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Tuesday, September 5, 2023

Who Are the Two DEA Cooperators Possibly Killed by 'Los Chapitos' in Mexico?

"Socalj" for Borderland Beat

My office received credible information that other federal agencies attempted to charge the Chapitos’ fentanyl distribution, but your office directed the prosecution teams not to out of deference to the DEA.

According to this information, at the time of your office’s instructions, two cooperators inserted by the DEA into the Los Chapitos network had been murdered in Mexico.

Despite these deaths, your office reportedly gave the DEA more time to develop its unilateral investigation.

Those statements are a portion and summary of a letter from US Republican Senator Chuck Grassley to Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco, requesting information and cooperation from the DEA on their fight against fentanyl trafficking, explicitly targeting Los Chapitos.

US Iowa Republican Senator Chuck Grassley

On April 14, 2023, Anne Milgram, head of the DEA, assured that the DEA infiltrated during the last year and a half and at the highest level in the criminal organization of the Sinaloa Cartel and the children of Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

In the press release of the letter sent by the Iowa Senator, he stated;

According to the DEA, “The Chapitos now run the largest, most violent, and most prolific fentanyl trafficking operation in the world.”

“I’m disturbed by reports that the Justice Department allowed bureaucratic squabbles at the DEA to hamper drug enforcement operations,” Grassley said. “Agency showmanship is unacceptable and shameful. As fentanyl and other illicit drugs cause thousands of American deaths each year, the US can’t continue dropping the ball in responding to this tragedy. Lives are on the line.”

A Grassley investigation revealed that DEA interference last year halted US efforts to issue provisional arrest warrants for the Los Chapitos. DOJ, the DEA’s umbrella agency, reportedly supported and prolonged its obstruction of the Chapitos’ indictments, allowing critical time to go to waste in the US fight to stop the flow of fentanyl.

During that time, according to the letter, two DEA cooperators in Mexico were allegedly murdered.

Cooperators or Informants?

The use of the term "cooperators" could be key here. Especially as the letter is directly to the Attorney General's office. In the US, cooperators and informants fall into different, but related categories. "Informants" work under the coordination of police officers or agents investigating criminal organizations.

The allegedly executed were known as "cooperators," a criminal who is in contact with a prosecutor and agrees to collaborate and possibly testify to obtain benefits in their own cases. Often this is done initially through investigating officers or agents. In other words, these are suspected criminals who provide information to strengthen a case, sometimes after their arrest, and cut deals for less punishment.

Who are the Infiltrators?

According to journalist Peniley Ramírez in Reforma, the DEA had informants present at a meeting with high-level members of the Sinaloa Cartel at a "remote ranch" in May 2022 in Sinaloa. The security at the meeting included over 40 armed men and 6 armored trucks with mounted machine guns.

According to Peniley Ramírez, Ovidio, "El Raton" Guzman Lopez, said during the meeting that he was working to centralize the manufacturing of fentanyl in Sinaloa. He also said he was concerned about DEA surveillance and US authorities tracking him.

At the same meeting, Ovidio closed a deal with a distributor from Los Angeles.

Until at least May 2021, the DEA had three sources of information from the close inner circle of the Los Chapitos. Between 2017 and 2022, the sources delivered graphic evidence, recordings, photographs of places and vehicles, and locations of accomplices and laboratories to the US authorities. The DEA informants had recorded Ovidio Guzmán for the last three years, before his arrest in January 2023.

Miguel Alonso Payàn

Miguel Alonso Payán was a security element who guarded fentanyl drug labs for Los Chapitos and later began to transport the drug to the border. He provided photographs of the labs, equipment, and information to the DEA.

Alonso Payán grew up in Culiacán, is said to be no older than 40 years old and from 2018 to 2019 he worked as a guard in the fentanyl and other synthetic drug laboratories in Culiacán and Navolato. He recorded that in Aguapetito, Navolato, the drug "kitchen" was underground in a basement with an elevator where 200-liter barrels entered and left daily.

"The entrance to the laboratory could be covered with earth and branches, it had stoves and presses to make kilos of fentanyl pills. From 400,000 to 500,000 fentanyl pills were sent in small planes to the border," Alonso said.

This information was disclosed to the Attorney General of the Republic (FGR) during the extradition hearings against Ovidio Guzmán. 

