Wednesday, October 4, 2017

U.S.Government wants Chapo in Chains

by Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat

The U.S. government is really messing with El Chapo. 

Prosecutors are sticking it to him in every way possible, and using every legal maneuver at their disposal, even when it is far from necessary and borders on the ridiculous. 

I should say, from the beginning of this case, I did not much care about  the outcome.  I didn’t care about Joaquin El Chapo Guzmán, or his legal fate.  In fact, if ever there was a case that a drug trafficker's life sentence should end behind bars, when his dead cold body is carried out in a pine box, then this is that case.  That scenario would be poetic justice to many narco watchers.

But then something greater than him became relevant.  The U.S. government began at “go” treating him as though he is the second coming of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. A terrorist of the highest.   It has been an education to this reporter that rights could be denied a person,  who according to our constitution is innocent until proven guilty. The 14th amendment to the US Constitution guarantees this to every person, immigrants included, “equal protection under the law.”


Irrespective of the fact that he has been a well behaved, compliant  prisoner, with no infractions during his stay in “MCC” the federal jail in Manhattan, 10 South, he  has been stripped of every right and privilege afforded to each and every prisoner in our great nation, with the notable exception of terrorists.

Which is why terrorists are typically  moved to Guantanamo Bay.

The U.S. base on Guantanamo Bay is in a foreign territory and as such the U.S. Justice Department says that it is beyond the jurisdiction of any United States Court. Therefore, the government is not obligated to give the same legal rights and process as would apply in the American justice system.  Habeas Corpus is the big one, so they can be held for indefinitely without being charged with a crime.

"Chapo the Super Capo"

Guzmán has been denied  rights given to others, including the worse of the worst offenders in our society.  He is not even allowed phone visits, letters, from his wife, family or anyone.  Seems harsh, since phone calls and letters are monitored.  No press contact.
He is not allowed contact visits with his attorneys.  That is huge, in preparation for his defense.  Perusing evidence, and videos with his defense team is imperative one would think.

Any reasonable person understands that due to Guzmán’ history in Mexico of escape and persuasion certain precautions must be made, and it is acknowledged that a part of his escape plans were facilitated by those who visited him.   But, his treatment by the government goes far beyond and seemingly tampers with his rights.  It makes one  wonder how strong of a case the government truly has. 

This week the government dug even deeper making new assertions of why they want Guzmán’ shackled when meeting with his attorneys.  

Read further knowing this is not a joke.

It is the contention of the government that Guzmán  may have attorney visits, but that he be shackled.  The reasoning is twofold, one is that the peanut sized capo  may harm himself or his attorney.  The other reason is outlined below:
“One of the more specious claims raised in the Sept. 12 Decl. is that the BOP would need to relocate the “fire suppression systems.” Id. Presumably this relates to the government’s preposterous claim that Mr. Guzman could rip the sprinkler system piping from the ceiling during the contact counsel visit and cause a flood.”
Yup. ‘Chapo the Super Capo’ is going to leap , high and rip out the sprinkler system causing a flood in the prison whereby he can escape.

Noteworthy; it is the very same sprinkler system is installed in the interview booth currently used by Guzmán.

Ridiculous.


Familiar chant

As Guzmán attempted to settle into his new home in MCC 10 South, an all too familiar mantra  began coming from his corner.  The onslaught of prison condition complaints, immediately surfaced from Guzmán, his attorneys and his wife.  The complaints culminated with his declaration that he is being treated worse than any other prisoner being held in the United States “BOP.”

Guzmán is the proverbial boy who cried wolf.  Seeing his barrage of complaints this go around, gives one a feeling of tedious familiarity. His incarcerations in Mexico were famously punctuated by his prison condition complaints.  Through his spokesmen, spearheaded by his attorneys and wife, he issued grievances against his treatment; his contention was his conditions were permeated by human rights violations. Sleep deprivation, denied extra blanket in freezing temperature, portable light stations outside his cell, interrupting his sleep every hour for a bed check, the playing of loud music, were factors he blamed on his onset of hypertension, his wife gave interviews expressing her concern that her husband was on the verge of death because of his prison conditions.

Guzmán, became the first ever to successfully escape the maximum security prison Altiplano No.1. 

