Tuesday, February 5, 2019

El Chapo Trial: Questions from deliberating jurors

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat

Full roundup of today's deliberation 

Jury asks to leave at 4:15pm.  Looks like they are nowhere near a verdict-

I wonder what the prosecution is thinking right about now? No worries yet—it just demonstrates the jury is working it.  Good for them.  [jury dismissed for the day] 



Note was sent asking for four things:

1) The transcript of a phone call regarding "ice/meth" 
May be played for the jury but more likely given the printed translated narrative of the call

2) Testimony from Rey Zambada re: "Chispiro," who supplied the cartel with ephedrine
They seem hung up on the ephedrine aspect

3) Full testimony from Alex Cifuentes
Wow…This is massive

4) Full testimony from Jorge Cifuentes
Ditto

These are indicators that this jury is carefully evaluating the evidence.  Not a slam dunk.  It would appear at least one juror is not convinced the U.S. proved the meth conspiracy charge.  Typically the foreman will ask help from the court if the empaneled can’t unanimously reach a decision. 
The jury asked for all of Cifuentes testimony-but only part of Vicente Zambada’s


The jury has just asked for the full testimony of Juan Aguayo, he is one of the agents who testified.  He testified about 400 kgs or so of marijuana being seized near San Diego. [would have never projected that request]


The Cifuentes testimony has to be prepared, meaning redaction, causing sidebar back and forth, sustaining and objections.


The foreperson is a young Hispanic female 


Jurors are given notebooks to take notes.  They can ask for as many needed.  They are not allowed to take them when court adjourns.  From personal experience unless you figure out a system of reference the notes will be useless later.


My system was simple; Fold a page in half then create an angle, this becomes a tab to write subject such as “forensic testimony” 

From Alan Feuer inside the courtroom:

The judge said he was inclined to simply give jurors the printed pages rather than spending 3 to 5 days--yes, 3 to 5 DAYS--reading back that testimony.

The jury also asked for a  phone call [to be played] in which meth is discussed and for "Rey" Zambada's testimony concerning his own role in buying ingredients for meth production. This interest in meth squares with their note from yesterday asking about ephedrine, a precursor to meth.

40 comments:

  1. I’m glad they’re taking their time to go over all counts. From what I’ve read here, I’ve realized no one views this trial the same 😐 so we might get a verdict or we might have a hung jury. Nothing is certain. No matter how guilty or innocent he looks to any of us.

    If my memory doesn’t fail me only one state in the US doesn’t require unanimous verdict. For sure NY isn’t it

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    1. Funniest shit I’ve heard all trial: Jurors taking long so they won’t have to go back to work this week!

      Apparently there’s some jobs that pay you while you are in jury duty 🤨

      I also saw on the news that each juror was receiving $40 (if I’m not mistaken). Imagine being unemployed receiving $200 weekly... I would drag it out too lol

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    2. a year ago it was raised to 50 plus 7 for "travel"

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    3. Chapo will walk out a free man

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  2. What will the verdict be? I cantc wait.. people are saying 20 years+.

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    1. It’s going to be 100+ years.

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  3. You could toss both Alex and Jorge cifuentes testimonies and still get a conviction on Pedro's testimony along with tapes he made. They did both admit they were liars.

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  4. I wonder if he is going to be set free?

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  5. Yes evidence is all ?????able also the treaty violation in which he was extradited illegally from Mexico cause of EPN,s$$$$bribes and his corrupted term as Jefe of Mexico .so yes he is not the bad guy is he guilty by association ?????

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    1. How was this an illegal extradition? I’m seriously interested in knowing. Also, if it was illegal, why hasn’t AMLO speak up? Why isn’t the president asking the US for his return?

