Friday, September 22, 2017

Tala, Jalisco: Land of CJNG Training Camps; 3 More Found

Translated by Yaqui from: Excelsior

3 More CJNG Training Camps Located in the Municipality of Tala, Jalisco
By: Adriana Luna, Sept 22, 2017
Backround read: Otis's BB Post from Proceso, July 28, 2017

19 persons were arrested by the FGJ and one man died in a shooting at another training camp of the CJNG (Cartel Nuevo Generacion Jalisco). There is an investigation being opened into whether any of the detainees had been recruited against their will, through social media, especially through Facebook. 

At least 400 intelligence agents from the Attorney General of Jalisco (FGJ) and members of four Sedena Reaction Forces located three more camps in the municipality of Tala, in which the Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG) cartel trains its future gunmen, so the FGE added five camps found this  week.

The special operation began Thursday morning in five municipalities of the Five Valleys Region, (Tala, Ameca, Teuchitlán, Magdalena and Tequila), which resulted in 19 people arrested, one of them of Honduran origin, and one dead.



CJNG Cartel members posing for photos for FB Recruitment
"It was a very strong blow to this criminal group ... if there is any kind of reaction we will be acting with the same force, and I also confirm that this effort involves the actions of the authorities, not only the municipality of Tala, but the entire Five Valley Regions."

"There are, so far at least 19 people arrested, another one was killed during the confrontation that occurred when the second of the three camps was discovered," said Jalisco's Attorney General Eduardo Almaguer Ramírez.

The strategy of the security forces was to attack simultaneously different points of the region by land and by air.

Makeshift Training Camp "Facilities"
In the area of Navajas one of the camps was found, an area of very ​​difficult access, the site was camouflaged with black plastic and branches and was located three hours drive along winding roads.

The detainees were, at the close of this edition, at the premises of the Attorney General's Office in Jalisco, where they were being interrogated and a further investigation opened.

Of the 19 detainees, 16 were found in one camp.

The authorities are trying to find out whether or not among the detainees are three men who had been reported missing. Just last week three people of six were located who had been reported as missing in the area.

The state prosecutor said that with the evidence gathered in these new camps there is "clear and reliable evidence that this recruitment process was done through social networks, ie, inviting them to participate in the  "most important of the armed security groups" as the recruiters phrased it.

However, authorities have not yet determined whether the detainees "are victims or not, as it is believed that one of them (rescued days ago) returned to this camp to continue training," said the state official.

Human remains have been found in one of the camps in Tala in recent days; Almaguer said that the forensic data showed that the remains are approximately equivalent to three people. DNA tests are currently being performed to prove their identities.

Burning Pit with Human Remains  located at a previous CJNG Training Camp
thought to be persons that were either recruited of kidnapped but resistant to the challenge
Members of the criminal group are accused of organized crime, disappearance of persons, kidnapping, homicide and theft of fuel through clandestine outposts. The FGJ warned that the priority interest of the CJNG is to dominate the Five Valley Regions, which represents a direct corridor towards the north coast of Jalisco.

"Inquiries and investigations include municipal authorities, crimes could range from omission to complicity ... I can tell you that of the 16 individuals, ten have already confirmed their participation in illicit activities.", stated the Attorney General of the Sate of Jalisco, Eduardo Almaguer Ramirez.

Yesterday, a number of motorcycles and vehicles were secured, in addition to the camps, most of them with plates from Jalisco, and one with plates from the State of Mexico.

77 comments:

  1. Line them up on a wall or not and execute the scum sewage

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    1. 6:30 that is really harsh and you don't really sound much better than they.

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    2. Agree 100% 6:30. It's people in the gov that think like 7:36 that Mexico is in the situation it's in.

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    3. 12:51 i am sure you look 100% like a narco too,
      and i hope they get your ass soon.

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    4. I think those are thei initiation sheets to become a member

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  2. The arsenal picture posted is from the capture of Guzman in Los Mochis and not from a CJNG training camp. Not trying to be an ass just saying what it is.

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    1. It clearly says "Example of" because they must have found a similar arsenal with no pic to use you ass!

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    2. What arsenal pic?

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  3. No wonder they take plazas, they are actually trained like boot camp.. 4 real

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    1. Not much training involved at all for most.
      Simply a massing of recruits who are taught the basics and sent to their deaths.
      The more skillful and professional are in a group by themselves. Where matters of interests and security are involved.
      This exemplary training facilities are taught elsewhere in other countries.

