Tuesday, August 30, 2016

CJNG vs Sinaloa, the looming war as El Menchito was kidnapped in prison by the Sinaloa cartel and threatened with death

Translated by Otis B Fly-Wheel for Borderland Beat from a Riodoce article

Subject Matter: CJNG vs Sinaloa Cartel
Recommendation: No prior subject matter knowledge required

Ismael Zambada Garcia, Rafael Caro Quintero and the Federal Government itself participated in the negotiations to free the three children of El Chapo Guzman. But the negotiations were difficult and then the Sinaloa cartel threatened to kidnap in jail Nemesio Oseguera Gonzalez, son of El Mencho, to offer that as a bargaining chip. Sinaloa sources assure Riodoce that he was kidnapped, but that was denied by the PGR. What many say is that the offense will cause a war between the CJNG and the Sinaloa cartel.


Reporter: Javier Valdez
In the negotiations for the children of Joaquin Guzman Loera, leader of the Sinaloa cartel, they were freed, Ismael Zambada Garcia, Rafael Caro Quintero and the Federal government took part, according to unofficial sources consulted by Riodoce.

Negotiations between the group CJNG and its leader El Mencho, and the Sinaloa cartel did not go smoothly, and at one point were on the brink of disaster, the pawn in the negotiations was El Menchito, a Federal prisoner in Oaxaca, who was threatened with death if El Chapo's sons were not released.




El Menchito, according to Riodoce sources, was kidnapped in prison and placed under permanent pressure until those kidnapped in La Leche were released. However this version of events was denied by PGR sources who requested anonymity.

"We have registered visitors in this time period when Menchito was meant to have been kidnapped, he would not have be able to receive visitors if he had been kidnapped," said the source.

The Federal Government also intervened at the highest level. Sources said that security and military officials also interceded once negotiations became entrenched and allowed a cooling off period when violent tempers were flaring, avoiding a war between the two most powerful cartels in Mexico.

El Mencho did not want to budge, so they pressured his son in prison, said a person close to these events.

Ruben Oseguera Gonzalez, better known as El Menchito, remains imprisoned in the Cefereso No. 13, located in Miahuatlan, in Oaxaca State, accused of organized crime, and illegal possession of firearms and ammunition for exclusive use of the armed forces.

Caro Quintero retains some influence in Guadalajara, which was his second home, he went there after fleeing operation condor, which hit Sinaloa in 1977 and where it held its power in the drug business. He helped in the dialogue, as did the intervention of El Mayo Zambada Garcia, but when negotiations stalled it was the Federal Government that got them moving again.

When El Menchito became a pawn in the negotiations, the Federal Government got involved as did Rafael Caro Quintero, and this prevented  a violent riot.

The brothers, Ivan Archivaldo, heir to his fathers business, Alfredo and Caesar were kidnapped while celebrating a birthday of Ivan in La Leche restaurant in Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco.

It was officially accepted by the State attorney general of Jalisco, that Jesus Alfredo Guzman Salazar was among the six men abducted in the La Leche restaurant, sources for Riodoce found out that Ivan Archivaldo was also in the group and later, Carlos Loret de Mola in his televisa program cited unofficial sources from the Federal Government that another son of El Chapo, Cesar Guzman Salazar had also been among the kidnapped.

Contrary to what had been said, Los Menores, as the sons of El Chapo had been called, did have a bodyguard with them but he was easily overcome by the sicarios.

Inside, close to 16 sicarios took control of the Guzman's, but the group of attackers was in total some 50 armed men. Another of the Guzman brothers, Ovidio, was not at the party, but he was in Puerto Vallarta, and he had opted to stay at the Marriott hotel where all of the brothers had been staying.

The reunion at La Leche was for the birthday of Ivan Archivaldo, on the 15th of August, and he had arranged for friends and family to attend, some 16 in number.

On the night of Friday the 19th they were set free. At first only Ivan and his bodyguard were set free, but he decided to remain in Jalisco until his siblings and friends had been freed as well.

Working Meeting

On Thursday night, there was a working meeting in Culiacan, of the highest level members of the Sinaloa cartel controlled by Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada who were summoned to a ranch near the Sinaloa capital city.

The Mayo operatives came from various regions of Sinaloa and other States, In small groups with bodyguards and close associates.

Outside the ranch was a security cordon of heavy weapon mounted technicals. The reason for the meeting was to analyze what was happening in Puerto Vallarta, with the kidnapping of the Guzmans by the heads of the CJNG. The negotiations, possible consequences, and the possibility of going to war with the CJNG, that could reach new levels of blood and death.

One associate was so frightened by the hardware on show in the security cordon that he chose to leave quoting "this feels like Iraq".

War Drums

Operatives within the Sinaloa cartel warn that the kidnappings of Guzmans sons, the escalating tension and negotiations, threats, is the prelude to a new narco war Sinaloa vs CJNG.

Apparently, Sinaloa, with Ivan Archivaldo at its head, is preparing a series of strong offensives, and is expected to move family members to safe locations to reduce their vulnerability to attack. (Otis: this happened when Sinaloa went to war with the BLO in 2009).

