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Sunday, March 13, 2011

Drug war: Crackdowns have limited impact on Barrio Azteca




by Daniel Borunda \ El Paso Times

The FBI's blow against the Barrio Azteca last week showed that the region's dominant gang has continued to operate in spite of past racketeering cases that sent gang bosses to prison for life.

Experts said breaking a criminal organization as large as the Barrio Azteca is not done in one swing, but could take years in the same fashion the Italian mob was eventually crippled.

U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy on Wednesday announced a federal indictment of 35 alleged leaders, members and associates of the Barrio Azteca.

Among those indicted are 10 men accused in the killings a year ago today of three people linked to the U.S. Consulate in Juárez.

El Pasoans Lesley Enriquez Redelfs, a consulate employee, and her husband, Arthur Redelfs, an El Paso County sheriff's detention officer, were shot and killed while driving home from a consulate children's party. Jorge Alberto Salcido Ceni ceros, whose wife worked at the consulate, was also killed after leaving the party at the same time.

Federal agents are searching for seven fugitives, including Eduardo "Tablas" Ravelo, reputedly the capo running the Barrio Azteca in Juárez, and Jose Antonio "El Diego" Acosta Hernandez, allegedly a boss in the Juárez drug cartel.

Ravelo is on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted fugitives list. The bureau is offering a $100,000 reward for information that leads to his capture.

The Barrio Azteca-Juárez drug cartel connection is believed to be a source of much of the power of a gang that began so West Texas inmates could protect themselves in prison.

It has become a violent binational crime organization.




Law enforcement, court testimony and the 57-page indictment unsealed Wednesday described the workings of a gang, which was also known as the Familia Azteca when it was formed by Texas prison inmates in 1986.

The founders of the Barrio Azteca, or the BA, created a set of "sacred rules" forming the military-style hierarchy of the gang and its rules of conduct.

The capo mayor is at the peak of the command structure. He is chosen from the capos, or captains, who run the gang. The chain of command has lieutenants, sergeants and soldiers, known as "Indios."

Prospective members, or "prospectos," are mentored on the rules of the gang by a "padrino," or godfather.

"The BA rules provide that loyalty to the BA, or 'Familia' is paramount and superior to loyalties to God, country, family or friends," the indictment stated.

El Paso police started seeing the Barrio Azteca in the late 1980s as members of local street gangs began funneling into the BA in prison and then spreading to the streets once released.

"They had already started to establish themselves from the old little neighborhoods, from the different cliques that existed," said Mary Lou Carrillo, a retired sergeant with the police gang unit.

"A lot of the smaller cliques of gangs ended up joining forces. Like a lot of prison gangs do, they started for protection," Carrillo said.

The BA rules require members work for the organization after being released from prison. Membership is supposed to be for life and above all other relationships, documents stated.

Richard Schwein is retired but was the special agent in charge of the FBI's El Paso office from 1987 to 1994.

"The Aztecas were a small prison gang then, and they expanded and expanded and expanded," Schwein said. "All prison gangs grow. You have the Mexican Mafia, the Aztecas, the white supremacist groups. They breed in prison."

The Barrio Azteca started with about 35 members but in 20 years had grown to about 3,000 in the Texas and federal prison system and in the "free world" outside of prison.

By the mid-1990s, the Barrio Azteca had consolidated its hold of the El Paso County Jail after the murders of several rivals.

In 2001, federal authorities hit the gang with the first Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) investigation, dubbed Operation Carnalitos, which at the time was described as one of the most significant cases in El Paso in years.

The operation was named after "carnal," slang for brother and a term Aztecas use to refer to each other. The operation resulted in RICO indictments against 62 gang leaders and soldiers.

The law was created to dismantle the Mafia by holding leaders accountable for crimes carried out by members of criminal groups.

Operation Carnalitos resulted in several convictions, including capo mayor Benjamin "T-Top" Alvarez and capo Carlos "Shotgun" Perea, who were sentenced to 15 years in federal prison.

Authorities at the time said the Barrio Azteca did not seem to have close ties to the Juárez drug cartel.

But the gang's alliance with the Juárez drug cartel (the Vicente Carrillo Fuentes drug trafficking organization) was evident when it was hit with another RICO case in 2008.

The cartel pays the gang with cash or discounted drugs for transporting drugs or serving as cartel enforcers. Investigators said gang leaders in prison issue orders to soldiers in the streets.