In 2019, after injuring his arm and being no longer able to carry out security duties, Miguel Alonso Payán was instructed to transport fentanyl pills hidden in armchairs and bus seats from Sinaloa to various border towns.

Alonso Payán declared that in the four years he worked for them, he only saw Ovidio Guzmán "El Ratón" twice. The first time was in 2020 when he and his cousin Jaime "Jimmy" Loera visited him at the La Anona ranch.

Jaime "Jimmy" Loera worked for two years with Los Chapitos and was responsible for a safe house in the Fraccionamiento Montebello, in Culiacán, Sinaloa where drugs and weapons were stored. Loera once confirmed to Alonso Payán that Los Chapitos sent 400,000 to 500,000 fentanyl pills to the border every month. Alonso and Loera's telephone communications were monitored by the DEA.

The second time that Alonso saw Ovidio was at the same Jesus Maria ranch Ovidio was eventually arrested at on January 5, 2023.

Former Police Officer?
In 2015, a man listed in a news report as Miguel Alonso Payan was discharged from his 3-and-a-half-year position as a state police officer in Sinaloa. He had refused to take a toxicology test and was dismissed. He traveled to the US in search of employment but came back and was told he could not get a job as he had been a public servant and had not been 'regularized.' He filed a complaint to be recognized as such as employment was difficult to find otherwise.

While we do not have a full confirmation that it is the same Miguel Alonso Payan; the timing of when he left his police job and the number of years he provided security for Ovidio matches up with him starting to work for the cartels after police work.

Oddly enough, the review of his job complaint following his dismissal was done by Genaro Garcia Luna. Last year, the SEDENA Guayamaca leaks revealed that they believed the Sinaloa Cartel had infiltrated the SSP, state police in Sinaloa.

"In relevant events, take into consideration that the Secretary of Public Security of Sinaloa is infiltrated by a member or person on behalf of the Pacific Cartel, who sends them information on the activities carried out by Municipal, State, and Federal authorities, which allows the aforementioned Cartel to react immediately," read the SEDENA emails.

Alonso Payán provided the DEA with photographs of drug labs, money, and buses carrying fentanyl. The DEA also has photos of Alonso in which he appears to be shooting or carrying an AK-47 and a grenade.

In 2021 Alonso apparently stopped operating for the organization. It is not known if this was due to his arrest, death, or being removed from Mexico by the DEA for his protection. 

Juan Carlos Arce Cabrera

Juan Carlos was involved in the distribution side of the fentanyl and other narcotics operations. He was one of the critical pieces of their case as an informant for the DEA for more than a year, during which he recorded conversations, took photographs, and revealed locations of the drug trafficking rings of Los Chapitos.

According to information released after the US government's announcement on Friday, April 14, 2023, the DEA took advantage of the fact that Juan Carlos Arce Cabrera, now a protected witness, feared that Los Chapitos would end his life, just as they did with one of his brothers.

Officially, it is known that Arce Cabrera was an associate of the Guzmáns, who did several drug deals, particularly Ovidio, between 2019 and 2022, at the height of fentanyl production.

Because one of Arce Cabrera's brothers was allegedly murdered, he contacted the DEA in California and that is how he later sought to have the meeting with Ovidio Guzmán where Ovidio was recorded.

Arce Cabrera recounted that he saw Ovidio a couple of times, The second time he had a meeting with him to negotiate 80 to 100 kilograms of fentanyl that would be exported to the Los Angeles area. The witness stated that on May 26, 2022, he had contacts with emissaries of the cartel to arrange a meeting.

Recorded Meeting
He flew from California to Mexico City, then took a plane to Culiacán, where he met Ovidio's people at a gas station who took him to a ranch in the community of La Anona, a few miles from Jesús María for the meeting.

At the meeting, Ovidio authorized him to sell five kilos to distribute in the Los Angeles area, but Arce said that he would need between 80 and 100 kilos of fentanyl. In addition, he said, he advised Ovidio not to discount or manipulate the drug because it could harm consumers. In response, someone said that the plan was to kill off other fentanyl manufacturers and centralize production in Sinaloa.

The DEA obtained alleged photographs of Ovidio's ranch and the recording of that meeting and other phone calls between Juan Carlos and Ovidio.