Any attacks would be carried out in regions controlled by the CJNG where they border Sinaloa. In the case of Sinaloa the forces of El Mencho could make alliances with cells from the BLO operating in Los Mochis, El Fuerte, Choix, Sinaloa and Guasave, in the North of the State, Navalato, in the centre and South, Mazatlán, Concordia, Escuinapa and Rosario.

The so called "Mazatlecos" have already launched a series of attacks against Sinaloa operatives in the South of the State, where there have been dismembering and burning of corpses such as in Concordia.

In just one day, Sunday the 21st, seven men were killed in the Port, one of them had a manta against Ismael Zambada, Chapo Guzman and Damaso Lopez Nunez. Four more were executed and abandoned near the Privanzas fraccionamiento.

This happened, in spite of strengthening of security in recent weeks, directly coordinated by the chief of ministerial police, Jesus Antonio Aguilar Iniguez, who was sent by the Governor, Mario Lopez Valdez, to give some assurance to the port.

While the author was writing this article, two men were killed in down town Culiacan, they were in an armored vehicle. One of them was the nephew of Ismael Zambada, ( Otis: see link to my article on the slaying of Giovanni Parra Zambada.)

Original article in Spanish at Riodoce

238 comments:

  1. Gay Joaquin GuzmanAugust 30, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    This sounds like too much bullshit. Especially if the feds and RCQ were involved in the negotiations. If that was the case the feds have a re-arrest warrant for RCQ and they would have taken him in and that extradition process can begin. Phony baloney if you ask me and the Guzman punks are hated out there so I don't know where this BS scenario popped up at but I for one do not believe it.

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    1. I knew Chapo back in the day. Last time i saw him before of 2015 he had a guy propped up with a gun under his chin. Dont say what happened next but he was ready to Rocky and roll st the drop of a hat and very street smart. Now mayo is different he stays a recluse but if i were to compare the killing power of the two x knowing many of the sicarios he has are very loyal. I say mayo wins the killing power game. Really fierce. I would not want to be CJNG now. they will find out CDS very powerful and well connected. Yes im bilingual. Atte. El Burro.

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    2. You are really not familiar with Mexico eh!

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    3. Via satelite sabemos que ismael el mayo se reunio con el mencho i le dejo en claro que sinaloa es su padre , i testigos confideciales aseguran que el mayo le dijo "aver michocano joto asi como toda tu bola de bocones mata a los chapos i te mueres tu i tu hijo " i grabaciones optenidas sabemos que el mencho se cago i lloro

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    4. El Pelochas a plaza boss for CDG was nearly shot up in his truck,his name is big in CDG now,but this is the same guy who was with El Apache Flores(brother of Beto Fabe)when they were arrested then deported from the US.
      El Apache sided with the Zetas and went on a killing spree when he landed back in Mexico cause his family was wiped out by TT.Strange shit the way it plays out ?

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    5. Bunch of delusional people on here dont know whats happening

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    6. You do know family members of RCQ and Nacho Coronel were taken along with Chapos 3 sons.

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    7. This is for @7:43PM. Where do you get your insight? RCQ relatives would never hangout with Chapo's family. RCQ is a sworn enemy against el Chapo. None of RCQ's family were kidnapped you ignorant idiot. Plus the story is so far fetched it truly is unbelievable this bullshit scenario ever happened.

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    8. @7:43, Quintero and Chapo are arch enemies.

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    9. RCQ MAY BE WANTED a d have all the warrants in the world for his ass, the US does not really want him, they are just saving face, RCQ STILL DOES THEIR BIDDING AFTER THEY LEFT HIM FOR 28 YEARS IN PRISON...

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    10. RCQ MAY BE WANTED a d have all the warrants in the world for his ass, the US does not really want him, they are just saving face, RCQ STILL DOES THEIR BIDDING AFTER THEY LEFT HIM FOR 28 YEARS IN PRISON...some marriages last forever...

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    11. If this war happens it will be a disaster for México. Both US and Mex govts need to step in this time. Remember Ciudad Juarez?

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  2. CDS vs CJNG let me get my popcorn

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    1. man youre pathetic, you are entertained by the destruction of our mexico why dont you go and watch it in person you jackass

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    2. CDS,CDG,La Nueva Familia Michoacana vs CJNG,BLO,Zetas,NCDJ,CAF.

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    3. "you are entertained by the destruction of our mexico"
      Where are you sitting ? Whos pathetic ? Our Mexico,give me a break

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    4. "Our Mexico, give me a break"? -- what about "OUR WORLD, GIVE US A BREAK???"

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  3. WOW!!!! I really feel stupid reading this I know its a blog.. please how can you kidnapped someone in prison! was he taken out of prison? was missing he missing? did they break him out of prison? it might be more believable if he was held hostage in a cell not of his own! then again this is something blogdelnarco would post bunch of bs.

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    1. They own the prison and the staff in it as well

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    2. Dude it's just an attempt to show that CDS had the power in the negotiations. We all know that it was all bogus. Three sons kidnapped versus one. Who do you think had the upper hand? Use your common sense. Plus how can you go and see your visitors if you are "kidnapped" in prison? But yes they mean he was held against his will until Los Chapitos were released.

