Saturday, November 5, 2011

MX Agents Missed Vehicle w/guns-Calderon's Phony Outrage

UPDATE: MX Agents Missed Vehicle w/guns-Calderon's Phony Outrage:Mx Agreed to Controlled Arms Trafficking (F&F) since 2007!

Posted by Buela Chivis in the Forum

UPDATE 11.5.11 PM: VERY interesting..and Article on Calderon follows this update...Paz. Buela
Headlined "Meeting of the attorney general with Mexican Attorney General Medina Mora," the briefing paper informed Mukasey that the tactic had been tried unsuccessfully but that the ATF wanted to try again and wanted Mukasey to persuade Mexico's attorney general to provide a team of corruption-free Mexican agents who would assist in the effort.

The briefing paper for Mukasey — dated two days after he was installed as attorney general — was among hundreds of pages of documents that Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., subpoenaed in his investigation of Operation Fast and Furious. The Justice Department turned over the material this week to the Issa-chaired House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Not fully detailed in this document was the reason for the failure — that Mexican authorities south of the border fell down on the job, claiming they didn't see the vehicle carrying the guns that the ATF agents had alerted them to.

In Section G, titled "Arms Trafficking," the briefing paper for Mukasey states that "of particular importance, ATF has recently worked jointly with Mexico on the first-ever attempt to have a controlled delivery of weapons being smuggled into Mexico by a major arms trafficker." It adds: "While the first attempts at this controlled delivery have not been successful, the investigation is ongoing, and ATF would like to expand the possibility of such joint investigations and controlled deliveries — since only then will it be possible to investigate an entire smuggling network, rather than arresting simply a single smuggler."

"To that end, it is essential that a Mexican vetted unit be assigned to work with ATF in this regard," the document states. "ATF's attache in Mexico City has briefed Attorney General Medina Mora on this attempted controlled delivery, and stressed the importance of such a vetted unit being assigned," the paper states.

The language in the briefing paper to Mukasey referred to the second of two Bush-era probes and covered events that had occurred in that second probe in the preceding two months — specifically, a probe that began when an ATF agent identified several suspects from Mexico who were buying large numbers of weapons from a gun shop in Phoenix.

ATF emails from the 2007 probe obtained last month by the AP show there was concern inside the agency that its Phoenix office had engaged in gun-walking that resulted in guns disappearing inside Mexico — and that perhaps the tactic should be stopped.

"Have we discussed the strategy with the US Attorney's Office re letting the guns walk?" Hoover, the headquarters official, asked in an Oct. 4, 2007, email to William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division.

The probe ran into trouble after agents saw the same suspects buy additional weapons from the same store and followed the suspects south toward the border at Nogales, Ariz., on Sept. 27, 2007. ATF officials notified the government of Mexico to be on the lookout. ATF agents saw the vehicle the suspects were driving reach the Mexican side of the border, but 20 minutes later, Mexican law enforcement authorities informed ATF that they did not see the vehicle.

The 2007 probe referred to in the briefing paper for Mukasey operated out of the same ATF office that more recently ran the flawed Operation Fast and Furious. Both probes resulted in weapons disappearing across the border into Mexico. The 2007 probe was relatively small — involving more than 200 weapons, just a dozen of which ended up in Mexico as a result of gun-walking. Fast and Furious involved more than 2,000 weapons. Nearly 700 of the Fast and Furious guns have been recovered — 276 in Mexico and 389 in the United States, according to ATF data through Oct. 20, the latest available.

Pete Yost-AP
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PGR knew of arms trafficking, reveals EU

Reports of the Bureau of Alcohol Control, Tabacco, Firearms and Explosives in Mexico City revealed thatEl Universal at least since 2007, Mexico and the U.S. agreed joint traffic operations "controlled" arms.

WASHINGTON .- Mexico and the U.S. agreed, at least since 2007, to conduct joint operations traffic "control" of weapons to try to identify and dismantle smuggling networks that have given enormous power of fire to the cartels, reveals information from the Office Alcohol Control, Tabacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF, for its acronym in English) in Mexico City.

It is clear from memos and emails to those who had access at El Universal, joint operations date back to 2007 when the then Attorney General of the Republic, Eduardo Medina Mora, had been briefed on the details of the operations by adding of the ATF.

"The addition of the ATF in the city of Mexico has reported to the procurator (Eduardo) Medina Mora this controlled delivery attempt, and emphasized the importance of a group of certified agents," he said in a report prepared for the former attorney of the United States, Michael Mukasey, in November 2007.

Medina Mora, Mexico's ambassador to the UK, denied authorizing the entry of weapons into the country.

He explained that since his appointment in office-in 2006 - had meetings with attorneys from the United States, where "they discussed many issues, many schemes of cooperation, but I can assure you that at no time explicitly discussed the possibility or the authorization with respect to any controlled delivery operation of weapons, "he told Radio Formula.

