Tuesday, September 11, 2018

The bloody fight between "El Mencho" and his former allies

Translated by El Profe for Borderleand Beat from La Jornada
                   
                        

Former allies of Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes, El Mencho, dispute control over the western part of the country: Colima, Jalisco, Nayarit, Michoacán and Guanajuato, where there have been 643 murders reported from January to July. 

Carlos Enrique Sánchez Martínez, El Cholo, founder of the Nueva Plaza cartel - the first split facing El Mencho - may have support from the Sinaloa cartel.

To this alliance, according to sources consulted by the security cabinet, is the return of Erick Valencia Salazar, El 85, together with El Mencho founded one of the most powerful organization to date. 

The western part of the country is one of the most important, strategically, for the drug cartels, as the ports of Manzanillo and Lázaro Cárdenas are the gateway for chemical precursors from Asia for the manufacture of synthetic drugs.

Valencia Salazar was arrested in March 2012 during an operation implemented by elements of the Ministry of National Defense in the municipality of Zapopan. 

He remained in the maximum security prison of El Altiplano, but at the end of December of last year a judge acquitted him for violations of due process. Since then he would have had contact with El Cholo, who, before breaking with Nemesio Oseguera, acted as one of the closest in the circle of the the sicario leader.

Meanwhile, the strongest faction of the Sinaloa cartel -which includes Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada and the sons of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán- may be financing El Cholo to take over areas in Jalisco, Colima, Nayarit and Michoacán. 

The rupture between El Cholo and Nemesio Oseguera has increased violence in the area, which is under control of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel. According to data from the Executive Secretariat of the National Public Security System, between January and July, 1,835 victims of intentional homicide were registered in Guanajuato; Jalisco follows with one thousand 243; Michoacán, 878; Colima, 403, and Nayarit, 248.

According to official information, El Cholo has a strong presence in Zapopan, but also has operations in Tonalá, Tlajomulco de Zúñiga and Tlaquepaque. In addition, he could gain strength in some points of Michoacán with the support of Valencia Salazar and in Nayarit with the Sinaloa group. 

It is worth remembering that the Jalisco New Generation Cartel is blamed for the murder of the film students last March. According to the statement of one of the detainees, Omar “N” allegedly was paid 3 thousand pesos a week for dissolving the bodies in acid. El Mencho's group allegedly confused the young people with members of the Nueva Plaza Cartel, because they were located in a building that was linked to them.

The government has increased its actions to capture El Mencho, for whom the reward has increased to 30 million pesos to whoever provides information about him.

80 comments:

  1. Michoacanos saying cjng taking sinaloa plazas but cant even beat El cholo in their own home turf LMAO El jalisciense salio más bravo senores

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    1. Just like mayo cant get rid if beltranes in his own state lol el cholo getting help from mayo and marro but still can't beat mencho. No digas tontadas

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    2. Mencho this and Mencho that. It's not as if Mencho took out Chapo or Mayo. IF the story holds, he could not commit to killing Chapitos on holiday 🤦‍♂️

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    3. Los Beltran are from Sinaloa too

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    4. 3 bullies (cds, cholo, 85) gang up on 1 bully (cjng), doesnt seem to me like cds is big bad ass cartel everyone cheers for. Dont get me wrong, I wish they kill everyone of these cartel members on all sides equally. But bring down the cheerleading just a few notches because cheering for sinaloa and them having to join 2 other splinter cells doesnt seem like a win!

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    5. Zapopan aint shit! Cholo aint shit without sinaola!

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    6. Getting rid of Beltranes in his own state? It’s as much Beltranes state as it is Mayo’s state, they are from the same hills as Chapo

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    7. 1:16 Where are the Beltrans cells now. All the logistics, government ties that they received from Amado are now Mayo's and Chapo Isidro y los H's never had disputes with Mayo. The war was against Chapo.

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    8. @2:09 joining forces with other groups is exactly what cjng does otherwise wouldnt b as big...it needed to joined forces in michoacan needed to join in tj ...remember the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"..

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    9. 2:13 u dont know what u talking about zapopan is perfect city to launder million in money reason why cartels try to settle there cds cjng cdg...dont b mad cause mencho cant run around jalisco freely no more...

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    10. LOL true 9:26. Look how butthurt the cheerleaders are.

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    11. 2:53
      The beltranes took out most of the Antrax which were under the mayo flag. What are you talking about ???