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    3. You don't know how corrupt Mexico is until you dig. The DEA & FBI are the only reason Chapo & some other Top Narcos ain't out on the streets again.

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    4. They don't mix prisoners from different cartels in prison in general population, that would be a blood bath. Sinaloa will have paid off guards in that prison, that could give them access to the area where el mechito is housed. Hope this clears it up some

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    5. Chapo literally ran Altiplano before he escaped. No hair cuts,no searches, visitors all day, gourmet food etc..
      Trust me these top level guys do what they want in prison in Mexico.You think of prison and you think the usa style..in Mexico its much much different lol.The narcos run the prisons.

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    6. Otis this story is unsubstantiated. This is a make believe story so prove the facts. Even the USA government says Chapo's kids were never kidnapped. They say it was a ploy to make believe they were kidnapped so they could go hide because of the death threats from all the other cartels.

      RIODOCE is not a credible source as they are the National Enquirer of Mexico. Get real, if they were actually kidnapped they would have been executed immediately with NO negotiations. FUCK THIS BS FAKE AND FALSE STORY.

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    7. BTW Otis, they do mix cartel members regardless so they cn kill or beat each other. The Mexican system does not care but they do mix rivals together in the hopes of mass rioting amongst themselves and killing each other.

      Don't know where you hear your shit but prison officials want them mixed to kill each other.

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    8. All the guards are for sale or lease, jefe, whatever you need, a new tunnel?, no problem, just let us handle the personnel and have the fall guys manning their positions...

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    9. Carteles run the jails in mexico my dad was doing timetime for 3 years and i us to go there and spend days in side the jail and the guards dont mess with them because they have more and better guns than the guards. And they do what ever they want they have party's with Famous singers and women's. So believe me if the want to kidnappe someone they do.

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  4. Wheres the chismosas saying Mencho helped Chapo escape last year from prison. Lol

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    1. A lot of people misunderstood what happened, I blame badly written articles for the misunderstanding.
      What happened is that El Chapo used one of the same financial operatives that the CJNG uses to fund his second prison escape.
      It's like having a money launderer that one bad guy uses and is close to and then another bad guy then uses that same money launderer, it doesn't mean the first bad guy financed the second bad guy.

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    2. http://www.businessinsider.com/el-chapo-guzman-sinaloa-jalisco-cartel?r=US&IR=T&IR=T

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  5. Excellent , thanks Otis , you have been on top of it ! Read this early today in Riodoce. There is rumor of 100 Sicarios Sinaloaenses in La Paz BCS, Dios asyudarnlos.........yikes.

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    1. I totally a agree Otis. Awesome update. Grazie to you and BB.Peace.

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  6. This makes much more sense than the other stories, that were told on why they were released.

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  7. Damn...shit just got real...who knows what's going to happen now...

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  8. El Mencho is no match for CDS (Mayo Damaso Chapo)

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    1. Caro Quintero also.you know he's gonna be with them,or it'll be a whole nother war just in badiraguato region.

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    2. Nope not at all. One to learn something remember Los Matazetas well they are known now by LosAmigosDeLosZetas. CJNG has allied with BLO & Zetas & Carrillos Fuentes, & Tijuana.

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    3. Take an unbiased approach and then tell me who seems to be no match. When Los Chapitos were kidnapped all CDS did was have a "meeting". No offensive move but a "meeting". If El Mayo wasn't in on it I will be completely surprised. It appears Mencho wants to bring CDS to their knees and he is reaching out to the other cartels who want the same thing. Bro it's just a matter of time. BLO, Juarez and CDN aligned with CJNG will be epic. Not to mention the other cells from AF and Michoacan/Guerrero cells. You have to admit that working alliance will be tough for any cartel to deal with.

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    4. That's what people from sinaloa think.....till they find themselves having a meeting because a "untouchable" name got kidnapped.

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    5. Ok but you are forgetting that a bunch of them weak cells that cds was fight are now aligning with cjng but seriously this reminds me of when everyone jumped on los zetas

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  9. Why on earth the Mex goverment step in for Chapo? In reading between the lines, Is it possible the reason Chapo hasnt spilled the beans on every goverment offical that took his bribes, is because he was told to turn himself in and in return the Mex goverment will let the sons operate the business,

    In return the Mex goverment still takes the bribes from the kids, and probably told Chapo they will guarantee their safety.
    If the kids would have died, I believe Chapo would release the names of everyone that took bribes

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    1. That...and if even one of them would have died well it pretty much means Sinaloa, Michioacan, Colima, Jalisco, TJ and other key tourist destinations would be off limits for 1 or more years. Also the Government casualties along with civilian casualties would be too great

