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Saturday, January 20, 2018

Chalino Sanchez, the father of modern narco corrido, his history and death

Written by Otis B Fly-Wheel

Subject Matter: Chalino Sanchez
Recommendation: No prior subject matter knowledge required


Born Rosalino Sanchez in 1962 on a small ranch in Sinaloa named Las Flechas close to Culiacan and raised in Sanalona. He had seven brothers and one sister, Juana,  he was the youngest male sibling. Everyone in Mexico has a nickname and Rosalino was no different with various names being adopted by him at different stages in his life including his singing name of “Chalino”.

 Other names he had were Marcelino, El Pelavacas ( the cow skinner ), El Indio, Compa Chalino and El Valiente.El Valiente was a common name in this area of Sinaloa and was given to the rural tough guys who would shoot it out with as much relish as eating breakfast. Chalino started early with his criminal career, when Juan Quiroz lured away his sister as a concubine. Quiroz friend Hector El Chapo Perez  helped him, later boasting about it claiming that Juana was bad in bed and the kitchen, blemishing the good name of Juana, Chalino's sister. 

Chalino brooded about revenge but was not in a position to do anything about it for a few more years. They say revenge is a dish best served cold and 4 years later when he was 16,  Chalino shot and killed Hector El Chapo Perez at a Mexican Revolution party. There followed a shootout with Perez’s brothers. Chalino had warned Hector that he would kill him, saying " When I buy my first pistol I will shoot you in the chest with it". Chalino later even composed " Corrido de Rosalino" about the event:
He left his homeland
Because that's what destiny wanted
To defend his family
That's why Chalino fought




Chalino fled to the USA after his brother Armando had been involved in another shoot out and killed a local, and became just another undocumented worker, picking in the fields of California. Chalino had had enough of the bucolic living and moved into LA, the Inglewood neighbourhood trying small jobs but eventually becoming a Coyote, running illegals across the border. 

He soon found himself in prison in Tijuana serving eight months, after his brother Armando had been murdered, which prompted Chalino to write " Recordando a Armando Sanchez".
It was here in La Mesa prison that he began to develop his talent for writing narco-corridos. With his cousin Ismael on the guitar he wrote songs for prisoners for a small fee, his brother assures that all his corridor's were written in the bathroom, of all places. 

He realized that with small embellishments to their stories about how they overcame poor upbringing to become powerful sicario's with the power of life and death over their enemies, that the hard men of the narco world and their penchant for self aggrandizement, that he was onto a winner. He wrote one corrido entitled "Rigoberto Campos", who was actually a cousin of Manuel El Cochiloco Salcido, from the Guadalajara cartel:

They say he had been in prison
For being a drug dealer
And months after he left
They found him covered in blood
His arms had been chopped
By order of an opponent

Other narco traffickers were also dedicated corrido's by Chalino such as Ines Calderon and Javier Torres Felix, El JT, while modern day corrido's are written in a style to try to intimidate rivals, including gory details of dismemberment's and decapitations.

On his release from prison in Tijuana he returned to Califas, where the word had reached the streets that Chalino would write you a corrido in return for goods or money. His sense of style was from the border and mimicked that of the narco’s he wrote corrido’s for. Stetson, shirt, jeans, large belt buckle, cowboy boots and the trademark pistol in la cintura. He had been accepting jewellery for payment for corridos, so added gold chains and fancy modified pistols to his wardrobe.

He began selling his corridos on cassette tapes from swap meets and out of the trunk of his car, as he was virtually unknown at this time as a singer, but had been recording tracks with Los Amables del Norte.

This had appealed to many who respected the narco’s back in Sinaloa, and Cholo’s who didn’t even speak Spanish began to follow his music and dress like him. He was a trend visionary. His popularity began to rise and he was soon singing in nightclubs to packed audiences of young Hispanic males and their swooning girlfriends. He was receiving fifteen thousand dollars per performance.

