Saturday, June 8, 2019

Mexico and U.S. reach an immigration agreement

Chivis Martinez Borderland

President Trump announces the agreement----via Tweet

The deadline imposed to reach an immigration agreement was to be this coming Monday June 10th.  However, the agreement was reached with time to spare.

Essential elements of the agreement
  • Mexico will deploy its National Guard at the southern  border and six points within the country,  to impede the flow of undocumented migrant crossings.
  • Mexico will create an operation that target human traffickers as criminal priorities.
  • Asylum seekers will be returned to Mexico to wait processing.
  • While in Mexico, asylum seekers will be provided jobs, healthcare and education.
  • Results will be reassessed in 90 days which will determine the next phase of the agreement.
  • Agreements by Mexico include unexpected elements, other than immigration, such as trade.  Example; Mexico will be purchasing large volume of product from U.S. farmers.


AMLO

Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the president of Mexico, [AMLO] had taken a tough stance initially, even chiding Trump about the meaning of the Statute of Liberty, with respect to migrants.

But in the end, he had a turnabout when deciding that it was in Mexico’s and the United States best interest to work together and quell the border crisis.

Those who have followed AMLO in his quest for the presidency, know that he is ultra-lefty who has never cared about borders, and in fact says it is a human rights obstruction to block  migrants. Yet Mexico’s immigration requirements are some of the most rigid in the world.

The problem is the vile treatment of economic migrants as they pass through Mexico.  I have worked with migrants and migrant shelter projects since 72 migrants were slaughtered in San Fernando Tamaulipas. Mexico cares nothing about these people.  10 to 12k migrants go missing each year in Mexico.  Little girls as young as 11 are started on birth control before their journey knowing they will be raped. Pretty females are forced into the sex trade, including children.   Mexico now has the title of highest number of children in the travel sex trade. Surpassing Thailand.
Saltillo Migrante shelter we handed out winter supplies during record cold
Young and strong men are forced into cartels.  Others are forced into servitude. There are no refusing requests by the cartels.  That is what the 72 attempted to do.  They were slaughtered, as they were only a few miles to the border, after a journey of 1200 miles from the Mexican south border to its northern border.

In Mexico it is a crime to stay in a migrant shelter for more than 3 days.  Agents are sent to check status of migrants, and they will be arrested, many migrants told me, if arrested,   their belongings are taken and never returned.

Mexicans are prejudice against Central Americans.  No one wants them if not to exploit, few help migrants,

I am angered at the hypocrisy on the part of Mexico, and AMLO, but relieved they will attempt to help.

We will see.....
Migrants at the PN casa--they are holding a letter from me I send with each"supplies" backpack
These men, two are brothers and did not read, my assistant read my message the man far right cried,
Saying it was the first time in 10 months that he felt someone cared, making him feel "human" We offer tickets
home to any  migrant that has been deported to Mexico.  These men decided to take the offer. Few do.
Already thousands of National Guard elements have been sent to the southern Mexican border, two caravan organizers supposedly have been arrested by Mexico.

The National Commission of Human Rights (CNDH) will monitor the performance of the 6,000 elements of the National Guard that were deployed on the southern border, said Ombudsman Luis Raúl González Pérez.

Mexican Foreign Minister’s statement

Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard said that the agreement reached with the United States contemplates the deployment of the National Guard on the southern border and that those who request asylum in that country be returned to Mexico without delay. '

"The United States will immediately extend the implementation of section 235”

"In turn Mexico, on humanitarian grounds and in compliance with its international obligations reasons, authorize the entry of such persons while awaiting the resolution of their asylum claims" Ebrard said.

While in the case of the National Guard, Mexican Foreign Minister informed that priority will be given to the deployment on the southern border.

"Mexico will significantly increase its application of Mexican law in order to reduce irregular migration including the deployment of the National Guard throughout the national territory giving priority to the southern border," he said.

"Mexico is taking decisive action to dismantle trafficking and human trafficking organizations, as well as its illegal transportation and financing networks."

He mentioned that the deployment of elements will begin on Monday in 11 municipalities on the southern border of the country.