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    2. Bingo 12:09. Hey, I didn't fall off the tortilla truck yesterday, but any of you folks who have been in the mix or lurking to wit, do a gut check on this video. The emotional truth of a kidnapping was not there for me. The look of pure terror, the look of bewilderment; the frenetic agitation, etc. etc. were all absent. For me, this was theater a charade. For what, who really knows. But surely, choregraphing this rip would endear the big hat shot callers to Chapo who has many stories to tell. I have maintained for years that Chapo ain't going to the U.S. because the State Department trumps the Justice Department and Chapo knows who is really behind the curtain. Mexico does not need another black eye ergo Chapo stays put and we wrap our selves in the flag of independence and no big brother intervention. Off point, but I recently read that Justice was down south having a big pow wow re: fentanyl. Sorry folks, that train has left the station just like methamphetamine. Point being, why does the U.S. not resort to more prevention messages for the youth of Mexico? As I have said before, virtually the only area where the U.S. funds a prevention message is HIV on the frontier states because of the potential infection of U.S. citizen Johns/Juans. We must do more than 'trail'em; nail'em; jail'em. Mexico deserves more from its neighbor to the north.

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    3. This is soo stupid.....all you putos needs to get off Chapos jockstrap!!.If any official within the mexican goverments feels in any way that chapo is a threat he'd be dead as shit right now. He is no threat at all. Everyone is implying that the goverment helped el chapo cause they're afraid he snitch is total bullshit. And a deal to keep quiet and let his sons operate is retarded. The Guzmans dont hold that much leverage.

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    4. @9:45 pm. They do not look scared because they have lived with so much power that they cannot fathom that anyone can hurt them. You have to be around it to understand. You would shit your pants because you have probably led a life as far away from that "power" as possible.

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    5. 12:35 is la rajita de canela en los calzones de epn, lol.

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  10. Chapo is doing some major snitching right about now. "Señor mr. D E.A El Mencho is this and that señor mr. D E.A" "I just grow beans and corn" lol

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    1. Agreed 5 million percent. #Chaposnitched

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    2. El Chapo's up to his old tricks, again. As we all know, Chapo has 2 'tricks':

      1) Growing corn and beans
      2) Snitching

      #chaposnitchedyetagain


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  11. This story seems so fucking fake...

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    1. i totally agree....a fantasy bullshit story and i don't believe one word of it.

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    2. Riodoce broke the Guzman kids release days before anyone else did. They have the juice card right now kid

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    3. How does it seem fake? You really think Alfredo got released just like that, easy Menchito is in altiplano easy access for any cartel especially Sinaloa don't forget Chapo has it on lock don't believe everything they tell you

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  12. It's interesting that 5 articles ago I wrote in a borderland beat comment that chapo, mayo and damasos were United and ready to go to war against mencho but there were numerous replys to my comment that I "have no idea" what I'm talking about bc anthrax, gente nueve and mini lic would never operate together. Funny how my information is always accurate but people in this forum still try to discredit the information like they are some sort of narco juniors themselves....classico mi amigo.

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    1. Maybe its the name,although it does sound like a CIA operative,and you just might have some info...are you?

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    2. @12:34 Does your hand still work after patting yourself on the back, Michael MILLER? Btw,none of this has been verified...so are you taking credit for rumors? BB is the best out there...why don't you wait and see what happens? You don't live in Mexico obviously so you are speculating like the most of us.I live in Mexico but in Sinaloa...however, it seems to me you are trying to take credit for guessing correctly what an article states.

      There is no way to know any of this...except wait and see what the hell happens. Are you ok with that?

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    3. Michael Miller my poor sweet boy. I'll address your comment with
      El Mayo's contribution to this alleged meeting because El Lic hasn't been relevant since El Chapo's incarceration. Do you think Mayo was all in or was he there for show? With my experience the actual back stabber is usually closer to you then any other person. Remember Mayo was a turn coat to the AF before he went in with Chapo. You also have to take with a grain of salt who the source of this alleged meeting is which is the Mexican government. Common who truly believes the Mexican government when it comes to the truth. Trust me when I say I am no Mencho lover but he seems to be very dangerous at the moment. Political protection and a dialogue with other cliques is a formula for major war unseen in the last 4 years. Let's see if CDS answers with their nuts or with their brain. Honestly the brain and the opportunity to make money for all is smarter but after all we are talking about the CDS. Their nuts will be the answer and all hell will break loose.

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    4. 12:34 es que you just have no idea, amigo mickey mouse.

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    5. 6:33 -CIA, haha that's the complete opposite of what I am. I'm just an ordinary sailor navigating the vast ocean.

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    6. Nadie sabe, nadie supo, Micky Mouse.
      We still don't know for sure the chapitos got kidnapped or which ones, or by who, or that the kidnap was for reals.
      Pero ahi andan de calientes.

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    7. Hey It's the "WORD IS REAL TALK" guy.
      Not to be confused with the "WORD IS REAL SPIT" guy.

      A revelation thanks to @6:33! You are Michael Miller toó?..I knew it. I actually thought you were El Morroñis bcuz of your writing style and the BS you bring.

      When are you going to make up more BS with your fake contactos?

      I knew you know less o the same as anyone on here. And Im as dumb as they come!