The 2008 RICO case resulted in capos Alvarez, Perea and Manuel "Tolon" Cardoza and two other members sentenced to life in prison. A gang associate was given 15 years in prison.

Before trial, nine other defendants pleaded guilty to various charges.

According to the latest indictment, the Barrio Azteca has groups in El Paso, Juárez, Chihuahua City, Midland and Odessa.

"Each of these geographical groups has some autonomy in deciding how it will achieve its criminal aims but always within the framework and rules of the overarching BA criminal enterprise," the document stated.

The gang collects "taxes, renta, or quota" from street-level drug dealers. Proceeds are sent to members in prison.

The Barrio Azteca divides El Paso into zones -- Central, Northeast, East Side, Lower Valley, Horizon, Socorro and West Side, which runs north through Las Cruces. Juárez is also divided into the sectors, such as Babicora and Aldama, copying that city's police districts.

Prosecutors alleged that gang activity continued despite the previous RICO case.
The latest indictment mentioned intercepted telephone conversations last year in which gang members allegedly discuss drug trafficking, extortion and placing "green lights" on four Barrio Azteca members.

A green light, in the code used by the gang, is a sanctioned murder. In some cases, a member who has fallen out of favor might be referred to in the feminine or as an "X."

FBI spokesman Special Agent Michael Martinez said the gang's military structure and its ability to communicate with bosses in prison makes it a challenge for law enforcement.

"The past RICO cases have disrupted the gang," Martinez said. "With any paramilitary group, they have soldiers in that group that move up the food chain when a leader is removed. It's like a cycle; they have people there ready to take over."

The previous RICO trial showed that the FBI was able to infiltrate the gang with informants, including a gang sergeant who testified to wearing a wire at gang meetings that he had called. Several gang members testified for the prosecution.

Schwein, the retired FBI agent, said the key to defeating organized crime is getting members to work for the government.

"What happened (to the Mafia) is, the old immigrants from Italy died off. They had the code of omerta where they wouldn't talk," Schwein said. "The younger ones, the native-born Americans, had a different set of values. They will cooperate often when they are facing life in prison without parole."

Carrillo said that the RICO cases weakened the gang and that it no longer has the stronghold in El Paso it had years ago.

"The best part about it (RICO) is the distrust that now exists in the gang," Carrillo said. "No one trusts each other. The best way to dismantle an organization is from within, to sow distrust."

Carrillo spent a career working with gang members, from middle-school children to middle-aged ex-cons. Gangs are not defeated by police alone, she said.

"Most of these prison gangs will recruit from your local street gangs," she said. "It happens in every city. It's not exclusive to El Paso. Every city has their major gang that feeds off street gangs the same way street gangs feed off these kids that have no direction, where a family unit is lacking."











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29 comments:

  1. SO it will take years to wipe out the BAs? like the italian mafia? Dumb thinking, we do not share a border with Italy. M13 Ms13 Mexican Mafia etc have been ingrained into gang society and are not going anywhere but becoming widespread and stronger. Zetas fund and recruit out of many of these gangs. and brutal gangs such as the most brutal of all MS13 & others has at least an associate relationship with other gangs, working together in cooperation.

    I watched these videos a while ago then searched for other gang videos and its simply overwheming.

    SOmething I wondered about when the consulate people were killed their baby survived and I heard it remains in Mexican care. I found that unbelievable. some info on the arrest

    http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/barrio-azteca/

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  2. Oye Buela, just curious, are you for going after mexican sicarios and their bosses without mercy? You know, just blow their goddamn head off without asking any questions, and if so, are you for our military or police and federal forces to do the same here in the U.S. against all gang members?

    U.S. Police and federal forces are better equipped and organized and if provoked to act, would quickly dismantle or eliminate any group of sleazebags, but again, only if they're given the green light.

    The difference is that in mexico there is no law and therefore now that their gangsters have accumulated so much power and control some have become quite unstoppable and unfazed even by military crackdowns, whereas here the scumbags rather run with their tails between their legs or turn themselves in than get into any serious gunbattles.

    Plus the fact that our human watchdog groups would cry foul if so much as an ounce of blood was dropped as a result of some cowboys gone wild.

    So again, what is your take on going after these fucks? You stated our current system of justice is fucked and am wondering if you were in charge what you'd do. Would you use our present judicial system or or would you go after them all fuck-the-law gun-ho style?

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  3. Hmmm, seems like sinaloa is nowhere near beating juarez, I wish there was more in depth coverage on what's goin on there.