"Already in Mexico there is a plan to put the National Guard into action, what is going to be done is to give priority to the 11 municipalities of the southern border, so that this deployment will begin on Monday and is within a national program that was already in progress, "he said.

Another point of the agreement refers to the fact that Mexico must provide job opportunities and education to migrants while they wait for their asylum requests.


"Mexico and the United States will lead the work, national and international consortiums to build a prosperous and secure Central America and thus address the causes of migration with the objective that citizens can build better lives for themselves and their families in house, "he added.



From the U.S. State Department



The United States and Mexico met this week to address the shared challenges of irregular migration, to include the entry of migrants into the United States in violation of U.S. law. Given the dramatic increase in migrants moving from Central America through Mexico to the United States, both countries recognize the vital importance of rapidly resolving the humanitarian emergency and security situation. The Governments of the United States and Mexico will work together to immediately implement a durable solution.


As a result of these discussions, the United States and Mexico commit to:

Mexican Enforcement Surge

Mexico will take unprecedented steps to increase enforcement to curb irregular migration, to include the deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border. Mexico is also taking decisive action to dismantle human smuggling and trafficking organizations as well as their illicit financial and transportation networks. Additionally, the United States and Mexico commit to strengthen bilateral cooperation, including information sharing and coordinated actions to better protect and secure our common border.

Migrant Protection Protocols

The United States will immediately expand the implementation of the existing Migrant Protection Protocols across its entire Southern Border. This means that those crossing the U.S. Southern Border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum claims.

In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals for humanitarian reasons, in compliance with its international obligations, while they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will also offer jobs, healthcare and education according to its principles.

The United States commits to work to accelerate the adjudication of asylum claims and to conclude removal proceedings as expeditiously as possible.

Further Actions

Both parties also agree that, in the event the measures adopted do not have the expected results, they will take further actions. Therefore, the United States and Mexico will continue their discussions on the terms of additional understandings to address irregular migrant flows and asylum issues, to be completed and announced within 90 days, if necessary.

Ongoing Regional Strategy

The United States and Mexico reiterate their previous statement of December 18, 2018, that both countries recognize the strong links between promoting development and economic growth in southern Mexico and the success of promoting prosperity, good governance and security in Central America. The United States and Mexico welcome the Comprehensive Development Plan launched by the Government of Mexico in concert with the Governments of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras to promote these goals. The United States and Mexico will lead in working with regional and international partners to build a more prosperous and secure Central America to address the underlying causes of migration, so that citizens of the region can build better lives for themselves and their families at home. [end]

Governors celebrate pact between Mexico and the EU

Governors of the Country celebrated the agreement reached tonight between the Governments of Mexico and the United States.

The first to recognize it was the Head of Government of Mexico City, Claudia Sheinbaum, who highlighted the extraordinary intervention and negotiation of Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard.

Meanwhile, the Governor of Sonora, Claudia Pavlovich, considered that dialogue is the best way to achieve cooperation.

The Governor of Guerrero, Hector Astudillo, considered that this is good news for all Mexicans and Mexicans.

"Good news the cancellation of placing tariffs on Mexican products, very good for those who produce, for those who work," he said.

I received a call about a deportee having given birth.  We went shopping at the nearest Soriana, and  rushed to the shelter taking baby clothing, and supplies.  2 weeks later she called and asked if the offer to return to central america was still good.
We sent her home via bus and train. 
Chivis Note: 

Personally, I supported a tough stance at the border.  The chaos was out of control and worse by the day.  144k migrants from Central America, Africa, Cuba, India, China etc flooded the border into the United States last month alone..  They became embolden and fearless, something had to be done. 

And much more work is needed. 

To support strong security at the border,  while being compassionate and reactive to the situation of these poor people, is not mutually exclusive.  Facilitation, assistance, human kindness can go hand and hand with a desire for border security.

Is this the end all?

No, of course not.

Just as “The Wall” is not the end all, it is a tool.

Something to be celebrated; is two countries, neighbors, came together, placing negativity and blame aside, got to work and came up with a plan of action.  Kudos to both countries. 

To what degree it is successful, time will tell, but the most important element of the agreement is that Mexico is taking the asylum seekers into Mexico. International law dictates, asylums seekers are to go to the nearest country to apply.