      E42

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    2. Exactly. I doubt their "training" is really anything more than the most basic of things..pretty much, more of a morale booster/confidence booster than something with the purpose of actually making them highly competent.. like E said. I could almost bet that this is a job which relies on on-the-job training much more than anything else. Certainly the graduates of these narco camps are capable of killing, but when the boss' lifes on the line due to the Marina coming to take him down, these dudes serve only to be a delaying force so el jefe can beat feet. Cannon fodder. The few actual pros who have been sicarios for years and/or who have served in the military in a combat MOS are quite a bit more valuable than the kids they're churning out thru these camps. Jmo

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    3. 8:18 you been in that camp? How do you know it's a basic camp? Millitary Boot camp is basic too though, only special ops like navy seals or rangers get extra training.

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    4. Training consists of properly smoking meth and crack to get so stoned then innocents are brought in and they are made to kill them with tools, items, chainsaws whatever just so they can massacre anyone with the ease of ordering a Big Mac.

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    5. @2:43
      Quite sure our military boot camp program is far more rigorous and effective than those pop up training camps of such.
      Common sense indicates the effectiveness of our armed forces today in the world.

      E42

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    6. Gotta agree with E. Last I checked, Marines have to qualify out to 500 with their service rifles for example. You really think these sicarios are trained to get consistent hits on IPSC targets or similar at 500? I doubt it. Especially because even good shooters are hard pressed to make consistent hits past 400-450 with 7.62x39 AK's which seems to be the sicarios weapon of choice by and large. No doubt CJNG seems to have a force of highly skilled hitters. But 2 weeks of training don't make one highly skilled. From what I remember, the Zetas training camps were 2 weeks long, so I assume these camps last a similar length of time to avoid discovery by gov't forces.
      There's been countless times where I've seen photos of dead sicarios that had been using flat top AR's WITH NO SIGHTS AT ALL. Perhaps the soldados stole them before taking the pictures..? But I'm inclined to think they simply had a weapon shoved in their hands with little idea how to use it - which likely highly contribured to their fates.

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    7. Also, even non-SOF units still get some pretty good training if they're a combat MOS. Boot camp is certainly as basic as it gets but I guarantee it's still 100x better than some narco camp. And as said, combat MOS go thru AIT that further prepares them for combat, atleast for Army. Not sure if that applies to USMC but Marine basic training is also better than Army, Marines require higher marksmanship standards for EVERY ONE even non-infantry..hence their phrase "every Marine a rifleman first"..

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    8. Don't forget cjng and most main cartel sicarios are either ex millitary or ex police. Some of The ex millitary are special ops. No doubt marines are trained well, theyvare the first in line. Basic training is basic training and nobody really knows how tough the sicario training from cjng so i wouldn't speculatw

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    9. The mexican version of the Leathernecks is "los tragabalas", a more appropriate name, but their main strength is aerial bombings, even saddam hussein clamored for them to get off their planes and come and fight face to face, which of course wasn't about to happen, no even breaks no mo, after all saddam failed to exterminate the Ayatollahs of iran and getting exterminated in the process...
      There is no honor in war anymore, just efficiency, hitler would be very proud.

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  4. Wack ass bb trying to post pictures that are not from cjng! Fuck chivis lmao!!!

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    1. You need a remedial class in reading if you are going to make comments. I did not post this article and had nothing to do with it. That said, we ALL know that foto was from the Mochis hideout of Chapo. But in the caption, that is those little words under the photo that sometimes is an indicator of what the photo is about. Indicator means, provides special information about something in particular. In this photo the INDICATOR is that it states " Example of Arsenal at a CJNG Training Camp" not that IT IS, but that it is an example.

      Do you now understand how stupid your comments always are? Or just ignorant? Why don't you go far away is we are wack ass? See that is an INDICATOR that you are a huge liar as well.

      and lastly, if that photo, which is explained, has indicators is misconstrued [misunderstood]by you and that makes you laugh your ass off, you willito live a boring life.

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    2. Hey Chema
      Quit being rude to Chivis !
      It was my mistake and that's it : A MISTAKE , geeeez, we are human ya know........
      Fortunately, at least I used the word EXAMPLE in the CAPTION
      So, it's down now, no arsenal example.

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    3. Fuck you chema you sound like a damn hater a hater that thinks that got info on shit on got nothing

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    4. Hey Chema, why don't you keep wondering what bathroom to use you transgender dumbass...or just stick to other sites with stupid ass comments....thanks

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    5. you did nothing wrong. I would put it back up because taking it down is what he probably wants and it was clear to most everyone. It's ok Yaqui after what I went thru yesterday it felt good getting back into fighting shape so early in the AM :)

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    6. Don't disrespect Chivis.

      9:09, why pull trans people into this? Most of the trans people I know are very nice because they've had to fight for human decency and respect most of their lives. So even if Chema is trans, don't go the cheap way and pull that card out.

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    7. Totally uncalled for Chema.
      A respectable tone and approach would have best sufficed.
      Chivis is definitely a true warrior for journalism.
      Her research and in depth knowledge of cartels is noteworthy.
      Peace.

