die. There is some characteristic which is endemic in the Mexican culture which hat awakens when the allure of easy money and bravado are dangled before them. This isn't 100% across the board, but there is a latent characteristic in many. Go to the Dept of Homeland Security website. Near the bottom of one of their pages they have a wall of shame where corrupt officials have been branded. Note the lack Caucasian or black officers there. Note the abundance with Mexican descent. Caucasian officers heavily outnumber those with Latino heritage, and yet look at the posting... A serious lack of whites and blacks. So yeah, this is a cultural thing that can be fought by standing up to bullies in addition to curbing any inner demons or cultural inclinations.

DC said...

Great article and very real dilemma.

However, how do you explain the "glorification" of the Narco culture now in Mexican society?

Is the US responsible for that? I hear alot rail on about our insatiable drug habit, but last I checked, the whole world has a drug habit, America just happens to be closest geographically.

Anonymous said...

Of course you have to say yes but you have to be smart about it. You have to watch for opportunities when you get one of them alone to be ready to kill them and then dispose of the one you've killed. In the meantime get your family out of there with the money you're making. Don't do anything stupid and when you get your chance split.

Anonymous said...

10:27 AM
You cannot say that,that is not politically correct.If you Mexican,you can say it.But i am caucasian,i cannot say it ?

Anonymous said...

Ya take out the cartel by yourself and steal their money...what are you smoking you have no common sense.

Anonymous said...

Heyo Americano Rambo...Go boy whip the cartels...Cheerleaders will be cheering for you while you at your job whipping the cartels or getting whipped by them & hopefully they make a video of you getting sliced up...Go on boy, make a move if you are a so self claimed tough guy Rambo...'Here goes Rambo to Mexico'.

Anonymous said...

Here's the facts: you greedy fucks would take the bribe under any circumstances.you did all along (long before calderon) and now It's gotten to this!! Save the bullshit and stop trying to justify it.once you accept the bribe you also accept the consequences.

Anonymous said...

Look at the psycopaths throughout history...There are no asians, blacks or hispanics but only whites...I guess it is in the white man's (caucasian) genes to commit murders for pleasure...even the shooting of innocents by deranged buggers in the US of A are commited by whites...This proves white people are mentally unstable.

Anonymous said...

how about this; i went to carls jr. fast food burgers in new laredo mx. met this guy that he mistake me with someone else he apologized pay for my meal he went on his way i left the place two block away from the fast food place out of nowhere three guy draw me put a rag in my face in threw me on a car drive me out of the city and beat me like hell and asked me things i dint know after some time they realized that got the wrong guy so one of the pull his gun put in my head and toll me if i wanted to die i told him no right away with out think and gave 200 us dollars and told me to no say anything to the police that was in 2003 . i went to the hospital and the when I was there they asked me what happen I said that i got into a fist fight but the sorry ass news paper put me in on of its news and stared receiving calls that they knew my whereabouts and they will kill me this time for go with the news paper...... my point is unless you are a real bad ass you will fight if you have something to defend your self and family but if you dont you end it up taken the brief as i did for fear, I live in washington now.... just wish one day i can go back

Anonymous said...

u know something im 26 years old and live in fearle$$ california i grew up with my family and friends around drug activity... I have gone through lots of pains emotionally and mostly mentaly. I have done mostly everything in life even cheat dead but thanks to that i have a fearle$$ attitude of everything even on family and friends IF IT HAPPENDS SO LET IT BE AND IF IT COMES BACK TO YOU IT WAS ALWAYS YOURS FROM THE BEGINNING.... NEVER FEAR DEATH BECOMES THAT ALWAYS HOLDS US BACK... ITS MEANT TO BE.. GOD CHOOSES U AND U CANT AVOID IT... I KNOW POLICE OFFICERS, MOBSTARS, GANGSTERS, AND HEAVY WEIGHTS THAT KNOW CHAPO AND MAYO EL CHAYO AND ETC... I GUESS I BLESS... MY LIFE HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HELP OTHERS RIGHT NOW IM GOING TO SELL MY 14K GOLD CHAIN TO GO TO THE MUSEUM... I SEE IT THIS WAY IM LETTNG GO OF MY 14K GOLD CHAIN TO BUY A 24K GOLD ONE DAY.... IM FOLLOWER OF EL CHAYO HOW HE HELP OTHERS NOT SURE IF THATS ALL TRUE ABOUT HIM HELPING OTHERS BUT HE DID HELP ME.... MENTALLY I HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALOT$$$$$$$ SO MUCH I WANTED TO KILL MY SELF THANKS TO MY SO CALL FRIENDS AND FAMILY 4 NOT HAVING FAITH IN ME.... MONEY BUYS EVERYTHING BUT LOYALTY AND THATS ME A LOYAL MOTHAFUCKER... PEOPLE THINK IM CRAZY YEAH IGUAL QUE EL CHAYO... NEVER AVOID ANYTHING CONFRONT IT... U TAKE MY KID OK SIGN ME A CONTRACT WHERE IT SAYS HERE THAT IF MY KID DIES OR ETC... I WILL KILL YOUR MOM AND DOG AND I WANT IT IN LESS THAN 24HRS U WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE THEIR OWN SICARIOS WILL SEE ESTE GUEY NO TIENE HUEVOS HE IS A FRONT SOON THEIR LOYALTY WILL DESOLVE AND SO IF CAPOS HAVE LOTS OF MONEY WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO BY THEMSELFS KILL 6 OR 9 PEOPLE IF TOPS BUT ONE DAY SOMEONE WILL PROBABLY KILL HIM FOR A FAVOR... FAVOR CON FAVOR SE PAGA THATS WHY IM PROBABLY STILL HERE IN FRONT OF THIS COMPUTER OR MOSTLY GODS PLAN... LO QUE MEXICO OCUPA ES NEW ERA... NUNCA HAY QUE PERDER LA FE. GRACIAS

