Sunday, April 21, 2019

Interview with "Buggs", Borderland Beat founder, as Borderland Beat Book releases

by Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat

Book Intro: 

The Borderland Beat Project is collaboration from a group of people of different backgrounds located in the US and Mexico that gather information related to the Mexican drug cartels and presents it in English through the internet, publications and presentations. Almost all content in this book comes from the result of reporting in the Borderland Beat blog and, the personal experience and research of the author. It primarily covers a time frame when the author was an active contributor between the last part of 2008 and when he stopped getting directly involved around 2013. Information from this book is a reflection of the Borderland Beat blog that is derived from research, open media source, informal official authorities and people on the ground, which is gathered by collaborators from Borderland Beat Project. This represents the most extensive and comprehensive source of information between the years 2008 and 2013 covering a very wide range of topics related to the Mexican cartels and the Mexican drug war in Mexico and along the US/Mexican border. All material covered can be found at www.borderlandbeat.com.

Buggs Interview Questions

Congratulations Buggs!  It has been a long time coming.  Over the years, particularly when you were very active on BB, followers, including myself, would encourage you to write a book.  I know you always had the desire to, what urged you to go forth?

Well part of the reason was to inform people, especially English-speaking people who do not speak Spanish, about the cartel violence in Mexico. Part of the plan was to use any means to do so, the blog has been the main source to do that. I felt it was important to document my experience while contributing with BB and really try to reach a broader audience, who otherwise do not read the blog. This project was a passion of mine, like it was to many other contributors, from the past and present. People really need to know what BB is all about!

I know your background but most do not.  Can you give readers a synopsis?  Where are you from originally? I know one of your brothers is a long time great humanitarian on the border.  How many siblings in your family? Do they know of your project called “Borderland Beat”? I ask because only a hand full and one child of mine know of my work at BB.

I was born in Ciudad Juarez, my father commuted every day to El Paso where he worked for Tony Lama making cowboy boots. We lived in a very poor community named La Cuesta that had no running water and the streets were made of dirt. The little house where we lived was built by my father and my two older brothers. When I was ten years of age, my father was fired from his job after the employees at Tony Lama went on strike to demand better wages. Because he could not afford to be unemployed, he moved to Albuquerque, NM to work with my uncle for the city. He was able to get us papers to move also, as he had permanent residency that he got when he worked as a bracero in the fields in Chicago during the 2nd world war. We were 12 children, but the youngest, Martin, was killed in Amarillo Texas several years ago. My siblings are spread out all over the US. 

One of my older brothers, Carlos Marentes is a farm labor organizer and farm worker advocate. Carlos is the founder and director of the Border Agricultural Workers Project (BAWP), who organizes the farm workers of the US-Mexico border, especially the chile pickers, in the fields and in their communities in both sides of the border. He participates in many local, state and national organizations that deal with issues of poverty, economic inequality, environment and climate problems, and coordinates the International Collective on Migrants and Rural Workers of La Vía Campesina.

You are a professional photographer.  Myself, I am amazed at your environmental and architectural photos, which are my favorites.   There is one of a chapel that is stunning, I think it was in Zacatecas for a book you did for your mother.  I see you closed your studio, does that mean you are going in a different direction? 


I retired from the Albuquerque police Department two years ago after 30 years of service. I have always loved photography and have always practiced the profession. When I retired, I opened a photography studio where I dedicated myself to photographing family portraits, commercial and fashion photo shoots for promotion. Recently I felt that my work was not meaningful and I was starting to get burned out, my passion was becoming a job. I was starting to hate it. I decided to move on a different direction and although I will continue to do client base photography but only on a limited basis. I plan to devote more time covering events and landscapes. I plan to pursue part time photo journalism to wherever it may take me. I also needed to free time to help care for my mother who is 91 years of age, and spend more time with her.

You have always gone by your nickname Buggs, but never concealed your name and didn’t use a non de plume in writing the book.  BB followers are concerned by that.  Can you address that issue?

I initially used it as a safety mechanism, as I did not want to have my identity made public. I was also a law enforcement officer and I was not sure if this could present problems for me. I felt that my identity was not important, but the mission was. This was important for all of us to be able to report on anything related to drugs cartels without worrying about retaliation and becoming a target. At the time I was travelling extensively in to Mexico and did not want for my collaboration with BB to be a liability. 

