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Saturday, September 15, 2012

The Future of The Gulf Cartel: Two Opposing Views

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I began this AM reading an article in the Houston Chron, in which the summation  suggests CDG (Gulf Cartel) will survive.  The next article I read was in the LA Times, its summation says they are possibly finished. Two respected media sources, possibly the most knowledgeable US newspaper sources on the Mexican Drugwar, viewing the aftermath of recent events differently.   I am not a fan of the catch the kingpin strategy, although there is a moment of euphoria, for the most part it does little to damage a strong cartel, and evaporates too large a bite of the limited resources of Mexico.
 Although Calderon has been brave in his fight, and he deserves respect for his attempts, his largest flaw was his failed plan of targeting kingpins.  The middle layer operators should have been the target, the movers and shakers, the money guys if capos are caught in such operations, all the better.  Cartels are well prepared to have replacements, selected in the event of kingpin capture.  As for the Z split, I am not buying that it is between Lazcano and Trevino.  I can’t see a motive.  They have split the business long ago, Lazca has the diversification business and 40 the drugs.  More likely it is a war between 40 and Taliban and that split would lead to little consequence in the long run or that Taliban has jumped ship.  That said, Zs are spread pretty thin, and cover a  massive amount of geography, they need additional alliances or they will suffer during this outbreak of violence.   That is my opinion, like everyone else I have one, like the others time is the only sure bet.  I recall a little over a year ago another BB contributor and I were in a debate about CDG, he thought CDG were much stronger than Zs, and that Zs were so  weak and would be soon eliminated, I on the other hand thought  CDG  would be eliminated and Zs would absorb some of its members, stay tuned……Paz, Chivis
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Pena:  "He will have to out-Calderon Calderon."
Houston Chron:
The history of major arrests of Mexican drug “cartel” leaders during the administration of President Felipe Calderón (2006-December 2012) indicates that despite important apprehensions, many Mexican organized crime groups prove resilient. Thus, the arrests this week by Mexico’s Marines of two long-time high-level leaders of the Gulf cartel are not likely to decimate the organization.
Unlike many arrests in Mexico, where mid-level lieutenants are portrayed as cartel heads the moment they are arrested, Jorge Eduardo Costilla Sanchez, or El Coss” appears to have been the genuine article: a true cartel head. Also arrested this week was Mario Cardenas Guillen the brother of former Gulf cartel head Osiel Cardenas Guillen. Mario Cardenas Guillen‘s arrest marks the death or arrest of the last of the Cardenas Guillen brothers.
When Osiel Cardenas Guillen was arrested in 2003 and extradited to the United States in 2007, El Coss and Cardenas’ brother, Tony “Tormenta,” rose in the organization’s ranks. Tony Tormenta was killed in a shootout with Mexican naval forces in 2010.
The Mexican Navy has also made important arrests of drug kingpins, which suggests it has targeted the Gulf cartel for some time. As Wikileaks cables have demonstrated, the Mexican Navy is more willing to act on intelligence provided by the United States on the whereabouts of cartel heads — e.g., it was willing to act on U.S. intelligence on the whereabouts of Arturo Beltran Leyva, killing him in 2009. Unlike that operation, the arrest of El Coss appears to be a Mexican operation according to U.S. officials, suggesting that Mexico has developed its own electronic surveillance capabilities. This is in line with reporting by El Universal and that Mexico has dramatically increased its use of surveillance technology in the drug war. It should also be noted that Mario Cardenas Guillen’s arrest contributed intelligence to the El Coss arrest, according to Mexican government officials.
The arrests will certainly be disruptive for the Gulf cartel, but don’t hold your breath waiting for its demise. The Gulf cartel has roots in smuggling networks stretching back to the prohibition of alcohol in the United States. Further, it has deep connections in the social fabric of northeastern Mexico and, as the recent U.S. asset forfeiture of a former state governor in Mexico shows, powerful political ties. Finally, it boasts extensive U.S. domestic wholesale transportation networks.