As far as Mexican prisons go, Altiplano is comparatively a nice place to be incarcerated.  You can learn more about the prison by using this link. Link here 

Subsequent to his recapture he was transferred to Juarez prison No,9 where his attorneys and wife began yet another a campaign for his return to Altiplano.  Among the complaints included were his loss of hair, they say due to stress and the onset of hypertension.  He filed with the court for permission to return to Altiplano.  He was granted an order by the court to return to the prison he initially pleaded to be removed from. 

As fate was realized, Guzmán never returned to Altiplano, but explains his reaction when awoken in his Juárez prison cell for his extradition to the U.S. “Altiplano? He asked.  “No. Estados Unidos” he was told.  That was in January, 2017.

Within two weeks a familiar monotony raised its head, when Guzmán began filing complaints with the court, along with his wife and attorneys becoming his mouthpiece in condemning the prison conditions he found himself subjected to. 

Deju. 

I know I shook my head, groaning and wondering why he bothers.  Certainly conditions  in the United States must be a huge step  up from Mexico, and his human rights should survive unhampered with as the world watches the prosecution  of the World’s Most Powerful Drug trafficker.

Then I learned about “SAMS” ["Special Administrative Measures"] and CMU’s used in the federal prison system.  A highly controversial issue among many civil and human rights groups.  The special conditions under which Guzmán is incarcerated falls under SAMS.
“pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 501.3, which became effective on May 17, 1996, the Attorney General may authorize the Director of the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) to implement "special administrative measures" upon written notification to BOP "that there is a substantial risk that a prisoner's communications or contacts with persons could result in death or serious bodily injury to persons, or substantial damage to property that would entail the risk of death or serious bodily injury to persons." The regulation provides that such notification to BOP may be provided by the Attorney General, "or, at the Attorney General's direction by the head of a federal law enforcement agency, or the head of a member agency of the United States intelligence community." These special administrative measures ordinarily may be imposed "may include housing the inmate in administrative detention and/or limiting certain privileges, including, but not limited to, correspondence, visiting, interviews with representatives of the news media, and use of the telephone, as is reasonably necessary to protect persons against the risk of acts of violence or terrorism."
Only 49 persons are currently housed under SAMS.  Mostly terrorists both pre and post trial.  Guzmán  is the sole drug trafficking defendant.

Judge Brian Cogan stated, “I understand it’s unusual, but the public history of the defendant is also unusual.“  and that sums up the judges lackluster, inadequate, commentary on why Guzmán is  being subjected to SAMS.   


On Monday the attorneys who have represented Guzmán since his extradition was sent notice.  Guzmán hired a private, Eduardo Balarezo, and as of this week the previous attorneys are off the case.  However, the government wanted the outgoing attorneys to be advised that under no circumstances can they visit Guzmán.

From letter sent Monday:
“As you are no longer counsel of record, you also will not be permitted to conduct legal visits with the defendant, nor are you permitted to visit him under any other provision of the Special Administrative Measures [SAMS] under which the defendant is currently held.”
Granted he probably won’t have the need to meet with his former attorneys, however that decision should be his right.  And in but 49 cases that would be his right.


If one take into account all the restrictions and denials given Guzmán, it almost seems like there is an attempt to tamper with his mental health.  Because no one can take the claims of the government seriously, that they really fear he will escape.  If security is that weak, denying isn’t the answer, strengthening is.

I have come to terms with it all, I realize that it is not  the plight of Guzmán that is tugging at my heart strings, it is our system of law and order, jurisprudence, equality and our constitution.  

Compromise in any fashion is compromise to the greatest system in the world.  We may not like Guzmán, for crimes we think he has committed, but surely we can separate that from protecting the integrity of our judicial system, the court and trial system used in our nation to administer law.  It must be protected, and strongly defended, no matter who is at the center of the issue.
I have seen the list of evidence against Guzmán, and it is a strongest I have ever seen.  Tape recordings, documents, ledgers, video, endless list of cooperatives.  Why isn’t that enough for the government?  Why tamper with defendants’ rights, which may be grounds for appeal?  It makes no sense.  It comes across silly and pathetic.  And may backfire.

In Mexico media some are saying the attorneys are satisfied with Judge Mann’s recommendation to have Guzmán shackled.  Borderland Beat  reached out to lead attorney Eduardo Balarezo  to deny or confirm, he says “We’re just trying to get contact visits. I’m going to object to the shackles.”

On September 15 Chapo’s  attorney letter states:

It states that the government’s position is there is no way to accommodate contact atty visits. 