The real fix is if congress will conduct themselves as Mexico and the United States did in this negotiation and create a new immigration package. No big winners right or left. Compromise! 


Only then the big winners will be---as it should be--- the American people.

69 comments:

  1. Provide jobs while mexicans are starving for the lack of work...n why return people to mexico if they not mexican nationals..?? Stupid amlo bent to trumps will

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    1. Mexico has a great unemployment rate about the same as U.S. theirs is 3.6, the migrants are largely not from Mexico.

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    2. Wouldn't call working for cartels as a legitimate employment.
      My mother resides in Mexico and in the United states. She is very informative and resourceful about the economy situation in Mexico. Along with political perspectives.


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    3. Regardless of what Mexico claims their unemployment rate is, you can’t live off minimum wage in Mexico. There are still thousands and thousands of Mexicans trying to enter the USA illegally. Mexico is extremely corrupt and they oppress their people. And so I don’t even blame the Mexicans who are trying to make it to the USA. The healthcare and government resources are HORRIBLE in Mexico compared to the USA. There’s hardly any resources for the poor person in Mexico. And a lot of the rich people in Mexico earn money illegally.

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  2. Bam!
    Damn!
    You nailed it!
    Excellent reporting and well written!!!!

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  3. saw a mexican lefty on tv ayer saying the US will pay anyways one way or another. although i dont agree with him politally, he was spot on.

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  4. Chivis i agree. I live in the RGV and Matamoros. It so unfair to the Mexican who to come to the US. He r She cannot get papers to go to Houston, but Central American Can. Thats B S, let take care of our Poor and Hungry in the RGV. We r very poor here in the RGV. Best regards, Chivato

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    1. Ponte a estudiar, trabajar y deja de estar de flojo quejandote por internet. The RGV has progress, you just need to buckle up, organize yourself and come out ahead. I'm from the RGV too, trust there's a lot of people who come out ahead, both of my parents used to work at maquiladoras and we've done pretty good for ourselves.

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  5. Pues no que no .... 🤦🏻‍♀️

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  6. Nope majority of asylum seekers are being rejected. Not a free pass to everyone.

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  7. "Mexico now has the title of highest number of children in the travel sex trade. Surpassing Thailand."

    The worse part of what's going on in Mexico, just beyond sad.

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    1. Yeah that’s what got me the most too.

      Phelpso

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    2. Sad indeed. When the government of Mexico allowed this to pass from the beginning. Lacking protection services and enforcement for its citizens and others alike because of corruptive practices.

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  8. I agree, excellent reporting.
    I like very much that you added the report and statement from Mexico from Mexico and your experiences.

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  9. I could not have said it better myself, Chivis. I grew up in Brownsviile Tx and well award of the problems with illegal immigration. As a Christian, I fully understand the compassion we must have with our fellow man. However we MUST have control of the border. I agree many of these I individuals coming North are hard workers but many are also taking advantage of our welfare state. I have worked in criminal justice/social services for over 30 years and see first hand that we are a magnet to people down south. Mexico is corrupt and I do not trust anything the government says. I have been following you and BB for many years and appreciate all you do. Also, I must add that Americans - white people for for lack of better word are the most generous and do not hate immigrants. The amount of generous work and money our local churches do for ALL mi entities is enormous, yet rarely reported. I am Hispanoc and see the goodness of folks up North. Media portrays anyone who is for Border control as racists. I am of Mexican descent but as an American, my loyalties are to the US and it' laws and culture.God Bless you in helping the less fortunate and pray that the situation down South improves somewhat although I doubt it. Again, thank you for all you do for both ends of this issue.

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    1. And Texans are the most charitable citizens the U.S. has. That is a fact. I love Texans and Texas, I would live there full time but for the weather----yuk. San Antonio is my fave city.

      Texans stepped up to the plate to help my foundation in incredible ways. I succeeded because of Texans. I was floored. Good, hard working, fun loving people with "ginormous" hearts and much can be attributed to a religious base.

      I feel for the migrants. Especially working so close with them and hearing the stories. I don't blame them at all, as my husband says, in the same circumstance "I would be on a raft crossing Tapachula.