Analysts, pundits and even government officials have said that the Arellano Felix Organization (AFO, or the Tijuana Cartel) is dead, or have often said that “it is a shadow of its former self” following the arrest of Benjamin Arellano Felix in 2002, the arrest of his brother El Tigrillo in 2006, and the arrest of his other brother, El Doctor, in 2008. U.S. Attorney Laura Duffy was so eager to declare victory that she simply renamed the organization the Fernando Sanchez Organization (FSO)—named for the nephew of the Arellano Felix Organization founders who likely took control of the organization in 2006. Needless to say, the moniker did not stick. The AFO continues to function, according to recent articles in the Mexican political magazine Proceso.
Gulf cartel internecine conflict
The real threats to the continued functioning of the Gulf cartel are its internecine conflicts and its competition with Los Zetas, its former security-force-turned-rivals. There appears to have been an internal rift within the Gulf cartel between factions known as Los Rojos and Los Metros in 2011 over an issue of leadership succession in the Reynosa plaza. It appears that the Metros emerged victorious, controlling the Gulf cartel leadership although the Rojos “retain considerable manpower.”
Divided Zetas
Further complicating the power dynamics in the region, the Gulf cartel’s rivals, Los Zetas, also appear to be suffering an internal split between those loyal to Heriberto Lazcano, alias “El Lazca,” and Miguel Angel Trevino, known as “Z-40.” The Gulf cartel has been reported to have an alliance with the Sinaloa cartel against Los Zetas since the Gulf-Zeta split in 2010.
A bipolar organized crime structure
These arrests can be viewed in terms of the broader organized crime struggles in Mexico. Despite the increase in the number of Mexican “cartels” following the government’s militarized onslaught, a bipolar structure has emerged in Mexican drug trafficking. Much like the Cold War, where smaller powers allied with the United States or Soviet Union, Mexican organized crime has consolidated its alliance structure between two major powers, the Sinaloa cartel and Los Zetas. Smaller cartels find themselves allying with one of these powers, as the Gulf cartel has allied with the Sinaloa cartel against the Zetas since 2010.
Viewed through this lens, it is most likely that former Gulf cartel factions will continue their alliance with the Sinaloa cartel to counter the more immediate local threat from Los Zetas. Any defections from the Gulf cartel to the Zetas would likely be from the Rojos faction, which has lost members to the Zetas in the past and which is likely more disgruntled following the victory of the Metros in their internal struggles. The Zetas may take this as an opportunity to consolidate power in northeastern Mexico in the vacuum left by the arrest of El Coss. However, if reports of Zeta internal strife are accurate, they may be in no position to go on the offensive.
LA Times:
The capture of Jorge Eduardo Costilla Sanchez is the second arrest of a Gulf cartel capo in 10 days. A violent power struggle may ensue, posing a challenge to Mexico's incoming president.
Authorities have captured the top leader of the Gulf cartel, a potentially fatal blow to one of Mexico's major drug-trafficking networks that could also unleash a violent power struggle that would pose an immediate and explosive challenge to the incoming government of President-elect Enrique Peña Nieto.
It is the second big catch of a suspected Gulf cartel capo in 10 days and essentially wipes out the leadership of an organization that once dominated large parts of Mexico. The cartel still controls important smuggling routes to the United States through the northeastern border region.
Jorge Eduardo Costilla Sanchez, alias "El Coss," was arrested Wednesday night at a home in the eastern port city of Tampico, in the border state of Tamaulipas, navy spokesman Vice Adm. Jose Luis Vergara said Thursday. He said Costilla did not resist, but five of his bodyguards were captured in an earlier shootout; other gunmen fleeing that skirmish apparently led troops to Costilla's hide-out.
Flanked by masked marines, Costilla was presented to reporters in Mexico City on Thursday morning. Mustachioed and beefy, he remained stone-faced during the appearance. He stood before a table laden with guns, several hundred rounds of ammunition and a collection of high-priced jewelry, all seized in the raid that ended in his capture, Vergara said.
Costilla was one of the most-wanted fugitives in Mexico, whose government had offered a reward of about $2.3 million. In the United States, where he is also wanted on drug-trafficking charges and for allegedly attempting to kill U.S. federal agents, officials had placed a $5-million bounty on his head.