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  4. Comandante Lino ws taken out this weekend,
    if i recall correctly wasnt he mentioned in a youtube video of an Interrogation of a woman who later showed up with her head in a cooler?

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  5. What a bunch of worthless nobodys. These are filthy cockroaches who are usig oxegen meant for useful humans and animals and taking up space.
    A bullet to the head for these lemon fucks would for sure take them out of the ganglife forever. So whats so wrong with that?

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  6. Who did Comandante Lino work for?

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  7. I agree with DFL, but alas; as a Mexican citizen, one is expected to wait until "they" are upon his toes or in his house to really do anything. You are expected to wait upon what should be a US-like police force (be it local, state, or federal) to come take the bad guys by peaceful force if necessary to a long hard prison sentence, or better death. I guess its true, as Ive heard and experienced all my life in south central Texas, most Mexicans are decent, hard working, Law Abiding folks... But, it only takes a few bad apple trees to kill off the whole orchard when it comes to Loyal, Honorable Officers of the Law. This surely must be excised by the masses, this curse is a tumor on the WHOLE body and any means is certainly to a better end.

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  8. "Anonymous said...Who did Comandante Lino work for?"

    For the Z. He was killed in NL in Jan or Feb 2011


    Hahaha, you're posting Gangland as news? Gangland is the equivalent to tabloid journalism. They start every single episode by saying that that particular gang is "the most dangerous gang in the US..... maybe the world" It's all over dramatized, poorly researched, fluff. Episodes of Gangland are about as truthful and accurate as a Snoop Dogg song.

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  9. The guys in the picture at the top of the article are Mara, not BA. LOL.

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  10. "Anonymous said...Comandante Lino ws taken out this weekend......."

    No, you read an article this weekend that said his body had been positively ID'ed by the authorities. He died on Jan 25,2011 in Nuevo Leon.

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  11. Lino was the Head Zeta in Nuevo Leon

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  12. @ march 13 8:23

    Oh boy, if I were queen? Oops forgot Messico is a democracy...dang I keep forgetting that...:-)

    I am not sure what in my comment led you to your Qs..Maybe the time change but I am not clear. As for mercy, no mercy within the law. Of US law, as for Messico..wow, see there is such a compromised rule of law I can see a shoot on sight at times, I will not apologize for that statment my eyes have seen too much and this violence has effected too many I know personally. Hearing the stories of the children are heartbreaking. That is my greatest concern. How is it a child of 9 or 10 can tell me a story of seeing a dead man dumped in their street with bowels hanging out or a boy saying the bad guys came and took his father, and children say these things in monotone not allowing emotions to show. It is that generation we must save.

    What would I do? I have written many times a list of what HAS to be done. directly to this war, change game plan...go after the middle layer. Began in tandem but focus on changing the educational, socio-economic, employment structure to parity so 60% of people will not be relagated to poverty because of lacking education. The system is deplorable. resulting in a vast recruitment field of ni-nis for cartels to choose from.

    I will say this. In one sense there has been a postive effect, MDC-MOCs have heeded the pressure and moved operations to central american a few years ago. Good for Messico bad for the world. They can do business without any interference, even mfg of piracy which will be their biggest business by 2016.

    as for the Mx gangs in US, they have been around forever and I have seen them change names, break into smaller groups and spread across the US. What I meant about Italy not being on our border is the article reflected that it will take years like italy, I scoff at that suggestion because this is bi national with a shared border and a HUGE difference is there is a working cooperation between some of the greatest most violence gangs. Each gang also has a territory. usually an area or street..."M13 5th street gang" thousands of these gangs exists, not to mention the asian gangs and black gangs. We have them all here at my US home. I was on a jury of a mexican mafia case 2 years ago and the education I rec was freightening. So was the defendant.

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  13. What needs to be imposed is the DEATH SENTENCE: BUT, that won't happen..These people are not reformable, and the cherry on the cake, is that they are the TEACHERS and others see and mimic and the end result is another new generation of criminals..Alot of people say: WHY DOESN'T GOD HELP??? the answer is in our face''Execute murderes, drug dealers, rapists, and be rid of the plague that society has become acustomed to...The bleeding hearts, and people who make money will continue to defend these criminals...Chances that even if they serve jail time,they will continue their business as usual...Unfortunately. we have to play hard ball with hard core criminals..