      I do blame Mexico for their apathy. I do blame cartels for their criminality, I do blame the caravan organizers who use the migrants for theater.

      but I do not blame the hardworking, good people that most economic migrants are.

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    2. Chivis - “I feel for the migrants. Especially working so close with them and hearing the stories. I don't blame them at all, as my husband says, in the same circumstance "I would be on a raft crossing Tapachula.

      I do blame Mexico for their apathy. I do blame cartels for their criminality, I do blame the caravan organizers who use the migrants for theater.

      but I do not blame the hardworking, good people that most economic migrants are.”

      Wow that gave me chills. Couldn’t have said it better myself!

      Phelpso

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    3. 1021
      Thank you for your truths"white people"indeed do not hate different ethnicities,get to know them by interaction not some political media rhetoric,you would be surprised.
      It is hard and saddening to read the comments of posters on BB who have never even met "white people"

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    4. Sadly you are correct 100 chivis. I have also worked with migrants for 12 yrs in the frontera of tamps chic and tj. anyone denying it has lived in a bubble and not active in volunteerism.

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  10. Im starting to like this guy Trump.They need someone with balls in Europe,its destroyed with young dude economic migrants with fuckin IPhones,bullshit everywhere.Norway has no go areas with North Aficans taking over,not nice plces,just telling the truth,think what you want

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    1. I agree with you 100 percent. I use to live In Europe and moved my family to USA because if the insecurity. The migrants literally have been terrorizing and destroying. I understand they need help but that have permanently damaged Europe

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    2. That's what we are trying to avoid, another welfare state with immigrants that have no intention of assimilating. Viva Trump. There I said it.

      -Black Stone

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    3. 10:38 that should've been prevented by leaving the emigrant people to live their lives however they saw fit instead of invading their lands under false pretenses and false christian goals Of conquest,
      The invading countries offered posthumous help to the fleeing hordes, many got killed, but the survivors inherited the promises, and little Else.

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    4. Remember that Europe was immigrant free before the US invented their Arab Spring to steal Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, kurd resources, and force the american people to fight one more war of liberation, on behalf of rebels egged on to "fight" by the private warrying US and Co. mercenaries founders of ISIS.
      --IF Europe had not ran to help the Arab Spring,
      there would have been no Arab or african emigration to Europe.
      --If there had been No US intervention on LatinAmerica nobody would be trying to get to the US.

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  11. Seems Mexico got bad deal,provide jobs to migrants isn't there Mexicans that need those jobs. And the hypocrisy of Trump given that his fam and wife are immigrants.

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    1. it is what they are supposed to do. thjey are the nearest country. But in reality what will happen is the numbers will slow to a trickle. CAs do not want to stay in Mexico.

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    2. There’s a difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. The problem is people don’t understand that. There is no hypocrisy in what Trump is doing. In case you don’t know, during the Obama administration more than 80% of asylum claims were denied and many illegal immigrants were deported. No one said shit then.

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    3. A bad deal indeed for Mexico. Taking the burden of housing these migrants on their soil will be stressful. The US should have implemented campsites (housing facilities) along each country's borders. This implementation added with the asylum process to be done in a costly efficient manner.
      That's just my opinion.

      I see the southern border of Mexico now transformed into refugee camps. A discontent of opinions by those residents residing in those areas.

      E42

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    4. 9:12 don't worry about caravans staying in Mexico, they are living on the streets, in tent cities, eating garbage or whatever, and probably will be fed with help of some on the US, I mean if somebody in Mexico does not steal the "donations", bet on it?

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  12. Excellent reporting Chivis! Your commenting is always stated in such a way that I reconsider my original thought without you taking a strong side. Love you! Mica

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  13. Eva's sister who lives in Tijuana Norte tells us that there has been an explosion of putas in the city. Women and girls with no children. All of the caavanistas were told minimum salario was guaranteed by government to be $15 dolares hour, free food and healthcare. These lies are spread especially by speakers for pueblos sin fronteras. God Bless AMLO and his honesty. INM has made deterner two liders of PSF.