CarreteraDurangoMazatlan said...

The US is responsible for the lucrative nature of the business because we as a country and per capita basis have more descretionary money for recreational drugs than any other country, and we've had an insatiable appetite that will always insure people (rather Mexican, American, Canadian, etc) will bring America what it's eager to pay for. Simple economics....large population with money and demand = profits for entrepreneurs willing to take the risk.

Can you imagine the revolts and blood baths in the streets of the US if the American Government really did have the inclination and ability to cease all narcotics entering the country??? The US government does too so they try to control street prices here just like Mexico tries to control who owns what plaza....each trying to line their pockets first, the trying to keep the people employed and the violence to a minimum. From Portillo to Calderon, or Nixon to Obama - the game is still the same.

Anonymous said...

Man,you wouldn't believe some of the shit that gets wrote on here?We got heros who never been in a fight of any kind,never any kind of violence,but they gonna start killing narc gunmen?
You can hear them"no one gonna tell me what to do"
are you gonna"peal a cap in their ass"99.9% of fuckers on here would shit bricks and join them.
A crew turn up with guns,one dude with an AR,"you gonna work for us spotting authorities and tell us where they go,or we gonna fuuuck you up""Err,ok,shall i use the nextel you just gave me"No bitch use pigeons?

Anonymous said...

Viva la Sierra de Durango!!!!!! Y que vallan a la riata los gringos!!! Muerte a Los Z y Que viva El Senor de la Sierra!!!!! Pinches racistaz que Nomas quieren chingar a mi Gente aqui se la comen!! Lo que queremos es juntar feria para largarnos de aqui.

Anonymous said...

What I find most hilarious is, I think the action hero wannabes here really believe they would take on the whole cartel. In reality, if a cadre of sicarios walked into a restaurant they happened to be sitting in, the tough guys in here would be looking for a table to hide under. Hell, a week ago when that blogger was killed, all these tough guys were scared to death that their info would be released or exposed. No shame in admitting you're scared of a group of killers with millions and millions of dollars and a Gov't behind them.

Persia Rising said...

Chivis, this is a great article! I've posted it around at some forums for cops here in the States. I'm looking forward to hearing what they think.

As for me? I've sat their running radar and can picture the scenario stated very clearly. I'd be scared, no doubt. I never had extended family where I worked so I could always leave and probably would if I could. Otherwise, they only keep coming for more and more info and eventually they probably want an action done on something somewhere. No, I'd walk from the job and try selling tacos or something. I mean, how long is it before you get targeted by their rivals?

Being an honest cop in Mexico today? Impossible. I don't know where this ends but its a damn, damn, damn shame.

Anonymous said...

Silly Girl...

Anonymous said...

Crazies come in all cultures. No one holds a monopoly. Certain strains of criminal behavior, however, seem to propagate and thrive in their own region. Mexico has the Narco Lord religion and beheadings, the Arab world has their Islamofascist terror loonies and beheadings, white Americans seem to like to work hard and succeed at life, and play bt fair rules. Yes... Each culture has its own characteristics.

Anonymous said...

Mexican cops have always been expected to be corrupt. I do not believe that this one only took a small bribe from a speeder. He took bribes and he accepted that others took bribes. He assumed (as others do) that if everyone kept silent, looked the other way and ignored the greater implications of such behavior and attitudes, that all would be well.

