Sunday, November 18, 2018

A Caravan migrant is kidnapped, he bragged about shooting down Mexicans

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat Thank you Lacy! material from Superchannel 12

He said "What are 30 assholes going to do against 30k migrants?"



It began when a Central American migrant was interviewed on video, threatening to Mexicans who are protesting against the caravan.  It is unclear where this took place but most likely in Tijuana Mexico, near the POE with the United States.

He threatened to shoot Mexicans that interfered, saying, “If they want violence, that is what they will see. What are 30 assholes going to do against 30k migrants?” he asked.

He is heard about next in a video posted on social media, after he is kidnapped and is being interrogated.



Mexicans in large part have little use for people from Central America, and have begun protesting in Tijuana against their arrival, not allowing them to loiter around the border fence. On social media, comments are brutal against the migrants, calling them free loading dogs, saying “go back to where you came from” Read the comments in the youtube video. Tensions are high.  Shelter and medical costs in Tijuana alone have cost millions. No news what happened next.

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  1. " Mexicans in large part have little use for people from central america " hahaha! You kidding me? Whos the racist now?

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    1. Mexican nationals are very racist. Mexicans are very prejudiced against central americans and dark skin.

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    2. U are correct chivis.
      Funny;This mentality towards Central Americans by Mexicans are the same perceptions many Americans hold to all those who do not reside.

      Gotta love the irony.
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    3. The same way Mexicans are racist towards Central Americans, it goes both ways! I’m mexican and live in LA — and I can tell you that Central Americans are extra rude towards me than the white people in the neighborhood. I’m not racist towards them, I just think they are dirty for literring in our neighborhood especially if you compare East Los, it’s clean and majority are Mexican residents.

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    4. Nobody in the world would accept that caravan. Mexico is poor with high unemployment rate.. everyone is racist when it comes to other people from different parts of the world trying to take over their country with no respect

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    5. Mexico's unemployment rate is only 3.6

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    6. There's a Haiti Community in TJ Chivis? and your saying Mexicans are racist to dark people hmmm seems to me like your being the racist one Haitians aren't lazy asses as the Hondurians ask the Mexicans

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    7. Yeah that's because about 80 percent are in the drug trade I guess that counts as having a job

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    8. Chivis I seem to defend Central Americans a lot , Mexican Nationals love any kind of Race , my Dad is Darker then el Negro Bimbo that manage to Marrie una Asendada Alemana , is their actions that gets them in trouble, lots of them are ms13 and they have no love for family and life ,

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    9. There disrespectful that why people are doing what there doing they leave trash and leave full bottles of water behind.They were welcome givin support and now we are seeing the thank you am American live in Mexico.I don’t support to this and understand why US talks about Mexicans taking there jobs yet you don’t see white people on the fields let’s be real you wouldn’t you need at least 15/ hour to work there.Mexicans have improve United States and also have ruin themselves in the United States.Dont blame drugs since the majority that invited them were the United States do your research Vietnam and other wars got us drugs.

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    10. Chivis thank you/mil gracias for the truth, that's why many of us are here at BB. Any foreigner who's lived in Mexico for more than a few months knows that Mexicans hate black people, they call all Asians "chinos" and treasure whiteness in appearance above all.

      A fin de cuentas todos son malinchistas, verdad Chivis?

      Argentinians are also neo-Nazi racist AF. If you want to piss off an Argentine, ask him what part of Mexico he's from. Brazil is the only Latin American country where mixed-race ancestry doesn't matter so much and that's cause there's 150 million of them.

      In general all Latinos/Democrats and Hispanics/Republicans even those that live in the US are flag-waving nationalists, though they protest their countries' corruption.

      Also - look at the comments on this board from the Mexicans. Everyone hates those who aren't from their state/village/pinche pueblo. The whole Sinaloa vs. CJNG vs. Michoacano's etc. is based on all that provincial cacique feuds from pre-Cortesian times.

      As the chilangos say "Fuera de Mexico, todo es Cuautitlan" = Except for Mexico City the whole country is a one-horse town

      Viva la raza LOLOLOLOLOLOL

      I'd like to buy Mexico for what it's really worth and sell it for what Mexicans think it's worth.

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    11. 9:12; Far less than 1% would be much closer estimate to the ridiculous claim you say.
      By the way - what percent of North American use illegal drogas? I read 2.2% 9 and 10 grade try cocaine. This is more than 3x people working in Mexican drug trade.