    Ahora se les dice a los caravanistas la verdad sobre la bestia y la cantidad de peligros para un viaje sin seguridad.

    ¿Dónde están los PSF en Tijuana o Laredo? Las caravanitas tienen miedo de reportar a las jóvenes desaparecidas tomadas por sicarios. Esta es una crisis humanitaria. A las mujeres caravanistas con hijos se les otorga santuario temporal en Estados Unidos. SEDENA ha descubierto demasiados jóvenes con tatuajes de MS 13.

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  14. Well stated Chivis. Well done President Trump. Kudos to AMLO for not getting his undergarments in a twist over what obviously needed to be done.
    Ultimately this will force the governments of Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala to fix their problems. The escape hatch is closing and able bodied men and women need to confront the criminals. People need to stay home and fix their communities. This forces that hand.

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    1. The reality of tariffs on Mexico would have devastating economic impact. It's not humanitarian decisions that forced Mexican government to secure its own borders. $$$$$$$$$
      Its always about the money.

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    2. The escape hatch is closing for those corrupt officials who rely on cartel bribes from smuggling operations.
      Fixing communities and societies on the other hand depends on political oversight. Often resulting with vested interests and not those of citizens needs.

      Let's see if AMLO will fulfill his agreement in the long run. Will his compassion for migrants vs those opinions of his constituents be a conflict of interests?

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  15. good for Trump. Helping our farmers and narrowing the huge trade deficit with Mexico.

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    1. This does little to nothing to help our farmers. This "deficit" is what helps keeps the price of goods low. I am glad you enjoy paying more for things. Must be nice to be so rich.

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    2. There is only so much help to be given to those independent farmers nowadays. Big companies have destroyed the farming industries by allowing them to monopolize their products for cheaper costs.
      A sad reality for many who have bankrupted.

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  16. Most asylum seekers come to the u.s. and say they fear to go back and say they got threatened with death and hold you and they call you back and evaluate your story. And ask you if you’re scared to go back. Some say no. And boom you’re out but they can still hold you a year for lying to them

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  17. More US taxpayers dollars going to be a wasteful investment. Like all other financial support given for decades to Mexico. Those return investments from Mexico were paid by form of drugs, undocumented immigrants smuggled and criminals.
    This financial support by US can be best invested to secure our borders permanently.

    FOOL ME ONCE; SHAME ON YOU
    FOOL ME TWICE;SHAME ON ME.

    TRUTH.

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    1. I guess its the U.S fault as well.
      If i remember correctly, the U.S is the biggest consumer of drugs in the world.

      Lets not forget about the CIA and their pushing of drugs on U.S minorities specially the black Americans.

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    2. All lies the Rich been getting richer off Mexico since the get go

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    3. Yea, shame on those Mexicans for forcing us to take all those drugs.

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    4. Supply and demand asshole...no one forces these drug addicts to consume...drugs will never go away

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    5. Reducing the supply of demand will dramatically help reduce consumption rates. Along with better communities and family structures.

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    6. Reducing demand will reduce supply,you got it backwards.

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    7. 1:44 how can you be throwing the "help" the US government gives to Mexico if it a goes to weapons of mass distracshun and commissions to US middlemen AND MEXICO HAS DELIVERED about one million victims of the US fueled war ON drugs in Mexico, too few dead and disappeared for you, maybe, but it was not said how many murdered or disappeared Mexicans would fulfill your pipe dreams of one "Mexican Final Solution"

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  18. It really is a shame just how many good people are fleeing their country....not all are bad.

    These people should be the foundation of making a great society....if gangs are a problem...wipe them out.....team up with other people and take a stand....in America our freedoms are born from the blood of patriots.

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    1. 3:53 American patriots in the American Schools of the Americas have trained the criminals ruining the lives of their countrymen.
      Not all US patriots are what they say they are or what they are supposed to be.

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  19. FYI if you don't have a social security number you get no welfare buddy.. at least here Arizona, yet I keep hearing gringos say that same remark over and over just because their daddy trump said it
    Gringos slaughtered whole Indian villages to take their land and now they want all the natural Americans out of America..
    the Irony..
    Just like in south Africa with the natural Africans being second class citizens

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    1. Welfare benefits and undocumented persons is the most misunderstood element of immigration.

      and it is complicated.