Guess what? All did not remain well. All got many times worse. We have the Mexico of today because every Mexican made the same assumptions and ignored what they personally were doing to Mexico and Mexican society.

Chivis guesses that I would go along with the narcos and accept their bribes and provide them with information in order to stay alive. Sooner or later the information I provide will result in an innocent person's death.

Then, to survive emotionally, I must profoundly rationalize my behavior i.e. I did it to save myself/my family; i didn't know they would kill; it's the PRI's fault, it's Calderon's fault, it's the gringos fault, etc. But I'm lying to myself and I know it and there is no place to hide. I'm already dead and I say "ni modo" a lot.

Anonymous said...

Mr American Rambo if you have the guts & courage let us all see that you start doing some investigative journalism on drug cartels because blogging on drug cartel activities requires courage & guts...But knowing a gasbag bragger like you I can confidently say " You are a pussy & gutless loud mouth who dare not blog against the drug cartels, leave alone picking a gun to confront them"...Very correctly stated by someone that "You Are A Joke".

Anonymous said...

The world will not leave you alone. Either leave Mexico or fight back.

Find the cop or cops killing narcos. Join them and start killing the bad guys. Any bad guys from halconcitos to plaza bosses. Get as many as possible.

Then leave Mexico. Trust no one.

Anonymous said...

We in the USA have not stood up to our thug problem. What gives us the right to say or do anything about any other country's equivilant? Ever since the birth control pill in 1960, cheaters can do whatever they want and our families are falling apart. No wonder the drug use went up!!! Free love is an oxymoron. The real problem in America is the family! No faithful trust and love is left, so I think gangs and mafia is what a lot of these young ones want instead. MISTAKE! Yes but they don't know that REAL LOVE AND RESPECT is EARNED by having CHARACTER and not being a character. One man and one woman for life, period. Verguenza por Dios.

Anonymous said...

If you were a cop in Mexico, you would have to realize for a start that one day you're going to get killed. Are there any 50 year old cops in Mexico? Even before you decide to be a cop, you should get your family out because you know one day it's going to go down - just a question of when. Having decided that you have to decide whose side you're going to be on - are you going to let them pick you or are you going to pick them? Personally I would try to organize a vigilante death squad and kill as many fuckers I could knowing that I am going to get killed eventually.

Chivis said...

@Persia Rising..
Thank you for your kind words. It is a complicated issue, but an important one.

I am interested in knowing what police officers think. If you get any feed back I would like to read it..paz, Chivis

Anonymous said...

"Why are these rednecks a bunch of stinking farts & S*#t? ...Ooops I just let out a redneck from my arse & man it stinks...Gotta go and use the washroom to let out the rest of the rednecks and flush them down the toilet...Bye."

Why was this posted? It has absolutely NO redeeming value.....None....

Anonymous said...

Lolololololo uve been through a lot huh? Haha I bet none of them was a college level English class lol I hate it when pussies make comments on how badass they are. Pssh "I almost killed myself " that's the smartest thing you said lol stfu ok buddy. I bet you don't pay taxes or have a job.

Anonymous said...

I don't know a lot about the situation - I'll readily admit that. But it seems to me that when you have huge sectors of the poor in a country that is very rich - when you have billionaires who have so much and pay so little tax that there is so little going to the government that you have a city of what... 4 Million? like Juarez protected by 1,000 police (I saw a BBC video where this number was sighted as the number of replacements available after the force was sacked. In NYC, we have twice the number of people as Juarez, but THIRTY FIVE times the number of police) this is a problem of the government being more beholden to the desires of billionaires to keep their cash than to the needs of the people for security.

Bad people will always be there, but when good people have no way to resist them - be it going to the police, forming militias for protection, what can anyone expect?

Look, how many jobs does Carlos Slim provide and at what pay as does el Chapo? How many schools has the wealth of Carlos Slim built compared with the CDS? Not that these are heros - though to many they are and with good reason - but they fill a role in society that the government, the oligarchs, and the church all refuse to fill.

Just as the government threatens with prison and can draft your children into war - so can the narcos because they offer cash and a way out of poverty which the government absolutely refuses to do.

I think it is time for the world to face it - this neoliberal/neoconservative style of governing is destroying societies across the globe. The government thinks it can pull out of society and leave it to the selfish desires of the powerful, we will only see more and more combat, more and more fighting, decaying infrastructure, and collapsing communities.