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    12. Some comments are just crazy “can’t get rid of Beltranes” really? Los Beltrán son de Sinaloa igual que el Chapo y el Mayo. Other then in La Sierra they too have a ranch near culiacan named “Campo 10” so la Fam Beltran ain’t leaving Sinaloa.

      And yes, it’s true cholo is getting support from M and his crew(s) but only time will tell how much support and to what extent they have between the groups.

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    13. 2:09 PM 3 bullies? y que son los CTNG? que son los caballeros templarios.? que son la linea.? y la poca alianza que tuvo con el licenciado.? van 3 sin contar al licenciado y que de la alianza con los beltranes. con la alianza de josegil pelo chino y sajid.?? si el mayo no cae de aqui a diciembre... y OJO de que cae puede caer. nada de que paga el gobierno. si le da la gana o lo agarran mal parado lo arresta el gobierno. para que no digan cosas que no son. tal como el mencho no es como lo pintan muchos. el CJNG se va a hacer celulas y algunas abdorbidas por otro cartel. de mi se acuerdan y se van a cambiar de nombre..

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    14. 2:53 you chinolas love making shit up. Ofcourse Chapo isidro has beef with mayo if he tries to go to his area 8n Sinaloa. One difference between michoacanos and chinolas is that michoacanos will fight for plazas unlike chinolas who don't. Michoacan are way more ruthless and would try to take out the competition. Chinolas are the type to see the competition on the other side and not do nothing. Huge difference. I read of a lot of truces between cds,beltranes and Juarez cartel in parts of Texas and culiacan. I understand the Texas one but why culiacan? You know damn well if either cartel saw an advantage in either city they would go after on other and forget the truce lol

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    15. @2:53 “I read of a lot of truces between cds,beltranes and Juarez cartel in parts of Texas and culiacan.”

      Did they have official narco notary officiate each truce for you to read? GTFOH

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    16. Arriba La Familia Mas poderosa La Familia Michoacána que todo via sique viva

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  2. 30,000 pesos, for information on Menchos werabouts. Never heard anyone collecting on a reward, in Mexico. If one tried to collect...the person would be made disappear, by the government.

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  3. I thought it was clear that 85 was siding with Mencho, but this appears different.

    "According to official information, El Cholo has a strong presence in Zapopan, but also has operations in Tonalá, Tlajomulco de Zúñiga and Tlaquepaque. In addition, he could gain strength in some points of Michoacán with the support of Valencia Salazar and in Nayarit with the Sinaloa group."

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    1. One thing is for sure, there is no way cholo will enter michoacan. His people will get wiped out quick. It took mencho practically all his life to take parts of that plaza and finally paying off. It's nuts how 85 flipped on mencho though

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    2. Flipped!? No Mamés fake news

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  4. I don't think sinaloa allied with El Cholo, but 85 probably did which explains his heightened power in Jalisco after the hits Valencias have been taking leading to assume Mencho turning in his in laws

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    1. They are not talking about the cuinis, it's a different family from michoacan. Cuinis are still close to mencho

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  5. All hose chumps against mencho but yet cjng is still expanding? I wonder how it will turn out.. they better hope they catch mencho. Wouldn't be surprised if mayo had something to do with mencho's bounty. this is getting interesting though

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    1. Still expanding ? Jajaj Mencho is running for his life these days jaja

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    2. Cjng is losing ground and this guy talking bout they’re still expanding lol

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    3. Losing? De donde pendejo?

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  6. El 85 took control of CJNG after brothers el Lobo and El Tigre were arrested and Nacho Colonel killed. That ended in 2012 when El 85 was arrested.

    It looks like El 85 is trying to take his cartel back, and is using El Cholo to do it with backing from Mayo and the El Chapo Guzman sons. I believe El Cholo controls about half of the local drug sales in Guadalajara.

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    1. I heard different. El 85 was the one that wanted to put mencho in charge of nacho coronels organization above other men whom outranked mencho. So its weird that el 85 is rumored to have turned on mencho.

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    2. Why do you believe he controls about half?? Where did you get that from?

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    3. A lot has happened since El 85 was arrested. CJNG has gobbled up a lot of territory, and much heat is coming down on them. Before he was imprisoned, they were the richest cartel in Mexico (still are) and largely flying under the radar.

      Perhaps he's pissed Mencho is bringing too much heat?

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  7. Si le matan al el 85 los torcidos van a perder.