His popularity would become his downfall. The machismo culture of the Hispanic males meant trouble for Chalino and a lot of narco-corrido singers after him. The girlfriend or wife who swooned over Chalino for his rugged good looks, charismatic personality and stage presence, and not particularly his voice, made their boyfriends or husbands jealous, and with hair trigger tempers something was bound to happen sooner or later.



Happen it did at a gig in Coachella, Califas. Los Arcos night club was the venue. All was going well until Eduardo Gallegos an unemployed mechanic, out of his noggin on smack and booze, stepped up to the stage to request a song and opened fire at Chalino with a .25 pistol. He hit Chalino in the side, which prompted Chalino to draw his own 10mm pistol from his belt and the two began a shootout in the packed nightclub, with Chalino chasing Gallegos through the crowd. Seven people were shot in the exchange of gunfire, including a local man named Rene Carranza who bled to death on the way to the hospital.

Gallegos was wrestled to the floor by a bystander and shot in the mouth with his own pistol. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison! This widely reported event made Chalino famous south as well as north of the border. This was the stuff of his own corrido's, and made Chalino many, many, new fans.

He became a folk hero after this event back home in Sinaloa, and the offers came flooding in for him to appear in Culiacan as well as other Sinaloense towns. He accepted an offer on May 16th 1992, he returned to Sinaloa and Culiacan, on the promise of twenty thousand dollars for an appearance at Salon Buganvilias in La Presita near Culiacan.

After playing the full capacity gig which had gone down extremely well with the Sinaloense crowd, Chalino received a written death threat, passed by hand to him. Chalino left the venue. In tow were some of his immediate family, Espiridion and Francisco, his brothers, and cousin Carmelo Felix, with some adoring female fans.

Chalino’s vehicle was soon pulled over by several Chevrolet suburban Police cruisers, the Police elements left their vehicles and provided State Police identification. Chalino was told that he was required by “my commander”.

One could speculate at this time that Chalino knew the game was up as he was led away in one of the suburban’s. I feel safe in saying that false police ID’s and cloned police vehicles are a common ruse used by cartels to “lift” or kidnap people, including the Sinaloa cartel.



Sam Quinones in his book “True Tales from Another Mexico" in the chapter entitled “The Ballad of Chalino Sanchez” wrote that Chalino had begun in 1990 to clean up his corrido’s, where previously he would take the victims side when singing about a killing, and insult the victims opponent, often calling them cowards. As he had written about a lot of Sinaloense gangsters, there was a high likelihood that at some time this would return to bite him on the backside.

The area where he was kidnapped was no doubt Sinaloa cartel territory. Anybody taking liberties on their territory would be dealt with severely and there would have been thousands of “halcones” or hawks, which are lookouts, on duty in Culiacan to report on Police activity and the arrival of anyone who looked like they may be from another cartel. Chalinos family had received information that something bad would happen to Chalino if he returned to Culiacan.

Given this the Sinaloa cartel would have been aware of Chalino’s intention to enter the city to play the gig and at the time of his arrival, his movements within the city. Chalino would not have been kidnapped without their knowledge of what was happening.

As to their motives for kidnapping him, if they did that, could have been a jealous Lieutenant whose partner had become too fond of Chalino. Chalino certainly loved Sinaloa and the narco lifestyle that he spent so much time writing songs about.

Whomever kidnapped him, killed him. Chalino’s body was found north of Culiacan dumped in a irrigation ditch with the coup de grace, two bullets in the back of the head in the brain stem, another cartel signature, given that his hands and feet were bound and a blindfold was on his head. He had been tortured and severely beaten, and was only recognizable by his family members due to a small tattoo on the heel of one foot.

If we apply occam’s razor to this situation, and consider that the most likely outcome would probably be the truth, the killers of Chalino could have been El Chapo Perez family. Chalino had killed him after El Chapo Perez and associates had raped Chalino’s sister Juana. Blood feuds in Sinaloa can go on for generations, and I have no doubt that the Perez family would have wanted revenge on Chalino, even if many years had passed. Also that they may have been affiliated with or worked for the Sinaloa cartel themselves.

