Reporting on the Mexican Cartel Drug War

45,000 Mx Armed Forces Deserters In 5 Years

Wednesday, October 19, 2011 |

Nearly 45,000 soldiers and marines have deserted the Mexican Armed Forces since President Felipe Calderon took office in 2006 and deployed the military in the fight against organized crime.

From the Forum
Buela Chivis

The number of deserters, some 40,000 of them from the army, represents a significant decrease compared to the previous administrations. Calderon pointed out that the number of deserters in his five years in power was around half of that seen during the six-year presidency of predecessor Vicente Fox.

The president credited the reduction in desertion rates to the fact that the troops were motivated, and to his administration’s focus on improving their quality of life, providing increased salaries and loans for housing.

According to the president, there are currently investigations underway against 1,382 of those who deserted.

The armed forces saw 105 troops killed between the start of Calderon's presidency and June 2011, according to figures given to Milenio newspaper.

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Anonymous said...

I read an article about how they were given rations once a day and if they wanted to eat more, they had to hustle that themselves. I am sure a lot of them just don't like doing the inhumane things they are asked to do to their own people.

Anonymous said...

danggg that's a lot of deserters. Send the Marine Corp to wipe the cartels out!!

Anonymous said...

An they now work 4 da cartels. What do u expect when Mexico is overun by poverty, an the cartels flaunt wealth an power.

Buela said...

Your statement of rations is accurate.
Ovemex posted an indept story of the poor conditions that soldiers face. Often the barracks are without basic needs.

But there is another element that must be spoken of and that is deserters joining the cartels for obvious reasons.

Until Mx places value on its men and women striving to protect the country; armed forces, police of state and municipalities,with decent wages, incentives, equipment, weaponry, communication, intelligence, training etc loyality will be a problem. They need the tools comparable, at least, to the cartels and a society and gov willing to assure best case conditions for the soldiers.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TZjfUZ6NZ9I

A video i stubled across a message to z-40 lozcano comandante cerdo beheaded

Anonymous said...

12:17 AM...What Marines? Mexican Marines all deserted. Our Marines? Then in six months, we would have 45,000 deserters and the cartels would have some very high paid soldiers that are truly well trained.

Anonymous said...

This is all bull, I have family in the military in Mexico and they have never said anything about this crap. Does the U.S. don't have deserters? In the military or police force? I also remember reading about military deserters here in the U.S during the time of war, or what about all those war veterans who after the war they have been ignored here in the U.S. Are you people aware of the suicide rate on war veterans here on the U.S, I can assure you is not because the U.S. really cares for his own people.

Anonymous said...

What the fuck are you bringing America into it for,what has that got to do with the story,is it Americas fault that you are not paying the military enough?Are you another sad clown who thinks America is to blame for just about everything,brother you got to grow up,America is not Mexicos problem,Mexico is,drugs,cartels,rampant murder,rampant corruption,murder of its women,alcohol,you got to get past blaming someone else for your shortcomings.Basically Grow the Fuck Up."Its all Americas fault" Im not American by the way.

Ardent said...

Sure you're 'American', Anonymous 12:45... lol... Only US citizens are dumb enough to call themselves 'Americans' when the Americas stretch from the Arctic to Tierra del Fuego.

Anonymous said...

War on Drugs = Insanity

"Insanity : Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Anonymous said...

I spoke with a very interesting fellow who grew up in Mexico but now lives and works here in the U.S. I asked him how is it that Mexico, which has been colonized by Europeans longer as an area than any other country in the americas, is currently facing such poverty levels, gross delinquent forms of government neglect, corruption, and poor education?

There is an elephant in the room when it comes to comparing the histories of the U.S. with Mexico. Yes we had slavery like Mexico, we also exterminated many natives like Mexico, we also displaced many people, but how is it that we have two different outlooks, two differnt philosophies that have allowed us move relatively beyond those shameful times? We still have many problems, don't get me wrong but Mexico appears to be eating itself alive, strangling itself, choking itself. What are the origins of all this?