The Gulf cartel had been losing ground to its onetime ally and armed wing, the vicious Zetas paramilitary force, and, to fight back, formed a partnership with the powerful Sinaloa cartel, Mexico's largest. Together, they waged brutal warfare with the Zetas over control of an ever-widening swath of Mexico, from Tamaulipas down the eastern coast through Veracruz state and westward into the once-tranquil, prosperous state of Nuevo Leon. The region saw some of the most ghastly bloodshed of the drug war, including beheadings, massacres of migrants and the dumping of large numbers of bodies in main thoroughfares.
The demise of the Gulf cartel's leadership foretells another likely battle that will be very bloody as gangs scramble to fill the void and seize Gulf assets. Second-tier Gulf lieutenants may vie violently for control, while the Zetas could also sense an opportunity to step up efforts to destroy what's left of the Gulf cartel.
And the Sinaloa cartel, fighting for routes and market share in the northeast through its Gulf proxy, will probably have to enter the fray more directly.
That will hand an ever-more messy landscape to Peña Nieto, who takes office Dec. 1 and will be under pressure to act quickly to quell violence and prove his own mettle in handling drug cartels.
"This could mean a very rough ride for Peña Nieto in the first few months," Alejandro Hope, an analyst and former Mexican intelligence official, told The Times. "He will need to quickly send a message that he is tough, that he is not a pushover" in the drug war. "He will have to out-Calderon Calderon."
President Felipe Calderon and his government celebrated the capture of Costilla, part of their controversial strategy of going after the senior leaders of drug-trafficking organizations in the hope of fracturing and weakening their operations. More than 55,000 people have been killed since Calderon launched his military-led offensive against the cartels shortly after he took office in December 2006.
The captures of Costilla, 41, on Wednesday and of Mario Cardenas Guillen last week in effect wipe out the traditional leadership of the Gulf cartel, one of the oldest in Mexico. Cardenas is the brother of Osiel Cardenas Guillen, a longtime boss of the organization who was arrested in 2003 and extradited to the United States in 2007. He entered a plea agreement in a Texas court in early 2010, receiving 25 years amid suspicion that he was cooperating with U.S. authorities.
It may be that cooperation that has helped U.S. and Mexican authorities penetrate the Gulf cartel more successfully than most other drug gangs. And Vergara, the navy spokesman, suggested that Costilla's detention was a direct result of information provided by Mario Cardenas Guillen.
In November 2010, another of the Cardenas Guillen brothers, Antonio Ezequiel (alias Tony Tormenta), who had assumed the leadership after Osiel's removal, was killed in a gunfight with Mexican marines, the military branch credited with some of the most important scores in the drug war.
"This capture ... puts an end to a generation," Ricardo Ravelo, an expert on cartels who has written extensively on the subject, said in a radio interview. It also leaves the Zetas solidly as the second-most important cartel in Mexico, after Sinaloa, he said.
Yet it is not altogether clear that the Zetas are in a position to take full advantage of the Gulf cartel's weakness. The Zetas are reported to be in the throes of infighting and divisions — possibly a product of how rapidly they expanded in recent years — that could hamper their ability to exploit the moment.
Eduardo Guerrero, a Mexican scholar who specializes in security issues, said both the divisions in the Zetas and the debilitation of the Gulf cartel could end up limiting any violence as a result of Costilla's arrest.
"The detention could provoke a fragmentation of the cartel," he said via email. "It is probable that the Sinaloa cartel would absorb some [Gulf] cells, while others could also affiliate with the Zetas."
Other experts criticized the Calderon strategy of going after cartel leaders without pursuing their money or otherwise truly hurting their operations. Peña Nieto has been vague about his security plans except to vow to continue the war on drug gangs while focusing energies on the crimes of homicide, extortion and kidnapping.
"The problem is that killing or capturing the capo does not end the business," said Jose Reveles, author of "El Cartel Incomodo" (The Uncomfortable Cartel), about the Sinaloa network. "The violence continues. The trafficking continues. The fortunes remain intact."