Concealing my identification for the book was not important to me. 
Buggs Photography: New Mexico Chapel
I recall two of BB earlier reporters disappeared so to speak.  One was supposedly ‘in the life’ in the NE state of Tamaulipas, or was.  Rumors were that he was killed in a balacera.  Have you anything to add to that? The other, a female reporter, and a great one simply disappeared.  Maybe she just found it overwhelming, like many contributors do at some point, but there were rumors about her disappearance also. 

You are probably referring to Illiana and Maka? I cover this in the new book “Borderland Beat.” There are many things that happened while reporting on the Mexican cartels in Mexico, many things kept me awake at night. I can recap a little of each from exact excerpts from the book.


Illiana’s last post was about a family, including two little boys that were killed by the Mexican military when the father ran a road block. Of why he did that, no one knows, but he did not have any criminal background. The government classified the incident as collateral damage after they tried to cover it up. They were on their way to the beach to celebrate Easter.

This from the book:

“Illiana started organizing protests against the government. I cautioned her not to get too personally involved and to focus on just reporting on the story. I know sometimes that is hard, especially when you live there and it involves children. But she was so passionate about the incident that I started to get worried. I did not know much about her, other than she lived in a city in the state of Tamaulipas and might be a journalist. She suddenly stopped corresponding with me and stopped posting on Borderland Beat. She just vanished from the Borderland Beat community. I had no way to find out what happened to her. I didn’t even have her name. I have always wondered what ever happened to her.”

The other BB collaborator was RiseMakaveli, this is from the book:

“Then there was RiseMakaveli who had a lot of knowledge of Los Zetas and the Gulf Cartel. He knew the names of people in both cartels and who was who. He had so much detailed information that some people were starting to wonder if he was actually a sicario in one of the cartels. I asked him once, but I really never got a straight answer. He eventually left Borderland Beat and left us wondering who he was and what happened to him. Someone once sent me a long email saying he knew that RiseMakaveli was a lieutenant with the Gulf Cartel and that he had died in a shootout with the Mexican military. I was never able to confirm it, and we might never know what really happened to him. As far as I know, he is somewhere out there enjoying life, and moving on to more positive things in life.”

What compelled you to create the blog? --I imagine your dream was that BB would become a relevant “go to” for English readers to access Organized Crime news of Mexico but most likely a surprise as to the extent it has become a go to for journalists, federal agencies, police agencies and Think Tankers, which probably exceeded your expectations.  It still amazes me the big names that follow us. 

Speaking of--- Is the story about the FBI situation in the book?  Can you tell BB followers a little about it?

The FBI incident was the reason why I distanced myself from BB. It really touched home. I had a person who was in the witness protection program that was filtering information to me about Mexican classified information related to cartel activities in Mexico. I was getting the updated locations of the whereabouts of El Lazca as the Mexican authorities were closing in on him. The US was tracking his cellular phones and providing the information to Mexican Naval intelligence. I never published the information, frankly because I got scared to compromise the safety of people abroad. Another incident was when Mexican military served a search warrant on a suspected Islamic terrorist in Mexico City and they found explosives and evidentiary documents.

This person that was leaking classified information to me, that went by the name “Pedro,” sent me all the information from the warrant, that showed a list and photographs of everything they found. I got together with a couple of BB collaborators and we did a story that went viral on Mexican main stream media. This caused issues at my job and I had the FBI and CIA come knocking at my door. This is documented in length in the book. This is what prompted me to leave BB as a collaborator.


At the beginning of the blog early years it was mostly you contributing.  I have read all those early articles and encourage others to do the same.  I went back to the genesis and read forward.  It is a pragmatic way to learn the history of the narco war and its evolvement.

I am very picky about which narco news journalists and authors I follow. Javier Valdez RIP,  is my hero and all time favorite, also Ioan Grillo. I respect Ioan’s work methodology and trust his work.


Who are your (narco writing) favorites; Mexican news journalist? English Language news journalist, dead or living, and favorite 5 books on the topic?

I have many, I have read many books. My interest in the Mexican drug cartels compelled me to read anything that was in print or in the internet. My earliest reads of book were Cartel by Sylvia Longmire, Anything by Robert J. Bunker, El Sicario by Charles Bowden or anything by Bowden and Los Senores del Narco (Narco Land) by Anabel Hernandez. These are just a few.

