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Is El Fantasma Dead or Just Another Ghost Story?

Saturday, March 3, 2012 |

The National Defense Secretariat (SEDENA) is contradicting version given by the Sinaloa Attorney General who yesterday afternoon said that the alleged chief of the security detail of "El Chapo" was killed in a gunfight.

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Well yesterday Borderland Beat, along with many other media sources in Mexico, reported the death of Jonathan Salas Aviles aka "El Fantasma." However as information develops, news gets more sketchy and the different levels of government start contradicting each other. We felt that at the time of the decision to run the story the information was credible as it was released by the Sinaloa State Attorney General and reported by many reputable media sources. If anyone has any credible information on the events or the real deal on "El Fantasma" please do post it on the comments section. We are watching these events very closely and will update you all with further information as it becomes available. As is customary we will report information that has a level of validity, although I don't have to tell you is hard to do with information coming out of Mexico, but in the mean time, here is the latest:

Sources at the National Defense Secretariat (SEDENA) are now saying that in the confrontation near Quilá, Sinaloa, where possibly two or three narcos were killed, there is no evidence that "El Fantasma" or Jonathan "N" boss of the security detail of Joaquin "el Chapo" Guzman Loera was among the dead. They did not elaborate nor have provided any formal press release on the matter to date.

However yesterday afternoon, the state attorney general, Marco Antonio Higuera Gomez had announced that in the confrontation near Quilá Jonathan "N" known by authorities as "El Fantasma" the same alleged security chief of Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera was in fact killed.

Higuera Gomez went on to say that the identity was made by forensic examination of the evidence and data collected in the first investigation of the incidents that occurred last Thursday night, but the federal authority would have to make the confirmation.

Even the Governor of Sinaloa Mario López Valdez announced that the death of "El Fantasma" will bring "little bit of peace and tranquility" to the state of Sinaloa. The Governor noted; "I think that more than anything, considering the fear of potential consequences, it must bring a little more tranquility and peace, because that is how things are, there will be less of those who will be in the business of crime."

 The Department of Defense announced that military personnel assigned to the Third Military Region upon conducting reconnaissance and following up on information they received near the town of Quila, they were attacked by gunfire with high power firearms from an unidentified group and they repelled the attack.

On this incident two of the assailants were killed and another was wounded, who was evacuated by civil authorities to a hospital in the city of Culiacan for medical care, but later died.

 In the region where the incident occurred, they located two abandoned vehicles where they managed to secure various weapons, the vehicles and other equipment.

 "In a sense military and air forces deployed in the area and are continuing to locate more members of the criminal group," said the Department of Defense in a statement.

Source: El Universal, El Milenio, Proceso and El Noroeste.

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46 Borderland Beat Comments:

Anonymous said...

This confusion doe's not surprise me in the slightest.El Fantasma,must be 60 at least,none of those pictured,looked like that.What the hell would he be doing there at that location?Or is this fallout from some internal heat said to going on right now,the deaths in Durango in the vehicles?Also rumors saying it was El Bravo?Sounds as though the authorities themselves are hoping this to be the case.But who knows for sure?

Anonymous said...

I know him and thats not even close

badanov said...

Mexican Attorneys General are usually the only reliable source of information regarding events such as busts, that do not involve SEDENA or SEMAR.

And as you know, Mexican press relies heavily on the state prosecutors for their crime information who, in turn rely on their "boots" on the ground.

But they make mistakes.

For example, the Durango Fisalia General del Estado has been replaced twice since the spring of 2011, and part of their problem was they couldn't release reliable numbers of the mass graves in Durango city.

Prosecutors make mistakes and this may be one instance in which a state attorney general makes a mistake.

Anonymous said...

There is a ongoing military operation in that region as we speak. That is the reason sedena is keeping quiet. Whoever it was that they killed, it had to be someone of some value. It's not unreasonable to think that multiple characters could have the same nick name.

Saludos...

Anonymous said...