  1. You're a very good communicator Chivis, and I enjoyed reading your 'take' on the situation found in the intro you've given us above).

    I've red a lot of commentaries at different Mexican Narco Blog sites. Some give Calderon credit for his ambition in trying to get some control over criminal organizations but a great many more gave him thumbs down. I feel he deserves more credit than he's be given. We certainly don't want criminals running our country do we? No, so the president tried to do something of good for the country.

    Cheerio, Saludos

  2. Click here: Mexico Drug Violence: 16 Bodies Found Along Border

  3. Good Read,, it will be a tough fight for CDG,,

  4. I asure u one thing amigo tamaulipas will never b chapos. Not in reynosa. We wont let it happpen

    1. Lol! Ur an idiot!! And ur probably from North Dakota!

  5. Dayum,are you really this nice?No way Jose.
    Middle class hysterics from middle class women.
    You need to use la violencia to understand that it is so easy,that it doesn't choque algunas personas.Some people need it to happen to them.

  6. you know nothing, the talivans joined the gulf cartel, the z40 and the z3 split and they are fighting for the leadership in the cities where the z have presence they are fighting right now a deadly war against the cdg now reinforced by the talivans, so the arrest of the XX as the cdg members call el coss will mean nothing in the long run.

  7. I heard the same shit. Im the guy that posted chapo.will never take over tamps especially not reyna. But ive been hearing bout los.talies joining up but its just what goes round town I didnt have hard evidence.. If u know more please cheer amigo.. Ive herd alot if talk also that cdg will emerge.much stronger cuz el plaito entre los cardenas n el xx is behind now the orginization will.once agien be one. Im not down to help el puto chapo though, many arent

  8. I will attempt this again, as my comments are not making the cut. I just wanted to say that I am very pleased that you are back posting.

  9. the tijuana cartel is growing bigger than it was before im not mexican but i live here in tijuana and thank god i made good friends they call me white boy cause im white

  10. Middle layer workers for the Sinaloa cartel were arrested, over 700 in one operation in different states in the U.S., a few years back. What did it change?

  11. Come on people you know how it is nadie sabe para quien trabaja cia uses cartels like they want it once they get tired of them or they don't need them no more they kill them put them in jail and rob them most of their money

  12. Chivis: I agree with your analysis. Calderon's strategy of cutting off the heads of cartels increased violence and fragemented the cartels into many smaller groups that have been impossible to control. In addition, it looks like there are a lot of unemployed narquillos out there who are turning to other sources of income because a rival cartel has taken control of drug trafficking in their area. In Juarez, for example, although the number of homicides has decreased, there are a lot of kidnappings, levantones, extortion, car and home jackings, and an increase in retail sales (tienditas). So the government can say that they have things under control but the people are still not safe. However, the clearest proof that this analysis is correct, in my opinion, is that the supply of drugs has not diminished and prices have not increased,in Mexico or in the U.S., which would be the case if cartel operations had indeed been impaired.

    I also agree that the Zetas have kicked CDG's butt. I don't see the question as being whether the CDG will survive or not. Its members will still be around and working in their chosen professions, it's more a question of how will they be organized or which company will they join.

    Friends in Mexico all tell me they expect the violence will decrease once the PRI and the Sinaloa cartel come to an agreement, if they have not done so already. But for that to work, they have to get rid of the Zs.

    By the way, welcome back.

  13. CDG will survive. CDG will continue to battle los zetas. The weren't made overnight and they won't go away overnight.

  14. Houston chron lol!!!

  15. A lot can be read and said about the cartels on Mexico's side but what about leaders on the US side? Like Daniel Nunez aka El Comandante. He was caught and arrested in Florida and is now in TX awaiting trials. This happened back in Jan and it just seems like CDGs are falling like dominos. I think there should be more to be said and written about the US connections and leadership. Since its almost impossible to control the violence in the Mexican side, maybe taking down thier US connections can help to take them down or at least slow them down. What do you think?

  16. Given that its on their doorstep I'll take the Houston chronicles article over the la times

  17. why isn't a USA political tie never mentioned? it is always 'strong Mexican ties' BS, there are a bunch of crooked cops, politicians, and customs agentes in the USA that make all this happen, without them this cannot happen. Please bring them out to light, they are no saints.