    Whether we be mother, father, grandmother,grandfather, bother, sister, friend, we are the source to being a good teacher, and if it's a bad source, well, we see the results...Karma is so real:!!!What we sow, is what we reap..!!
    We have noibody but to blame but ourselves..We need to 'take out corrupt officials, and alike...It's our fault, so don't blame GOD...As someone said we are adults with minds to think, but to act is another story...

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  14. Aplausos to the following:

    DFL said
    "What a bunch of worthless nobodys. These are filthy cockroaches who are usig oxegen meant for useful humans and animals and taking up space.
    A bullet to the head for these lemon fucks would for sure take them out of the ganglife forever. So whats so wrong with that?"

    Just Look Now said
    "most Mexicans are decent, hard working, Law Abiding folks... But, it only takes a few bad apple trees to kill off the whole orchard when it comes to Loyal, Honorable Officers of the Law. This surely must be excised by the masses, this curse is a tumor on the WHOLE body and any means is certainly to a better end."

    Buela said
    "As for mercy, no mercy within the law. Of US law, as for Messico..wow, see there is such a compromised rule of law I can see a shoot on sight at times, I will not apologize for that statment my eyes have seen too much and this violence has effected too many I know personally. Hearing the stories of the children are heartbreaking. That is my greatest concern."

    Rose said
    " the answer is in our face''Execute murderes, drug dealers, rapists, and be rid of the plague that society has become acustomed to...The bleeding hearts, and people who make money will continue to defend these criminals...Chances that even if they serve jail time,they will continue their business as usual...Unfortunately. we have to play hard ball with hard core criminals..

    Whether we be mother, father, grandmother,grandfather, bother, sister, friend, we are the source to being a good teacher, and if it's a bad source, well, we see the results...Karma is so real:!!!What we sow, is what we reap..!!
    We have noibody but to blame but ourselves..We need to 'take out corrupt officials, and alike...It's our fault, so don't blame GOD...As someone said we are adults with minds to think, but to act is another story..."

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  15. Yes because handing out death sentences has somehow gotten rid of the golden triangle, oh wait it has not and over there you can be sentenced to death for very, very little amounts.

    Just face the damn fact that it is extremely hard if not impossible fighting against ultra capitalism which is essentially what drug trade is, nevermind that the profits are astronomical.

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  16. I agree they should be killed. This will save their family the embarrassment. What world are they living in? Do they actually think they will ever be like the "real" Capos of the drug trade? They are just brainwashed and useless pieces of sh!t. The only future they have is dying with a bullet in their head or continue being the boss's b!tch. How can men lower their values this low? Instead of being strong minded men with some kind of goal in life to provide a home for their kids or just be there to set an example for them. No, they rather Worship "The Boss" and probably wipe his ass if he asked them to. Sad to see Mexican/Americans living this way. They kinda make us all look bad...

    777

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  17. @777

    Please don't say that, most of us mexicans and mx-am are hard working, caring, good citizens. There are those who do attribute the shameful acts of these bastards to our entire race, but those are people that are looking for a reason to hate and be prejudice. They have come out of the closet lately here on BB.

    Every group of people has their vile vermin. Black, brown, white, asian, Islamic...whatever, but it is always a small visable group not representative of the whole. Only ignorance/stupidity thinks otherwise

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  18. Remember when people used to talk about the facts?what happen to all the bright intelligent people that would include details in what they said. I think its pretty crazy that barrio azteca,and the one street gang,forgive me I forget the name,they're in san Diego,are the only 2 street gangs from America (so far as we know) that have really worked with any of the cartels. I've always wondered what the other big colabs are. I mean they all have to work together at somre points. the other san Diego gang that was messing with the juarwz cartel has an episode on garland. Def worth watching..
    Blackhawk1

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  19. @5:33- You've got a damn good point. "ultra-capitalism" it has a ring to it... the paths may be winding, but they lead to the same place. Government will always have a degree of corruption, but a well checked system of command control will always work, its like binary code. The boss wants the machine to run well.