      E42

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    8. Chema read the whole fucking thing and eat fat one Lmao ... Dumb ass read right before commenting ... Pobre pendejo

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    9. aqui nomas disfrutando la engorda,
      chema tamales, te sobraron gordas otra vez,
      te vas a poner pior de timbona...
      we LOOOVE CHIVIS AND LA YAQUI, and we have readers, unlike your other favorite places,

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    10. No disrespect, but Chema sounds like he's about 12 years old. Take it easy on him

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    11. 11:01 I am 12 years.old, and I don't sound like a pedorro.

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    1. Prolly was el guano and his goons edging out menchos peeps out of Jalisco.

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    2. @6:40 lmao sounds about right , el guano es muy malo

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    3. El gusano no puede ni con los Beltranes que siguen destrosando su rancho, mucho menos with cjng... Lol

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    4. Los beltean didnt do shit until chapo was locked up

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  6. The news sure is flooded with CJNG these days..

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  7. The article states “Members of the criminal group are accused of organized crime, disappearance of persons...“

    Anybody KNOW what the legal definition is of “disappearance of persons“???

    Just curious. Thanx.

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    1. Kidnapping without discovery of person or body

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  8. Make sense the mantas in Nayarit all these towns are close to Nayarit border . They're training sicarios to sent them to Nayarit and to stop the rivals if they're planning to attack GDL .

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    1. If CDS with Mayo Chapo Nacho coronel and Azul couldnt take the plaza of Nayarit from BLO what makes people think CJNG will. Chapo isidro and h2 son still have their structure in place , its like sending people to Nuevo Leon and Nuevo Laredo? Just sending them to their graves

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    2. Most of h2 people switched over to menchos crew, they are no longer with BLO
      -💯

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    3. @8:58 most of the guys who held it down for BLO at those times are gone, i also read that the governor resigned as soon as his nephew got clipped by cjng

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    4. 10:48 the old governor of nayarit who is waiting extradition sold the plaza to cjng and smoked H2

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    5. I repeat Hs are no longer blo it might be safe to say blo is loosing there nayarit territory. Isidro is independent blo has probably lost the most territory since the war started besides CT but I do got to say blo still has loyalist till the end

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    6. Yea cjng killed the ex governor son, they r cleaning up the plaza from BLO. Maybe blo should line up with the chapitos to counter attack mencho.
      -💯

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    7. @10:48 most of h2 people switched ? Who told you this ? Don't believe everything you read on the internet Chapo Isidro is already on top of things and in case you guys don't know he has been cleaning the plaza just how he said on that manta that all those who betrayed h2 would be killed,ex governor Sandoval is running for his life and so far has gotten away but his nephew didn't get as lucky, los Mazatlecos eliminating the traitors who flipped on H2 on orders of Chapo Isidro , CJNG is trying to take advantage of situation but with Chapo Isidro around they don't stand a chance

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    8. El azul, mayo, chapo, nacho were not as crazy as Mencho, mencho goes to a city and kills the local cartel and gives them an ultimatum. Usually half of the locals would rather work with cjng then get killed, it even happened in la paz with cds and those loyal to El Mayo switched to work with Mencho. Happened in veracruz, Tijuana, yucatan peninsula and Chiapas/Guatemala border that was cds but now controlled by cjng. With no government intervention cjng would destroy cds hands down, cds has more and better sicarios than cds and it's been proven many times. Cds has government back up doe to the fact that they are best friends with DEA and are registered informants giving them INFORMATION about their compitition including their own. Real sp!t

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    9. @10:17 "goes to a local city and kills the local cartel and gives them an ultimatum " What local cartel did they kill ? Come on kid you don't know what your talking about not one cartel responded to the ultimatum because they all took it as a joke no one took it seriously . CJNG worked for CDS as an armed wing of Sicarios they will never go toe to toe with CDS ....the example is in Colima CDS has been stepping all over CJNG for a while now wheres the almighty Mencho at nowhere to be seen because he knows he's out of his league .CJNG is like CT they rose quickly and fell just as fast , in Jalisco factions are already flipping on Mencho

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    10. i would not believe the DEA worked with the CDS, but sheriff joe arpaio used to be a regional boss in arizona before becoming "sheriff", i suspect him of being a selective sponsor of drug trafficking for whites only while appearing to be the implacable oersecutor of mexican cartels, even if they only looked mexican, there are turncoats all over the place, and mysteriously they get drafted from the least imagined places, please somebody check?

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    11. @10:17 sounds like Mencho operates the same way LaZca once did...

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    12. 11:25 dude that guy just gave you examples of some if the places cjng took over and you still act like they are not efficient?.. Ct never rose that high, it was la familia Michoacan that TRIED to do what cjng are doing now but president Calderon dismantled that cartel before it made it that big.