      Patetic! Real Talk! Jajaja

      Atte: El 7 Mesino

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    8. so you said the 3 leaders of cds would go to war with mencho....wow what a phsycic you are..lmao we have been talking about that for months guy...

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  13. Saludos al chapito Flores y sus muchachos...

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  14. All this if true goes to show the high levels of knowledge, corruption and support between the Mexican government and the cartels. All these high level meetings with armed men happening and the police (wisely though) stay out of it. What a chance to move in and deal a blow to two powerful cartels. But I guess that's none of the government's business. What a farce!

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  15. Great post.. Wished I had some popcorn as i read it :)

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  16. So this is how Mayo negotiated Chapos kids release???
    Chapo would have still lost two to three of his kids though if push came to shove.

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  17. If Menchito was "kidnapped" in Cereso 13, then Sinaloa controls the joint. Amazing that an enemy of CDS was sent to a CDS controlled prison...who has a deal with the federal government? Not CDS of course! Must all be coincidence...

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  18. Children of el chapo guzman? Seriously? Children?! LOL

    Now the media is going to make them the victims and glorify them. Poor children! Why didn't the mexican gov give the missing students to negotiate their release? Y Mireles?

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    1. @1:03
      Well they are his children.
      Children is the plural form of child and the definition of child is as follows.
      Child - a son or daughter of any age.

      So no llores.

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    2. 1:03, y lo que sigue, you no has visto nada man...
      --A ver, make the mexican government return the 43 normalistas?
      Pero Julio Cesar Mondragon is crapping on CISEN and campo militar #1, it has discovered that his phone travel straight from the scene of his torture ,(64 fractures on 40 bones plus the skin of his face taken as a trolhy) to campo kiki tar #1 and CISEN used the phone too, to spy...
      --Ayotzinapa was no narcos, no rojos, not the abarcas, not the municipal poolice of iguala, it was the federal government, including the "commander in chief" epn...fué el gobierno federal

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    3. Get its straight. It's Los Chapitos : ). We. Love em

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    4. See:La Guerra que nos Ocultan, a new book, con Carmen Aristegui and the authors.

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    5. Wow 10:21-That's enough to blow 1's socks off if true.Could possibly be true too after all the shit those international investigators went through with the Mex federal gov and no access to the soldiers on the nearby military base.By God if the truth was ever proven Mexico would be famous internationally and loathed internationally as well.

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    6. "La Guerra Que Nos Ocultan" is the book you want to read, canna, while epn and co. were busy hiding the evidence and the facts from the international investigators of GIEI, the authors of this book found el clavo, Telcel delivered the list of calls from this phone to the PGR, I am just GLAD Julio Mondragón is still fighting from his grave and winning, thanks to the investigators too, Francisco Cruz, Felix Santana and Miguel Angel Alvarado...

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  19. The government will say what they have to knowing they snatched up menchito to protect there biggest informants.

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  20. o the writer is saying Mencho backed-down after the gvt got involved.
    Probably told Mencho your son will be handed ot the CDS, and we, along with CDS, will be coming for you and your family and your cartel. Who's got the hammer!
    Wow! Mencho now looks weak and scared!

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    1. If I remember correctly it was Mencho who was the one who made the Mexican government look weak when his people shot down that Huey. And when his people ambushed and killed 15 state police officers. I also remember a DEA or US Marshal getting wounded looking for Mencho. The agent had to be rushed out of the country by Mexican Marina because it was alleged no Mexican official knew he was in Mexico. You are calling Mencho weak but you have no idea what Chapo had to up to secure his three son's release. We don't know if Chapo gave up anything up at all. If you really think about it the kidnapped were used as leverage against Chapo for something in return. Whatever it was I'm sure it will be revealed in the future.

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    2. Hahaha Chapos sons are not worth SINALOAS profits. Try again

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  21. why was the Federal government taking part in this?

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    1. They support and back CdS

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    2. The six corpses found in Jalisco de los Jalesters were the kidnappers?

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    3. 9:07 through kerrect answer is "for the money", because con dinero baila el perro, o bailas como perro...

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  22. the war is about to begin

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  23. Sinaloa putting out this story so they don't look weak..

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    1. Who looks weak? CDS looks stronger if anything, Los Chapitos released unharmed like nothing...Jalisco looks weak for letting them go! And scared...just sayin!

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    2. Looks that way but who knows with these rats

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    3. No we released them cause we are not reckless like other cartels now let's say if it was los Zetas they wouldn't even have negotiated they would've most likely just tortured them all and dismembered them and would've showed no mercy to el chapo but we people from jalisco know that el chapo already lost a son and thinking about it imagine leaving him without no sons so yeah....luckily it was us and not them or any other organization

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    4. @11:35 Is Chapo's mom back at her home? No she was ran out of the mountains. Yeah, they weak.

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    5. Cant we all get along,

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    6. Chapo had Mencho shaking in his boots when Mencho found out his goons mistakenly lifted Ivanito. Why do you think the army moved in? Chapo immediately got himself transferred back to Altiplano and mobilized the armed forces to bring Ivanito and Alfredito back home to Culiacan.