Juan Carlos Arce Cabrera is noted as a now protected witness, the meeting he set up with Ovidio in May 2022 was one of the key parts of the DEA's investigation and may have been the reason for the DEA's request to hold off on indictments and arrests.


NN is the listed anonymous alias for the third informant/infiltrator and according to the indictment against Los Chapitos’ fentanyl trafficking operations, this same witness is referred to as CC-1 in the indictment. 

“NN/CC-1”, who was in charge of the California warehouse storing fentanyl testified in New York on January 27, 2023, as part of a hearing for evidence to request the extradition of Ovidio “El Raton” Guzman. 

"CC-1" claimed to have sent close to $24 million to Los Chapitos, as part of profits they obtained from the distribution of drugs in Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, and Massachusetts. These are the same claims 

One revelation regarding the identity of CC-1 in the indictments stated that Los Chapitos had his brother kidnapped due to an owed drug debt and was able to negotiate it. 

Juan Carlos Arce Cabrera however reportedly began cooperating with the DEA/US following his brother being killed. It is possible, with Juan Carlos operating in California as well that he is the CC-1 referred to in the indictments or part of the same group. But that would mean that NN is another individual, even though the testimony attributed to both CC-1 and NN includes the $24 million money laundering operation.

Based on this date of testimony, and that he operated primarily in California likely means that NN/CC-1 has not been killed and has been under protection in the United States, especially considering he has not been named in any way yet publicly.

Ovidio had recently been arrested in Jesus Maria, Sinaloa weeks prior resulting in a deadly shootout at his ranch and a “Culiacanazo 2.0” of narco blockades, shootings at the airport, and fires in an attempt to have him released.

It is possible, and has been alleged that NN was not an initial member of the Sinaloa Cartel but was placed in their US network undercover. The reason for this theory stems from the US authorities not revealing his identity.


In the same indictments, a CC-2 is mentioned as being introduced to the Chapitos by a Juarez-based Sinaloa-allied gang in the region. CC-2 is a corrupt border official based in El Paso, Texas. The official began working with Los Chapitos in August 2021 and would allow, in exchange for money, Pablo Lozano to traffic drugs via mules during his late-night shift at the border. The indictment does not claim or mention what happened to the corrupt border official. Based on the information, he was likely discovered and arrested and began cooperating.


CC-3 is an individual, based in the United States who worked with Lozano as well to traffic fentanyl into El Paso, Texas, and brought money back belonging to Ivan Archivaldo Guzman Salazar.

HSI/ICE Involved in Ovidio's Arrests

Another letter, sent by ICE Deputy Director Patrick J. Lechleitner (recently named Acting Director) to Senator Grassley was received prior to his letter to the DEA requesting similar information. ICE & HSI outlined their involvement in the pursuit of "El Chapo" and his sons, speaking to their involvement in the operations to arrest Ovidio both in 2019 and his successful capture earlier this year, prior to the public announcement of official indictments on new fentanyl charges.

On January 5, 2023, HSI successfully coordinated with Mexican counterparts to effect the arrest of Ovidio Guzmán-López in Jesús María, Sinaloa, Mexico. HSI coordinated with DOJ prosecutors to submit an extradition request to the Mexican government in accordance with established rules.  

Regarding this DEA leak in the Sinaloa Cartel, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador described it as an "abusive and arrogant interference", for which he assured it is unacceptable. "How are they going to be spying?" Questioned the president in his morning press conference.

DEA Had Asked to Delay Indictments

In 2018 the DHS investigative agency, Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), worked hand in hand with the Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Section (NDDS) of the Department of Justice (DOJ) to have Los Chapitos designated as priority targets for the DEA, which they were in 2019.

During the first "Culiacanazo" Homeland Security Investigations worked closely with their Mexican counterparts. After Ovidio's release, the HSI continued to investigate and attempt to locate all of the Los Chapitos brothers and their lieutenants. Drug trafficking and distribution charges were brought against several of the brothers in 2018 and 2019, but none included fentanyl charges.

These two investigations culminated in a joint indictment against Los Chapitos by HSI and the FBI in December 2022. On December 14, 2022, federal prosecutors obtained a joint, superseding indictment against all four Chapitos that included charges of 36 violations under the Continuing Criminal Enterprise statute, which carries a potential sentence of life imprisonment. The evidence obtained from HSI's 'Operation Paisano' accounts for 11 of the 36 violations.  