If not El Chapo Perez's family, the second most likely would be someone insulted in one of his many corrido's. Her certainly knew this could end badly, but being true to his character, I believe he just didn't give a damn, and decided he would face his fate whatever or whenever the end would come, just as he faced life. In his corrido, "La Muerte de Pelavaca", he wrote " for all those who live hard, a grave is ready".




85 comments:

  1. So Adalberto Baldemar Escobar Barraza - who was a top Chapo henchmen - killed Chalino?

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    1. Envy and attention needy are strong Sinaloan traits.

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    2. Good riddance!! Anyone that glorifies these scumbags deserves to die.

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    3. Si, a mi me toco ver el anillo de oro de chalino, tenia forma de silla de caballo lo tenian como trofeo

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  2. He should've stayed in L.A that's what happens when you get greedy .

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  3. Chalo araujo killed chalino on orders of emilio quintero

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    1. Nope it was valdemar Escobar barraza, abovementioned, from pueblos unidos, chalino was supposedly involved in the death of Rene Escobar.

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    2. Yup... Same crew though valdemar was wit chalo

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    3. I heard from someone, or read somewhere, I don’t recall exactly, that in one of his live performances he made a threat to one of the Quintero’s something a long the lines of “va quedar lleno de ráfagas _____ Quintero” while mimicking firing an AK47 on stage. So statements above make sense with that story.

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    4. Valdemar was chapos lieutenant, he got arrested with el chapo in guatemala, the first of chapo's arrests. Rene escobar, Valdemar's brother was killed on his way to vallarta, a few days earlier Rene had tried to pick chalino in Pueblos unidos. Chalino went to pueblos unidos to tax one of the Meza's, Rene's friend and Rene intervened, chalino just made it out. Chalinos death came from this and a larger fued between Los Escobar and Los Mungias, Valdemar was killed in Monterey in 99, 2000 or so. Even as of fairly recently this fued continued with one of the MUNGIAS getting picked up by Manuel Torres. Mungias are from los Llanos del refugio, same as Manuel. They thought that since valdemar was dead and it was so long ago, everything was back to normal, they called manuel to let him know that they were going, asking for protection, manuel said ok, but manuel got the call from mayo that chapo had not forgotten that old beef, valdemar was chapos right hand man back in the day, so the mungia and two nephews were picked up. This happened right before the death of el ondeando. Valdemar was cousins with el lobito abelardo retamoza Escobar lieutenant for Miguel Felix Gallardo. First hand knowledge, chalinos death wasn't chalos people or emilo quintero killed him. People make up stories

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    5. 11:41
      Youre right, Valdemar was killed in Monterey in '99 and there is a corrido about his death and allusion to killing Chalino. It's sung by Los Cachorros de Juan Villareal.

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    6. 11:41AM
      Good info. There are printed reports that Valdemar was killed in Monterey by the AFO, who had contacts in that city, any info by you on that?

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    7. Valdemar got out of prison, chapo was still in jail, he aligned himself with albino quintero meraz, from the same general area, that was his downfall, albino had plaza in veracruz and In mexicali, valdemar went with them but albino had aijados de Los mungias working for him, albino gave the orders, don't touch this man, they didn't but they sent people who did, juan Villarreal wrote the corrido en cantate about this. He offered it to nacho de Los amables, but he didn't want it because he got scolded in mexicali for singing Sylveste mungia, responding to your ?

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    8. 11:41 That was Lucas Mungia that was picked up with his two nephews. My mom tells me them Munguia brothers were bad dudes. From what I remember her telling me, El Guero Palma had it in for them. Probably over Rene Escobar.

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    9. I asked about the AFO killing Valdmar because if true then it had nothing to do with Chapo's old fued.