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  20. I was thinking about Julian Leyzaola "Juli" ..and the seemingly impossible task he has been given. The Barrio Azteca issue for him is just another ostensible impossibility. Don't get me wrong, I wanted him to give it his best and I have tremendous respect for him, but Juarez just ain't TJ, and it is much more than Juarez, in reality, it is the entire state of Chihuahua in that big messy ball of wax. I read some great articles breaking it down reasonably and analytically, one I really felt worthy of reading and considering is the from AFN;

    http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=mar/notas/leyzaolaenjuarez&afntitle=Leyzaola+en+Ju%E1rez

    its in spanish...but I saw that Marjorie Drake had a good overview on her blog...no not the dog post...scroll down to Juli's pic...in english worth the taking the time to read.

    http://marjorieanndrake.blogspot.com/

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  21. @ Blackhawk1 ........... You want facts? You need them, because your "facts" aren't very factual.......
    That "San Diego Gang" you're referring to is called Logan Heights..... and that episode of Gangland is about 10 years out of date. Logan Heights is a much more localized now and not at all the international gang that is portrayed in that episode.
    Plenty of US street gangs work with the cartels in just about every major city. MS13, M18 (18st), Border Brothers, Maravilla, (all of them started in the US) and on and on....
    BA and LH absolutely are not "the only 2 street gangs from America (so far as we know) that have really worked with any of the cartels"

    Referencing episodes of gangland is not "talking about facts". It's not even a news program. It's a TV show produced for shock value and ratings.

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  22. Gosh what a pack of bullshit underlying racism here in the comments, starting off with Buela's referencing Mexico as being supposedly 'Messico'. Then we have the reader who calls Mexican Americans 'Mexicans', though clearly they are not.... since they are mainly resident citizens of the US Then we have those talking about Mexicans as if they were a race and not a Mexican nationality that has a mixture of different races residing inside the nation of Mexico's borders, same as right here in the USA, where we, too, are not a race but a nation consisting of multiple races.

    All of this mish mash 'discussion' regarding an inconsequential article about a US prisons made gang! And to those who want to get 'tough', it was getting tough on certain down in the gutter people in the first place that created the prison gangs that now plague society.

    Those machista dead heads who call others cockroaches' and who want to kill off other folk always are so damn respectful of big money though. Hardly ever hear them calling the Lilly White super corporate rich 'cockroaches' and all the other venom filled vocab they use for people of other races and nationalities. Why is that????

    One gets so damn tired of the constant suckass mass of Right Wingers in the US! Their gobblygook self discussions with their own ombligos about "messicans' etc.make one want to vomit usually.

    I do agree with Anonymous's comment at 5:28 AM 100%...

    'Referencing episodes of gangland is not "talking about facts". It's not even a news program. It's a TV show produced for shock value and ratings.'

    You got that right for sure.

    And @ DFL.... the only person I would use 'Raid' on would be yourself. There should be a can of Raid for all NAZIs that talk of other races and nationalities of people as being 'cockroaches'. To listen to you is to imagine Hitler talking about Jews 70 years ago.

    'The Barrio Azteca-Juárez drug cartel connection is believed to be a source of much of the power of a gang that began so West Texas inmates could protect themselves in prison.' ....from whom? Perhaps it was from the likes of folk like DFL and some of the other Yahoos who post often on BB about their blood lust....

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  23. E1-Ernie-Ernest-Ardent...My MPD Blog Pest

    First of all you are the biggest fraud on this blog. you are a white, wanna be, left over lefty from the 70s, stuck in a world that is deaf-blind. I have the right to be critical and to praise Messico when I am moved to. I have given my life to the people of Mx and work everyday to better lives where and if I can. I call Mexico Messico because in case you have not noticed Mexico is a damn MESS.

    Racist? you are so stupid it defies definition but perhaps an explanation would be mental illness.

    I AM MEXICAN. SOmething you are not. Something you cannot identify with no matter how often you imagine having a Mexican woman. That is my race, I am american that is my citizenship and nationality. I could have been born anywhere in the world and still I would be Mexican. and you could have 100 mexican men and women and still you would not be.

    You have to take a look at yourself and ask "what is wrong with me that I have been slammed on occassion by almost every reporter and the big boss" no one else has that distinction.

    State your case, and leave it. I have not attacked you for ages because I have ignored you and 99% of what you write, I simply don't like it and it has zero value so why waste my time? If I see Buela in a comment in the dashboard I will read it as today. But I always regret doing so.

    Please do me a favor, I have asked this before, don't read my comments. You do not like them, You do not like me, you do not think my comments have value, you think I am a fraud no matter what any BB reporter may say, so why not just pass Buela by?