Society must have a place to turn for protection and for education. And this public space has to have its outlines decided by those who are participating in it. This is a democracy with a strong state able to limit the worst of human behavior while enhancing and encouraging the best. Without this we just face what we have seen during the last decade in Mexico - anarchy, warfare, and people left to face lives in which there are no good decisions.


Anonymous said...

Ok so now us kids are Fucking up Mexico?!!?!? Haha ok so how weak is your country you.can't Fuck up a few teenagers I guess these kids are the ones that killed the 60,000 dead in Mexico huh!? Your a Fucking dipshit you should be castrated.

Anonymous said...

"Americans seem to like to work hard and succeed at life, and play bt fair rules. Yes... Each culture has its own characteristics."

This is such a bunch of horse crap. There is nothing special about American society except that of our history - our country has always been in control of it's own destiny since it won independence. It has a strong democracy which means the people have been able to demand attention and protection and the fulfillment of its needs and desires.

Contrast this to Mexico, which has been under the rule of various countries and dictatorships, ignoring the will of the people and leaving most of society to the wolves while the few become disgustingly rich.

Your comment is just No. It is complete nonsense. Just as American society has seen periods of chaos and war, things can change. To suggest that some cultures are just meant to be doomed due to their "characteristics" while others are blessed, is not only to show a shocking ignorance of the trajectories of history, but is also flat out racist.

Mexico needs some leaders who will take all the people into account and work for them, not just leave them to the tender mercies of the rich landowners, the military warlords, or the narcos.

Anonymous said...

And by the way, when I say people in the US have been able to demand attention and protection, I don't mean in a weak way like "oh, protect us!" But in the way that people in a democracy can control their own futures and circumstances - not "oh protect us!" but more like "Okay, let's plan what we need to do to protect ourselves, and collect the resources and carry out the plan we all agreed to and voted on."

Anonymous said...

Spot on, to a point. Unfortunately the author and bloggers alike are contracting the situation at hand. It's agree the secret code in Mexico is to turn a blind eye. Stay quiet. Just like proabition period in USA , it was known who had the moon shine but no one said shit. But a nod, a simple nod, a "what's up" can get you liqour.. The story about the highway patrol, I'm sorry but turning an eye, giving a friendly nod or a "what's up" put him in a jam. Especially a morida , ceervada, or a bribe. That's crookade, corrupt shit and no wonder they had their sights on him. On a personal note, in from the west coast during the 90's gang violence. Say no to drugs, take the long way home. That's bull shit. But if your cool with a gangster, associate with one as a long time homie, smoke a blunt, or a nod. It's sad and unfortunate but its a secret brotherhood, you're in.They know you. You cant let your hood , friend or even a relative down. And that putos is the current state of mexico.
So any leo in Mexico that's takes a bribe cross a line. And is one of them. So my man the cop mentioned knew what he was in and was cool with it. He may of been force but his prior actions put him in that spot.

Last note, it's not fair to compare an indigenous native mexican from the hills to a cop. As indicated, an "Indio" is poor and not educated. Has nothing but illusions of grandeur . But a cop, c'mon man he has a bit of education, took an oath to protect and serve. And even has an income, may not be a sick income but it's a job. Shit I hate my job but I'm not going to give my neighborhood motherfuckers an inclination I'm down. Asi es pinche huevons maricons putos. Pela me cabrones.

Anonymous said...

Ive been shot by assholes similar to these but i survived obviously. My answer is let the fuckers have it! Id take a mordita outta their asses before they ended me. I wouldnt have even given them the chance to open their mouths. Before you go sayin ignorant shit like im some redneck armchair rambo, let me say my grandfather was born in mexico, ive been visiting since i was a kid with my mom, i love it and im proud of it. Yes ive survived many violent encounters, been in the middle of gun battles (in the military and out also) But if you are a cop in mexico, you know what you are potentially getting yourself into. My uncle quit for that reason. Now hes poor but he says its better than bieng dead or having bad shit on your conscience. God bless

Anonymous said...