From letter:

One of the more specious claims raised in the Sept. 12 Decl. is that the BOP would need to relocate the “fire suppression systems.” Id. Presumably this relates to the government’s preposterous claim that Mr. Guzman could rip the sprinkler system piping from the ceiling during the contact counsel visit and cause a flood. As noted in the Schneider Declaration, the thick metal pipes in question run along the ceiling some 6 ½ to 7 feet off the ground. (Schneider Declaration at ¶8.) And as Your Honor’s clerk pointed out during the visit, that same sprinkler system is currently accessible to Mr. Guzman in his interview booth. (Id.)

We are not in a position to provide evidentiary estimates regarding the cost of renovations.

However, we note that the government has not provided the Court any documentation in support of its exorbitant estimate: no request for proposal; no breakdown of costs; nor contractor’s estimate.

The one perhaps justifiable expense, replacing the outside door to the visiting booth with a secure door, hardly seems like a costly or time-consuming renovation. The MCC has made that renovation to the 3rd floor attorney visit area to permit non-SAMs SHU inmates to visit in the regular visit area.

Having paid for this work in the past, the BOP surely could have included this estimate in the declaration. Further, the BOP cannot justify the impermissible burden on Mr. Guzman’s Fifth Amendment right to access to the courts and his Sixth Amendment right to participate in his defense on the grounds that providing contact legal visits would be costly. See Detainees of Brooklyn House of Det. for Men v. Malcolm, 520 F.2d 392, 399 (2d Cir. 1975) ( “Inadequate resources of finances can never be an excuse for depriving detainees of their constitutional rights.”).

Among the more troubling statements in the Sept. 12 Decl. is that, only now, almost nine months after Mr. Guzman arrived in the District has BOP “begun to investigate” modifications to the existing counsel area on 10 South to accommodate contact legal visits.( See Sept. 12 Decl. at ¶7.

This is despite the fact that the SAMs themselves expressly allow for contact visits, defense counsel initially raised this issue with the Court in April, and Your Honor alerted the government in May that defendants housed in 10 South will undoubtedly, like Mr. Guzman, be involved in “very complex cases” and the issue of contact visits is, and will be, a “recurring issue.” (See Dkt. No. 95, Exhibit B, at 27.) One can only conclude that the BOP has purposefully delayed making necessary modifications in an attempt to render the issue moot. Had the BOP addressed the structural inadequacies in the facility over 10 years ago, when Magistrate Judge Levy found that the noncontact attorney policy infringed upon the right to counsel and was an “exaggerated response to the government's security concerns” there would be no need to litigate the issue now. See Basciano v. Martinez, 2007 WL 2119908, at 8 (E.D.N.Y. May 25, 2007), report and recommendation adopted subnom. Basciano v. Lindsay, 530 F. Supp. 2d 435 (E.D.N.Y. 2008).

Judge Mann’s order of September 27th :

REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS as to Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Loera re [64] defendant's request for attorney contact visits. The Court respectfully recommends that the government be ordered to allow defendant to hold contact visits with his attorneys as soon as reasonably practicable, subject to reasonable security measures, including, at the option of the BOP, shackling defendant. Objections to R/R due by 10/11/2017. Ordered by Chief Mag. Judge Roanne L. Mann on 9/27/2017. (Proujansky, Josh)

Letter from Government to defense attorney regarding SAMS of 10.3.17


Letter: Reply from defense attorney to Government 

101 comments:

  1. There is not a more heinous state sponsor of terrorism in the world than my country, the United States of America.

    But if you think for a moment I'm going to shed a tear for Chapo, you'd better think again.

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    1. nor will I...what part of my declaration that chapo deserves life behind bars don't you understand? which is CLEAR in my post. yet sadly you miss the point.

      Hopefully other readers will get what I am upset about.

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    2. I do chivis and agree. I never heard of these sams.

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    3. Just like las Vegas shooting the biggest hoax since 911 create a situation to take our rights to bare arms, as for chapo it shows that our constitution was gone along time ago.there's a saying amongst people people who have been incarcerated in the states "Guilty until proven innocent" not "Innocent until proven guilty"

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    4. Wow yes we get it you hate chapo and chapo should be the only one in jail and doing life.

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    5. Chivis . I get it . You are saying that the line is being crossed and if they do it with him ......
      Kinda like search and seizure . When they don't go by the rules against the bad guys its a short jump to doing the same on regular law abiding citizens . Kinda like down south where its the norm . If he walks , I hope somebody shoots him in the head before he gets 2 steps .