Your book covers the years 2008-2013.

Those include some of the most violent times in Mexico.  Different from today in marked ways.  For example areas of violence were more scattered throughout the Mexican landscape.  Juarez 8 killings a day, making it the most violent place on earth, Zetas splitting from CDG in 2010 subsequently turning Coahuila and Tamaulipas, into hell on earth.  Mass killings were not an exceptional event, nor decapitation an dismemberment videos.  Guerrero, Michoacán, Tijuana, Veracruz, Jalisco, Durango, Zacatecas, Sonora, Sinaloa, all having their wars and never ending violence.

The shootouts and executions began being recorded and released to social media, and sent to blogs.  I was sent the Cadereyta Jiménez massacre video, 49 dismembered bodies. That and two shootouts, one against Tony Tormenta, and against Arturo Beltrán Leyva are the standouts in my memory.

What events are standouts in your memory?

I was following three fronts with a lot of interest, although they were spread out, there were pacts linking all these DTO’s in Mexico, but the pacts were broken in three areas. The Zetas from the Gulf Cartel, the Sinaloa attempt to take over the Ciudad Juarez plaza from the Juarez Cartel, and the Beltran Leyva brothers waging war on their former bosses El Chapo and El Mayo. I spend a lot of time covering these on my book for that reason.

What would you say is the greatest difference in organized crime today than 10 years ago?

More fragmented, not as easy to penetrate the government deep to the top, as it was before, also the current factions have moved away from the “old school” of doing business. Cartel were powerful at one time because they were united, but they started to fall apart when little by little, they started to break away from their pacts. Most of it was for settling of scores, it was personal.

Bugg's Graffiti Photos includes culvert graffiti see below

Do you think the "catch the capo" concept is effective?

I find it amusing that when Mexico catches a capo, who has executed hundreds if not thousands of people, Mexico does not hold them responsible for those murders. They get extradited to the US to be tried for trafficking drugs. Tell me this, would the US extradite a serial killer to another foreign country without prosecuting him/her for the crimes?

If you called the shots, what solutions would you propose to be effective in this so-called ‘Drug War’?

There are no clear solutions, we have had drug trafficking of illicit drugs for many years, and we always will. Having a law enforcement background, I believe that for those who choose to commit crime, especially brutal violent crime should be held accountable with the full weight of the law. I think Mexico really should look at the death penalty for the most outrageous brutal crimes in Mexico, hold these animals accountable. Will this totally eradicate drug trafficking? No, but it will help. The bottom line the sale of illegal drugs is just a business decision and it exists for two reasons; product is very good and profit is very high. Nothing on earth can stop something that generates billions of dollars and is desired by millions of people.

Dia de los Muertos-Buggs Photography 
I am not sure I ever shared with you that I came to BB on recommendation of a former police chief of a major city in Texas. I had chosen to set up offices in NE Mexico, a hot bed of violence and I knew almost zero about narcos. 

I began reading BB posts from the beginning. The one thing that I was initially uncomfortable with, is the same issue that some followers have; why the need to publish graphic images and videos.  Given time, I absolutely understood the decision..

In your words, could you explain the reasoning behind the decision to put it all out there?

The decision to post some of the more graphic content, specifically the brutally violent execution videos, like beheading, dismember, and so forth, was to give the reader an idea what some of these cartels are capable of. No one wants to see them, but they exist and we can't live with our head buried in the sand. The one thing I was concerned at one point was to give these animals a platform to post their sadistic acts, or to encourage executions so they could be submitted to narco blogs, as such was the case with Blog del Narco. 

So, to me the decision to post an execution video was if it had news value, meaning is there a story to it? Not just posting an execution video just for the sake of posting it, to see a gory scene. The other if it was exclusive, this helps at least to know it happened, give light to the act and hope law enforcement can view it and use it in their investigation, without getting directly involved with collaborating with law enforcement. If it's something we posted and it helps police in their investigation, then we have done our job. The hardest thing for me is when a family members might see the video, if that happens, I always cooperate to not be the factor in making their experience a nightmare, to have some compassion to family members. These videos are important to show the narrative, but not at the cost of pain to the victims, it is really a balancing act, but BB has always been known to be uncensored, legit, high integrity, informational and ground breaking. As an administrator, I have never restricted a collaborator from posting this graphic material, but I did require them to give the reader heads up of what is coming.