The DEA was not listed on the indictment as having taken part in or handled either of the investigations.

That indictment was not handed down at that time, however. It was not revealed until four months later on April 15, 2023. Senator Grassley noted, the DEA developed a kind of competition with the Southern District of New York. The Senator stated that the DOJ, presumably on the orders of Deputy Attorney General Lisa Mónaco, ordered all arrest operations that its agencies had against Los Chapitos to “pause.” The Senator stated that the HSI continued to investigate Los Chapitos because the agency is not part of the Department of Justice and did not have to adhere to its policies.

Citing The New York Times, Senator Grassley recalled that in May 2022 the Department of Justice (DOJ) allegedly ordered all its federal agents to "withdraw" from the arrest operations against the sons of "El Chapo." 

The DEA revealed an indictment targeting many of the same individuals. The two cases and those charged were jointly announced, including the details of the infiltration of the inner circle of the cartel by the DEA and the details of recorded meetings.

Grassley attached a 2020 memo from the Deputy Attorney General regarding multiple districts investigating the same persons and organizations.

Cooperator Deaths

Based on the wording in the Senator’s letter, it is possible that the deaths of one or both of the informants occurred around the time of the issue of the pending FBI and HSI indictment to be held off until the DEA was ready with their case and it was allowed to conclude. The DEA cited the protection of its assets/informants in place.

That implies that the DEA was able to pull its assets out prior to the massive April 2023 announcement of the multi-indictments against Los Chapitos. But that also could mean they were no longer at any risk, having already been killed.

The letter states that they were killed while instructions were being given to hold off on the indictments. And that the DEA kept going with their investigation and operation for months after those deaths.

While it has been reported there was conflict between the agencies over the cases and delay requests, the full extent of what occurred around that time is not known yet. If the Senator’s timeline is literal and correct, the turmoil surrounding the operation at that time may have made it unsafe for the DEA’s undercover informants or cooperators.

These deaths could have occurred around either May 2022 or December 2022. During those two periods, few deaths could have been linked to the cooperators. One stands out, however, with the death of Gaspar Gastélum Escobar who was gunned down on May 24, 2022, in Culiacan, Sinaloa. He was the brother of Jose "El Che," Gastélum Escobar a fentanyl producer for the Sinaloa Cartel under "El Mayo". He was arrested in 2021 and had supposedly been released.

DEA Transparency Issues

Also in May 2022, the DEA saw turmoil in their Mexico operations with the DEA plane being removed from Mexico and an elite DEA unit being dismantled there. In a letter to the DEA chief, Anne Milgram, two US Senators urged the agency to answer detailed questions about the closure of the elite unit and the removal of the plane, according to a statement by Grassley's office. "If accurate, these reports raise additional concerns about the status of DEA operations in Mexico and the DEA's working relationship with foreign law enforcement units," the two senators said in a letter dated May 23, 2022.

The Senator also has accused the DEA of cooperating with the press better than with the Justice Department and Congress. A possible issue occurred following the capture of their most wanted Rafael “Caro” Quintero in June 2022 with DEA Administrator Anne Milgram congratulating the DEA on their involvement in the arrest. The message was removed and President AMLO stated that the DEA was not involved and that the operation was carried out by the military in Mexico.

Special thanks to Buggs


  1. Man this guys are going hard on the chupitos, is it safe to say they are done? With all this heat on them, and they not able to live out in the mountains like mayo and Don Mencho?

    1. I think chapitos are done give them about 24 months and there all going to be locked up

  2. I always taught that CJNG was the biggest Fentanyl player

    1. I would have to agree. Haven’t seen one change in prices since Chapitos said fent off limits. Homeless people still paying 1-$2 to get loaded

    2. 5:08 probably because chapitos never stopped.

    3. Nope. Fentanyl is or was "Los Chupitos"😆 business, the DEA prioritizes the investigation of the groups that pose the most danger with their trafficking of drugs that cause the most harm. Beside it doesn't matter if they're no longer producing fentanyl in Sinaloa or wherever, what matters is how much their distributors had stockpiled in the USA.
      Recreational consumers don't know if those blue pills are hot so their consumption decreased by a large enough % that the hardcore users haven't "finished" the supply and the value of those Ⓜ️ has also cratered. Synthetics of dubious quality are not worth the risk to reward when trafficking or the possible loss of life.
      MZ still producing and supplying his distributors, hence the seizures of chemicals and implements for its production in the areas he controls.
      CJNG made a video saying they don't traffic with fentanyl, whatever, but certainly not at the scale of the "CDS" and other groups based in Sinaloa.