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    6. 1:43 .LAS VEGAS Yea man . A Manchurian Candidate . Like in the movie The Manchurian Candidate . You know the original with Frank Sinatra . Not the new one . A lot was lost in the translation . By translation I mean the difference in what was politically correct in 1961 and now with Denzel Washington . It really lost a lot of its meaning .

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    7. I think if Chapo hadn’t tried escaped a federal penitentiary in the past, there would be less restrictions.

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    8. @2:42....friend, if you can't tell that Chivis and the other BB staff are not fans of any Narcos, you either don't read here regularly, or just are a fan. They research, translate, and inform all of us on the happenings in the Narco world. Chivis actually is defending Chapo's basic human rights. If that is not journalistic integrity, I don't know what is!!!! Fact is, all those bastards that kill for money, and or drugs, if CONVICTED, should be executed, but since extradition prohibits it, should be mandatory life sentence. No more plea deals. If you go to arrest and they resist, put em down, by any means necessary...if they go peacefully, fair trial....

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    9. Chapo like anyone else is innocent until proven guilty. He has to go to trial . if its PROVEN beyond a reasonable doubt then he can be convicted but to just say that someone is guilty based on heresay is wrong.

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    10. So Chivis will you ever branch out and start reporting on the people in the Middle the ones that are in charge of the Narcos and the criminal element. The ones that also arm and fund terrorists like ISIS, Al queda as a way to overthrow goverments or destabilize nations.

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    11. What can you expect from a silly and pathetic justice department under a silly and pathetic prezident who should be in prison himself already?
      Please note that they did the same to their criminal mafioso drug trafficking murdering partner, the Teflon Don, John Gotti
      Mophaka did not stand a chance once gold star russian law firm partner rudi giulianni got his claws on him, he was bothering some debtors that are billionaires but looove to stiff their workers and partners and their investors off the cream of their money and leave them holding the shitty end of the stick
      Is that there a pattern or what?

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    12. Yep, they use you as long as you are useful, or until they need a fall guy...Teflon John sure got sticky when he pissed the wrong bigwig off...

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    13. 9:11 pm And YOU ElGrandeRojo ,as I sat here reading this I took my hat off to you and all the other BB writers .

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    14. Lucky mophaka, my little brother used to say:
      "sticks and stones may break my bones,
      But whips and chains' what tickles me..."
      And then have his fights in grade school, at least La Chapa is getting half of it, most of us will never know the dark delights.
      Of course, Chole Soledá, all she does is the chastity belt.

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  2. While I agree with your sentiments in general, I have a hard time pitying anything done to Guzman. Additionally, my understanding of the statements regarding the water system is that they were in reference to cell modifications being demanded of the BoP so he could meet with his attorneys in his cell, not in the general visitation area (which is monitored and recorded, raising separate legal complaints).

    That said, there is also a slight loophole in the 14th Amendment clause you quoted (emphasis added); "nor shall any <> deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Since he is in a federal prison it is technically not a State which is depriving him of anything. I do agree however, it is a slippery slope to tread upon; and it sets a dangerous precedent for the treatment of other prisoners.

    KB

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    1. Perfect put!

      E42

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    2. I agree...I have no pity for Chapo or any criminal in general. However, until CONVICTED, he is entitled to the same rights under law as anyone else. Very slippery slope. Try him fairly, convict him, then Supermax him. But do it fairly and just. I believe he has them afraid of something...But, we can't compromise our entire legal system to convict him. He's already done. He is no threat to anyone except US and Mexican govs and LE's...He takes the stand, and bigwigs are gonna go down..He paid allot to many...Why can't they find his $$$?? Cuz if they do, theyll find out who he paid...So, they look,.but don't see...

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    3. 12:52PM
      Technically, the federal system IS a state, a sovereign state. The individual 50 states are not sovereign in relation to the federal level. The trick is wether the 14th is only referring to the 50 individual states which I think it is.

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    4. @6:40PM
      The Constitution is pretty consistent in differentiating between the States and the federal government. The 10th Amendment makes it clear why they made the distinction in the document. On the world stage, and even at the time of our country's inception, State referred to another country.

      The founders used that world specifically for that reason, to denote that even though we were going to be under one federal system each State (and thus their capitalization of the word) was still meant to be viewed as its own individual body. We've gotten away from that a LOT since the Civil War, in some cases for the good, but in more cases for the bad.