I don't think it's him there was a pic of him and he was a bit more light skinned.....
There is a song of him called teniente fantasma and it talks about his name been 7 letters and there were many names to choose from.... Jonathan equals 8 letters anyhow that's what I think... I hope he is not dead because that will mean a braketrough for the others cartels to settle in Sinaloa.....

Anonymous said...

Just like "El Ostion" from Los Zetas is still alive.

Anonymous said...

badanov ,Don't sweat these people crying about posts and such.We appreciate your efforts,know that.The mass grave site is absolutely horrific,some of those people were killed before this"war"and the numbers and graves may still grow.We will have to wait and see whether this is indeed the notorious killer El Fantasma.I hope it is,but i have doubts?

Anonymous said...

He sure did

Anonymous said...

I TOLD YOULL IT WAS LIE THAT HE WAS DEAD THATS WHY DEY CALL HIM FANTASMA

Anonymous said...

Who cares as long as they were KIA and not just arrested.

Anonymous said...

Could he be tha one that was transported to the hospital

Anonymous said...

Same thing with el mas loco the god nazario moreno

Anonymous said...

probably living in texas or arizona anyway

Anonymous said...

The day they catch el fantasma or el bravo is the day they catch el chapo guzman

Anonymous said...

It's true, just like El Macho Loco is not dead either. He's the true leader of LCT.....

Anonymous said...

Yep thats true they never found his body :0

Anonymous said...

all these comments are worthless this guy is dead this one is not...... people acting like they know these guys personally bunch of liars

Anonymous said...

Personally i don't think its him.
Hope it is,this dude killed a lot of people.
He a piece of mierda,not a hero.A puro fuckin rat.
People actin like he someone,wonder what he'd look like with a knife in his fuckin face.
Anyway,i hope it is him,or someone like him with a "name"all these rats scurrying around in the dark.Sometimes the light catches them slippin,and the Marino don't give a fuck about rights,these aint got no rights.THEY FORFEITED THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS.Don't take prisoners,no one is there when you kill them,i would,straight up i would shoot them with their hands up the air.
SALUDOS TO THE MARINO,

Anonymous said...

There is one picture of El Fantasma.You will find it if you look.Who knows if its him,its possible,but dude on table goin hospital,he look to young.It must be a so-called name,they got info on who was supposed to be there,but who cares who his ass is,as long as he planked.

Anonymous said...

@ March 4, 2012 2:48 PM

Is it the one pic where chapo is holding a rifle and there is an old man next to him? The old man is in army fatigues and yellow shirt

Anonymous said...

To everyone leaving very long comments not only here and other posts on bb!.....might as well write a book or join the forum if you know so much!

CAF said...

ITS HIM BRO LIKE IT OR NOT LAZCANO AND 40 ARE THE NEW CHAPO AND MAYO 2012 EVERY GREAT EMPIRE FALLS SINALOA IS THE NEXT TO COME DOWN I WANT TO SEND YOU FANTASMAS PIC HOW DO I EMAIL IT OR CAN I POST IT

Buggs said...

Send it: borderlandbeat@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

CAF, March 4, 2012 11:02 PM .Bro,was you talkin to me 2:48 PM? You a member of this site ?Its easy.Go into forum and post it there,and everyone will see it.Or as Buggs says send it to him,and he,ll sort it out.I agree with you about The Lazca,he is the main man,the main asset of Z.
Who knows bro,Chaps may even be semi retired?Both of them aren't young bucks anymore.

CAF said...

I SENT IT

Anonymous said...

Maybe they are the new top dogs but the very reason is because chapo and mayo old but they still way more people who are top dogs too and zetas are just scumbbacgs of societybeg know nothing of respect and that's why they keep dropping like flies.and will keep dropping like flies. Idk why EZLN hasn't stepped in and organize people to fuck zetas up. After all they are the guerilla for the people.

Anonymous said...

No, the old man in that pic is Don Juan, he died already.