    I have lived a great life and have been given unique experiences living in many countries. WHen I offer an opnion or info I stay true to what I know, I may be wrong and if it is an asumption I will state so, but I try to offer something. YOU on the other hand offer refried bullshit and personal attacks...

    even your debate of nationality vs race is so inconsequential, on my birth certificate under RACE it says MEXICAN. and I don't care WTF you say because it is unimportant. Children are being orphaned, killed, central am being raped, 1 of 6 woman and children raped, thousands killed, kidnapped, tortured, extorted, people killed dismembered, social activists having complete families killed or kidnapped and you want to concentrate on if/if not mexican is a race? You are kidding me? You self centered, worthless piece of crap.

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  24. WHY is it racist to call a spade a spade? They say a picture is worth a thousand words? Hey Ernest Ardent, look at the pic on the top of this story. Nuff said. Straight from the left, right and everything in between. You want shock value? Well,the picture unfortunatley represents La Raza all to well. It is sad, but not only americanos see "Latino`s" as "cockroaches", but the rest of the Planet is taking a wee bit of notice as well. If it looks like scum, acts like scum, smells like scum........, well, what else could it be? You are what you project, and if you think these dudes are Choir boys, wellllllll, I`ve got news for you and some Ocean front property in arizona along with new immigration laws. hahaha. It`s funny how it`s always the race that plays the race card. You can`t be honest and truthful anymore cause someone cries foul on every single play. It`s like playing basketball with your little brother, you know your gonna beat him so he calls a foul everytime you swat him down, instead of manning up and playing better. Do you get the reference their Ardent? Instead of "manning up" and "playing better" is saying instead of "projecting a better image" and "acting like a civilized human being on this planet", then you would really have a legitimate gripe when little brother does cry foul. Just like when big bad americans call messicans something, you calling foul has no teeth in it. When you don`t look like scum of the earth, you have the strength behind your criticism then. So then when some jacka$$ calls you or a compadre a nasty name , you really have a beef. for now, it is what it is, as they say.

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  25. @ Anonymous 1:14PM...
    I rest my case about the racism of so many readers of BB. You are proof in the pudding, Bud.

    'It is sad, but not only americanos see "Latino`s" as "cockroaches", but the rest of the Planet is taking a wee bit of notice as well. If it looks like scum, acts like scum, smells like scum........, well, what else could it be?'

    And, Buela, you cater to the bigotry of the antiLatino racists like the one I just replied to here, so don't pretend otherwise to us PLEASE . You say the following....

    'I call Mexico Messico because in case you have not noticed Mexico is a damn MESS.'

    This MESSico thing you came up with Buela says loads about you in the context of who reads and writes so many comments here. Buela, you choose to call me a 'self centered, worthless piece of crap' while never saying a word about all your racist buddies who continually bombard BB with their anti-Mexican crap. They are good people to you?

    'I AM MEXICAN. SOmething you are not. Something you cannot identify with no matter how often you imagine having a Mexican woman. That is my race, I am american that is my citizenship and nationality.'

    You are a US citizen and not a Mexican citizen, Tecolote Buela. I personally don['t give a flying crap about what your race is either. You are about as US acculturated as they come and that is the given fact. You are totally integrated into the cop culture of the US policing network and it stands out in all the comments you make. Who cares that you also eat taquitos? I don't and it is basically irrelevant now as hamburgerized as you have become.

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  26. OOps, make that guajilote... lol...

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  27. Get em Ardent. I like how its always you against everyone and you don't give up. I respect that..haha

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  28. to cast the blame on the puppet and excuse the puppeteer is to only see the shadow and not the one who casts it

    it is amusing and at the same time discouraging when the label of racist is applied any one who can see the hidden hand of the international money lenders

    the childish perception of the one who rails against the moneyed elite but defends the true criminal is the most alarming, they do not see who the TRUE money elite are, but are deceived into persecuting the patsy

    "as long as i control the money who cares what puppet they put upon the throne"


    they have been indoctrinated from birth by the controlled mass media, and the religious propaganda, into defending the very criminals whose bloody hand is well documented down through the ages

    it is true that zog America is moving to take control of Mexico ...after the destruction will come the lent money to rebuild

    but it is not the American people who are the ones to blame , they are just previous victims who are now harnessed to the will of the of the hidden masters , their blood is to be spilled while their treasure is used to subdue recalcitrant peoples

    no matter how wealthy or powerful the sheep may appear , don't confuse them with the wolves

    these persons who point to the sheep and defend the wolves would do well to study deeper before displaying their ignorance further

    begin by reading the bible with an unbiased view

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  29. ee cummings meets dissection of conspiracy theory coming to life...metastasizing every passing day.
    Nice work, ZOG.

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