  18. CDG got Hammered hard,no lube...

  19. Chop off the head, the money, the feet, the balls. Hit 'em high, hit 'em low. Let em kill each other when they fight for vacancies at all levels. Sieze the hell out of property and cash. Try both strategies at once. I just like to hear of the bad guys getting jacked up or killed.

  20. Oh CDG,should never have betrayed the Letter in the first place.
    Just imagine if CDG were still allied with the Letter....CDG can only imagine now.

  21. Why the us nevet.mentioned ? Because the us laundets the money. If the feds follow trail,not only will kingpins from us will fall but many important figures in this country counting politicians as well .
    Remember money is whatbcoubts,and that's what they are not trying to kill the snakes head.

  22. I am telling you right now.....zetas have NOT kicked CDG's ass. They have not been able to take their territory and it'll be 3 years of trying in January. Don't get hung up because you think zetas are bigger blah blah blah. CDG isn't going anywhere history should tell everybody that come on now get real. CDG is very very entrenched and deeply loved and supported. zetas will never take them out. zetas need to be worrying about getting their asses kicked in Nuevo Laredo and Monterrey which is their home turf but they are getting ran out, have been for months now. I hope they do try to take CDG out honestly that is going to help Chapo to take over NL and MTY. Great article....but zetas aren't as dominate as many think. Like another poster said...CDS lost over 600 in a DEA sweep...didn't stop anything. CDG lost over over 70 million dollars and 16,000 kilos of cocaine in DEA Project Reckoning Phase 1 and 2 in 2008 ....and their operation didn't die. Don't mistake this settling of scores for their demise. It's just another part of business. Cos snitched his way thru his time with CDG and he now he's paying the price.

  23. @ 7:38 am

    LOL, Z have not taken CDG territory. What was MTY and NLdo and coahuila zactecas sanluis potosi veracruz before the split? It was CDG territory so you see CDG is operating in about a tenth of the territory it used to control.

  24. C.D.G. is trash, ever since the slaughter of the pigs. To me, that is truly weak.

  25. WTF is this garbage people speak of... I keep seeing videos & reading articles about Los Zetas what the media thinks they are... what people think they are... unless you've served in a military force specifically a special operations force you still don't understand what Los Zetas really is.. You still don't get it... "History will show blah blah blah..." ... History will teach you that a trained force will defeat an untrained force every fucken time... The original Zeta members are GAFE(Grupo Airemobile Fuerzas Especiales)soldiers to include "El Lazca" & "Z40"... They're abilities are to be force multipliers in combat... Do you get what that means?... That means they can recruit, train basic combat skills, & teach their doctrine to the masses... & it seems they've had an abundent supply of pawns in this Drug War... Los Zetas are a CANCER to Mexico & it seems that their soul purpose is to destroy the competition by anymeans necessary... You need to start realizing the possibility of why the Sinaloa Cartel has not taken a major hit to it's leadership... theirs always that (US Gov't Mafia)agency known as the C.I.A. playing their fucken role in foriegn affairs 'cause it always comes down to the $$$ (funding for future operations, operatives stash accounts,etc)... That'll explain why Guzman & Zambada have a step ahead in escaping capture everytime the F.B.I. intel gives their Mexican counterparts their possible locations... The only way to defeat cartels or an enemy force is to irradicate/exterminate them... The only way that would be possible is US military intervention but unfortunately that possibilty is unlikely... The unfortunate truth is that many Mexicans are more willing to take money & shut the fuck up than to fight for their basic liberties & justice thanks in part to the PRIs way of doing things in their last 70year reign... Everyone wants to talk shit about Calderon What? Did you think 6 years of battling the cartels was gonna turn things all around after 70 years of allowing them to operate freely... Aleast he had the balls to start the battle to possibly take back the country... Who knows now if Pena will continue the fight or give in to the possibility of more $$$$...