      Also not all Mexicans are very racist or even racist, but I have seen in many big city like Lima, Santa Cruz Bolivia, and other wealthy city that many night clubs and places to eat will find reasons not to let in Indios y negros even when they have money and dress nice. I see this in Lima more than any place. My experience is that Columbia is less racist of other country. Suriname and French Guiana are ruled by East Indians that have money and they are most racist to los indios y negros in all of the South Americas in my experience.

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    12. 9:12 not every Mexican is in the drug trade, most of us are 2 proud to take easy money so we work hard for it and it don’t matter where we work hard, Mexico, USA, Canada, Spain, Germany, the point is that the 1% that is involved in the drug game make us look bad and I don’t know if you’re 2 stupid to understand or you’re just plain stupid

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    13. 3.6% maybe true. But foreign companies r only paying about $48.00 a week here in Matamoros. I agree don't like central Americans. Democrats in the US weclome them in, than lowers wages for US citizens.

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    14. Damm mexicans sounding like some canadians up in here.

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    15. The drug trade is not easy, give credit where credit is due.

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    16. Those are not mexicos numbers BTW

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    17. @3:23 thank you for weighing in. It is what I hoped for. I have to been honest although it pains me. But the position of the government and the US immigration policies is just too too rich, if one knows the truth.

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    18. yes chivis is correct. unemployment is rising but still low it was in the 2 percentile. what I see is for years if you want employment here, you can get it.

      https://tradingeconomics.com/mexico/unemployment-rate

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    19. I'm laughing a little because the first thing we learned years ago in college Spanish 101 was to never, ever ask, "¿Eres indio?" I can't ever imagine asking someone that, but in the US, Native Americans hold onto that heritage as a matter of pride, and it's a status symbol to be part Native American. However, you do *not* ask that in Mexico or anywhere south of Mexico. I'll never forget that.

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    20. Thank you Chivis for doing things the way you do . I donk ask for much the truth will do just fine wont you lay it on the line ! - Triumph

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    21. I definitely do not believe that all Mexicans are racist. I'm black and frequent Mexico quite a bit from Tijuana to Oaxaca.

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    22. Many races are prejudiced against differences among their own people. Here's a great example. Different Indian Tribes are among the Hispanic races. Many times those Tribes don't like each other just as American Indians were always fighting and killing one another. Even America Blacks don't often times like the differences in color in their own race.

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  2. Yeah well that is the reason someone put his face on Social Media so that someone else can shut this guy up. Sad though. He is only ONE imbecil talking smack outside his turf.
    Killing him will NOT solve or prove anything however other than saying some Mexicans are animals - more than they already say of course. Hopefully he is found well but perhaps bruised up for talking shit.

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  3. looks like "30 PENDEJOZ" got this guy 1'st

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  4. Idiot for thinking Tijuana plays. Those immigrants are in for a treat I was over in Tj over the weekend and those people aren’t playing they’re angry the migrants are throwing gang signs thinking they can do what they want here

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    1. Well imagine if they had gone through Veracruz then Tamauliopas...
      Way worst than TJ, 100 immigrants that took the Veracruz path are missing according to some YouTube videos...who knows if its true..

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    2. U come thru Tamps. Be prepared to Pay. No free lunch. Here.

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  5. Mexicans complaining about migrants to USA now that's irony!.

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  6. Definitely a case of its not where you're from, It's where you're at. I guarantee that more migrants will get killed in Tijuana.

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    1. If they fuck up and piss off tge wrong one or start interferring with a capo and his Plaza you know it's going to go down. During the war 100s of thousands of people died I dont think they want to piss off the wrong one. There 30k won't count for shit once the bullets start flying

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    2. I think that they are already interfering with business because of the added scrutiny at the border. There are a lot of powerful people in Tijuana and a lot of dollars flow thru there. The only other city that sees so much dollars would be the tourist area of Cancun. Honduras is bad but Tijuana is not a place to be disrespectful to the locals. I think the migrants are going to have a very difficult time especially since many of them do not have identification.

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  7. working on the video very difficult to determine the narrative. i will post later

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  8. Goverment is absent, Pe√Īa Nieto admin is null. The resentiment is agravated due to current tragedy in Nayarit with zero aid or support from Government, the same for the people in Guerrero under the siege of narco violence causing people fleeing from their lands.Instead, migrants are pampered by Government, international associations and citizens, and migrants are acting like real brats. Either you support them or you are against them, M√©xico is not ready for the outcome.