Is a follow up book a possibility for the subsequent years to present? 

Probably not, only this one, as it was when I was mostly involved, but you never know. If something happened, that was extraordinary and very news worthy, I probably would.

Thank you Buggs and the best of luck with the book.

Thank you!

Excerpts from Borderland Beat:

"The House of Death"


A Mexican attorney by the name of Fernando Reyes was looking for a way to cross a load of weed across the border. Lalo can make it happen for him, he knows all the contacts. Lalo has brought Fernando to this little house in the city of Juarez. Fernando doesn't know it yet but he has walked in to a trap. Hiding in one of the rooms of the house are also two police officers from the state police of Chihuahua.

Fernando is unaware, but they are here to kill him.

As Fernando is talking to Lalo, one of the police officers comes out of one of the rooms and puts the barrel of a gun to his face. Fernando pleads for his life, he knows he is in trouble. They decide not using the gun, it’s too loud, they can't take any chances.

This house is located in a middle-class neighborhood and people will call the police here if they hear gunshots. Fernando screams in panic. They tape his mouth shut in attempts to stifle the loud screams. Fernando fights back, kicking and swinging his arm, so they take him down to the floor. But it's not easy, Fernando is fighting for his life. Lalo helps to restrain Fernando while one of the officers wraps an extension chords around the neck of Fernando. Fernando knows his death is certain but continues to fight. He does not want to die like this, but is futile, he finally lays motionless as his life is snuffed from him.

The officers split $2,000 for killing a suspected drug trafficker known as “Fernando.” Fernando is dead and they have his dope. Santillan (a top lieutenant in the powerful Juarez cartel organization) congratulates Lalo, he tells him that Vicente Carrillo Fuentes will be happy."
-Borderland Beat-



"The Encounter with the Drunk Sicarios"


We continued to ride, it was starting to get late and we were not sure how far we were from Urique. As we came around a bend and started to climb a hill, I could see a large white truck coming down the hill. I could see several Indian men on the back of the truck. There was a narrow gap between some trees just enough for the truck to fit. Everest managed to cross the gap before the truck made it through. He sped up the hill and I had to wait for the truck to make it through the gap so I could get through.

But the truck stopped in the middle of the gap blocking my path.

I could see two men inside the cab of the truck. Suddenly the driver got out and I could see he was wearing a military jacket with blue pants. He was carrying an assault rifle, AR-15.

I did not like this a bit. I knew this was extremely dangerous. We were deep in the vast empty mountains and the whole scene was not right. I started to look around me, looking for options. I tried to back up to turn around fast, but he was moving too fast toward me. I then saw that the passenger had also exited his truck and he also was armed with an assault rifle. I became afraid of what they might do and for a second, I thought of ditching my bike and running as fast as I could, but I knew I didn't have time to do anything. I could see that Everest was reaching the top of the hill kicking dust in the distance.

I thought to myself, "stop, don't panic, and think." I focused my attention on the two men quickly approaching me, trying to see signs or red flags. The driver had his trigger finger extended on his weapon while the passenger had his finger resting on the trigger of his weapon. As the driver got closer, I could see the hat he was wearing said "Urique police." Out here that did not mean shit. Most municipal police are actively colluding with organize crime.


 "The Execution of two Chapos." 




"When both men are finished talking, it’s time to pay the piper. Both men then appeared frozen in time, staring in to the distance, as if in a trance, living but already dead. Perhaps they were heavily drugged so they didn't kick and scream during the brutal nightmare. Fear itself will not numb anyone enough to face this level of evil directly in the eye. Even the sound of the chainsaw does not break their trance. The uncle is first; he grimaces as the chainsaw spews blood, flesh and bone, as it tears through his throat, separating his head from his body. The chainsaw accidentally cuts the arm of the nephew sitting right next to the uncle during the violent massacre, but he doesn’t flinch.
The second man, the young nephew, is decapitated with a knife, and while the knife is cutting through his throat, he makes a last attempt to scream out, but his vocal chords have been severed, and all one can hear is a faint whimpering sound, the last breath of a man that was way too young to die.


The ghastly chilling gurgling sounds coming out of his perforated wind pipe, followed by the grinding sounds as the knife breaks through the spinal cord, finally frees his head from his body, ending the most repulsive, heinous and gruesome act witness on video. In a normal world one would say, wake up it’s only a nightmare, but this is real, repeating itself every day somewhere in old Mexico."