Actually most Mexicans who aren't in law enforcement do say no. Why do Los Zetas need to break hundreds of prisoners from ceresos in Nuevo Laredo, Apodaca and now Piedritas? Why do cartels need to recruit Central Americans? Why do former municipales, estatales and federales make up much of all the cartel hierarchies. The answer is because the vast majority of Mexicans would never allow themselves to be recruited. In cities like Nuevo Laredo the majority of all citizens perform daily acts of heroism and courage to continue living under the shadow of Los Zetas. For every poor chavalon who becomes an halcon or runs with a street gang there are hundreds who would never submit. For every female sicaria there are thousands of young women who choose to work for low wages in the maquilas. Even in these times the chances are higher that you will be victimized and extorted by police than by organized crime. For every thug in an estaca there are hundreds of poor young men who prefer the life of a poor albanil. There is no dignity in poverty but the miracle is that most people who live in these conditions have character enough to say no. Its the same in barrios and ghettos in the U.S., and the majority of poor whites aren't tweekers. So to answer the melodramatic question posed by the author, most people living in Mexico would say no. Even 72 central Americans had the courage to say no, remember? The situation in Mexico exists because a corrupt political class and police establishment rules a sham democracy. Mexican culture is conservative in nature and that explains to a large degree why the people have not risen in arms. Also the still living memory of a revolution that occurred 100 years ago and led to the death of up to 10% of the population may have something to do with a fatalistic acceptance of life while they work to bring change.






Anonymous said...

Man u guys really dick ride the cartel. you should run off an join if ur so quick to answer. maybe if we had more rambos and less pussys, Mexico wouldn't be in this mess

Anonymous said...

Great job once again chivis. I can’t say nor can anyone that has not lived the life in mexicos violence and corruption answer what we would do. Who to call for help? When many who wear uniforms are also with “them”? calling for help is like Russian roulette. It is like a horror movie come to life.

Chivis said...

@10:35PM....sorry i have to respond to your comment. You are so wrong. Prison breaks are not uncommon in Mexico, and the one in PN was not the largest, it is about control. They may wanted to free certain members perhaps, but they do it because they can and with 12 guards without weapons who assisted the escape it is a no brainer.

to say that most say no is oblivious to the facts. Don't beleive what the state officials claim in coahuila nothing that spills from their lips is fact, they are actors and are on "the payroll"....paz, chivis

Anonymous said...

A few American idiots dont seem to understand the essence of the article and what the blogger is trying to put forth....Instead of saying that people should necome Rambos, understand and comprehend what the author is conveying and that is "Poor And Downtrodden People Tale To Crime Cause they are Deprived Of Education & Basic Standards Of Living and this compels them to become crimnals in order to survive and then there is no turning back as Society wont accept them into the main stream and over a time these elements idolize the Capos and try to emulate them...It is a Cancer that keeps biting & destroying the basic fabric of society as we see the example of people getting kidnapped, intimidated or bribed to support these crimnals...Goverments & Society need to work together in providing education and basic standards of living to the downtrodden and hopefully we all can reduce criminals and crime. Crime in all manifestations is a Global malady"...Understand the gist of the article instead of trying to comment like a bunch of brain less gassbag gun fodders.

Anonymous said...

Thought provoking and insightful commentary Chivis.

I'd have to choose life. I'd have to join.

I think the only way out of this mess is to arm all Mexican citizens. Then they can protect and police themselves.

Anonymous said...

You dumb American always justify the shortfalls and ills of your society by blaming others...lol...Psycopaths do the killing for pleasure not as a form of retribution as other gangsters and terrorist do the killings...Stupid dork you lost the plot and seem to go on another tangent...Psycopaths kill for pleasure whereas gangsters and terrorist kill for retribution and to spread fear...Dumb ass can't understand the difference...Some of you Americans are paragons of stupidity.

Anonymous said...

This has got to be one of the best comments if not the best i have read on here.

Anonymous said...

Its weird that I notice that not anyone has asked what a "Ni-Ni" is... which is central to this story...considering what the state of the Mexican economy is and what is considered "full employment" there.

The US's "full employment" is still considered to be 6% unemployed (thus, we are 2% over "full employment" right now; which isn't too bad [vis-a-vis]). And the US's economy is going to get better; once we get thorough the glut of homes on the market. Blue collar construction work will stabilize again.

What about blue collar work in [agrarian] Mexico? Anyone know what "full employment" is there?

So now, what do all those that wanna "kill the dept of ed" think of what the US can become if we have kids with a future as Ni-Nis?



Of course, (as many of commenters here insist) we all know that its really the fault of those useless parents that just need to go to church and read Horatio Algiers. Then pickup a gun an go around killing people until the whole problem gets fixed.

Anonymous said...

10:35 PM Sept 23,

I really got something out of what you wrote. And it was an encouraging read.
.

Anonymous said...

Learn how to spell your type of name "pussies " and not "pussys". ..LOL...Got it American pussy from a family of pussies.

Anonymous said...

Yup man your American jobless claims are at it highest...You bet very hardworking jobless buggers...Hardworking and honest people are found in every country and not just the US of A. As such you idiots don't know about other countries and their culture therefore can't expect an educated conversation from an ignorant retarded like you..I bet you don't even know the history of your own country therefore it's like asking a Dodo to have some knowledge bout other countries which you don't.even

Anonymous said...