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    1. Mexican authorities / officials have always been absent when pertaining to civil order.

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  9. Mexicans even discriminate againts mexicans raised in the states

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    1. True story. They don't like Mexican American, it's been like that for a while. But it's also vice versa

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    2. It is a genetically encoded tendency humans and all social creature "naturally" create "others." It is what forms kin networks, groups, tribes, etc. There survival value in this genetic coded force.
      From this life force we get social grouping like tribes, gangs, clubs, classes, religions, nationalities, and "races".

      Civilizations, cultures, nationalities, are natural outcomes or inventions to channel and control destructive forces within defined social groups.

      It is "natural" to fear and hate the "other".... So, it should not surprise anyone if Mexicans and Central American dislike or hate "other" groups...(As we know, "hate" takes subtle to extreme forms).

      Evidence for what I wrote above is all around us...staring us bluntly right in the face.

      Mexico-Watcher

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    3. I was just in ensenada and they look at us that are born in the states like we are the enemy mean mugging all of it and they like to call us pochos

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    4. Mexican Americans are considered pochos in Mexico.

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    5. I am old gringo live in Mexico. Very true Mexican from the U S is not well liked

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    6. Just like Europeans don't like white Americans, they both from Europe

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    7. Mexicans are very racist and extremely hypocritical.

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    8. Mexicans treat the indigenous like crap! They don't have love for themselves or their own people, They obviously aren't going to treat anyone else better!In Casas Grandes, The indigenous roam the streets and The Mexicans treat them like crap. They hate Mexican Americans. We are seen as Malinches to them!

      I've gone into the liquor store a couple of times in Casas Grandes and The owner's son (who had a face full of piercings and blond hair) asked if I was Mexican or black and Where was I from, When I said the United States he rolled his eyes and his friends laughed and said to him, Don't get mad because you desperately want to be from the United States.

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    9. True my cousins never have liked me the ones from mexico even though i always tried being nice with them. Ive also heard how they express themselves about other mexicans from the states wich made me think they probably say the same about me. O well

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  10. I think all those hondurans are cartel members that are enemies of the the tijuana cartel, something should be done about this encroachment on enemies turf

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    1. Really? All of them? Even the children and the babies??

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    2. Unfortunately they are collateral damage, why drag a child all this way.

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  11. México has enough problems & bad hombres. Those migrants have a better chance of being eaten by a dinosaur than crossing into the USA under asylum. Remaining options are Canada or going back home.

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  12. Hahahaha good, pinche loud mouth! The 30 assholes could tame the 30K and focus on 1 hahahaha

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  13. So what is the second photo? Is he dead?

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    1. Naw hes in the back of a veichle bloody. They ask him why did he want to get into broncas.they question him a little n it ends

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  14. This article cldnt explain it better and now the mexicans can understand how americans feel. Americans have little use for mexicans and ppl from further south. You come to america to take what cld be given to the less fortunate people withing our borders legally.

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    1. Not all the way true. We don't dislike Mexicans coming from Mexico, I have gotten along fine with plenty, all they want is to work, support their families, I don't see why they're targeted by our president. At all.
      The dangerous ones, a different story. But most just want to live a normal, danger free life. All areas of US ARE NOT safe, but for the most part it is.
      I don't blame them for wanting to come on this side of the borer, asong as they understand that we have our own senze of humor, like to laugh and not give a F*** and let go. If you can do that, you can get akowith almost anybody. Peace

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    2. Mexicans come and work and appreciate what's given to them there's a difference

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    3. I beg to differ there are certain jobs the whites don’t want, for example an opportunity missed on my part. I was exiting the freeway one day and there was a Mexican guy selling fruit walking up n down the exit ramp, and sitting on the ground at the end was a white man with a sign. No motivation to do anything. The white man has too much pride to do some of the jobs Mexicans will do. So no they don’t come n take jobs. Look around society is getting worse and lazy. Around
      My city the homeless has gotten out of hand and there’s a lot of them who are mid twenties young able bodies

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    4. 9:32 ur full of crap mr/mrs american there is a huge difference,the caravana guys entered by force insulting demanding destroying threatning to kill mexicans,they lazy dirty n ungrateful leaving a mess behind after MEXICAN citizens help them (one thing americans dont do for mexicans) n guess what....the same way they doing it south the border they will do here...