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  24. Bad news for mencho, the government has already started the crackdown on CJNG as they are alienating politicians and businessmen with links and ties to mencho and investigating-prosecuting them. Its about to be SINALOA and The government against CJNG. we already know who is going to come out on top..up in till the recent capture of el chapo, SINALOA and CJNG were working in partnership and kept there markets of operation separated. It seems since el chapos arrest mencho wants the United states market and has dissolved any relationship with SINALOA, unfortunately for mencho they do not have the backing of the biggest cartel of em all who is the politicos of Mexico.

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    1. You're correct. Sinaloa still has big clout in the govt. They always play ball. Give a bit to get a bit. Good business.

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    2. CDS has been on a steady decline the last 4 years so it will be interesting if they can recover but I doubt it.

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    3. El grande Rojo e Hinchado, te patiaron el cabus o algo pior?

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    4. @5:57; CDS (aka Gob) has not in any way declined and they have grown CJNG by lending routes, protection and distribution for the business de cristal. 1) The media reports to distract from reality and 2) Chapo, Ivan, and no single man control CDS. They again are figureheads to distract and small cogs in an wheel. If Chapo was the CDS would he be talking about 1 missing key with one CDS distributor in Chicago? Really, in an organization that has thousands of keys crossing daily to multiple distributors in every major city in USA, Canada, Europa, etc by planes, tren, cars, autobus, tunnel, barco, etc?? The CDS has never been doing better and neither has its support; el gob de Mexico and the top 2% who hide behind their national bancos, media, tuna fleets, hoteles,, inversion, etc... Nothing's changed except more sale and tighter gob control since Calderon left office.

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    5. Yes absolutely, its the same as Hitler wanting information from platoon leaders in France when he is commanding million man armies in Russia. Alot of powerful leaders micro-manage.

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  25. What did cjng possibility think they could gain from all of this?

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    1. Everything. They want everything.

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    2. Take out their most prominent enemy. It would be like taking out all the Arellano Felix brothers at once. Notice the guys that followed "them" didn't last much and splinter off. Z. CDG. FM. CAF. ect
      I'm no expert. Common sense if you ever slang a lil something.

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    3. @ 1016 taking someones sons is just going to piss everyone off.thats not taking out their enemy. Thats my point

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  26. Damn. Chivis, in terms of violence, you think this will go like it was with CDG vs Los Zetas? Or will it be more violent or less violent? El Nemesis-

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  27. Good job Javier Valdez and rio doce

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    1. GOOD JOB OTTIS FOR THE TRANSLATION FOR US GRINGOS.

      GREAT WORK

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  28. Last I checked, Wars only come with losses. These are money and lives. Business cannot thrive when you have to worry about everyone attempting on your life.

    Here are some canikas de savio. Best to have a bad agreement than a full out war. Los Pinos will not tolerate an unnecessary war that will result in tourism losses in the millions.

    Ponganse las pillas. No sean Guey's.

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  29. Biggest Battle!.. CDS vs CJNG!..

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    1. N my opinion the biggest battle was C.D.J vs.C.d.s plus U gotta look @ the bigger pikture c.d.s had government help .... look @ them now c.d.s has lost a lot of ground 🤗🤗🤗🤗

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    2. CDS hasnt lost anything, thats why Menso wants a piece of the action and failed

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    3. Exactly. CDS has lost about 1/3 or more of its terroritory to CDJ, CJNG and BLO. I won't even bring up the Zetas because of all the craziness with CDG, Zetas and CDN.

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  30. This read makes no sence!

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  31. Ay nomas paque miren quien manda, esto solo es el principio. Los Mochis ta mos al 100 con el chaparrito.

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  32. Bullshit story like always!! Who had more to lose,mencho with one son or chapo with 2-3 sons? Think about it,mencho had the upper hand and could do what ever he wanted! Fake ass story!!

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    1. Would you sacrifice your children

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    2. All he has is one son moron. CDS won this standoff getting back 3 for 1. CJNG is a fake ass cartel full of michoacanos who can't control Michoacan

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    3. If someone had your mother, wife or child kidnapped. I'm sure you wouldn't care about chips you were holding, you would give everything up. I know i would. Ultimately it comes down to me avoiding the burden of carrying my family member's death on my conscience.

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  33. People say Mencho is smart but why kidnap the sons of your enemy when you know he can kill your son in prison? It makes no sense whatsoever.

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  34. Thanks bb for posting up this story lots of cjng ass lickers are mad but its the true you just cant fuck whit sinaloa and expected no figtht those gallos are ready to figth

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    1. Don't pat the CDS scrotum surfers on the back just yet. No one on this board knows what actually happened and what was given up by either cartel. If this info is being released by the Mexican government then you should know most it is bullshit.

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  35. Hahaha were all the menso cheerleaders at? How about the beheadings of Los chapito? Ya version quien tienen Los huevos mas grandes poor menso didn't have any other choice of letting them go without a scratch...