"I have no recollection, and I remember, I assure you, if that issue had been addressed," the former official said.

However, he said that such a program "never has been allowed because it was totally out of the logic of the pursuit of intelligence information to build cases against people accused based on the crime involved."

In the report, prepared during the administration of George W. Bush stated: "Recently, the ATF has worked together with Mexico in an attempt, for the first time a delivery of arms control."

However, in an email sent by Carson Carroll, ATF official, then deputy director for field operations, is in doubt which was the first time: "We have already walked weapons to Mexico."

El Universal

23 comments:

  1. ATF and NRA scumbags..

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  2. What an idiot .... Blames evrybody

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  3. Sounds like a good way to say, if you guys can't watch them, our drones can........

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  4. "ATF and NRA scumbags"...

    NRA?!?!

    That's moronic...

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  5. Anonymous said...

    ATF and NRA scumbags..
    November 5, 2011 11:04 PM

    hey there a ninny mess moron..

    you do know that the ATF is the agency that concentrates on taking down ultra groups like militias...who are usually avid NRA supporters...the ATF is no friend of most NRA people ...

    the ATF will be the ones who come to take our guns (last line of defense against tyranny) if and when you gun control nuts ever succeed in disarming us

    you gun control nuts get crazier and crazier all the time

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  6. I DID A LITTLE SEARCH ON THE INTERNET ABOUT ( Mexico Agreed to Controlled Arms Trafficking ) AND ( Mexican Agents Missed Vehicle with guns ) AND ONLY BORDERLAND BEAT ARE THE ONES WHO MADE THAT STATEMENT ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE HAS ONLY MENTION THAT MEXICO KNEW ABOUT THE FAILED GUN RUNNING OPERATION FROM 2007 ( WIDE RECEIVER ) SOMETHING MEDINA MORA HAS DENY

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  7. Mexico and US started something they can't Finnish

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  8. O.K ACCORDING TO THIS U.S.A ALWAYS INFORMED MEXICO ABOUT THE U.S OPERATIONS? WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSE OF DEATH IN CD JUAREZ?

    Blowing the whistle on the house of death: DEA dissenter Sandy Gonzalez reveals the drug war's complicity in torture and murder south of the border.

    http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2009/08/blowing-whistle-on-house-of-death-dea.html

    MEXICO WAS ABLE TO KNOW BECAUSE SOMEONE BLEW THE WHISTLE.

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  9. When guns are outlawed, only hyper-violent drug cartels and other criminals will have guns. This is exactly what the political Left wants.

    No, the true scumbags and traitors are those who wish to take away and infringe upon our constitutional rights and freedoms and cause us to be completely defenseless against criminals who will always have guns just like drug addicts will always have drugs.

    "When second count during a criminal attack, the police are always minutes away..." some times 20 to 30 minutes or more. Plenty of time for innocent people to be killed.

    I would rather die fighting and at least cause a significant risk of death to those who would try to take my life or the life of a loved one.

    Things are going to get far worse in the up coming years. The tide has turned. More Americans are pro-gun than ever. The Left has lost this battle. Thank God. But they continue to try to undermine our rights to self defense.

    "No free man shall be debarred the possession and use of firearms"

    -Thomas Jefferson.

    "Fear no man what'er his size, for I am here to Equalize"
    -- Sam Colt ad slogan

    "...an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    --Thomas Jefferson (and that goes for women, too!)


    "When a strong man armed keepth his palace, his goods are in peace."
    -- Luke 11:21

    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
    -- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon, 1942

    "A man that hath a sword by his side shall have least occasion to make use of it."
    -- J. Trenchard & W. Moyle

    "The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave."
    --Andrew Fletcher


    "Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't." -Unknown

    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes."
    --Thomas Jefferson

    "The said constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    -- Samuel Adams

    "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty's teeth."
    --George Washington

    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms."
    --James Madison

    "Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
    --Thomas Paine

    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes; we need them every hour."
    --George Washington

    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
    -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

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  10. "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
    -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

    "The people have a right to keep and bear arms..."
    -- Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185

    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?"
    -- Patrick Henry

    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
    -- George Washington

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. ... Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
    -- Thomas Jefferson letter to Peter Carr, 1785

    "God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.
    --Daniel Webster

    "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    -- Patrick Henry

    "One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
    --- Thomas Jefferson

    "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
    -- Benjamin Franklin

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  11. "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. "
    -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. "
    - - Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)

    "A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie."
    -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power. "
    -- Yoshimi Ishikawa

    "I like automatic weapons. I fought for my right to use them in Vietnam."
    -- Oliver Stone, 1994

    "A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand."
    -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD.

