Monday, July 17, 2017

Are FARC Rebels Training Mexican Drug Cartels?

Republished from InSight Crime 
Written by David Gagne

Two US intelligence officers have reportedly told a Mexican newspaper members of the Jalisco Cartel were trained by Colombian rebels, which if true could have significant implications on the guerrillas' potential for criminalization should a peace agreement be signed. 


The unidentified government officials reportedly told Proceso US intelligence reports indicate in recent months the FARC have trained Mexico's Jalisco Cartel - New Generation (CJNG, for its Spanish acronym) and their close ally, Los Cuinis, in remote areas of the Colombian jungle. 
"The reports we obtained in Colombia show various bosses of the Jalisco Cartel - New Generation and Los Cuinis were trained by the FARC in assault tactics [to be used against] members of the military," one official is quoted as saying. 
Another intelligence official reportedly stated the number of cartel members instructed by the FARC amounts to "a few dozen, no more than 50 individuals, perhaps." 


These reports are timely considering the CJNG recently shot down a military helicopter using a rocket-propelled grenade launcher (RPG), an attack that killed eight Mexican soldiers and police officers.

InSight Crime Analysis

If the reports of FARC rebels training Mexican cartels are true, it is unlikely these actions were sanctioned by the guerrilla group's central command, known as the Secretariat. However, it would not be unprecedented for a member of the Secretariat to establish connections with a Mexican drug cartel. Before his death in 2010, the FARC's top military commander, Victor Julio Suarez Rojas, alias "Mono Jojoy," reportedly ordered a FARC doctor to make contacts with Mexico's Tijuana Cartel in 2000. Still, examples of FARC leadership agreeing to work with Mexican cartels are rare and especially unlikely under Colombia's current political climate.
For over two years the FARC have been engaged in peace talks with the Colombian government, and the Secretariat is unlikely to approve any contacts with Mexican cartels, an action which could antagonize the state and the international community. The peace process suffered a major setback following the killing of 11 soldiers by a FARC mobile column in April, and the rebel's central command would surely face yet more criticism if it were found to have sanctioned the trianing of  Mexican drug cartels. 
This raises the possibility that low-level FARC commanders have been organizing training sessions for the CJNG without the consent of the Secretariat. This would be a concerning development, given the potential criminalization of some FARCunits in a post-conflict environment. In one possible scenario, rogue FARC elements would work directly with Mexican cartels, cutting out the middleman -- currently Colombia's neo-paramilitary groups, known as the BACRIM -- in the regional cocaine trade, thereby generating higher profits for both the guerrillas and the cartels. 

97 comments:

  1. I am waiting for the morons to say cds/cjng dont need training from the farc they have only been at war with the colombian government for 55 years

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    1. Their boss alvaro uribe velez must be sub-contracting them to the mexican government, he also helped epn steal the election for the presidency with computer hackers.

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    2. He also sent the main guy who made autodefenzas in Colombia to michoacan to do the same. Crazy... THAT'S the readon Mencho is taking Michoacan from ct and viagras and is taking other plazas with eaze

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    3. Alvaro uribe velez must be carrying on with the revenge of the Ochoas family of him from his beloved mother side, for the murder and robbery of 26 tons of cocaine amado carrillo fuentes perpetrated against Don Castor Ochoa, all the sinaloa's that worked with el señor de los cios have been degraded divided and beat at their own game for being ratas asesinas y chaqueteras by bigger murdering RATS.
      --"Israel's Latin American trail of terror" Al Jazeera
      --"Trafficking in terror" The New Yorker

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  2. Let me get my popcorn. Going to have some laughes reading comments from basement dwellers, narco "experts", and the tin foil crew lead by their leader chole. Good times.

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    1. 12:18 vas a andar bien pedorro con el popcorn

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    2. Ya soy bien pedorro.