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  36. Yea.. this seems like someone's made up fairytale..lol....but I don't think things are as complicated as everyone makes it seem....but just my opinion

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  37. This was a stupid move by Mencho. The OG's don't take to messing with family members. They use their plebes as pawns. Mencho should've just kept moving his meth, and kept reaping profits. He also has attacked the military. Balls bigger than his brain. Now, he's gonna get fucked at both ends. Sinaloa was way smarter, by buying so much political clout. They're old money. Sinaloa has always played the game. Pay up, snitch on the right people. Mayo even made sure his kids all do time in US. Much safer. Chapo going back to Altiplano too...Club Fed all over again. They did their dog and pony show, to say he's gonna be in solitary....Nope....Guaruntee, there will be massive retaliation. Sinaloa will stamp out Mencho soon. Or even snitch him out. Better for business. Govt will allow it. Sinaloa pays the best.

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    1. Finally someone who knows how the game works not like these michoacanos playing jalisco cards who don't know shit

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    2. What a minute aren't the Chapitos in the game? They aren't civilians they are capos. All bets are off when you step your ass in the narco arena. No fucks given because these fools got caught slipping to the fullest. You keep listen to the CDS corridos because the reality is totally different than those fantasies. Don't believe me just watch.

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    3. LMAO....dude, I've never listened to any corrido...just obvious facts. It's business. Sinaloa has paid more, so they get off easier. They have deepest pockets. They will prevail. Not a fan of any of them.

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    4. The most cold blooded and the most blood thirsty will prevail so it definitely won't be CDS. Those pretty boys don't have the stomach for it especially since the BLO split. That's why they lost Juarez and they barely have a presence in the eastern part of Mexico. I am hoping CDS does put up a good fight and not buckle under the pressure but we shall see.

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  38. I think both the U.S. government and Mexico want a war between these two cartels. There is nothing to indicate a real war looming other than this osolated incident but the way both cartels are bieng pitted against one another and the Mexican government is helping CDS then it only leads to believe this.

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  39. Damn Mexican soap operas . Who whites these things anyway ?

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    1. Sean penn and kate del castillo

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  40. Wow mencho really fucked up this time. I would dare say mencho has about 3 months max before cds catch up to him

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    1. Actually it will be the other way around. Mencho and his associates from other cartels have already attacked Chapo not once but three times. And it looks like Mayo has been attacked also. Whether it was Mencho who attacked Mayo's nephew is unknown. There hasn't been any offensive move by CDS as of yet. BLO and CJNG have proven battlefield sicarios who have created havoc for whoever they have faced. CDS has lost a lot terroritory in the last few years so I don't see Mencho backing down them.

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    2. "BLO and CJNG have proven battlefield sicarios" hahahah listen to this nut hugger. lmao

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    3. Mayo was attacked lol. I would bet big money mayo had never even shared a bit o air with that newphw

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    4. What has CDS sicarios done on the battlefield other than getting cut to pieces by BLO, La Linea and Zetas? Do you not remember the battle where Los Anthrax lost about 30 men in a fire fight against Chapo Isidro? Come on Junior your narco knowledge is no match for mine. You will be sadly disappointed in your papì's cartel when it is all said and done. CDS is all flash and money nothing else. They pay others to do their dirty work for them hence is why they gets not respect in the street. CDS is like the Kimbo Slice of cartels. They can beat up farmers and innocents but when they face an armed group who can fight they lose miserably. Keep on believing hype.

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  41. "Rumors" thats all i see

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  42. They should have just shot el chapos kids with their rifles

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  43. Come on guys. God has called us to peace. He loves you and does not want you hurting each other. I Know we all get wrapped up in this but there are young men who need to live out there full lives. All this senseless killing is accomplishing nothing.

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    1. 10:48 amen to that brother...

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    2. Too late for "god", free el chapo.

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  44. This sounds like a move from el mayo to calm them down a bit cuz I herd lots of shot these dudes are making lots of trouble not wanting to share and raise taxes on there sellers

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  45. SR R18 and CDS kicked out Mencho from Colima

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    1. Not even close lol where do you get them nonsense?

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  46. Trumps coming to Mexico!!! It's like the 4th time trying to post.. how is this not news?!

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    1. Maybe the cartels can kidnap him and put his stupid ass in a execution video.

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  47. Can not see a war happening. Look at what happened to gulf cartel when the went to war with their former armed wing. Mencho and mayo are business men,big war will ruin everything for both parties.

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  48. is CJNG a splinter group formally with Sinaloa Cartel loyal to El Nacho Coronel?

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    1. Cjng are remnants of el milenio cartel, templarios and a bunch of other meth addicted theives and extortionist.

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  49. El Menzo fucked up. He had the upper hand in these negotiations, if I was El Manzo I would had told El Sapo, "I already killed Ivan and Alfredito but you can still have Cesar if you let El Menzito go"

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    1. ... menzito would've been released to save cesars life and would've been killed at a later time. Not only that but an all out war would've goe down.

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  50. How are reporters getting this information? It sounds to fairy tale. Even if there was a meeting with mayo or whoever it would be private and we wouldn't know about it. Very few people would know exactly what's going on, and they would be silent about it, because when you're in that business, you don't go gossiping or making moves that will get you caught up. Journalist write anything to get some reads. They might know a little bit, but exaggerate the situation like they are watching it first hand. It's a good read tho.