    "Some princes, so as to hold securely the state, have disarmed their subjects.... But when you disarm them, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred against you. And because the government cannot remain unarmed, it follows that the government turns to hired police. Therefore a wise prince has always distributed arms to the general population."
    -- Nicolo Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter 20 (L. Ricci translation, pg. 105, 1952)

    "The Constitution of the United States of America clearly affirms the right of every American citizen to bear arms."
    -- Malcolm X, in Malcolm X at 337, J. Clarke ed. (New York, N.Y., 1969)

    "The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible."
    -- Machiavelli

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  12. I still think there is a lot that we don't know about, the people responsible for this failure in Mexico and on the U.S. should be punish and they should be fired.

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  13. @ pro gun ownership anon


    HELL YES!!!!!...

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  14. What a bunch of uneducated morons!.. Go get an education and also get educated on were these political parties stand on gun control before you start making up shit. What a bunch of low lifes who are so worried about the stupidest things. We live in 2011 not in the 1800's-1900's. Big difference in weapons now morons!

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  15. ATF stands for

    Arm The Federation

    sinaloa federation

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  16. @12:44
    and Texcoco
    EXACTLY!

    And the rest of you get a grip, start living in this century and get some education while your at it!

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  17. Anonymous said...

    What a bunch of uneducated morons!.. Go get an education and also get educated on were these political parties stand on gun control before you start making up shit. What a bunch of low lifes who are so worried about the stupidest things. We live in 2011 not in the 1800's-1900's. Big difference in weapons now morons!
    November 6, 2011 12:44 PM


    and what is your point?...that the nature of freedom is different now as opposed to years past

    you are so obtuse that your comment is incoherent

    but what is intelligible is the disdain that you display for the opinion of others, usually an indication of an uncultivated intellect, I suggest you measure your own brow before you cast additional derogatory comments and further embarrass yourself

    i will assist you somewhat, for instance, the plural of life is lives, not lifes, there exists no such word as lifes ...

    so maybe you should go get you some of that there education yourself moron

    i say old chap, it would seem that this particular moron has been hoisted by his own petard

    and just to rub your nose in it ..Ghandi, Freud, Lenin, Stone,Ishikawa, and Malcolm X were 20th century figures

    feel stupid yet?... you should ...go look in the mirror for further augmentation

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  18. to Texcoco and anon @ 6:13

    With all due respect I found countless of accounts verification of this story. I selected one from each side the border. El universal is very respected and has seen the emails and docs to support this report. Pete Yost also very respected.

    And though I do not repsect the US congress they are privy to all the communications and documentation revealing the Mexican knowledge and complicity in this effot here:

    CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES

    C O M M I T T E E O N O V E R S I G H T

    http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/20111104EEC_to_Issa_hearing_request.pdf

    If you care, please be diligent in your research on both sides the border. and you will find this is a factual account. It is good to question, but honestly how much proof do you need?

    Paz, Buela

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  19. Buela I'm not saying your report in not true, all I'm saying is, there is a lot that we don't know about on the gun running operation.

    No matter what I still believe anyone responsible for this gun running failure should be punish and fired on both sides of the border.

    P.S Buela I do admire you positive input.

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  20. Goes to show that Mexico does't give a shit about the guns going south, nor do they care about the drugs going north. Drive through a border check. We now are checking cars going in as well. But the Mexicants still just wave the cars on through. No questions asked. Bottom line, Mexico loves its guns. And it is the perfect example of what happens when citizens can't protect themselves. Jesus, it's the perfect example of everything bad that can happen to a people when they put personal green in front of every other person. Mexico's worst enemy is Mexicans. Please stay home and clean up your own mess. In the mean time, I will continue buying my own AR-15's, paying my taxes, and going about my life without breaking the law.

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  21. @ 10:34, don't be a dumb ass!!! This is not what the political left wants, the real answer is in between. Gun ownership with some restrictions. Having guns won't stop an army, especially one like the US Army from taking on its citizens. We all saw what happened to the Lybians, if it wasn't for Nato they would have gotten annihilated by airstrikes. You think your AR 15 with a 100 plus magazine will stop a patriot missile? or a tomahawk? don't be so naive. I doubt the US Army will ever fight US Citizens because they are made up of our friends and family members. I own a couple of guns and I believe in gun ownership, if the US govt were to say that no more assault rifles tomorrow I wouldn't care. I use my guns for recreation use only. What do I need an AR 15 for? hunting? I can get a nice .223 Browning or Ruger with a nice Weaver or Leupold, and hit targets twice as far.
    Do everybody a favor and stop watching FoxNews..

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  22. Tex..

    for sure there is a lot we do not know. and we should know. But what I am saying is these three presidents were filled with good intentions and trying SOMETHING.

    as the old saying goes "HE WHO DEOS NOTHING MAKES NO MISTAKES" :) people respect honesty and are forgiving in the face of mistakes as long as accountability and honesty accomppany the action.

    Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.
    Confucius

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