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    1. Oh i got it wrong so el 85 is now allegedly fighting mencho. Incredible how this men turned on each other like fucking snakes

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  8. i don't know why the media keeps saying el 85 broke ties with mencho that is not the case, from what is heard nueva plaza is getting wiped out but cjng is just cleaning the plaza of what is remaining of cholos and marros people nueva plaza does not have presence in other states at all

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    1. 12:19 yet the media keeps reporting 85 turned on cjng and Nueva Plaza now controls GDL metro. Dude quit making up shit

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    2. Who are your sources? Hate when pendejos like @12:19 make claims that arent supported by facts. Pendejo

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    3. 4:50 yea keep believing everything the media says you are the one that believes everything from blog del narco lol its what is said in guadalajara i live in jalisco do i can tell you what is said when resistencia faught cjng resistencia had alot more conections and firepower some of those guys were big time but not even they stood a chance against cjng what makes you think el cholo a local drugdealer can win

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  9. so el 85 teamed up with el cholo to fight el mencho?

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  10. Mayo used his political muscle to get an 85 out makes a lot of sense

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    1. He must have used that political muscle to get Mencho’s wife out also. Good thing he has that kind of muscle. Maybe a lastminute gesture before he flexes his muscles to kill off mencho since he hasnt succeeded killing him in the last 10yrs. But hey maybe now he has some muscle to get it done!

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    2. What does his wife have to do with it? Every narco has political power

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  11. if el cholo have sinaloa cartel backing them , then mencho will lose no doubt

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    1. Sinaloa is a joke now, they have no soldiers to fight all cjng aka Mata Zetas. Mencho is like a general, after mencho split all cds have is anthrax and gente nueva that are only tough in corridors but never took a plaza

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    2. Me being from sinaloa its not a joke people talk about how nice cds is but the truth is you get involved and make a mistake the sinaloa cartel is as ruthless as it gets. the sicarios are blood thirsty and so many trying to make a name they will find you. Sinaloa didnt have to openly declare war against Mencho and they already control Guadalajara. Make no mistake Mencho operates till sinaloa says so. Mencho is in over his head. CDS avoids too much blood shed bevause they are a buisness and too much bloodshed is bad for buisness... In a swipe Mencho lost his most important plaza ,guadalajara . They arent just about violence.

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    3. Chapo, Mayo, Los Menores all together couldnt take Mencho down. Oh but now with Cholo they are a force to be reckoned with! Good thing for CDS federation they have Cholo, because with out him they have no chance!

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    4. @1:24 pretty sure ur missing more cells of cds dummy but its fine im not gonna pop ur bubble keep dreaming btw antrax as far as i know is no longer n GN is in chihuas where cjng is NOT... ur totally out of wack...

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    5. Cds so bad and ruthless but mencho now operates in cds plazas.. Guadalajara is the second biggest city in Mexico, and just like Mexico city ALL the cartels operate there pendejos

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    6. Los ántrax not in GN? Ya, right. Those fools are still active & remember los Ántrax nor Gente nueva are not the only teams out that Sinaloa has.

      @ 1:53
      I agree with you.

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    7. El Mencho cant control Guadalajara? Lol thats in the heart of Jalisco. I thought cjng was a "super cartel" ? Thats hilarious lets stop hyping this guy if a guy named Cholo is in charge of his main plaza. jajaja

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    8. Un saludo pa los pelones

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  12. I doubt el 85 is against mencho. It's b.s

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  13. Must suck to be el mencho running and hiding 24/7. Its only a matter of time. Its like Saddam hussein, mumar gaddafi,el chapo, pablor escobar or osama bin laden. Eventually they were all found and captured or killed. Not worth it to be a king pin these days. Your wanted your family members are wanted if they aren't already killed or captured by government or rivals or CIA.

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    1. That's how el mayo lives as well

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    2. Ya....he's gonna get scooped up Osama style, executed, and dumped. No body to memoralize. No trial. Smarter would be drone strike. That way only him and his circle get it. Very soon.

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    3. Mayo 40 years plus and still living lavage

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  14. Jalisquillas and Michoacanas always talking smack about Mensos power. Menso will have power until his daddy the US government decides. You poor clowns

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    1. Just like chapo

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    2. That's the truth, mayo paid billions to the U.S so he should be ok. All the U S wants 8s money, they can care less how many Mexican or even Americans die

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    3. idk much.. but r we seeing the fall out a proxy cartel.. BB should make an article on conspiracy theories on how the one percent(illuminati) r fucking around for kicks in mex for their drug obsession.. British rule once controlled the opium game with China.. now the US has Mexico con mi perico, mi gallo y mi chiva jaja... i wonder what animal representation meth should be for the remix.
      eLxBarrett

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    4. @12:12 - The Tasmanian Devil.