    1. Once again we have another expert with no solution or even real knowledge of what's happening. Z-40 was never in the military. American military action? Yeah, great idea...since we do so well in guerilla campaigns and insurgencies...Iraq, Vietnam and Afghan...America's shining moments. You sir are a blowhard. - El Blanco Guy

    2. 40 was part of Mexican military? GAFE? That must be a closely guarded secret then. Didn't know that. So good a secret that even the Mexican military wasn't aware of that. And here we thought he was a car washer out of Nuevo Laredo. As for balls of steel calderon, not sure if you heard but no longer residing in Mexico...USA is his new location. Some cajones huh...It takes some big ones to have other people fight your fight from the safety of Los pinos, once the safety net is gone, and no one to order to fight your fight though, it time to get to the nearest available one.

  26. The statement "... Calderon has been brave in his fight, and he deserves respect for his attempts, his largest flaw was his failed plan of targeting kingpins" ought to be added with some sort of qualification.

    First, to assume that it was Calderon's goal to defeat the cartels (i.e. stop the flow of drugs) is simply infinitively naiive. Do not forget that drugs = politics and as long as there is demand only the death sentence for USAGE will stop the flow. Since that is not desired be either establishment (north and south), both aim for a manageable drug trade.

    Second, the effect of Calderon's plan has been the fragmentation of the cartel structure in Mexico. Removing strong leaders facilitates the disintegration of any organization. If the goal of Calderon was to fragement the cartels (as a first step to turn the trade manageable) he has indeed been successfull.

    1. It's infinitely naive to assume that fragmenting cartels will make them more manageable. In fact it makes them far more difficult to deal with. The farce called the drug war has claimed more lives than ever would be ruined by drugs if they were legal.
      Legalization is the only answer. As long as there are billions to be made there will always be qualified men to fill the role of capo. Calderon is another stubborn fool politician with blood all over his hands. We have so many institutions that exist solely because drugs are illegal. In the grand scheme of things, prohibition is a new concept...and it has failed each and every time.
      Even a death penalty won't stop users and sellers. Pandora's box is open and pragmatism is the order of the day. I'm gonna go smoke a joint of American grown pot right now, and I will wake up in the morning go to school and work after that. Everybody needs to get real. The drugs are not the problem. The cartels aren't even the root of the problem. The actual catalyst for this carnage is foolish policies, and a "legitimate" society that runs on blood money. We are set to go down in history as the most vapid and dysfunctional era since the first man walked upright. We need to stop posturing and solve the fucking problem. It starts by correctly identifying the problem.
      -Blanco Guy

  27. Let's put it this way; If ever Lazcano should come out of the woodwork, it would be now..!He alone would know how to take advantage of the"CDG" Power Vacum presently available to him.
    The reason being he worked with them for years as well as knows all the Guatamala/Columbian connections Osiel had and he still has them for his people's purpose. This guy has alot of respect from both his people and Gulf honcho's!
    Do not count this guy out because of what you hear about him taking a back seat to Z40. It's 100% B.S. Him and Chapo are the Only Cartel Boss's that have not be scathed and Lazcano with his factiion will definately rear his head and try and take what he thinks is his; now that he doesn't really have to fight for it!

  28. Let em all kill themselves, trouble is it won't stop the murders or the Drug smuggers One Ioda!

  29. Todavia queda un puto Cardenas, el Homero Cardenas Guillen.
    The Cardenas family always said he was worthless compared to his brothers, but now they are saying he is a bad ass that has always run the CDG with his brothers. Pretty pathetic but thats the last Cardenas Guillen brothers left, it was his fault that Osiel first did jail time in Tamaulipas, before he became boss.

  30. Lots of cdg in Houston.

  31. The cartel bosses/Kingpins are not the only problem in Mexico a Mexican President has to deal with... His own congress members, military officials, police officials who are intertwined with the cartels because of $$$$... They've forgotten what their purpose is & have not given a shit about the people(the Mexican Citizens) their there to serve... That is why there is lawlessness, no security, & no justice in Mexico... The cartels are only part of the problem... Mexico is at war with itself... civil war maybe necessary if the citizenry would grow a pair & take back their country... There is too much indifference in Mexico and they alone are raising the deathtoll... What do you want? to live on your knees the rest of your life?... They just celebrated their Independence... for what though... Every generation must fight for what their fallen have fought for... Freedom isn't free...