      I think the reason they did not specify the federal government in the 14th was specifically to deal with threats to the country. While they acknowledged a system of inalienable rights, the founders were also likely practical enough to realize that their system of government could only be effectively enforced on their own countrymen. Thus the federal government needed a method of dealing with external threats without State interference. Particularly since protecting the country is the primary purpose of the federal government; and the reason the original Articles of Confederation weren't good enough, the fed couldn't pay for the troops to fulfill its primary purpose.

      This is all just supposition and opinion of course; legal scholars (and politicians) have been having these arguments since we have existed.

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    5. Good stuff KB, thanks.

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    6. Speakers of the house and the senate have walls against making things clear, the walls are their nalgas obstructing they get paid to obstruct and only promoting laws to name micky mouse streets. Somebody needs to play Annie get your gun for them after all they carry and the law protects them for hooting first in self defense if they just imagine to be under "attack" from a lady and her purse.

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    7. There doing this because they are the real criminals who collect money from traffickers and once the trafficker time is up lock him up or kill him while they collect from the next guy. Hope chapo keeps all his money from these scum

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  3. As human he has rights it is wat it is!

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    1. Unfortunatel, some individuals have voided such rights. Due to his admission of being the worlds drug pusher and proud if it.
      Misery and destruction is what he has brought to many countries. Along with the violence and mass killings to continue to reign supreme.
      Justice will prevail in the United States with a stiff punishment.
      However, due to the demand of drug consumption in the world. Many like him will take seat to reap the rewards on the misery and destruction of those willing to use.
      A failed war on drugs!

      E42

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    2. Under the nazis, a lot of people "voided their rights" the moment they chose to be wrongfully conceived by the wrong people in the wrong household. NO TRIAL REQUIRED.
      --the germs really pushed "the law" and chose to ram it down everybody's throats, for "their leader", the illegitimate son of a jew himself, Heil Hitler!
      --Try and wake up before it's your turn at "El Loco Duterte's styled tribunals
      shit just has to start selecting to get some for desserts

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  4. El Chapo, don't mess without Sean Penn

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    1. Hey Sean enjoy the reward $$$$$$

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  5. Chapo is going to take a plea for life beh8ng bars

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    1. Expect nothing less!
      He deserves that at minimum.

      Curious to know in the end. Was it worth it?
      To run and hide all your life from those wishing harm to you and loved ones.
      Moreover, despite the fortunes. Did he find tranquility in life to enjoy such? If so? Does such rewards compensate for ones longevity of life? Prison or death is inevitable in this line of business.
      Last; Any remorse?
      Guess ones current circumstance can best define ones outlook of life!

      E42

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    2. Eso se sacan por andar ahi de calientes.

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    3. E42 no sabes nada. Tienes hijos? Padres hermanos? Vives en alguna area pobre. As trabajado en mexico? Claro que valio la pena. Todos saben alo que le tiran. Ahora el chapo desde hace mucho desde el 93 estaba ya perdido. Y todos esos anios que estuvo afuera fue para una cosa. Para limpiarles el camino asus hijos de tanto enemigo que tenia.y lo cumplio. Y losguzmanes ahora traen la batuta. Si fuera asi ellps dirian ni madres mi apa esta encerrado y nos pasara lo mismo. Y ya vez todos andan haciendo su licha en algunos estados. Y los guzman es por que ya lo traen en la sangre. No es por necesidad. JAGL

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  6. Another fact that should be considered, and this applies to actual US citizens with drug convictions. Many persons who are US citizens have been stripped of many rights under the 14th amendment, one being voting. Also it is a responsibility of Chapo to prove he is being discriminated against for a particular reason. The 14th amendment is to protect from various discrimination not necessarily Federal prison acts. As long as a state can provide reason or as stated "rational basis" for its actions, like escaping several times, it could be considered justifiable. Federal crimes tend to strip the 14th amendment drastically for an individual. Good luck Chapo. Bear it and shut up. Mass murders will never get him a fair treatment.

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    1. 1:36 I think You must be talking about CONVICTED people. I have convictions and I vote every election . Right in the same area I resided in for 58 years . When I walk in the call me by name at the courthouse . Have noticed least one of the election officials have arraigned . One testified against me in a jury trial . They know , but I vote every time .

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    2. 6:48
      Some States allow you to vote in some stuff but at the federal level you shouldn't and if you have then they haven't noticed your conviction. It depends too if it's a federal or State conviction.