Use this hyperlink to purchase the book or click on the book cover image at right

57 comments:

  1. Big thumbs up on this one, very interesting

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    1. Buggs: About posting graphic violence pictures and videos. As a serious student of violence, BB has the right policy. I have downloaded as much of this graphic "data" as practical for my research purposes. I also save selected comments BB visitors write about the stories and graphics.
      I consider you a living hero for all you've done in your careers and life starting from your family's humble beginnings. I regularly visit BB and feel cyber affection for all the staff (past and present) that make Borderland Beat the journalistic jewel that it became for keeping tabs on Mexico's crime and violence related problems.
      Mexico-Watcher

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  2. Where is the link to buy please?

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    1. At far right column there is an image of the book cover just click on it and you will go to the link

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    2. How can I go back to previous years like 2010 or 2009 on the blog? Bb used to have a tab where you can choose years and subtabs with months and articles. But you guys changed things and for about a year or so I can’t find it anymore. Please help

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    3. the far right column see BLOG ARCHIVES if you can't see it on your cell you need to see on a different device

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    4. Thanks chivis I’ll check it out. It’s too bad they don’t have that option in the mobile version, like before,usually that’s what I use. I’m sure a lot of people would love to see it again. Thanks

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    5. You used to have a “view in desktop version” link in the mobile version. That would be great if you guys put that back up, thanks

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  3. Must admit BB is informative and resourceful. Shedding light on the War On Drugs in an in-depth prospective.

    Cheers
    E42

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  4. Great interview Chivis! Ordering book now.

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  5. Thank you so much Chivis and , of course, Buggs.
    Excellent interview.
    My copy of the book is on the way, can't wait !
    Now if I know Chivis , She has a book on the back burner which we anxiously but patiently await !

    thank you both so much and I feel privileged to work with you both.

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  6. Genuinely well done! Hats off to you both

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  7. Don't ask me. Buggs was first revealed to me as an Albuquerque teacher with a student who was Mexican and familial problems in Mexico.

    To read and understand Buggs more clear, is deep insight. As a fellow NM, MX and TX understand the journey. To see a policeman, a son of a migrant farmer and protege' asking the questions, is this.

    No one aggregates the terrible tragedy that is south of our border but this blog. Breitbart, Blog Narco and others pale in comparison. But more importantly, mainstream media.

    No where is it really a freedom of speech but in the states. South, the truth tellers, journalists are executed for their criticism of the current events. Police, militia, citizens, etc. do not allow for this freedom. In the NY Times, these daily occurrences in Mexico, are mainstream, but there is a dearth of information.

    I'll order my copy tonight! Thanks Buggs and Chivas for their hard work!

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  8. I do not see the book cover in the right column above????

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    1. You prob using a cell? it has to be set on web format but here is the link---sorry about that

      http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/buggs

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    2. thanks for giving us the truth....buggs and chivas you deserve an over due award in journalism!!!

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    1. Are you Rise? If Yes--Please contact Buggs to say how you are doing, you are often asked about. If you are not him, then you are going to have to support your claim.

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  10. Welcome back Chivis hope you are well. And this is a must buy book for me!.

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    1. Thank you! and it is a great book for historical reference of the most notable stories during that era.

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  11. Ah the elusive Buggs.Good to finally get the scoop.Good luck with your book.

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  12. Available on amazon?

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  13. Getting mine soon! Phenomenal work Buggs and Chivis

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  14. I posted this to Gab. Great interview. The book is on my list to buy later this year.

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  15. I was wondering if any portion of the book follows the Connection of the Herreras from Durango with the Juarez Cartel. In several books "Green Boots " is mention as a top Lt. who is killed once El Senor del los Cielos passes. This Lt. family initiated the traffic of heroin to Chicago and have a significant role of the distribution of heroin to the USA. This wing of the Juarez cartel expanded the territory in the 80's and 90's prior to Chapo's rise.

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    1. In Lerdo Durango the Herrera family has gated houses and out in the ranchos too. I've heard that they're thugs.

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    2. Tengan lo que Tengan, en Chicago chuparon faros los pinchis Herreras, por faramallosos, ora ya son nomas businessmen.

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  16. BTW awesome photos especially that 1 with the adobe church covered in snow.What unexpected contrasts!