"The worst corruption you have been guilty of is taking a small mordita (bite) occasionally when you stop a speeder."

This is the root of the problems in Mexico. A culture of corruption. Don't be supprised with what you get.

Anonymous said...

The Rednecks flew into the cuckoo's nest...LOL (Very Apt)

Anonymous said...

Blood is thicker than water. Assuming all of them are murderers is jumping to conclusions of the worst kind, as is assuming the law is always right.

Anonymous said...

September 23, 2012 1:44 PM
"Hell, a week ago when that blogger was killed, all these tough guys were scared to death that their info would be released or exposed"
Man,that is so true,the Mundo Narco admin,i remember writing on here"get a fuckin grip"all these idiots were shittin themselves"what,they can get our IPs"fuckin funny.Now their balls have dropped back down,their back to normal talkin shit about how they would stand up to cartel hitters"i would get a gun and shoot them"Remember and think about these subjects before you run your mouths about what you would do if cartels came calling as they did on some of these people.It is not black and white.

Anonymous said...

@10:35 , thats a real cute sentiment you have there. All that "never surrender, remember the Alamo" shit is good for action movies and fund raisers, but reality is much colder. Whoever's fault it is, the cartels run as a parallel government in parts of Mexico. They will kill you if you refuse to work for them. And they will kill your family for target practice if the thought crosses their mind or their lips. People like yourself live in a cowboy and Indian fantasy land. You have delusions of gallantry because you have never been close to the sordid reality of the underworld in the third world. Take a trip to Nuevo Laredo or Matamoros. Witness the impunity and then come back and continue spouting your haughty good citizen bullshit if you are dumb enough to keep that rationale. You fool.

Anonymous said...

Let me ask.you something quick ,have you checked how many young american/Mexican kids have been.caught in Mexico doing sicario jobs? Clearly.you haven't. In.Mexico.theybhate chicanos. Why? Because they all want.to be hustlelers like we see on.the block..my man i live in the ghettobin.Mexico ,i was bprn.there. i also.came to.the states and.i live in.the ghetto. I Know what im talking about.
just ask.any little nigga they all want to be hustlelers habe.chains,money ,bitches,.cars, but specially have a rep.
NOW lie to Me! And.trll me.whatbive.wrote is.not reality.
if they do it in these streets n barely.get caught.
for thembin mexico is heaven.
Not saying.all american kids but the ones.,majority have that fucked up mentality. And.you and.any.one reading.this.cannot denied such claims.
IT REALITY PEOPLE ,WE.NEED TO.CHANGE.OUR.KIDS.MENTALITY THE AMERICAN MATERIALISTIC.MENTALITY.
BECAUSE.WE MEXICANS HAVE.MORE PRIDE N.CULTURE AND MOST.OF ALL ETHICS. NOT ALL BUT MAJORITY. WE RATHER BE DISHWASHERS.THEN BE SLANGERS..NOW ASK.THAT TO A AMERICAN KID 99% of.them would rather slang and bang then.work 10 hours..day for.minimum wage.
REALITY CHECK AMERICA ,IS A.FUCKING.REALITY CHECK.
AND GUESS WHAT TRUTH HURTS

Anonymous said...

The americans do.do genocide, it s Called WAR ON.DRUGS,WAR ON TERRORISM ,WAR ON RELIGION. OUR White leaders are.the ones.calling.the shots wearing.a.suit but like always people defend what they cannotprocess.or.failt to.acknowledge because other wkse theyl look bad.

Anonymous said...

Is not like that always ,majority of people get.killed for actually doing something stupid which involves traffickera sicarios also not paying extortion but is less for nt j.
J. People in Mexico cherish people who refuse to join and even.people working as sicsrios would tell you im proud you haven joined us. But to white fucks who never been in areal harsh situation, who nebr been harrased by color,backgroud nor have live because they must in a fuckd up area would never.understand this situations ,but only use what thei brain allows.them to process. Reality my friends reality . The world is not blacl.and.white ,its come complex then that so easy to understand yet, so hard to comprehend.

Anonymous said...

Its pretty fkn simple guys and girls,u take the bribe or your brains get splattered all over the fkn interior of your vehicle......as simple as that,remember half these thugs loaded with meth, there itchn for you too say no. fkn heroes,they all die.

Anonymous said...

@ 11:22pm very well dead,now we can go and rape his missus and sell the children or whatever the cartel wanna do,good idea rambo,what sbout your family?

Anonymous said...

i see a lot of racism here "Why are these rednecks a bunch of stinking farts & S*#t? ...Ooops " .