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    13. @1:27 intresting.there for sure is a white trafficking group and they probably did put arpaio in place.

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    14. 7:57 arpaio making everyody fool since 1982, in arizona, nice run, he got fired withis nose clean and his calzones cagados, like a "lawman".

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  9. A relative of mine was kidnapped and held against his will for a little over 2 years. He managed to escape by sheer luck. And even then he hardly ever mentions what all happened unless he’s drinking. I can honestly say that not all those at these camps are guilty. Many are forced to be there as slaves. Or they get killed off. It’s easy to assume you will be rescued if the authorities come along. But many times that’s just not the way it goes down. Because of the actions of evil people many of us are forced to fight evil with evil. - Sol Prendido

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    1. I'm sorry about your relative, and for once, I agree with you on the comment you posted.

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    2. So..would you be able to elaborate on what all he said happened.. (?).if you've gotten the chance to be there when he opened up about it ? If not, no worries.

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    3. Something's are best unsaid!
      Regards Sol Prendido

      E43

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    4. Most do it for easy money and think they will actually get lots of it.

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    5. Amen some times you got to fight fire with water.we need to stand up to all the cartels

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    6. We adapt and do what's necessary to overcome those circumstances that confronts one.Those willing and not meek survive!
      Unfortunately, such a task takes a burden on ones soul. A constant reminiscence of ones humanity over those darkest hours . An issue fought day and night.
      Can only hope for a good nights sleep.

      E42

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    7. This guy I know got kidnapped for a ransom, he called crying for help, his wife ran around crying for help, people helped, and hgot released, guess what, he never said thank you to anyody, he has not voluteered or offered to pay, he had also stolen some money from relatives, and I had predicted this was going to happen, when people decided not to help him out anymore, really, if people would stop paying ransoms, no matter what, maybe kidnappings would stop, but the federal police is not going to stop doing their professional jobs that easy, they may still be paying genarco garcia luna, for all I know, maybe wait for a finger or two before paying ransom?

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  10. I have been on this site for many years...rarely do i comment. What is upsetting is people posting stupid comments(800pm). I could understand if this was a paid subscription site...but its not. So stop being so critical and quit acting like weenies! yes i said it, weenies. Finally..Hi Chivis :)

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    1. No!!!!! Not the Weenies!!! :)

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    2. Unfortunately, there are some who believe otherwise. Some take a religious perspective, not to sin. While others simply do not comprehend that comments and opinions from viewers are
      just that . And nothing more!

      E42

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    3. 9:08 judas comments had consequences,
      all comments have consequences, specially corrupt propaganda comments, watch your step E42, the causes you sponsor do not reflect your ability to comment, it is like many able conservative debaters, it is a pity that they use their oral skils to come and spread the browny on their noses all over the place.

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  11. how do you get recruited against your own will on facebook? cant you just not log in, not accept the friend request, or not open the message??

    haha jk i know that they advertise help wanted ads for companies lile securuty companies, people respond thinkig theyre becoming a guard and become sicario and thats how they fall

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    1. I know. I asked myself the same thing.

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    2. They just say that to sound innocent, nobody can force onother person to shoot a gun and kill some one. If i got recruited against my will and got a AK 47 like most sicarios do, i would shoot them and leave. Wouldn't you?... Don't believe it

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    3. Someone puts a gun to your head and gives you a choice follow directions or die. Kidnapping

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    4. in Peru people are talking, about hoe their sargents and some other recruits rape other recruits, a problem of epidemic proportions, they say that about the mexican military colleges too, a facking shame, no wonder the graduates only graduate to try and make it up to themselves for the rest of their lives, i wonder if general salvador cienpedos was also "pasado por las armas" on the firing squad some night in the dormitories, and how many times he made it up to himself?

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    5. @2:55
      Easier said than done!
      An analysis is required before such irrational actions are applied.
      Results can be life or death.

      E42

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  12. cjng and cdg are enemy?

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  13. Political stance: Applause to those who stand for freedom of speech. A protest against an attack of our civil liberties.
    A stance not of hatred towards our country. Rather awareness that our country does not embrace equality to others.
    God bless America!

    E42

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  14. I imagine that some of these camps teach quite advanced tactics, with in the discipline's of defense and attack.
    my reason for saying this at the trusted members do go off to security training schools in Russia and other liked minded states who do not ask too many questions. these people get paid large dollar sums, so who is going to say NO

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    1. some of the best trainers come to the mountain, "former" Mossad have been captured in mexico, and others are wanted for training guerrillas and narco-guerrillas to go to war with banana republics governments, you never cease being mossad, by the way, but kazakh mining magnates also recruit, and get planted all over the world by american gangsters.

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