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  17. What happened to the guy who claimed he worked in Chihuahua for the Sinaloa Cartel ? He seemed to have credible information.

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  18. Awesome Alex! This has been my "go to" open source from the start. Thanks for all you have done and can't wait to meet you when you present at ILGIA in May.

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  19. Excellent interview, I just bought the soft cover based on this interesting interview. Thank you chivas and buggs.

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  20. Congratulations Buggs! Enhorabuena! Alias El Buggs

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  21. Much admiration and respect Buggs for your courage and perseverance. My experiences in Mexico some 40 years ago inspired me to learn lots and to become a professional photographer. Your "Dia de los Muertos" image in this post is the best photo ever!

    Thanks also Chivis and all the BB folks for everything!

    Loyal BB reader in SF

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    1. Dia de los muertos comes from the Tarascos of Michoacán then every other native tribe ripped it off

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  22. Chivis there are three dofdiffer prices for the book. What are the differences for each price?

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  23. I’m buying the book because the content interests me.

    The book cover artwork is hideous and the color, grotesque. Perhaps that was intentional. An attention grabber to set itself apart from other books, and could be a good conversation starter if a hot chick were sitting next to me at the airport.

    Question for Buggs:
    Will you be doing a book tour or appearing on any stations to plug the book? Also, will you be selling any autographed copies?

    Queso

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  24. I just noticed the date at the top of the article is incorrect. Great article though

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  25. First of all, Glad you are up and kicking Chivis, we missed you.
    I'm buying the buk, but I got my Santa Muerte Dia de los Muertos foto already, thanks for all the work you do, and the patience, too often.

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  26. has anyone notice Sunday, April 19, 2020

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    1. that is how you pin a post n blogger post a year in the future.

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  27. Just finished the book. Great read. So much information. Great job, and thank you Buggs.

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  28. Shoot for a movie deal, sir. You have the two main requirements- rabid followers and a popular platform. Thank me in your Oscar speech.

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  29. Been following Borderland Beat since 2010. Can’t wait to get and read my copy! Thanks for everything you’ve done Buggs, and thanks for all you do Chivis, Yaqui, Sol, El Prof, and the rest of the bb contributors alike.

    Phelpso

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  30. Thanks to BB, Buggs
    & Miss Chivis!

    Grateful daily BB reader for 10 years who refers you all new readers whenever I can

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  31. Wow, thank you for being a long and outstanding cop. Can't thank you enough for the website that I am on at least once a day. And to the staff that continues to help to make this a great website thank you.

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  32. Semper Fi, Buggs.

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    1. Semper Fi is the Marine Corps motto you moron Buggs was a cop not a Marine or former military. It only makes sense to say that to another service member if you are the Marine saying it to another Marine or other branch member who serves or has served.

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    2. 8:41 besure of your facts before calling out anyone as a moron---Buggs was a marine. secondly The earliest definitively recorded use of semper fidelis was as the motto of the .... Exeter City Police

      who is the moron?

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  33. Great job to all the people writing for and doing their bit on BB. It's a wonderful platform and you guys deserve some sort of an award or something like the writers of the year or the hand to account award. Thanks Buggs for your service and for starting this dialogue. You were there as a kid when La Linea was in its hey day and the big planes were flying right up to the border from Del Rio to El Paso. That was so long ago and here they want to build a wall in two terms. Stay safe people. La Linea, Burque, y puro Nuevo Mexico. Fight for a better day because whether you like it or not He Is Risen.

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  34. Great work BB!! and the top Photo of Buggs, is it just me or it resembles to Enrique Castillo in blood in blood out.

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  35. l АМ FRОМ КАZАКСТАНApril 22, 2019 at 8:30 AM

    My salary is 90$ per month can buy 30$ for that book?

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  36. Can I kick in a few extra bucks and get a copy autographed by Buggs and Chivis?

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  37. Thank you buggs for the book and chivis and yaqui for the hard work keeping bb alive. BB is uniquely.
    Will order my copy tomorrow in my local book store.

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  38. Being American. I check the site everyday. Like it's Fox News or CNN. To see how my Mexican brothers are. It saddens me to no end it does. All the horrible news I see here. But I thank you for the bravery, fortitude, and gumption, you exhibited, having made the site. Stay up Mexico. Best wishes to y'all.

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