My friend doesn't take long to answer me and he says..Who came over to the U.S., what kind of people came looking for opportunity and freedom?

I said, you mean the poor, the huddled masses? He said yes. And who came over to Mexico? I just shrugged my shoulders. He said, the greedy, the wealthy, the elites, the affluent, those thirsty for more power and wealth. What we're seeing now is nothing but the product of their philosophical outlook being played out generation after generation, continuing where their ancestors left off as they perpetuate the basic forms of politics, wealth distributions, and elitist mindset.

In the U.S. you do have elitists but generally, the Europeans that came to this country are sympathetic to the problems of the impoverished because that's where they came from, they understand it and have lived through it, whereas in Mexico you have the complete opposite where a small percentage hold on to most of the power tightly, wielding it upon the ignorant masses who for the most part know that they're being deceived but don't know how to stop it.

I don't know if this makes sense or if it's an accurate portrayal of what's going on Mexico. Does anybody agree with his statement? It would be interesting to come across some good literature that can help explain why there are such staggering differences between both countries and maybe come to a better understanding.

"L"B said...

sooo...what do you call yourself there ardy????canadien???...surely not american ...so just what ...

"L"B said...

@ October 20, 2011 3:12 PM

good post ..i couldm't have said it better myself

Anonymous said...

@ LB
Are regiomontanos (your homeland) Americans?

Anonymous said...

@ buela where are your sources for this?

Anonymous said...

October 20, 2011 12:45 PM Well I'm an American born and bread in Mexico and just like Ardent said every person born in the American continent is an American.

Anonymous said...

What you have to understand is that in mexico it is who you know that gets you ahead in life...not your education or talent....Mexico has operated on the bribe system and it is as much a part of mexico as the tortilla....I have lived here six years and am married to a mex and have two children. Mexicans as a rule are much more prejudice than the average american and just dont want to admit it..,,,they are the most jealous people imaginable......they dont like it we call ourselves americans.........on my kids mex birth cert, it says I am a NORTHE American ha.....mexicans all want to copy the United States.......the leagal name of Mex is the United States of Mexico......Wonder where they got the name???? wonderful family people and I love mine but that is also a problem in Mex......all people care about is their own family......everyone else can go to hell.... as far as the normal soldier goes...I have seen them in action.......they are cowards and run and hide when under attack........the marines are a different story though,,, and probably trained by American military... if you notice the news it is normally the marinas who make all the big busts and take down the capos not the normal army.......If you are a student of history mexico never takes part in any UN action as a military or probably ever will ,,,,,,,,,,they have historically always fought and killed among themselves

Anonymous said...

October 20, 2011 8:59 PM Look who is talking the keyboard warrior, haven't you ever seen the videos from Afghanistan and Iraq, every time the soldiers getting shot at the call for air support, or have you seen the Jessica Lynch rescued, or the captured U.S military or haven't you seen videos when the police get shot at they scream like girls. Don't go around thinking that people from U.S are the only brave people in the world. U.S have always attack weak countries countries with no real power. About the name Estados Unidos Mexicanos, it was because the Mexican states were united not because we copy the name you ignorant fool.

Anonymous said...

And they say the Cartels are getting their weapons from the USA ha.

"L"B said...

and the blame and animosity towards United Statesians continues..very productive ...

good job of derailing the topic there ardy fard

and for you any ninny mess cobarde ..yes regios are North Americans ..why don't you ask one?

Anonymous said...

3:12 PM...One of the better posts that I have seen on the site. Deep thought and well explained. I do think there is lots of merit in your post. I have been saying for a while that Calderon has no connection with the Mexican people because he is an elitist and views himself and his associates as Europeans. He will retire in the US or Europe too.

The only thing I will add is that the US is moving in the direction of Mexico more than people recognize. We have off shored all our jobs. We produce very little. "Made in the USA" cannot be found anymore, and the "rich get richer while the poor get prison." I truly believe we are seeing a transition in the US culture that "the American Dream" is being thrown to the way side to honor our elite, the oil barons, wall street leaches, and corporate CEOs. We in the US have been sold down the river too.

laredo72 said...