Anonymous said...

If our country sucks so.bad why do you pieces of shit sneak in?!! Because obviously our country has resources and MONEY.!!! SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHERE YOUR IDIOT ASS GREW UP I CAN TELL YOU DON'T HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION!!! PSSSH GOOD LUCK RECYCLING CANS YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT!!!! THIS BETTER BE PRINTED I WANT YOUR DUMB ASS TOO SEE THIS!! BTW I'M NOT WHITE!! AND CLAIM RACISM WHEN YOU SAID THE WORD NIGGER YOUR DAMN SELF YOU FUCKING TURD!!!

Anonymous said...

Too bad they didn't end your shit.

Anonymous said...

I don't think there is any doubt that 99% of the individuals in this not-so-hypothetical situation would take the bribe and choose to live. I know I would. So long as there's life there's hope, and choosing to end my life, or that of my loved ones, for some abstract notion of situational honor is simply not rational. I know what some of the posters here argue, that if you give corruption an inch, soon it will take your life, anyway. But we are talking about drugs, which are governed by policies and laws that are not rational. Sacrifice for that?
Another thing that is implied in the scenario, that is obvious to people who live or have lived in Mexico, but not so obvious to U.S. readers is that a cop in the situation described here is ALONE. He cannot trust his superiors, his fellow officers, institutions outside the cop shop. Unlike U.S. cops, he cannot call the FBI or the State or Federal Attorney Generals' organized crime bureaus to look for a way out. He does this in Mexico, and he will be dead before he leaves work that day.
One factor that nobody mentions, probably because it is so obvious, is that Mexican cops, despite their power and authority, are sitting ducks in this situation. Think guerilla warfare-- the next normal, harmless looking person can approach you and pull out a pistol and shoot you. Or any truck or car on the street can take you out. Hell, your partner of several years in the force can pull out a pistol and shoot you if your name is on the list. So, don't blame them for taking the silver.

Anonymous said...

chivis is correct while true that most mexicans are not in with narcos, in the high 90 percentile,if ASKED to join few say no because the penalty is too high for them or their family. there is no where to turn. local policia are in the back pocket, even the goverment says along the border almost all cities are corrupted working with cartels. so not 911 call to them. better luck is calling df to one of the fed agencies that are similar to FBI. but can you imagine calling sedena PF, PGR or PFP requesting protection because narcos are forcing you into a cartel?

exactly true until a strong system of law and order is established impunity will be rampant

great work chivis it got the discussion going

Anonymous said...

It was posted because it redeem the rednecks & shows how unique they are from others in the US of A.

Anonymous said...

LMAO. ..Soooo many Jokers on B.B.....hahahaha...garbage gasbag rantings.

Anonymous said...

Yes your country has a lots of money $14 Trillion in Debt & the Highest Jobless Claims...Are you ashamed that you are Not White? Hey don't call names to a colored brother as they have been abused, mistreated and considered untrustworthy...Gangbangers come from every creed, race and colour so don't stereotype any race...Most dangerous are the white collared criminals who most times don't get reported for fucking up the economy of A country for their greed

Anonymous said...

Don Alejo Garza Tamez told them no, they could not have his ranch. They said they would return and kill him. He said he would be waiting. Thirty of them came in SUVs. He killed 4 of them before they got him with an RPG.

Don Alejo did not want to live as a slave. He knew that taking his ranch was only the first step. He knew that these douche-bag narcos want EVERYTHING YOU HAVE and they don't stop until they have it ALL.

Taking the plata instead of the plomo only buys you a little time. It is what you do with that time that is important.

Anonymous said...

"Are you ashamed that you are Not White"
RACISM,IS RACISM,IS RACISM,YOU ARE SPOUTING ABOUT IT NOW.Why did you bring"white"into your argument?Racism,yes you do.

Anonymous said...

Lol its but and joke Fuck chapo investing lol you need to invest in some English classes

Anonymous said...

Great article! Many kids sometimes don't have a choice. These cartels force them into joining their ranks and threaten them by killing their families if they choose not to. What is one supposed to do?? I'll wanna run away with my family but many dont have that choice.

El Profe

Anonymous said...

Wrong statistics about Full Employment in the US of A...what year are you in man?...Jobless Claims are at its highest...Read, learn and understand the US economy before commenting otherwise you come across as having "Foot In Mouth Diseases".

Anonymous said...

What sort of an illiterate idiot are you quoting a figure of 2% over Full Employment...You don't even understand the concept of "Full Employment" in Macro Economics so don't give us your bullshit...You moron understand any labour force in a country that hits full Employment cannot exceed that figure...Why are idiots allowed to make stupid comments...disgusting.