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    3. "If voting really mattered, they wouldn't let us do it."
      -Mark Twain

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    4. 3:04 nice quote, Samuel Clemens alias Mark Twain also wrote books, like "A Pen Warmed Up In Hell", for adult agitators and Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn for young readers,

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    5. Democrazy is the "mania of counting noses" - Friedrich Nietzsche

      - Prudencio

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  7. poor little thing he can't sleep at night, well the people that he had killed their kids could not sleep either. he is a bag of trash and should be treated as such.

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  8. He may flood the prison with his tears. Go ahead and cry, last time I looked Chapo took responsibility for the murder of 2,000-3,000 mexican citizens, journalists, judges, politicians and police. He is a narco terrorist who claimed to only defend himself from violent attacks. Facts indicate he led his forces into violent conflicts in TJ, CJZ, and NL. He isn't just a drug trafficker.

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    1. Now he's a victim. Lol

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    2. And they had the right to fight back. And they did. So everyone has rights

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    3. 4:05 La Chapa is not "a victim",
      the problem is the US government "in charge" chooses to sink to new lows every day...and they can't deny their nazi white supremacist sympathies, and that it could escalate and become the new normal...
      There is still the problem, the murdering torturers from Abu Ghrabi are hungering for more contracts, unpunished, unrepentant, untried, scott free, whole the rest of americans carry on with their shame on their heads in the name of some twisted patriotism,
      Real patriots serve their country,
      not the men behind hijacked government positions.

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  9. Chivis you make a great point of our legal system going to crap regardless if it be Guzman or anybody else

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  10. It looks to me that they want his billions and won't stop until they get them.

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    1. They can't find any of his money...If they can find it, then they can find out who he paid...And, you know that can't happen.

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  11. Well researched interesting article. But don't count on the keyboard narcos to understand your point.

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  12. Thank you 1:45 yes, my point is nothing to do with chapo, it could be anyone..

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    1. Exactly...as you said, their case is a slam dunk.....why jeapordize it at all? He has to have a big card to play. Someone high up here is scared of what Shorty has to say. I'm amazed he is still alive.

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  13. The denial of those rights are preposterous, and present a danger to not only the US Gov's case, but for the rights of others going forward. Conditions are bad enough under SAMs/SHU... almost as to encourage suicide.

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    1. Well, that WOULD result in us paying less for his long term incarceration...

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    2. 6:37 pay less? Not if private prisons contractors get their way, corporate corrections of america know the more they demonize La Chapa the more money they can spend in watching him for a US government or that is grossly unqualified to do the job properly...
      I am sure they have lined up plumbing contractors to do the billion dollar project of remodeling the sprinkler system, and since he is such a nice panty liner, I mean Party liner, maybe Joe the plumber got hisself a job...

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    3. @11:36PM, I was talking about it being cheaper if he committed suicide because of all of their "abuse"...

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    4. The russians have Balls, they will quickly waste a 2 cents bullet to get rid of their criminals, like Chikatil.
      Real men do not pussyfoot it to appear "human", Christian or compassionate whatevers, and like hoes name their price ASAP Not like high priced fancy hoes that go for free and steal all your wordly possessions and the lunch bag.

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  14. In my State (CA), one may request the following: 1.) relocation of place of incarceration 2.) change of venue 3.) change of judge . Also, if he complains of heart attack, does he get treated at infirmary, or is it possible for transportation to hospital? What happens if the lack of rights create a mental illness... what is procedure?
    Dr. A

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    1. SAMs applies to BOP federal system no state

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    2. States have virtually the same as SAMs. I asked 2 questions.

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    3. No SAMs is only for federal system.
      it was initiated in 2001 after 911. it was establish to apply to terrorist suspects and only the atty gen could request SAMs with a court order.

      but over the years it has been diluted and abused. it is a slippery slope

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  15. Thank you Chivis, great article.

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  16. Excellent, informative read chivis. You are a brave lady subjecting yourself to blog dummies. You will catch hell from those who are proponents of extrajudicial methods in place of bothering with blind justice.

    They should move to Mexico as that is exactly how the judicial system works in mexico.

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    1. 5:12 No hell for chivis, she going straight to Heaven wearing her Shaq O'Neil's tennis shoes.

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  17. Gonna be real awkward when chapo sees the flores twins in court.