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    5. I would invite you to come and visit a farming community in California. You will find that Mexicans take jobs under such brutal conditions the every day American won't dare to do. If you consider that little or no use for Mexicans you need to re-evaluate your thoughts not only on Thanksgiving but every time you and your family have a meal.

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    6. @9:32 LMAO what fcking state do you live in??. Come to Texas and you will see who the fck is building this fcking state.. Mexicans are the biggest labor force down here and in many other states.. whether it's building a local school or the highway Hispanics are there making sure it gets done right.. I don't how you can say America has no use for use... Moron

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    7. 7:51: pay an American a decent wage to work in those conditions and they would be happy to do those hard jobs. Its the farmers that want to maximize profits. I would pay more for my produce, knowing that the labor participation rate has Gone up and homelessness has gone down.

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    8. David david—— our president didn’t say all Mexicans were bad, he said SOME!

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    9. fine tuning that further he said "Some" of those crossing illegally. he is articulate at times, but clearly that is what he said.

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  15. Hopefully he's alive. Con una calentada es mas que suficiente para que se le quite lo hablador.

    El Ranchero de Juarez

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  16. Is he dead? You could have at least stated it in the article.

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    1. Maybe you'd like to help write the articles?

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  17. Mexicans must accept the cultural enrichment!
    I can’t wait until we revoke birthright citizenship.
    The hotels of racism from south of the border will be priceless.

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  18. White and mixed Mexicans are very racist towards all Indigenous groups in Mexico

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  19. I'm white, and have met mostly good (and some bad) people from many countries. In general, there's something different about people from Honduras. They're very intense and never seem to be happy or relaxed. The country must be very, very difficult to live in.

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  20. Indios, Cholos, Pochos, Jotas, even Chilangos. These are not nice monikers but are universally used down here. The migrantes will work for less money, shun sindicatos, and raise tensions in a place that already has too many. The gangs have not moved in yet. Many of the caravaners will end up at putas or putos. They will be told to strap on 30 Kg of drogas then pointed north in the final caravan. The dogs of this ruin are the organizers of the caravans who spread lies in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras. The fate of the caravaners should be shouted in the EUA and the gringo organizers should be shunned.

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  21. Where the he'll is this so called gente nueva special forces elite patrullando la frontera y todo noreste de Mexico dia y noche.

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  22. Plain and simple, The more you give the more they take. Used to be people came Ah Chingarle now they come Ah Chingar. We have enough lazy people (citizens) here that take advantage of the system (working class) cant support more. Why cant these other countries help their own citizens. They should fight for their rights there.

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  23. Racism comes from ignorance and well we all know how ivnorant y tapados mexican nationals are. Btw soy 100% mexicano. Eso si preguntales como le fue a seleccion el viernes. Lol.

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  24. What nationality are you, chiviz?

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    1. I have dual citizenship-but born in U.S. and my other is not in north america and is from marriage. I have two passports but only use U.S.

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    2. @10:03 Chiivis

      Is your other citizenship from South America?

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  25. BB FOLLOWERS:
    I feel the need to clarify my statement of racism in Mexico. I don't understand racism, and bigotry, I deplore it. As a child I only encountered it once, hugely. and it killed my abundant confidence for years. Imagine being a 11 year old being the only person not invited to a party? "Because she is Mexican and they are not allowed in our home". I was so confused. I was president of student body. I always did well and had a ton of friends. Then this happened because of my skin color. I grew up in an almost all white school. no blacks, a handful of asians and 6 or so Mexicans.

    That was my introduction to racism. when i made my remark about Mexicans -in Mexico- being prejudiced and racist, it gave me no joy, but I have to be honest in discussion or I am as hypocritical as Mexicans and the mexican administration.

    That is why indigenous groups have to create their own government, police and schools. it is why they are never given tax dollars to improve their towns. it is why zapatistas have their own government and call the federal gob "Bad Government" it is why places like Michoacan created autodefensas. although 13 states have AD and have had groups for over 100 years. it is why the constitution gives the right for indigenous people to create their own government, police etc. Being they don't give a rats ass for people of color. Mostly found in the southern states. More black Mexicans are found in Guerrero, one of the most impoverished, violent states in Mexico. that is no coincidence. It is why the 43 kids were taken and killed in Iguala, because the perps thought there would be no consequence. Groups had previously gone to the feds begging for help with the killings. they said it was a state problem.

    no, the state was/is the problem. No until the world demanded answers did the feds step in. and now things are better...right? nope, when the spotlight left so did the feds and killings are up in Iguala.