Anonymous said...

You're right.

I apologize to you and all the sniveling little plebes, like you.

The comment should have been more clearly stated (...for the kids in the peanut gallery that ride the small bus to school) as: in the United States (on 9/30/2012, where 8.1% in the labor force are unemployed) there are more people unemployed WITHIN THE LABOR FORCE (2.1% more) than what is considered "full employment."

YES; YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY. Having 6% of the people (within the total labor force) not currently employed, is known as "full employment." If the US economy is at 5% unemployment, it means that the economy has 1% LESS unemployment THAN IT NEEDS. In other words, if we have 7% unemployment in the US economy, it means there is 1% MORE unemployment than the economy needs. This means that today there is a 2.1% surplus in labor goods in the economy, right now (which would tend to lower the overall price of labor).

So, why 6%? "Why the fuck are 6% of the people SUPPOSED to be out of work at any point in time," you ask?

Some would argue that the Macro-Economic goal for a government would be stability in the price of labor (and all other goods for sale); that government's goal would be to strive for neither a surplus or a shortage in labor.

Well, 6% is the employment/unemployment level at which the economy can comfortably accommodate buyers and sellers making choices about the fair price for "labour" (as you spell it). This would ensure that people can go from job to job WITHOUT CREATING AN UNACCEPTABLE DIS-EQUILIBRIUM in the price of labor (the wage for a job) within an economy; neither in favor of the employer or the employee.


A quick example might help:

Since you sound like you work in waste management, lets say you're employed today by waste management company #1. Then you decide that you want to work for waste management company #2 (because you can choose the company with which to work, right?).

It would create a labor shortage in #1 as soon as you leave; increasing the tendency for #1 to pay someone more for the job you were doing (since they need someone RIGHT NOW! to replace you). That means that your choice to leave the company has created an increase in the salary company #2 (and all other companies within that industry [including #1] pay someone like you to pick trash curb side). This is known as the "price elasticity of demand").

What prevents labor prices from increasing every time you leave your job? Wouldn't this be a great way to give yourself a raise?, you ask?

What happens is that there would be 6% of the workers within the labor force that are unemployed (some that, like you, are also middle-school drop outs) that are available to take your spot at the same salary you were paid.

These concepts might be in the first pages of the introduction to that Macro book you never cracked.


...check it out.

Anonymous said...

My son, white American was grabbed in El Paso by the Zetas, border patrol watched to keep him there, this was end of November 2006. They then pumped him full of meth and forced him to do a horrendous crime, and filmed it. But the killer of all was on Christmas they gave him a roles. I have lost my son in unthinkable ways. They thrill in mind f....... I believe he is dead. But who knows

Anonymous said...

Im currently being tormmented and harrrased by them for something I did in my past...They will never leave me alone..Much to my surprise they have never made any attempts to end my life even when they have had plenty of opportunities..There objective seems to be to torment me daily and ruin my life..Can't go to authority because some of them are involved..Anybody who thinks they can help my family please reply we moved 800 miles away we were tracked down and it continues not sure if its cartel but there are lots of them and I can tell they are well funded anyone who ddoesn't believe this let me know Ill show you

Anonymous said...

As simply as you put your right take it or watch your loved ones disappear meanwhile they will torment the shit out of you until its your turn there is no where to run or hide

Anonymous said...

You really think you can hide? They have spotters watching every recruit every second and spotters watching the spotters Your entire family would be dead before you could burry the ones you killed in fact you would be followed there and thrown in there with them

Anonymous said...

Lucky this man was an american citizen(i think). People don't realize these cartels pull in more money than some countries. The weapons and tech they have are crazy; your retarded to mess with them - its not like that one cop is going to kill them all. Those narcos always come prepared and ready to kill. He would just be giving a death wish for his familyg. Would I ever try to upset someone who would gladly rape and kill my son and daughter? Clearly not... So my answer would be tell them anything they want to here. Shit, i'll even take half the money - don't need to get these loons mad. Make my $ and get the hell out of that situation. Thankfully I'm a US citizen so I'd be getting back to the motherland and I'd tell authorities everything I know to get protection; it's the only way the cartel won't find me. I'd a haircut and grow a stash, my daughter becomes ginger, and my wife gets a CRAZY haircut. In the end game i'd be back in the US as the most paranoid person ever - possibly living in a cave in the woods.
tll;dr: Cartels have too much money for their own good; they would gladly hunt you down for the rest of your life; best be a citizen of a developed country otherwise your screwed homie!!

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