    1. Take it back with what they are essentially disarmed unless you take on an army with m-16s with a 38 revolver, they are near poverty or below it in some cases, the Mexican people are getting fucked in the ass without lube and being forced to like it they need our help they need a few good men not to say they're are not brave good men in Mexico, but how good can you be surrounded by TRASH. I understand why you said it, but common you must research a tad bit before putting the responsibility of revolt on a poor starved beaten depressed hopeless disarmed people we the American people for years have gladly taken their trash weed their heroin and cocaine and now meth. I mean coke use to be a social drug, you think all those heavy "social" users just stopped using?? All our soldiers coming home addicted to morphine and the opium gum from the poppy fields turning to heroin. We need to feel the pain so we can truly see the problem. The greatest nation in the world supposedly and all I see in my neighborhood is pothead kids coked out teenagers and when I'm in a homeless area they're mostly on heroin. Anywhere in America if you had a pocket full of drugs you'd get rid of it faster than a pocket full of money it's time for world involvement we can't continue to be appalled by these animals we finance. And I know alot of us don't do drugs but I have in the past I've tried coke weed and meth not proud of it but will admit it and know that it's not hard to find at home nor groups that support that use

  32. "Lazcano should come out of the woodwork, it would be now..!He alone would know how to take advantage of the"CDG" Power Vacum" there was around the time Osiel was extradited to US he took over the leadership but costilla and tony didnt want 2. and in 2003 when Osiel was captured, 40 was considered his succesor...

  33. Since we're questioning knowledge here... Where do tell did Z-40 get his training from since you seem to have the intel on him. He was never in the military right & you know this from what source of intel?... And please don't tell us from a Mexican News Media source... And who the fuck are you to question U.S. military action/ability? dumbass... We have the most highly trained soldiers in Guerrilla/Unconventional/Assymetric Warfare now how the current administration chooses to use them that's a whole other discussion... Now you want to comment on Vietnam, Iraq, & Afghanistan yet you probably never served in the military so you have no fucken foundation to your comment... Did you serve in the RedCross or the Peace Corps overthere in those countries to see for yourself?... no you probably didn't... Yeah serving in the US miltary & primarily in special operations makes me an expert... since we're questioning credentials...
    The solution has been presented the Mexican Citizens have to fight for their country... Don't give us this bullshit about the poverty & that their disarmed... It's not a revolt it's civil war... your gonna comment all that negativity when one of the greatest attributes of the Mexican people is RESOURCEFULNESS so getting weapons to them wouldn't be the issue... having the balls to fire them at their oppressors(Cartels & CORRUPT Politicians, Police,& Military Offiicials/Soldiers) is the real issue... It's INDIFFERENCE that's the problem in Mexico guys don't you see that... The US won't go down there because the shitless line is longer Iran, Syria, North Korea,etc and if Egypt,Libya,etc we're able to go to civil war & do away with those garbage ass regimes/assholes in gov't/power(some for over 20yrs)... Mexico should be able to do the same... The US is not the World's Police... If you have enough balls & the will to come to the US illegally you should have enough balls/will to fight to take back your country... the US has fought for it's freedom and continually keeps a force to be ready for anyone who challenges that... Mexico's constitutional flaws are it's checks & balances they need to be changed by the right people put into service... But if you don't get off your ass & vote (hopefully for the right candidate) or do vote for someone because they give you quick cash for your vote (PRI) than WTF man... Mexicans are not getting their due from their government... It's time to demand, protest,& possibly fight for it...
    "History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
    -Col. Arthur D. "Bull" Simons
    November 21, 1970

    1. Respect your post. In some Mexican towns, they already (town folk) took their towns back. Egypt, Libya, etc. has had underground opposition for quite some time to where as Mexico has very little and fledgling in comparison.

  34. September 20, 2012 12:27 AM
    "Since we're questioning knowledge here"
    Brother when your right,your right.End of story.
    Everything he said is true,im not from the US,but they do have some of the best trained soldiers and sense of brotherhood,which you need,on this planet.So if you disagree,it is for a different and usually antagonistic reason.A lot of people expect the US to be a world police force,but when they do step up they get trashed no matter what they do?


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