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    3. 12:18 Sugar poo I'm touched 2 be on your mind. Let's just hope your man never finds out about us. - Sol Prendido

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  3. Los michoacanos are trained by the michoacanos Colombians ain't involved

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  4. Jalisco is no jungle. FARC survives because they hide in a dense jungle.
    Mexico is mostly high Rocky mountain terrain. No jungle.

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    1. 2:10pm
      Did you drop out of school in the 5th or 6th grade?

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    2. The farc takes it to the colombian military all the time. Stop talking out your ass. The farc would slump and dump any cartel in mexico

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    3. 2:10 Plenty of jungle in mexico . The only way FARC could successfully operate would be in hiding like in Columbia . In Columbia they can blend in with the population and hide in the jungle . It is far harder to operate on foreign soil against a country unless you have powerful support of a county

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    4. July 17, 2017 at 2:48 PM

      Any right wing paramilitary group defeated the FARC and guerillas during the 80s and 90s.
      There main advantage is the jungle..

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    5. 2:48 Ambushes and guerrilla warfare were the only thing farc did. They never met the colombian army in open field

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    6. 8:38 only to mop up and kill alvaro uribe velez allied FARC LEADERS, the FARC only murders armies members when they get planted by the culombians government to show some show to the US and get more funds to keep up the "heroic fight"
      O sea, ouro pinchi pedo, not even theatre...
      Muchas grassy ass for your tiatro.

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    7. Ever been to the Yucatan Peninsula?

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    8. 11:58 the farc controlled a large percentage of colombia. The fought the military many times. Many times I would have ask permission from farc commanders to enter certain areas. The even had patrols

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    9. Lmao reason why they never found comandante Marcos was because the jungle la candona. I have been to Brazil and Costa Rica and Panama and la candona and damn that jungle is dense!!!! Also there's even jungle neat Puerto vallarta in Jalisco so your comment is pretty lame. Plenty of Sierras also to hide in Mexico. And not all Colombia is jungle.

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    10. You are correct my friend there is plenty of jungle in Nayarit and most of the Jalisco coast as well as plenty of other places in Mexico I imagine. Michoacan has hundreds of square miles of sierras and dense bush. So training from FARC is definitely possible.

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  5. The US is upset that it is becoming common knowledge that many of those who became zetas were trained by the US. The cartels are very smart and will seek training wherever they can find it.

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    1. @2:11 Pm the USA did not give them training to become cartel members. Obviously a miscalculation by USA but it is not like USA had bad intentions they were giving the training to try and help make Mexico better not create more ruthless cartel members. USA has nothing to be ashamed of.

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    2. 3:30 you said it . Under this administration FARC better keep their heads low on our southern border or our spooks will take them off and it will look like just another cartel killing .

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    3. 3:30 cynics need not apologize, also don't worry, about it until your conscience tells you how full of shit you are.

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    4. @ 3:30 USA über alles, rite?

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    5. @3:30. Miscalculation my ass! The U.S. trains people to become KILLERS and their job is to kill directly or inderectly like when those same killers train others to do the same. Why don't the U.S. train U.S. civilian police forces to use automatic weapons and grenade launchers and shit like that? Because the countries leaders know that more than a handful can get carried away and retaliate against those same leaders and or the civilian population like it has already happened in some cases in the past.
      The only real way to win or even make a dent on the war on drugs hence killings because of is to educate and stop the demand!

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    6. @9:08 Have to say it BLA BLA BLA BLA . All over the USA there are and always has been very capable trained killers. Son how old are you ? 2 world wars and various other conflicts in every part of the world from corner to corner . Men have been trained to use every weapon available and many that are not supposed to be available. There are many many people trained to kill in the USA .

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    7. @ 908 AM the demand will always be there. Not even talking addicts, what do most people do on weekends? Party.

      Also, as the world's population increases so will the demand. Getting rid of the demand is not a realistic solution. Keeping the demand/violence involved with drug trade to a minimum is more realistic.