    4. Back when the pills first showed up, every news outlet was saying it was CJNG, as they were/are the biggest provider of synthetic drugs… since then, we haven’t seen them get hit with a single load, let alone any precursors… easy math there.

    5. 6:01. I was with you until you states MZ is biggest dist. I realize there have been possible labs near Cosala - but the busts closer to Culiacán were obvious LOs Chapitos propaganda.
      Secondly; how can you rationally equate anything that CJNG states with a mórsal of reality? These are the same tweakers taking orders from someone has evil; but 100 times smarter than Z40 to kidnap, charge piso, and terrorize literally every plaza where they can generate revenue from poor, weak, low class beggars and vendors.
      Mayo has been around long enough (successfully rather you wish to admit or not) and a thug operating like Z40, Muncho, and the psychopathic mob bosses do not stand any credibility outside their own interests. Mayo has a history of taking a larger view of diplomacy and partnership (granted for selfish reasons); but which displays a 4 or 5 decade spree that is light years above los spoiled Chapitos and the very unhealthy and evil (if alive) El Muncho.

      The No-Strings Attached Spectator

    6. 12:36 Chapitos and Mayos(father and son) apparently don't have the same business relationship Chapo and Mayo had so it's very probable they no longer share trafficking routes and other important common interests. They're now competitors not only in Sinaloa but also in México and the USA market.
      From the investigations that have become public knowledge of Los Chapitos it seems like they wanted to dominate the fentanyl market as it was emerging in USA. As demand increased other druglords, especially those who have common operating areas and trafficking plazas, started sourcing the chemicals to manufacture and supply their own distributors and wholesale clients.
      Los Chapitos market share was significant enough that they were targeted by DEA, who do you think is going to step up to supply those distributors who very likely are from Sinaloa? By taking on those clients they also economically weaken Chapitos.
      Michoacán and Tamaulipas are another two states where opposing drug trafficking groups war over territory to produce and export/smuggle narcotics.
      If I mentioned that CJNG video is because I understand the significance of it.
      "Mayo has a history of taking a larger view of diplomacy and partnership" Jajaja. Turning in or killing his lieutenants is what he's known for. Also compadres from what has been said.
      No criminal organization can be bankrolled solely by selling narcotics, those times have passed and won't return because the current federal government in México (AMLO) is unwilling to decimate those groups. Not enough security.

    7. 12:36 CDS propaganda got you good 😂

    8. Whoever decided to stamp pills with the M will be getting their chonies sued off for copyright infringement. Never should've tried to rip off big pharma.

  3. @hearst @borderlandbeat

    Funny vid.
    Enrique Alfaro gets asked to send a shout out to someone's uncle- that person uncle is Nemesio Oseguera[allegedly]🤣🤣.

    1. Shout out to my tio Mencho!

      Shout out here to uhhh, Tom Hoffman and his little dog Ember in Chantilly, Virginia

    2. Trust me thats not his uncle es pura carrilla 😅

  4. Another U.S presidential term where el "Mayo Zambada" gets by unbothered and unnoticed?🤨

    1. US doesn't want to touch Zambada.
      If they were to capture him now he would have already trained his replacement anyways. He's probably been training him for the past ten years at least. Be it family or other.

    2. Sooooooo, el mayo goes untouched because he's already trained replacements? Bru, put more thought into it.

      I'm over here thinking el mayo might be a CIA/DEA pawn at this point.

    3. Zambada is the main snitch, he's safe from harm for now 🐀

    4. From 5:56 to 6:17 that's not what I meant.
      What is mean is that after all these years without a hint of Zambada being captured he's already trained his replacement. This means his capture will make absolutely zero impact on the Sinaloa cartel.

    5. 842 how did Chapos capture affect the sinaloa cartel? The gringos still got him? Your logic is flawed.

    6. 842 what a nonsensical argument.
      Criminals are to be caught and sought after, you don't stop pursuing Narco-terroristas just because their herederos are lined up already?