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    10. 11:41 am
      El Mayo called los Mungia over to Culiacan because they were compadres and he betrayed them,el ondeado has nothing do with this for other than betraying them by not warning them even they were his own blood, or maybe it was because of the millions of dollars him JT and M2 owed the mungias..... As legend has it those are the reason why Tachiyo and all the Torres have gotten targeted, as Arturo Beltran’s song states... “los verdaderos culpables en tu cara se an burlado...”

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      AFO were involved and that’s because they backed los mungias til this day, research who Really introduced 6-1 Villarreal to the AFO, chencho Beltran being a brother in law to the Mungias, and who the culichis from copaco were and even who was the only person to die next to Ramon in Mazatlán and you will have a clear understanding why AFO backed them.

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    11. Escuchado que Chalino era pistola del cochiloco. Dep el viejon...

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    12. What does los quintero de capoca have to do with Chalino?

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    13. Thanks for all your info.

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    14. 11-41
      Great post man,always wondered why the Torres sons were being hit up,was German Retamoza one of this clan,he was killed in the copter with a load of coke

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      Real recognize real, they were both part of the mungia gavilla

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    16. 2:37 so does this go back to Culiacan Vs AFO? From what you’re telling me is that Mayo and the Mungias are compadres and the torres are related to them and owed them millions? The Mungia killed Escobar for the AFO? Then Chapo ordered the hit on them for killing Escobar? And so chalino was killed for having a hand in killing Escobar’s brother?

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    17. Lo unico que tiene que ver Los quintero con chalino es que las broncas de valdemar contibuyo a familias abriendose con el chapo o con Los arellanos. Valdemar y rene andaban con el chapo en la balacera de puerto Vallarta contra AFO. Despues Los Las broncas con Los mungias, gente de valdemar mato a manuel beltran "el tuturutas", Los quintero de copaco, familia zatarain, Arturo Villarreal el nalgon de chacala, chencho beltran del comedero,se jalaron con Los aretes, Los quintero y zatarain, y el nalgon, se hicieron enemigos de cartel de sinaloa y Javier torres, (Los causantes del massacre del cajoncito) la bronca que causo la muerte de chalino fue el inicio la division de estas clickas, estas familias ya tomaron lados

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    18. 11:38

      Warning to all to read thoroughly and realize that not all you read in comments or even articles are facts. Your bias is pretty obvious to those that know the truth of the bits and pieces you post. Tuturutas death was much after Valdemar caused his own demise, he was a thief. Rene was already deceased when the Vallarta shooting happened.

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    19. Does Chalino sing any Corridos for the Mungia? And do any of you have any more info on the people he sang for? El corrido "Los Lopez" he mentions Armando Lopez, el rato?

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    20. Quien andara abriendo la boca gente rata

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    21. A ver, a ver. Me quede sorprendido de tanta “informacion” dada por tal persona que dice “first hand knowledge” para saber tantas cosa es que de seguro tu papá o parientes andaban en la bola con Valdemar o groupo cercano, porque fámila no eres. Y te lo aseguro porque a nosotros si nos enseñaron a no soltar la lengua de asuntos delicados como este.

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    22. Valdemar era muy guapo era guero con ojos de color. Un hombre muy respetado poreso el chapo lo queria mucho.

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    23. Quien mató a el caimán ? De los llanos del refugio ?

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    24. 12:55 Metiche, que te valga verga.

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  4. Corridos no payasadas

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  5. La save u r protected

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  6. If you live hard you’ll die young. Vagos locos forever.