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  15. I thought El 85 was with Mencho 💯 but some people are saying he flipped on Mencho. Fake news or nah?

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  16. Fuck Menzo, Fuck El Sapo, Fuck El Miado, Fuck Z Chorrenta, Fuck all you cheerleaders

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  17. Plaza Nueva is now under the protection of Antrax Black Ops and Gente Nueva Special Forces .Jalisco has new owners!

    SICARIO. 006

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    1. Salazar Intel Group GIS is running multiple reconnaissance missions daily with US Army outfitted Cessna UC-35A Citations.

      SICARIO. 006

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    2. Orale sacrito 0006 your the man of the year.

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    3. At 813, man of the year? I picture him smoking a cigar from Cuba, with his face covered, with a Balcava. He resembles the husky image of Comandante Marcos.

      Luna Apaghta

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  18. Hey the BB follower that as seen an article about encho and 85. you need to send the link.

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    1. chivis what is your theory or knowledge on who 85 sits with?

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    2. I only have an opinion.
      When 85 was released, the word on the street is that he flipped and it was sinaloa that "bailed" him out. I blew it off thinking it absurd. I knew he and Cholo were close but he is family [married into] with mencho, second in command etc. then I heard nothing for a long time. a couple months ago i began hearing sinaloa is funding cholos war against mencho. THEN the original story made greater sense.

      I asked Char on forum what he thinks, he is on cjng news daily. He is adamant the answer is no way and there has never been a manta about it.But I am not sure there necessarily would have to be, Mencho cells "advertise" although he doesn't... unless to announce an arrival with a video or another tactical move, but that is far and few inbetween.

      But I just can't think that 85 would flip. the only way is if sinaloa really did bail him or mencho was responsible for his arrest. And so far there is no proof.

      no proof that we know if. remember this is not the media talking, this article was info from the security agencies of Mexico.

      Bottom line, I am not convinced yet...but open to the possibility

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    3. I am not surprised that a public message has not gone out.

      If I was...
      Mencho - I would not want the news to get out as it can only hurt my org.

      Cholo - I would want it out to strength my new org.

      85 - I would not want to make a choice on who my date was for the prom. Publicly picking a side only hurts me.

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    4. Cholo killed an associate of mencho and mencho got mad,didnt have his permussion.sinaola backs cholo tbat y he still around,just cause hes in a couple citys doesnt mean anything. 85 still with mencho..and they all hide and run not just mencho! Chapo did it,mayo still runs and hides,40 did it,arturo did it,barbie did it,all run and hide! Nobody wants to go to jail! And who doesnt do it is an idiot so all u dummys that tbink ur tuff and wouldnt run and hide are video game gruppies

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    5. Sinaloa is clearly investing on 85 dominance. Consequently, in a few years he might run Jalisco for Sinaloa, jail or dead. Just ask TEO and Muletas. The Beltranes, Coroneles and countless others

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    6. that's right chema it was "El Colombiano" jhere is a great post explaining the nueva plaza group and cholo
      http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/07/jalisco-how-powerful-is-nueva-plaza.html

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    7. Mencho betrayed and gave out Erick Valencia el 85 to take full control of cjng, many didn’t want El Mencho to be head including el cholo, and now that el 85 is out he is giving mencho hell in his own plaza both have sufficient resources to have a long lasting battle for the plaza

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    8. Cholo was menchos buddy since days of playas tijuana,i bet u guys didnt know that right? Eduardo aka lalo got picked up by arellano crew cause they were making meth lalo had just bounced out of a halfway home,had 6 months to go but decided he didnt wanna be there so he arrives in playas and a couple months later gets picked up,cuinis and mencho caugh up cash and they release lalo and they bounch to michoacan and guadalajara where the cuinis start hanging out with there future brother in law armando valencia,the real modern boss of jalisco not nacho! Any questions,didnt think so! I git the scoop on cuinis and mencho,like riding a bike! Everyine here just posts things they see on other sites or here say

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  19. Looking forward to the day this subhuman waste of man juice ends up before men of the law or even men of no law. Either way this losers days are numbered, cowering like a cornered rat.
    Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.....

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  20. Borderland Beat: GDL: Narco messages say corrupt judges worked with Mencho in the ...
    Borderland Beat › 2018/02 › cdl-narco-...

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    1. and those were very professionally done. many people thought they were printed and hung to detract from what was really going on. We will eventually know what happened with 85. A question that came up over and over is if Mencho did pay off corrupt judges and three level of government for the release, why did he wait so long?

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