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  18. Chapo has someone in the US gov scared. No one in their right mind can think he can beat this rap. He knows it. The US is afraid of what is gonna come out in trial. I'll be surprised if he is still alive come trial time. Of course it'll be death by natural causes or suicide. With the evidence they have, this case is a slam dunk. Why jeapordize an easy conviction over petty security concerns???? Because he has a story to tell. A story that the DEA, BP, FBI etc don't want told. He had allot of help moving all that dope here, and the Flores bros, were only part of it. Chapo is not dumb. He has dirt on a bunch of people all over the world. It surprises me he's still alive. Great read Chivis!!!

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    1. You are correct which is why it makes so little sense.

      Otis is working on the DEA story. and BTW whoever sent it in to me thank you. Otis has it covered.

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    2. U are correct as to involvement!
      Moreover, the green light to have operated the way he did. No such operations can be be successful without political involvement.
      I recall stories from certain individuals of going to major airports for shipments like a walk into a corner store.
      The elaborate structure and those on his payroll.
      Rather, payments to proceed uninterrupted.
      There is definitely a story to tell. Unfortunately, a story many want to keep hidden.

      E42

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    3. Can't wait for that...thanks for all your hard work, and putting up with all of us knuckeheads...you guys rock!!!

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    4. Chapo has NOBODY scared.

      Don't buy into that nonsense.

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    5. @7:37 you got to be the most ingnorant person here to not think he doesn't have anybody scared he was a big trafficker that worked with plenty of authorities.on both sides of the border. You must not know what's really going on

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    6. @7:37 I hope you're right. Those corrupt american authorities.

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    7. 11:52

      He has nobody scared, at least in the U.S., regardless of who he worked with. You must not know how it works.

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  19. watch out the keyboard warriors are out in full effect agaisnt chapo lol. still mad at life that there nobodys and nobody will ever no there existence LMFAO

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  20. I agree with 6:04. Chapo has been in the business for decades. It's incredibly hard to believe that he didn't have someone in the U.S. government on his payroll during all those years. After all, he did meet with the DEA in 98. According to them, no deal was made with him, but when stories and facts come to light about DEA agents partying with known cartel members and receiving "gifts", receiving intel from one group of traffickers about another, former agents speaking on the murder of Camarena and how the CIA was involved, active cartel members receiving protection while continuing to work, etc., it's hard to believe that their intentions are to just win the "War on drugs". The DEA and more than likely other government agencies have dirty laundry that they don't want to be shown.

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    1. Yes sir..the last thing our gov needs is more dirty laundry out there. Unfortunately, they aren't as good at covering there asses anymore. The US arrogance will be our undoing.

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    2. He did have US authorities under his payroll. Will he mention this at trial well see.

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    3. Not to mention how many big bankers, and companies that laundered, and brought back all of the cash. Those guys are the shotcallers...they're the ones pressuring the Feds to keep him totally isolated. Especially from his lawyers.

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    4. 4:35 "all the cash" was not brought back, about 90% got laundered in US and other foreign banks in the US, where it involves mostly "eletronic tranzas", these days I am suspecting a lot of russians have been partners since the fall of the USSR that also left free all the russian mafiosos from the russian Archipelago Gulags that have become the International Red Mafiya, they had a lot of assets in Cuba and mexico, and in the US, Semion Mogilevich must be real happy.

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    5. I'd never considered the Russian thing, but very plausible..this is definitely a global case!

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  21. They should not be allowed to pick an choose who Sams applies to or any form of sams the detainee should fall under a certain category..otherwise they completely strip your rights away. Very interesting artical..

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  22. Well I'll eat these steak tacos with a dos xx wonder what chapo had for dinner i know those that died because of chapo aren't eating a damn thing ..

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  23. The US legal system has always been unfair. From the police through the whole legal system. Examples white vs. any other reace, rich vs. poor. However minorities in the country have always been the subject of mistreatment. Chapo despite his wealth is a minority and faces what all minorities do. My advice is just keep your nose clean and stay out of trouble. He is just one of many that will experience various treatment. Chivis you have a point but look at our nation protesting from every corner on the inequality of this country.

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    1. 11:33 it could be one protester or none, never mind the quantity of the protesters, but check the reasons to protest, you could become the first to protest something worth your while someday.