      No one;

      The U.S government; hey we can't capture el mayo because he's predecessor's are trained and his capture will absolutely have no impact on criminal operations? Imagine. 🤨

    7. I'm not saying don't capture leaders. I'm saying it fucken takes to long to do so that it's almost worthless to do that.
      Chapos capture did nothing to the cartel overall.
      Sinaloa still at the top of their game in Mexico.

  5. There all rats! they'll do or say anything to save there worthless asses. the mafia is over mexico needs justice!

  6. Americans always crying that Mexicans are so corrupt, nobody in Mexico does anything to help stop the flow of drugs into the US and blah blah blah blah.
    Then you have informants like these two that willingly help the DEA of all agencies and what does the US do for them?
    Let's them die.
    DEA and such agencies always promise these guys financial compensation if they help asich as needed however they are treated as dispensable. If they die the US simply continues on to the next guys they can get as informants.
    The US does not even consider helping the families these informants leave behind and continue their gripe that Mexico/Mexicans do not help the US/Americans quench their immense appetite for drugs.

    1. Yes 538 blame the US for everything wrong. The cartels and almo get a pass because they are Mexican. Go back to sleep dumbass.

    2. 🤦‍♂️The supposed "informants/cooperators" got themselves involved with those people for whatever rea$on and were trying to lessen their punishment from authorities.
      They F'ed around with Los Chapitos and found out what happens to "informants/cooperators".
      Only their fault for involving themselves in that deadly business.

    3. 8:49 Personal Responsibility for their actions. Gotta pay somehow. Ni modo. I choose to not consume any drugs and not commit crimes so my chances of dying from drug poisoning or going to jail are minimal.

    4. Half of Americans think guns should not be blamed on killings but people themselves.
      Same thing with drugs.
      Don't blame the drugs. Blame the idiots who take them!


    It turns out CJNG was involved on the murder of Méxican rapping sensation "lefty sm" social media is starting to talk and everyone is mentioning the same person, a high ranking CJNG member.

    1. CJNG does control that zone wouldn't be surprised

  8. Los Mayos sending tons of fentanyl to the US and they're invisible for the US authorities. WTF is going on? Why is DEA picking sides?

    1. It’s all a game, hijo..

    2. How do you know about the tons?

    3. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, MZ faction IS CDS. They form the backbone of CDS. They were moving product when Chapitos still had suckers in their mouths.
      The only way that a Drug trafficker like Mayo can stay free and operational for so long is to be protected by the government. In his case he might be receiving immunity from BOTH governments, Mexico and USA.
      DEA knows that if Mayo goes down in flames a shitstorm will follow. Mayo has been there since the beginning, he knows everything about everyone. In their estimation, it's more beneficial for everybody to let him live out the rest of his life in peace than to string him up and force him to SPILL THE BEANS on corrupt high ranking Mexican officials DEA informants, CBP agents, corrupt DEA agents etc.
      If Mayo gets busted a lot of SHIT is going to come out on many many important people. That's a can of worms that nobody wants to open.

  9. You know who is the biggest drug dealer? The Chinese communist regime.

    1. Well they did get screwed by a bigger drug dealer centuries ago… the British Empire

    2. The world needs to deal with these ch*nky f*cks right now before they continue to gain strength.

  10. Back in 2010 it was said between the top producers in Sinaloa federation that whoever worked the chiva sintética aka fentanyl was going to be hunted down all the way to the doorsteps of their safe house the dea already had picked up a few guys in the mountains of culiacan with Mexican army forces result from massive deaths on shipments that where too pure they figured out how to make it leas lethal over the years and got confident and opened a market as they went. The younger generation of narco juniors who where less supervised likely the Ivan and Guanos sons faction mass produced the first mega shipments of bricks and blues to flood the United States at all cost with millions of dollars to invest the chemical ingredients being purchased at dirt cheap prices buy 2 tons and the third one is on us type of deal Chinese are smart keep ‘‘em coming

    1. That shit wasnt around in 2010 ur trippin

    2. It was definitely around in 2012 so I assume it was in the states since 2009 - 2010 the earliest??

    3. You can chart it to like 2014

      rise in fentanyl

      it was around via the dark net type of thing but before 2014/2016 they weren't doing major shipments from Culiacan

      my guess, is after Chapo was gone the second time, they really ramped everything up

      production, distribution, importation

    4. where too pure they figured out how to make it leas lethal over the years … that where you lost credit