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    8. Apparently no one has ever heard of the school of the Americas. Where coincidentally many latin american army officers left wing right wing and every other wing learned torture 101

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    9. Demand the US declassify everythIng,
      Until then, it proves their corrupt complicity PERIOD.
      --I have never heard the Founding Fathers absconded with their russian pimps from Russia to write the US Constitution.

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    10. There it is. Everyone agrees that a failed solution which has been proven for decades now is the answer to the war on drugs. Do not stop the demand just the supply. Bunch of hard headed idiots!
      How many more decades is it going to take of this policy to prove once and for all that it is not the correct policy???

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    11. School of the Americas don't exist anymore.

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    12. We train VOLUNTEERS 2 kill when democracy has failed. If afterwards you decide 2 make a buck because you feel $ is $. Then you've gone rogue and lost your military bearing on your own. - Sol Prendido

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    13. @ 7:58 try living as a soldier on the equivallent of $100 U.S. dollars a week if you are lucky and at the same time try raising a family. Then tell anyone if a $ is a $.
      @11:50 Killers are all over the U.S. true and we all have seen or heard of many gone rouge here in the States. Unlike in the states however where killers go rouge because of a disagreement with politics for the most part, killers in Latin America go rouge because of neccesity. Not saying this is right just saying the reason. Pay a killer in the U.S. what they earn in thrid world countries and you will know right away what they are capable of causing.

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    14. 7:13 they just changed the name. It still exists.

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    15. 4:33 I know that we qualify 4 food stamps. I can attest 2 this. And if you're married then the majority of spouses end up working at the PX or off post 2 get by. When I first when in I tested out on a foreign language and got my pay increased by a little bit. But at the end of the day no one really has enough $ in their pockets. That's all in how you spend it though. From here you learn how 2 be a minimalist. If you're single then you've pretty much got it made. You get 2 live rent free in the barracks. With free spliced cable hooked up in your room. And free meals. - Sol Prendido

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    16. 11:50 in the US they support their veterans, some go rogue on other countries and create disciples on their image and likeness,

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    17. 5:01 No, it doesn't exist as it once did.

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    18. I was wrong, school of americas changed its name.

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    19. 20 former USA military members commit suicide everyday. The system could be better!!

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  6. At this point who cares. Mexico is losing the war on drugs no matter if the Cartel's are trained or self trained

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    1. This could be serious. I know politicos r make $$$$ with the Cartel. But they losing g their country

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    2. I thought the war on drugs was the USA baby

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    3. The war on drugs was never meant to be won...

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  7. Of course the Mexican cartels will seek training outside the borders of Mexico. Their methods of attack against the government is sub par at best. CJNG and CDS had some success in recent years but the original Zetas had the most success against the police and military. Even if some the original Zetas received training from the US military it wasn't the greatest training. The Army Rangers did the majority of their training in the US. It wasn't like they got their training from the Deltas, Seals or even Force Recon.

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    1. 2:41 you talk like if ranger school is a walk in the park. Gtfoh arm chair general, dont under estimate the U.S Rangers. All the special forces in the US have body counts in Astan and Iraq.

      11B

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    2. 1:16 I'm not downing the Rangers but you have to admit the standards for admission is not as strict as the Seals, Pararescue, Deltas etc. I'm alittle older now but in my prime I could have completed Ranger school in my sleep. Oh by the way I'm not a General but I have been in some situations where dudes like you would shit your pants and have nightmares for years. Until you've had hundreds of AK rounds shot at you your opinion means nothing.

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    4. 5:48 in your sleep.... come on man you sound like that poker player dan blitzeren whatever his name is. who trys to say he almost completed seal training

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    5. 5:48 You screwed up by saying COULD HAVE. That combat patch on your arm don't mean shit unless you really earned it. Add 2 that some Airborne wings and then you've got something 2 talk about. We can air assault, static line jump, halo/haho jump into any environment day or night where as your ass is legging into it. But we ain't shit. GTFOH clown. - Sol Prendido

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    6. Sol Prendido, your no-knowledge and opinions about the military is disrespectful and belies your claim of being a military man.