    I try hard to keep a balance. I work with Migrante Shelters. In each backpack I give with supplies, I include a letter from me. I have seen men cry when reading it, one said "this is the first time I felt human and that someone cares since setting foot in Mexico".

    Most migrants are economic migrants and are good hard working people. and not like this punk loud mouth. And sadly there are bad people in the caravans. it is a free ride, paid for and organised by an open border group. we must demand the integrity of the immigration laws.

    I will say Mexicans who are not prejudice against CAs and dark skin are in the minority. Even I, which i am medium color as I said "cafe con leche" skin tone, even I encountered racism in a north east state. Long story. It was then I looked around the room and saw i was the sole person with jet black hair. The governors mother at the same meeting, a Spaniard woman did not accept my out stretched hand of greeting, she kept her hands at her side and simply nodded. and we were there to honor my work.

    So if you want to criticize me and point out what you heard or isolated incidents or situations, understand I lived and worked in Mexico. I know first hand the situation. My half maya buelita told me her spainard inlaws, all from san juan de los lagos, jalisco, would not meet her because of her ethnicity, so racism roots are deep in Mexico. Sadly both sides of the equation accept what is. So change will not be soon.

    I have been critical of mexico's criticism of U.S. policies and "treatment" of caravan migrants. and this is why.

    Thank you
    Stepping off soapbox. ..... Chivis

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    1. Thank you for sharing and your honesty

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    2. Chivis,

      Thanks for sharing. I had no idea that you have lived in Mexico. It is absolutely disgusting to isolate a CHILD solely based on skin color. In the US, I have experienced racism from other Hispanics because of where I am from (Hispanics tend to have a rivalry among themselves), but not from whites or blacks. Then again, I am very white with light eyes... I have traveled to neighborhoods that are predominantly white american and was graciously received even called "full white" ... so all I can say is I'm very sorry for other Hispanics who are mistreated for their skin color. Fuck the bitch who rejected your handshake. POS ass hoe. You're a great, goodhearted woman who's making a difference. Let her think she's above, she'll get her rude awakening.

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    3. in 2009 i set up offices, rented apts in mexico and a year later bought a home on the border. this was to oversee our family foundation. Since then I have learned the good and bad of my culture. and everything in between. but i also spent much time in the states with my husband, kids and family.

      I wish i could say the name of the governor's mother and governor. lets just say Karma is a bitch. and it was a teaching moment, albeit vile behavior. one can read about racism but living it is indelible ...that said the gov , wife and other family all treated me kindly. I never saw the matriarch smile however.

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    4. Nice post... its not racist to have secure borders and LEGAL immigration. Those saying a wall is racist are ignorant and just spewing what an open borders intelectually dishonest person told them.

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    5. Damn Chivis, after reading your post about learning of racism when you were little, you're going to make me write you another corrido.

      -El Arrepentido de la Sierra

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    6. Nice chivis since ur so compacionate towards disrespecful ungrateful people like those in caravanas open ur house doors n shelter them..

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    7. Not the point of your post, but if I had a party, you'd be the first one I'd invite, Chivis! We'd talk, have fun, and have an intelligent conversation. :-)

      Mrs. 1139

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    8. Thank you so much for this post - and for all you are and all you do. Much respect and admiration - Loyal BB reader from SF

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    9. 1:16 you I place in the hopeless pile. Spend less time on blogs and more getting an education, the lack of it is glaring. Especially comprehension.

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    10. #116 SCHOOLED BY CHIVIS

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    11. @9:13 I love raven tresses. Blond hair looks faintly dirty, with subtle notes of unwashed canine.

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    12. Americans need to concern themselves more with who they vote into office, rather than being concerned about people like the whoredashians. Reason I say this....in Texas, lawmakers decided to spend time and resources on legislature making it illegal to run a lemonade stand!! Look it up! Instead of being concerned about more important issues, Texas lawmakers made sure to allow "bake sales" legal and tax them. These same lawmakers are completely ignoring the issue of how to enhance the immigration process. People that were voted into these positions should be spending their time coming up with ways to streamline the process...make it better. Good going Texas!!!