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  7. Nieves de Enero. A nice little ditty. And it’s only fitting that it’s January. - Sol Prendido

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  8. There's an excellent vid on RT news. They sent reporter to Cancun and Acapulco. What a mess. Why do these cartels extort $ from the towns people? Isn't sending dope to the US enough? Do they have no pride for their local countrymen? Local communities? a local business women from Acapulco said she hasn't seen a single tourist in over a yr.. In Cancun they shot up an 8 month old while killing the grandparents.. also numerous murders on the beaches, & police do no crime seen investigation as to not alarm tourists. If the major cartels are laundering $ at these places, Y would u commit murders, etc there? R they that stupid? Doesn't that break the old criminal code of "don't shit where ya eat"? And where do they spend their ill gotten gains when they've run every business out of town? And for the people who say these criminals came from poverty as a reason, like they are playing RobinHood is absurd. Mexico hasn't seen poverty yet. Give it a few more yrs. Keep extorting and kidnapping locals, etc. Mexico is def in the fast track to being labeled a 3rd world country. Keep singing those corridos amigos! Keep glorifying them! Surely the worst is yet to come!!

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      Exactly,shouldnt be glorifying all these rats who are killing Mexico,they have no love for their own,thats bullshit,they prey on anyone who works and is making some money.They are nearly as bad as the politicos

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  9. La tumba De Villa- Chalino Sanchez, his best corrido ever.

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  10. R.I.P Chalino Sanchez. I used to bump his music back in my glory days.

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  11. Family feuds are still a thing in Mexico, where I'm from there are a few families who just start shooting at each other on site with dozens dead on each side for a few generations LOL.

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    1. That's ignorance

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    2. Agreed it's like the old west out there, and the police will not do a thing about it.

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  12. Males you remember when El Barbas chased Genarco Garcia Luna and "his death squad", but El barbs did not murder genarco, just threatened him, Valentin Elizalde also went to show his enemigos who was their mero padre in tamaulipas! Sergio Vega "El Shaka" sang "vas y chingas a tu madre" ("La Mentadita" de Jenny Rivera) before he got killed,
    In Mexico being a singer marked for death is no big news, but that anybody needs to clone police vehicles and police uniforms and ID'S by the dozens to get chalino sanchez, when the police is on the take and part of the cartel, that's a stretch, even the governors are with the cartel the federal government supports, ordered from "above" where they know business by the billions of dollars and nobody ever gets killed.

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  13. Had been thinking about writing something on Chalino myself. Beat me to it! Great article! RIP Chalino

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    1. Hi Profe, thanks for that. I am in the process of writing an ebook about singers killed by cartels. I posted this up for testing the water as it may be. This article will form part of the first chapter.

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    2. 12:12 a book on British and American singers, musicians and other artists like movie stars, has beens and never would be's is very needed too, there was a Corey Haim and Amy Winehkuse, and Kurt Cobain, but the Mexican musicians are different, they are getting murdered just because.
      You may have material for a whole encyclopaedia, good luck.

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    3. Go for it! I believe there is still a lot to say about Chalino. After Quinones and myself not much has been added.

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  14. Chalino's true greatness continues to be the legacy he left in the U.S. Prior to Chalino, the majority of Chicanos were not in tuned with their roots. They felt ashamed and embarrassed to play music from the old country. However, Chalino brought some swagger and bravado to the disenfranchised and marginalised barrios. Chalino's music evolve in LA around the same time gangster music appeared on the scene. Drug dealing, police brutality, shootings, violence was the world Chalino was describing. Interesting, listen to Ice-T's "6 in the morning" song which is possibly the first gangster song written and Chalino counters with "Nacho Verduzco" which is describing the same type of events in L.A. in the 80s. Chalino was the voice of the tough Mexican immigrant just like N.W.A was the voice of the inner cities. It is not uncommon to be in East L.A. and seeing the homies hanging out blasting Chalino with joy and pride. I spent my Xmas vacation in central Mexico and my friend's 16 year old son ask me about Chalino. I was the first person in my town to listen to him about 25 years ago because my mother's family is from Sinaloa but not my father's family. The 16 year old favorite singer was Chalino because he was a real valiente. Go figure. I know how knowns who killed Chalino. The only question I would ask Chapo Guzman is, "Tell us sir once and for all, who killed Chalino?"