      Whereas 40 percent on average rec no outright benefits, they can go to any ER and rec expensive medical both emergency and chronic.

      Other food programs--not necessarily food stamps are open to undocumented SS or not in both of these cases.

      there are federal and state progrmas.'

      if a person has a child born in the U.S. then the resources open wide.

      about 13-15 billion social security benefits from fake SS numbers of undocumented people go to the U.S., those are used to offset funds paid out, to what degree i am not sure.

      what i am sure of is both sides of the issue have legit arguments but both sides have errors and exaggerations.

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    2. 1:53 about $700 000.00 dollars that were spent in "AID" in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, have been suspended by the Trompas because of caravans.
      It could cost about one billion to pacify these countries with an honest peacekeeping force, maybe even AutoDefensas closely watched and monitored, BUT NOO, they have to bring pet welfare queen corporations to create psychosis about "geys" and narcos who used to be friendly puppets but are not anymore because there's no mo' money to be made there.

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    3. Um...it is called conquered...and it is human nature...or Manifest Destiny, a more recent, palatable title used to rationalize what is simply instinct.

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    4. 8:23 Yeah quitando or conquering your lands with immigration via illegal immigration. Just like the natives .

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  20. Really excellent article, Chivas. Thank you! I have a couple of questions.
    1). What about the migrants who are still in Mexico, not seeking asylum, and walking into the US without going through the points of entry? Was this covered somewhere in the agreement? So, anyone can still walk into the US illegally, right?
    2)Does you think ‘Mexico will create an operation that targets human traffickers’ ? The cartels kill anyone who interferes with their drug and human trafficking business. There will be a few ‘arrests’ on the news for theater, but very few politicians, police or military are going to put their life, or the lives of their families, on the line against the cartels. What do you think?

    I’m an English as a Second Language teacher for migrant adults. In our budgeting classes I’ve learned that my students are receiving between $20,000 - $30,000 per year in welfare benefits and not working.
    US citizens are beginning to realize this. Social security is deducted from each of our paychecks, but many are beginning to wonder if this money is going directly to the migrants with no end in sight - - and will not be there for them, as promised, when they are old.

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  21. Every country needs to analyze who's coming into their country, good for trump.

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    1. So true.
      Apparently there are many who think that walking on this planet wouldn't come with restrictions.

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    2. 12:17 good for...? Immigrants have endured since the start of the colonies on the US or Mexico, some refugees even came from the US to Tejas when it was Mexican territory, then paid with stabbing Mexico in the back by asking for Washington help to become "independent" by making war and stealing half the country.
      TIJUAS WILL BE PEACEFUL sooner, these pinchis gangueros will survive trompo news, and trompo may still end up in jail or be booted out of office.

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    3. So a stranger is entitled to enter ones home and stay indefinitely? Doubt that your welcome mat extends that far.
      Laws need to be respected.

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  22. News reports say that on 7 June , 2019 , US and Mexico have entered into a deal. Under the deal , in which Mexico agreed to take “ unprecedented steps” , the duties that were due to come into effect on Monday , 10 June 2019 , have been suspended. “ Mexico will try very hard , and if they do that , this will be very successful agreement” , said President Trump. The declaration added that discussions would continue , and final terms be accepted and announced within 90 days. Some have viewed this development as Trump’s trump card on tariff appears to force Mexico to control illegal migrants from coming over to the US. In this context , it may be apt to refer readers to this Vedic astrology writer’s predictive alerts of 1 October , 2018 for more care and appropriate strategy in article - “ Astrological probable alerts for the US in 2019” - published in monthly Webzine of Wisdom Magazine at wisdom-magazine.com/Article.aspx/4897/. The related text of the alert in the article reads like this :-
    “ April -May 2019. .........................Age -old or well known opponents may present worries or there may be domestic reasons for the same , calling for more care and appropriate strategy. But the US looks to be smarting over or gaining success in relation to such circumstances which may also include commerce and trade. Significant or memorable period when some enemies or competitors of U.S. look to be losing some grip or evince signs of weakness. These circumstances can also either drain out some amount of resources or may involve shifting of assets. It looks to be a hard –earned success”. It seems the aforesaid indications for the U.S. covering April –May around in 2019 appear to have been confirmed by actual happenings on the ground.
    Note :- This writer’s another significant predictive work relevant to the most contemporary theme in the US can be found at wisdom-magazine.com/Article.aspx/5060/.