    5. 11:05 what credit did I loose I only posted this comment to inform that the United States has been aware of fentanyl being sold in china white bricks since 2009 probably even earlier but wasant being advertised as fentanyl just like meth wasant advertised as sintetica when they stopped using efedrina sudafeds or whatever you want to call it they made fake meth and sold it at the same price 7 k or 5 k a pound when today it sells for 800 dollars becAuse everyone knows they are sinthetic I really shouldn’t explain the rest lol

    6. 6:56 why weren't so many people dying back then if what you claim is true?

    7. 1:20 they were dying mainly in the east coast only diference is the formula they make it with more cut ingridients like the ones that tylenol contains 80 percent or more any less makes it lethal to new users the old users love it. Today the rise in deaths is beacause they are smoking the pills now and any stupid kid thinks he can take a hit like if it’s weed it’s a new group of people these days back then it was everyday junkies using it today it’s a popular expirimental drug for our kids sadly

    8. 5:34 you sure you're not talking about "H de oro"?
      Basically it was a more potent form of chiva negra without being negra, it takes some more processes to make it and it was a whitish or beige color. My understanding of it is that the opioid base is more refined/concentrated but since goma has lost its value the sierreños no longer plant it.

  11. it was Sicario005.9 and Sicario006,1

  12. Not a chorizo rider but just puts in prospective the connects and influence Mayo has . He has been a boss since the Amado days. He has seen Amado Ramon Benjamin Vicente Lazcano Osiel Joaquin fall . Shit he might even be alive to even see mencho fall

    1. According to Vicente’s book, Amado worked for Mayo..

    2. What's the title of the book? VCF el viceroy?

    3. Supposedly he was also chapos boss

    4. 8:07 Está hablando de "El Traidor" El diario secreto del hijo del mayo escrito por Anabel Hernández

    5. 8:07 El traidor El diaro secreto del hijo del mayo . Vicente zambada

    6. Funny back in the days they believed that mayo and chapo were a satellite cartel a minor partner to the juarez cartel. Amado worked for his uncle and for pablo acosta then he worked with rafael aguilar the boss of the juarez cartel till he was killed. After that amado carrillo fuentes worked for no one but himself.

    7. 4:18 I also don't think Amado worked for mayo . I feel like they where on par on the same level . Chapo when Amado was around wasn't at their level yet . Mayo has had his own political pull and own drug pipeline since the 80s

    8. 418 like Narcos on Netflix or was that all booshit?

    9. Mayo Zambada was at one time allied with Amado Carillo. It's been said Mayo actually ran the Juarez cartel at one time perhaps before or along with Carillo Fuentes.
      When Sinaloa attacked Juarez in 2008 this is how they knew who to attack.

  13. Good thing they were informants and not true DEA agents. That would’ve had cln filled with special agents.

  14. So could it be someone that turned their backs on them ? Aka someone that used to be close to chapos ?

  15. Being an informant in their turf it’s like smoking close to a gasoline pump.

    1. Not that it's a good idea, but you can throw a lit cigarette in a bowl of gasoline and it will not ignite. Looks cool in the movies though, especially if you're a surfer.

    2. Yep, it's the fumes that are flammable, not the liquid..
      Nevertheless, don't try this at home..

  16. Talk about impeccable reporting..

    Remember all that debate here about what happens when you lose your arm as a security chief? Lol.. guess you can be a cook!

  17. Seems like Oviedo is truly ending up to be the scapegoat here… since his arrest, nothing has changed.. right?

  18. Gaspar got killed for threatening some foos in Pericos and shooting a few rounds.

  19. Also Che worked for chapos and gaspar worked for mayo

  20. Mayonnaise is en El Paso tx 915 vatos

  21. Zambada family keeps on being informants & rats 🐀

    1. the only rats are the los jaliscochos

  22. Is it a coincidence the Anne's last name roughly translates to a kilo? She looks like she could be kind of mean.

  23. Can’t really be shocked… If those cooperators weren’t dead at the time of the announcement, they sure as hell where about to be. How do you announce to the world that you infiltrated the cartel, without having pulled them out?… yeah, they where 100% either already dead or in witness protection.


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