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    1. I agree with you but its sad to see that a lot of paisas to this day frowned upon Chicanos specially the homeboys

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    2. Nicely said and spot on. As a youngster we'd see him and his family and never thought anything special about it till my friends told me they loved his music. I was stuck on rap music but gave his music a chance, and learned to appreciate his genius. Chalino was a straight up gangster. As well as his brother in law Rey Luna. Thanks for the good article, BB.
      Arriba Culiacan!

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    3. Shet, Retchie Valenz and Freddie Fender was there, chelo silva and Andy Russell, El Indio Fernandez even posed for the Original OSCAR, the new modern OSCARS STILL LOOK LIKE HIM, and there was always Latin American music all over the US including Lalo Guerrero and hiS "NUNCA JAMÁS", there was jorge negrete and perk infante, trios all over the US...Chapin brought a different Mexican chunt country music gangster aplroach, but don't confuse with "answering to ice-t shirt" wtf...

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    4. No disrespect but I don't see anyone trying to imitate Freddie Fender or Ritchie Valenzuela. You need to understand the context and environment in which Chalino's music evolved to understand the man. The Sinaloanses were at the cusp of monopolizing entire smuggling and distributions routes in the US from the Colombians. LA was an important distribution point were many top narcotics people from Sinaloa did big business. On the weekends, they loved to hang out at El Parral or El Farallon were Chalino was a regular. These guys loved to show up deep with fancy cars, gold laden pistols, chicas and lots of bling. Chalino was the embodiment of that environment with a straight up , in your face, put a cap on your ass if you do me wrong attitude. The was part of the reason people started gravitating towards his music cause everyone in LA got a little thug in them.

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    5. It is of my opinion based on many years of researching the phenomenon that is Chalino that it was the Arellanos and not Sinaloa who did him in. The corrido Rigo Campos had to been considered disrespectful by Ramon since his well documented history of killing for the slightest offense. Furthermore, Ramon killed Chapo's comprade and right hand man Armando El Rayo Lopez whose brother Beto Lopez was an acquentice of Chalino through Rigo Campos. The killing of Lopez initiated the AFO vs CDS war and sides had to be taken like any other war. Initially,Chalino wrote corridos to people from Tijuana like Coquio Castro and people from Sinaloa like Javier Torres Felix. However, Chalino's corrido El Indio Sanchez states that he was targeted by assassins in Baja
      CA but he was able to evade death. Arellanos controlled the Tijuana plaza, were from Sinaloa, had their people their and could have easily had arrange his death.

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  15. Show offs tend to a track hatters and hatters soon become enemies

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  16. He was in a coma for days after the shooting on stage. Corrupt Police sparred the people Chalino was riding with. The documentary is on YouTube.

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    1. this is false, no coma, just injured. No police sparred the people Chalino was riding with.

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  17. The best ever !!Chalino was the real deal i love soulfull music makes me feel proud to be Mexican and I'm not a criminal like most his fans , thanks for awesome story ... Saludos de nor Cal y michoacan Viva Mexico!

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  18. The so called Coachella incident was much more complicated than it was reported. I too believed the Gallegos had opened fire at Chalino first but I became convinced it was the opposite, that Chalino panicked when Gallegos approached him with his gun so Chalino would use it as a prop. Gallegos got 15 to life and by 2010, when I was finishing my research for a book on the history of the narcocorrido, he was still incarcerated in northern California. For my chapter on Chalino, I spent a lot of time reading the case file on the Coachella shooting. Some 500 pages, fascinating reading.

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    1. Post where we can support and buy this book

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  19. How do these people avoid justice after killing someone. So he killed a guy for fuckin his sister, and probably more people, yet he went on to be this corridos legend? Hard to believe Mexico is so fucked up.

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  20. La Barbie killed Chalino

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  21. Father of narco corridos? Then los Tigeres de el norte are the grand fathers. Good read never the less though.