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    1. 4:08 all BS, don't believe all the shit you get fed, many times people are just POSturing to save face... This is one of them.

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  23. We are all refugees, migrants or descendants of them,
    migration is as old as history itself, dont stop it now,
    just enjoy the benefits through good planning.

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  24. Has anyone stopped to think about why all these central Americans are coming all at once they have been coming for years but never like this before thers more to it The government has something to do with it my opinion .but its Mexicos fault to because the dont close the Guatemalan border ?because its not in ther best interest cause of the coke that cartels pass threw ther.all these central Americans are just messing up everything for the people that are in the usa already they should get priority with ther immigration cases or something and mexico cant even help its own people how the hell is it going to help others out what a joke

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    1. I asked the same question---the feedback I am getting is that organizers promote the caravans in central america. they advertise it as being the last chance to get in easily and at low to no cost. and an event of opportunity one may say that families easily get in and released.

      so it is

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  25. I think as sad as it is to say, that you can not look at the immigration issue without having some impartiality if you have ever have lived near the border or been directly affected by it. This is policy that can't be made through a compassionate lense, it is heartbreaking people are so desperate to get here that they will risk their lives but at the same time there is a lot of poor people in the world, theres gotta be formality..

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    1. Living "near the border" or even living in the midst of what is happening doesn't make to any more enlightened than someone in Alaska. Being involved directly opens the eyes of people. I was stunned to learn what I have.

      and I 100 disagree that both compassion and rules can't go hand and hand.

      For example, In my dream agreement I wrote for family and friends I stated I would close the south border make mexico hold thee asylum seekers for processing etc because this will slow the migrants to a trickle. they do not want to stay in Mexico where they are so discriminated against.

      HOWEVER i thought the U.S. should share the cost burden of holding the migrants or pay for their return to CA.

      Difficult to do without strict oversight because f the run away corruption in Mexico.

      I began helping migrants and casa migrantes when Obama was in office

      one of the most shocking thing was learning that the deportees were taken to a border town by bus sometimes miles from their holding place--taken to the international bridge and ordered to march into Mexico.

      without knowing a soul=without money, or cell phones which were confiscated but could be released a month later.

      the cartels know exactly when they will be dropped off......and they are waiting.

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    2. Cheapest most effective solution would be to restore law and order in the countries by arresting government officers the US has put in charge of the local gorillates for hundreds of years as local Governing juntas bananeras.

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    in Tijuana over the weekend AMLO had a rally that celebrated the agreement. He stressed how the deal the made was able to circumvent tariffs.

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  27. Why worry about any of it? They are now stuck in lawless Mexico where cartels kill in high volumes. If left there long enough the numbers will dwindle due to murders. One solution is not to simply hold Mexico accountable. Living near that border I saw first hand many of the states you think want them out actually want them in/ Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and many more have many US companies employing them to evade workers comp insurance and legal pay wages. Trump or no one else goes after these companies because these are wealthy folks with deep pockets. I know this and I was there to see this first hand. Also with a president that has commited the same crime of employing illegals for the same reasons. None of this big speech and deal crap impresses me. How easy his own actions are overlooked by many simply to get what they want. I have seen the jobs these people have and most Americans do not want them. Here is a bit of info that should be shared when speaking on immigration. The internal study, which was completed in late July but never publicly released, found that refugees “contributed an estimated $269.1 billion in revenues to all levels of government” between 2005 and 2014 through the payment of federal, state and local taxes. “Overall, this report estimated that the net fiscal impact of refugees was positive over the 10-year period, at $63 billion.”

    Keep in mind much of that is not reclaimed due to the fact many cannot file federal taxes. Happy a country can toss money like that away. Being run by a five time bankruptcy filer explains that.

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