Anonymous said...

CAF . Man,you shoulda posted it on the forum for everyone to see it.I mean we don't know whether Buggs will post the pic or what he gonna do with it.I sometimes post things there.Any pics help out,just to put a face on dude.I still not 100 it is him tho,who knows.

Anonymous said...

@ March 4, 2012 10:01 PM .Bro,that old dude next to Chapo was called Don Juan,he died of natural causes(age)and is not El Fantasma.There is a supposed pic of Fantasma,he got a shirt on i think,in a house or party(not a very good pic)In fact bro,i think there is a pic on the forum side.Texcoco,posted pics from Metroflog,etc,there are many pics of the names.M Prieto,Chino A,M1,etc,go in to forum you find it.

Anonymous said...

Hey bro nobody really cares , apperantly your the cheerleader of CAF

Anonymous said...

That empire CAF vanished a long aSs time ago ! So wtf u talking about! Prove it man your just a mascot wt

Anonymous said...

One of the great things about bb is the chance to post anonymously, people like us that have a lot of info to share do not want people tracking us down...

Anonymous said...

@March 3, 2012 10:55 PM

I really doubt El Mas Loco is still alive check out this youtube video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oVOFpUQ5TQ

Anonymous said...

Ahahah pinche cafeta no valen nada putos.
Puro Caballero Templario y Cartel Del Golfo we gunna run shit now sinaloa on they way out and caf died out beltran ain't shit and Juarez don't like any of you they just used you dumbfucks to fight the cowards in sinaloa

Anonymous said...

If los Caballero Templarios are the most powerful then why is there Zetas and Beltran Leyva operating in Michoacan? I thought they were enemies.

In the limits of Guerrero and Michoacan los caballeros are losing

Anonymous said...

You can get tracked no matter what even if anonymous.

Buggs said...

Here:
http://borderland-beat.924382.n3.nabble.com/file/n3795027/8.png

Anonymous said...

You dumbfuck los beltranes got they're asses handed to them all over guerrero and the zetas got bitched slapped all across Michoacan by those Michoacanos :) learn a thing or two. And these CTs are making inroads all across Western Mexico they got Guerrero ,Michoacan, Guanajuato, parts of Jalisco, parts of Colima, and are fighting in DF and we know they operate in Baja

Anonymous said...

This was posted as a comment at blogdelnarco.com:

komandantee! rataa!
JAJAJA MI COMPA ANDA AL 100 AKA EN SINALOA PUTOS ESE VATO QUE MATARON LE DECIAN EL GATO ERA SOBRINO DEL FANTASMA Y MI COMPA ANDA MAS VIVO QUE NADA PUTO GOBIERNO PENDEJO EN PRIMERA MI COMPADRE SIEMPRE ANDAN CON EL ONDEADO Y ANDAN MAS DE 5 CAMIONETAS JUNTAS NO NADA MAS UNA COMO AY PERO EN FIN AY LES DEJO LA NOTICIA!

Anonymous said...

Where do u get 60 from?, ur way put of the ballpark he's in his late 30s

Anonymous said...

Where do u get 60 from?, ur way put of the ballpark he's in his late 30s
March 6, 2012 4:36 PM
Man,have you even seen his picture?He an old looking motherfucker,if he in his 30s.Man,you shittin me?He been on the radar for ever,but he still in his 30s?

Anonymous said...

My folks live near quila Sinaloa. And the word out there is that it was not El fantasma......

Anonymous said...

Shit changes daily down there crazy!

Anonymous said...

don't anybody realize that the american tactic is divide and conquer ??? theres a lot of buzz that they are offering immunity in return of all their partners, so its a matter of time that one of the pesados its going down because his own compadre sold him.........the heat is going to be all over CLN & GDL....... atentos

Anonymous said...

Another story como la del Chayo

Anonymous said...

El Fantasma is not 60 jjajajaaj
sigue vivito y coliando

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