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    1. father of NC is Manuel Cuellar Valdez

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  22. I grew up in LA and Chalino's music has been banging since the 90's. I have a Chalino station that I play regularly on Pandora. ...good read Otis, I've been saying for a while that he needs to have a movie made of his life all the way up to Adan's unfortunate death and questions surrounding it.

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  23. Anybody that has read the book "la reyna del sur" will know that in that book they talk about a book with very impostant info on people and Chalinos name is in there stating that he use to be a gunman/hitman for the CDS.

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    1. I have also heard this from someone very close to the Sanchez family. He was a gun for hire.. And he left Sinaloa because he had many targets on his back not just one but many!

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    2. That's a work of fiction, no basis in reality.

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    3. Not just 2, but many? 3? Try again! Many! 4-7? HA! TRY AGAING ASSHOLES! MANY! MANY! MANY!

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  24. Seems like a big coincidence but around this time Graciela Beltran's brother was also kidnapped only they never found his body. Graciela Beltran blamed Jenni Rivera's family for her brothers disappearance. I believe Jenni's dad Pedro Rivera was involved in some way with Chalino Sanchez. All these people were regulars at the now closed El Farallon nightclub(notorious Sinaloa drug trafficker hangout). Several narco-music singers linked to this club have been murdered.

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  25. Making some sort of heroic figure out of clowns like this?Guy was a suspected hitter (murderer) and taxing people,sounds like a rat,but lets show him love,he was muy valiente

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  26. Have you heard this guy sing?Hes shit,lets be honest,its all the other crap people are making up and getting excited on

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    1. Not a fan of chalino, but I understand the pull of Rascuache Music, it heralds the new revolution of the Rascuache uncultured people with bad taste, doing their own thing their own way, and I don't blame them one bit, but it is a pity that they have all been dragged into mutual extinction, some say that is the planned part of the elite owners of the world to keep you busy adoring one golden bull or another.

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  27. El gavilancillo, los dos grandes de la sierra, good old days.

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  28. Some people can't handle fame and fortune from rags to riches and back just like those dummies in rap like tupac same thing with this guy.

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  29. chalino was gunned down by Esthercita la fea for having an affair with esther daughter...... Esther was the number 2 in organized crime in Tijuana and san diego early 70s late 90s

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    1. Who was Esthercita?

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    2. Chalino wasn't gunned down, he was killed execution style.

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  30. De lo que se entera uno y si la gente inventa muchas pero aki la mera verda

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  31. Can who ever it is that knows so much in regards to adalberto baldemar escobar and his brother renee.aka..el "torro"the last time i saw both of them together i was 8 yrs old and i remember asking renee when he was changing shirts what all those roundish marks were on his back turns out they were 8 scared up bullet wounds and since then ive never forgetn that image the last time i saw baldemar was at my brother adalberto wedding back in 1993.i would like to msg with who knows so much about him maybe were relatives the only other person i kno is his sister chepina....hit me upp

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    1. A Rene le dician el torro? Porque??

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  32. Rene had scars from a near death car accident not from bullet wounds. Adalberto Jr. did not get married in 1993 - much less was Valdemar there since that’s the year he was arrested with Joaquin on May 24th. Your facts are wrong.

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  33. Como murio Baldemar Escobar Barraza? Dicen que no lo mataron bien, que sufrio asta el ultimo? Como mataron a Chalino? Dicen que Baldemar mato a Chalino porque Chalino tubo algo que aser con la muerte de Rene Escobar, el hermano de Baldemar. Como empeso todo eso con los Mungias y los Escobar's??

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  34. I read all and its about 80% accurate but their is another person involved that order the hit and he was in L.A. and i know so because i was there when he said to take him out for disrespecting him but at the end no one won anything because they are all DEAD...

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  35. Valdemar fue, me toco ver el anillo que usaba chalino, era una silla de montar de oro con diamantes y aveces la usaba una persona u otra, la traian de trofeo (el anillo)

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