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    7. I tried 2 be cool about it before. By not willing 2 collect. But if any of you doubters have doubts then let's start the wager off at 50K. And we can go as high as your ass is willing 2 pay out once its confirmed who I am. I'll gladly send the BB staff what's needed. Go ahead and call my bluff motherfuckers. - Sol Prendido

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    8. 12:19 Raging against anon's comments lol.

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    9. Waaaa i guess my coment got removed
      Much love bros 11b20
      Maiwand and Zhari know them by heart

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    10. Lol, go back to your PS4, playing BF1 or being a 15th Prestige in CoD does not equate to seeing some shit.I am just a nobody Marine grunt but have been to Mosul and spent 2 tours in 'Stan..in Helmut and the Swat valley.I have had enough RPG7 and 7.62 fired at me for 5 lifetimes, not to mention VBIEDs and IEDs. The Rangers over on the Army side are bad ass mofos for sure.

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    11. Sol you are biting off more than you can chew. I'm sure I am at least twice your age and I have done four times more in my life than you also. I'm a family man now including being a grandfather. So I really don't have to prove anything to anyone. The one thing I do know is the people who bark the loudest are the first to be proven a phony. Rangers have endured the most combat fatalities compared to other the SF regiments and believe me it's not because they are so brace. Airborne wings are a dime a dozen bud.

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    12. I just love the new generation. Always on a mission to prove how worthy or tough they are. Most of you aren't even soldier fetuses yet. You are still wads. I will digress from the convo and let you young wipper snappers sword fight about who has done this or that..... C’est la vie.

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    13. Hahaha. Sol I said COULD HAVE because I went after training that was alittle more challenging than Rangers. When your people get wounded they call my people to come get you and save your ass. BTW I think I was 10 yrs old the last time I was a clown.

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    14. 12:19 some call us PJ but obviously that's not our official title.

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    15. Honestly Sol unless you have attained the status of Carlos Hathcox, Scott Helvenston or Nicholas Irving I could care less what group you belong to.

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  8. G.N. and Antrax we are trained by Israeli Mossad and spec ops that is the reason we are the most elite cartel soldiers

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    1. Anthrax got wiped out by the mexican military.

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    2. Anthrax ? Who is left blo wipe them out

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    3. They just don't want to become another chino anthraco while they are pulling the phony tourist move.

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    4. Antrax is alive. It's antrax not anthrax.
      There's El Traka, Cameron, Instructor, Cheyo, Changuito and way more without even have to look em up

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    5. Theyshould have trained them to stay low key and to be soldiers instesad of being in social media so much. That's why they didn't last

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    6. El Traka, Camaron, Changuito, Cheyo, Instructor, all those are alive and many more

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    7. Antrax nothing compared to los linces

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  9. A few dozen no more than 50 trained of those 50 how many are still alive lol

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  10. I think it's the other way around... unless Las FARC also has a history of being trained by the US Govmnt, which i doubt

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    1. The leaders of LAS FARC Used to work for Alvaro Uribe Velez and his consiglieri/second in command, (known as "Santiago", in Cuba's Castro-Comunist circles) now president Juan Manuel Santos, convicted enemy of his former boss, and they used to lord it over the milicos Military, paras paramilitary, the Policia Nacional de Colombia, the right wing AUC, the PEPES, the ELN AND the FARC, with help of alvaro uribe's brother, leader of The 12 Apostoles Clan (El Clan De Los 12 Apostoles) Santiago Uribe Velez, a former priest or seminarist...
      by the way the US has some privileged prisoners in US jails, some of them are colombian narcos and extreme right paramilitary, 7+ US military bases in Colombia make the world go round, planes do not have to "refuel" in mexico...