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    13. Chiva seems u didn't like the post where i put u in the hypocrite pile ah u read it so that's good enough to me,ur a brager,fake biopolar n hypocrite person..

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    14. Oh you silly willis...at 3:54. I missed any such comment, I finally have help during the holidays and guess he thought it was not worthy of posting. Now back to the basement.

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  26. Its simple .. come legally or dont come at all. That goes for anywhere. Mexico, the US, Canada etc.

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  27. I realize this is a stupid question, but do Central and South Americans discriminate against a Central American raised in the US that doesn't speak Spanish? We adopted an ethnically Hispanic child, who is now 13, and he hates speaking Spanish (and hasn't spoke any since he was 2 years old). I'm trying to encourage him to learn because I know one day he may want to identify with and befriend fellow Hispanic people and learn about his culture versus being surrounded by all of the white people in his life (although we love him very much and don't personally care if he never wants to speak Spanish). I love Spanish, but I guess he doesn't want to be 'different'. He does not want to learn. I have not pushed it. Husband said to have him focus on the hard sciences and schoolwork versus pushing him to relearn Spanish.

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    1. 11:39 he should not have to learn Spanish because hes ethnically Hispanic. It is very important to learn another language and a couple if you can but I would push him to learn what interests him. He doesn't need validation from anyone. As long as he loves himself then that's what matters. The kind of people that would judge someone for not speaking a language are not the kind of people you would want as friends.

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    2. Great points, 247. Thank you.

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      Don’t force him

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  28. Mrs. 1139, I would encourage for his future to relearn the Spanish language. Being able to speak a 2 nd pays extra money in good job fields.Our 2 kids 10 and 12 still speak English and Spanish, we hope they don't lose it, and they are not afraid to speak both.

    El Perin

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    1. Thanks. :-) I'm going to keep encouraging him!

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    2. 12:48 encourage him to study a language and culture that interests him. The world is such a huge place with so many cultures and languages. I meet so many Mexican Americans that have so much potential but they set the bar so low for themselves because they feel they have to live a certain way based on the norms and way of life of the Hispanics around them. This goes for many other groups too. Imagine him speaking Mandarin or Italian, french. He would set himself apart big time.

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    3. 316, thank you. :)

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  29. This is some powerful clear headed thinking. you are brave, you could get attacked for sharing truth born from your life experience and knowledge. It is fact. I also scoffed at the Mexican Media and EPN admin slamming trump for immigration policies at the border. The hypocrisy is too rich. Tens of thousands of migrants are kidnapped and disappear in Mexico every year.

    Your comment was touching and teaching. I thank you

    San Antonio Texas

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  30. Honestly TJ is no joke. I have a house there and I love the food and culture but dead bodies is normal down there. Like literally when u see a big black trash bag on the side of the road that someone dumped, it’s very possible there is a body or body parts in that trash bag. Sad but true. I’ve seen it.

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  31. Oh the irony.

    Always claiming someone took advantage or 'disrespected' you,
    Yet too self-absorbed to give respect where respect is due.

    The least qualified to speak... never shut up
    And those who actually know... don't speak.

    Two ears, but only soundbites get through to their brain,
    And one great big mouth pulling double-duty:
    Bragging, Insulting, Accusing, Making Excuses... Lying

    It's, "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy", for a reason. Sooner than you think, you're gonna need a merciful God on your side. Instead of blaming & pointing fingers at everyone else, hating them for being 'different' than you (too white, too dark, not Mexican enough, etc...) Instead of playing judge, jury, & executioner, how about a little "Live & Let Live" for a change? It surely couldn't hurt.

    The worst enemy of the real desplazado?
    Lawlessness & corruption. That's what creates their desperate situation in the first place.

    One would think, rather than attacking and criticizing those who are trying to establish law & order, the people who look for help & justice from their neighbors would show at least some kind of gratitude, not constantly fighting against the very people who actually keep their word and play fair by the rules.

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  32. I don't think this individual is a great example of the majority of these illegal migrants. But he certainly does demonstrate that many of them are belligerent and think they are "entitled" to come to the USA. To threaten however will get them nowhere hopefully. We'll see what the actual resolve of the POTUS is about this. He looks pretty serious. But the Democrat Party wants us over run obviously. They don't like the USA as it "IS".

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