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  24. Sure chapo should be punished but what of all the selfish Americans buying up all this dope, the American people are pigs when it comes to drugs, but to single out and harrass a individual is just sickening, I was incarcerated for 16 yrs and prisons employ the most idiotic sadistic people to roam this land

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    1. What did you sit for?
      Was it worth it?
      Did you seriously believe you would not be caught, or did you just not care?

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    2. Sure blame americans for the culture of crime your culture loves so much, or did you forget about the old days when citizens of mexican towns would drive the law men out when they came to destroy your crops... ? Give me a break, and dont act like theres not a drug use problem in your country... the lies and excusses i see here would be laughable if they didnt lead to such tragic consequences.

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    3. Mexico has a huge drug problem. That's where most of the violence stems from. It's all about retail sales. The real heavyweights aren't fighting for that. The real money is exporting. Americans, and Europeans pay huge money for drugs. Mexico is a land of tweaks, and junkies now.

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    4. 4:10 your ignorance IS laughable.
      My dear grasshopper, google the Start of drug trafficking in LatinAmerica and stop having your dry poñetas and sick wet dreams.

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  25. Heres another article CHIVIS: https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/crime/el-chapo-meet-religious-person-jail-article-1.3541922#ampshare=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/el-chapo-meet-religious-person-jail-article-1.3541922

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  26. Well he is not an immigrant, either illegal or legally. He is not a citizen either. So the argument that all immigrants and citizens have rights does not fit. May have to rethink that side of the argument or reword it another way.

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    1. there is no argument and you should research before you comment. legal or not immigrants and non citizens have the same jurisprudence as a citizens. I think the article says as much

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    2. He endured the same conditions at the beginning in Mexico jails and worked his way up, he has valuable information to the US government, it's just a matter of time before he starts cooperating and eventually earning rewards, he knows he is going away for good but both parties want to make the best out the deal, they want money and names but he wants better treatment and maybe secure 25-30, despite the harm they do in Mexico they are not viewed as such by the US government when comes to deals!!

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    3. @10:30 he does have valuable info that's why they don't want to reward him untill he gives info but he can't do that because his family is still in the game. So they will make him suffer

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  27. let him rot... He showed no mercy to his victims.

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  28. congratulations to chivis and bb for this gutsy, outstanding article. Thank you. It appears that some can't get beyond the name Chapo, when in reality it isn't about him. It took a couple of times to read every morsel, but worth it, I learned much that I would not have known of if I hadn't read it in completion.

    I am wondering if the apparent overuse, or improper usage of sams will be a key factor in appeals. it could go all the way to the supreme court. I read that the Human Rights Commission has already been brought in to the case. I also read that many nations have changed their position on U.S. extraditions because of sams. It would seem a more practical move IF the government felt a threat is to transfer such inmates, such as terrorists to gitmo. sams have proven to be a slippery slope.

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    1. That's exactly why it makes no sense to put an easy conviction at risk of an appeal overturning it. Or a mistrial, that will just prolong, and cost even more..SMH...Some big cat is sweating like he's in a Marathon in Iraq, and is spending allot of $$$, and pulling strings to try and keep Senor Guzman from telling his story.

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  29. The reason for the extreme caution taken by the guards and jail administration is because this defendant is known for retaliation against prison or jail workers.
    In the USA it is not as easy to manipulate guards because the system knows the history of this individual.
    Everyone can agree this man has limitless connections and powerful resources at his disposal. even from an isolated jail cell.

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    1. as the article state those precautions are understandable but that has nothing to do with him meeting privately with his attorney.

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  30. -Desde Tierra Caliente-

    Sr. Chivas saludos. ¿No es posible que los gringos quieran enviar un mensaje a otros capos? Es cierto que incluso los animales peligrosos no son castigados. Esto no lo entiendo.

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    1. Perhaps, but the fact the allow so many hard core criminals to make deals in exchange for light sentences, goes against that theory. I agree it is very difficult to understand why.

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  31. I totally agree with you Chivis, although Chaqo is the scum of the earth and I would have no problem seeing him hang, if I was ever to be charged with a crime I would like to have my rights protected because I'm in theory innocent till they prove in court that I'm guilty of the crimes in which they have charged me. People need to put aside the person being charged and look at the situation purely from a personal point of view as I stated above would you like it if you've been charged with a crime having your rights taken away from you by a vindictive prosecutor or the state. No matter what we may think of a criminal once the state has captured them they under the law are granted certain rights and protections and if we start picking and choosing who should and should not be grated those protections where will it end.

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