Mexican soldier, here I move out, o started my service at 18 the I got out at 22, our weapon is G-3 made in Germany, all our weapons are from Germany n our training from self defense is from Israel & Korea and the uniforms are from the usa.

Anonymous said...

@3:46

Totally agree with you. Our country is messed up as well and has been getting worst due to the things you mentioned. I just didn't list them all as I thought my post was already long enough.

Some say our country is falling others say it has already fallen. There is much evil in our government, wallstreet, and in other areas of our country that one cannot deny it exists but so far we have not entered the law of the jungle. If we had, we'd be a lot worse than Mexico. You'd have racial strife throughout many of the larger cities, each looking out for themeselves and no doubt antagonizing others as well. Mexico's massacres would pale in comparison to the conflicts we'd have between whites, blacks, hispanics, etc.

You could say we are a ticking timebomb.

Anonymous said...

Ardent said..."Sure your American,the Americas stretch from",blah,blah,blah,blah.So we got another conspiracy.I'm an AMERICAN,even tho i said im not.Ardent,are you an American.I'm European nobhead,thats what we call people who live in America,Mexicans,Nicaraguans, Panamanians,Peruvians,Guatemalans, Bolivians, Paraguayans.It was not an attack on any one,but from a neutral,there is way to much hostility between USA and Mexico,it is complex,we all know that,but blaming USA for all Mexicos ills is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

20111020 1:51 i feel you make alot of sense. well your friend put it really well. there has indeed been corruption in mexico since the spanish came to rape and pillage...and to 20111020 9:07 if our beloved US Marine Corp goes in it will not be with Mexico paying them or feeding them and if you read the USMC motto is SEMPER FI (always faithful)grunts dont go in to desert they go to KILL thats good enough payment for them. it is a fucking shame mexicos marines desert but thats because they dont care about their grunts. hence the grunt dont care about them...NOT OUR USMC

Anonymous said...

this guy who posted this paragraph below is completely correct. START HELPING THE POOR. and like the rapper/musician Tupac said "INSTEAD OF A WAR ON POVERTY, THEY GOT A WAR ON DRUGS SO THE POLICE COULD BOTHER ME.
LET POEPLE WORK, TAKE AWAY CRIMINAL RECORDS SO WE WONT BE DENIED JOBS. UNLESS ITS A SERIOS CHARGE INVOLVING INNOCENTS SAFETY LIKE MURDER AND RAPE THEN LEAVE IT ALONE. SOMETIMES I JJUSTT WANA SLAP DUMB POLITICIANS N LAWMAKERS N THOSE AT THE TOP KEEPING THE REST DOWN VER SENSELESS REASONS. ITS ALL GONA BACKFIRE ON THEM. N IN THE END THEY CANT TAKE THEIR RICHES WITH THEM. IONE DAY , BEFORE THEYRE ANYWHERE NEAR THEYRE DEATHBED, ITS STILL NOT GONA BE ANY USE. THE WORLD IS GONA BE IN CHAOS AND MONEY WILL MEAN NOTHING... NOTHING....

The only thing I will add is that the US is moving in the direction of Mexico more than people recognize. We have off shored all our jobs. We produce very little. "Made in the USA" cannot be found anymore, and the "rich get richer while the poor get prison." I truly believe we are seeing a transition in the US culture that "the American Dream" is being thrown to the way side to honor our elite, the oil barons, wall street leaches, and corporate CEOs. We in the US have been sold down the river too.

Anonymous said...

U.S is not a place for freedom is not a place to look for a job it's just another place. I know people come and it's mostly because they have family in u.s or is because they've made bad decision which made them leave mexico have u ever tought of that exactly u haven't so shut the fuck up people Mexico is a good place to live as long as u dont go to Mexico for trouble ull have a good time over there trust me I live close to Morelia where the sister of Felipe Calderon which she ran for government there and all the threats by the FM didn't stop her and she won election so where's the violence so Mexico is a good place to live "Ariba México"

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