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    2. Re: treaty 1986 Reagan, Amlo,read up on it illegally extradited Epn signed off on it before all of his Amparo's were exhausted so technically he would still be in Mexico if it weren't for the corrupted regime of EPN cartel ."EPN CARTEL"shared airplane hangar with the "BLO CARTEL" Mexico city until he became ELJEFE of Mexico so who is really the bad guys the Leaders of Mexico & Estados Unidos Of America.say it with me nice guys finish last .#FREECHAPO.ll3%

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    3. 219 smarty pants wanna be lawyer, sorry to inform you, all is valid, the case is coming to an end. And I say he will get life in the American prison.

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    4. Why didn't his lawyers exhaust the amparos??? he was extradited months after EPN signed

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    5. The responsibility of "leaders" of Mexico and United States don't cancel out the responsibility of narcos.

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    6. The simple fact is that chapo doesn’t want to be in Mexico....chapo is allí v the shots

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  6. The defense attorneys didnt even object like they should have, for example why did Damaso get away with ratting on Chapo's wife helping Chapo escape ? That was revenge against her and Chapo plain and simple.
    What did that have to do with any charges ? That discredits Damaso's testimony as having bias, he was a trick who got exposed as a double agent.

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    1. You know, I thought so too! Why didn't the defense object to the claims of his wife assisting his escape? They could have said there's no evidence! Instead they let it slide

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  7. This is not " massive ". He's done... he will never be free again. And if by some strange occurance he is, he will be dead shortly there after. Just my opinion.

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  8. They’re hung up on ephedrine?? Done! Convicted! Such technicalities point to the end of this pendejo.

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  9. First the conviction and the forensic accountants go after.....Everything jaja!!

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  10. El Señor saldra libre muy pronto! Aqui en Culican Sinaloa esperamos al Viejon. Los commandos estan listos para sus ordenes

    El Sies de GN

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    1. Y donde estaba el commando el dia que lo agarraro. Por eso le quitaron a tejas a los mexicanos. Los agarraron dormidos.

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    2. Le hicieron un favor a mexico nomas mira ala gente de texas. Pff mejor asi compa

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  11. Chapo Had A Good Run. We Will never See another Drug Lord Like That! ADX is where he will go. Mayo Was playing chess and won! #FreeChapo

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    1. Hey moron have u ever heard of Mayo Zambada

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    2. 6:48 the grandpa who's scared shirtless of mencho?

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    3. 11:32 no escribas mamadas. El mayo miedo al violado. Nope

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  12. The jury will always be looking over their shoulder you think the US will assign a security guard to follow them, around.? Con el dinero baila el pero

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  13. Even if El Chapo is found innocent or hung jury/mistrial, no way is he walking out of there onto the streets of New York. Remember they've been guarding him with DefCon 5 security at no small cost. He'll get hit with another trial in one of the other US cities where they have built cases. They're not going to send him back to Mexico, no way, although that would be Chapo's absolute best case, in his dream all the henchmen are standing by right now to file amparos, dig tunnels, etc.

    As Chivis pointed out - he could have just said "your honor I'm guilty, I ran the racket and I'm here to take the fall. Where's my cell?" and left the door open for future snitching in exchange for reduced time. or he could have negotiated with the prosecution and snitched out everyone (as if they needed him to rat on Mayo, Azul, Chapitos, etc.)or he could plead innocent and take his chances.

    Remember how it was said that Mexico was afraid to extradite Chapo because they were scared he'd snitch on all the money/mordidas paid to all the generals and politicos? In effect the prosecution did that for him. What difference would it have made if he would have testified against not only his cartel partners but all the big biters?

    And lastly - what do you really think El Mayo wants? What value does Chapo have to him now? Would he benefit if Chapo were out of the picture? Just sayin

    It's Mexico so we'll never really know, you know...quien sabe

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    1. El mayo jefe supremo del cartel

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  14. El mayo jefe supremo del cartel

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  15. Didn't they find a couple of guns on a few members of CDS from the fast and furious, and why wouldnt the judge allow chapos lawyers to talk about it,

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    2. 1:58 y esa mamada??

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    3. can someone from BB explain why this comment was published?

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  16. All this people want is more time yo get more shit for their book.

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  17. Can anyone translate what was said here

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