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  11. If some cartels can hire kaibiles to work with them or to train their goons, what makes them doubt that they wouldn't do the same with some money hungry rogue farc rebels? Big narcos from any cartel aren't only capable of training their killers with just military, paramilitary groups from latin america. Corrupted government entities/officials also exist on the other side of the world like middle east for example...

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  12. This is an article from 2015. Why are you posting this now? What's the relevance?

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    1. Had the same in mind while Reading.

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    2. I think BB posted this a long time ago, but the statement by the 2 US officials is recent, right?

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  13. @4:42 PM What the f _ _ K is all the "we" talk. Personally if you are cartel I'd be scared to death to be in your path, but I wonder if you are, don't you feel any shame at all for the innocent blood on your hands? If you are not cartel how does it feel to know your contemporaries think you are a retard to cheerlead pure scum. As an American drug addict I have recently become more and more ashamed of my drug use and the pain it causes innocent lives , as the drugs destroy so many in their route north to the USA. So 4:42 PM either way, cartel member or not, you look like scum either way.

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    1. Hang in there. I have been clean for 8 years. U can do it. Want stop the Cartel Stop using. I am USA. We r the problem. We use. CARTEL SELLS

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    2. Take a chill pill bro or drink some milk to help that comedown. The guy is being sarcastic to a very hilarious degree lol but props on admitting to being an addict. Takes courage to admit and to leave bad habits. But this crying and yapping about US innocent lives is all blah blah blah to cartel members or corupt politicos ears.

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    3. When u Use, innocent people die in Mexico.

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    4. 8:09 local cartels are not the source of your troubled pains, they too are for the most part, the pawns of global greed that launder and abscond with billions of dollars from US addicts.

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    5. I have never done any, but HEROIN makes my mouth water and my stomach churn with anxiety and delight as I dream of it.
      Luckily I don't smoke or like syringes.
      Chiva is My Love for Evermore.
      Come think of it hey Chivis, HI!

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    6. 8:09PM - so the US government / CIA-funded prohibition policy works for you then?

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  14. ex-cia here.

    lemme drop some knowledge bombs.
    -mencho is in contact with the pope
    -the pope is los cuinis go to guy for wholesale drugs
    -los cuinis paid for a lot of elections to be rigged in South china sea
    -los cuinis is going against the Rothschild
    -mencho is dating the daughter of bogandof

    ONE WORD. "FOLLOW THE MONEY"

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    1. Thats 3 words homz!

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    2. Hard to believe you're former CIA yet you think"follow the $" is one word. I have 1 word: confused

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    3. WTF, I'm not Catholic, but I would like to see sources of these allegations.

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    4. 12:20AM
      Don't forget to take your medication.

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    5. @8:42 he is pulling your leg at @12:20
      And you rose the other one.
      But you could do some research yourself and debunk some junk, in the process you will find some shit is just facking true.

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    6. Whoops. Misspell meant to say "bogdanoff"..

      Follow the money.

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  15. Interesting analysis on FRAC's involvement in the drug trade:
    http://www.insightcrime.org/investigations/farc-50-years

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  16. any training is better than no training.... I just don't see why use Colombian instructors if the americans are willing to do it. Los Zetas would have their own training camps....... Taking jobs away from el pais

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    1. Colombians are taking over, that why.
      In southern mexico, PEMEX technicians get paid $9 000.00 pesos a month, while colombian subcontractors employed by foreign contractors taking over the stealing and robbing of mexico's oil resources like some "high Class Huachicoleros" get paid
      $9 000.00 USD dollars a konth, BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING OVER AS MASTER CLASS, the culombians did not help EPN steal the presidency for free, you know?
      HACKER FISCALIA may have some news for you...

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    2. Well, they are welcome if they are going to be more organized and discreet when it comes to drug business. Now, on the issue of them taking over its hard to believe! Give me facts. Which cartel is runned by a Colombian?

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  17. doubt it. farc is nothing. their time was 90's.

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  18. Anyone remember my post from June 25 ?
    http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2017/06/the-colombian-war-fed-by-mexican-cartels.html

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