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  51. So funny. Mexican goverment pretty much admits to having cartel leaders on speed dial. Oooh a war might break out and we need save chapos kids since he has paid us houndreds of millions. let use the bat phone and call Mencho and tell him if he kills the little shit heads we will actually do our job and go get him. Like a bad mexican tv show.

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  52. Or maybe its all just the news stirring things up...or maybe cds paid them to make this story up so people can think they are badass, thus making them more respected and feared ..think about it...maybe cjng want even behind the kidnapping...I don't really think cjng isn't even all too powerful...man...idk..just my opinion lol

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    1. Yes the whole Mencho is richer then god from flooding europe with drugs is complete bullshit.
      Eutope is not flooded with mexican meth or meth period. Its regular old school amphetamine from eastern europe people use. Nobody in europe would even smoke shitty mexican weed. Heroine comes from afghanistan not mexico. Coke is brought in by local groups not wet backs who would stand out like polar bears in kongo. Even the really small european countries like denmark and sweden have local people taking in coke straight from south america a few houndred kilos at the time or the rare 1 to 1.5 ton shippment, Again no mexicans involved. There are some mexicans in spain but so are people from colombia and peru and they are mostly there to make sure shippments reach the end buyers and the bosses in SA getting paid.
      The DEA are making Mencho look huge so they can justify wasting more money on the drug war once chapo is out of the game.

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    2. "Nobody in europe would even smoke shitty mexican weed" - many people used to import tons of the higher grade "red beard" ganja from central /south Mx and there used to be many tons of compressed weed bricks coming out of N.E. Mx to Europe back in the 90's, a great smoke you just need lots of it. What happened to all these quality ganjas coming from the new world? nowadays it's all kushs and hazes, homegrown, no more imports, no more charras or gold seals even pollem is unknown with todays smokers. BRING BACK THE OLDSKOOL GANJ stop the psychosis & bring back the Love ;) PEACE.

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  53. The export figures were just as ugly. In 2011, when the price of Brent crude averaged over $100, Pemex’s export revenues hit a historic peak of $49 billion, a monthly average of $4.11 billion. In the first quarter of 2016 the monthly average was just $893 million. That’s a plunge of 78%.

    As Pemex’s exports dwindle, Mexico’s imports of oil and gas continue to grow. Petroleum accounted for two-thirds of last year’s $14.5 billion trade deficit, which was the widest since 2008. During the same year, Pemex managed to rack up $38.5 billion in losses, its biggest ever.

    If anything, the company’s decline is accelerating. This could be bad news not only for Mexico’s fiscally challenged government, which has grown comfortably dependent on the once bountiful proceeds from the oil business, but also for many of Mexico’s biggest banks, which have lent vast sums to the oil major and its huge network of suppliers. As Moody’s warns, if Pemex’s financial health continues to deteriorate, it could be a major source of risk for the banking sector in the months and years ahead.

    This is all happening at a time that Mexico’s economy is showing ominous signs of stagnation. In the second quarter, GDP fell 0.2%, on a drop in industrial output. At the beginning of the year its most important export sector, the automotive industry, began suffering the consequences of gradually softening demand, particularly in the U.S. On Tuesday, Standard & Poor downgraded the Mexican economy’s outlook from stable to negative as the country’s weak growth continues to disappoint.

    Hours later Moody’s did the same.According to Moody’s sovereign debt analyst for Latin America, Jaime Reusche, over the next year and a half, Pemex will need to raise somewhere in the region of $20 billion from the markets just to roll over its maturing debt. But in light of current conditions, “it’s unlikely to raise more than $10 billion.”


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  54. In other words, a very large taxpayer-funded bailout of Mexico’s oil giant is in the cards, especially now that the financial sector is also at risk. The bailout is already underway. In early April, Pemex was given a $4.2 billion cash injection to help tide it over. But that’s a tiny fraction of what will ultimately be required, especially if losses continue to pile up at anywhere near the rate experienced in 2015, by the end of which Pemex owed its creditors a staggering $86 billion. If you include the company’s pension liabilities its debt already exceeds €100 billion.

    The more the fiscal capacity of the government weakens, the greater the risk for Mexico’s banks, many of which are foreign owned. At Moody’s Annual Seminar banking analyst David Olivares warned that if the government does end up bailing out Pemex, its capacity to put out fires in the financial sector in the event of contagion will be significantly diminished.

    Given the banks’ acute level of exposure to Pemex and its suppliers, this could be a very serious problem. That, added to the fact that the same banks have increased their lending to consumers and businesses at a time of sluggish economic growth, was the main reason behind Moody’s decision on Tuesday to downgrade its outlook for Mexico’s banking sector from stable to negative.

    The agency also downgraded the credit ratings of seven Mexican banks — Bancomer, Santander, Banorte, Scotiabank, BanBajío, Banobras and Bancomext — as well as the Institute for the Protection of Bank Savings. Most at risk of exposure to a sudden deterioration in Pemex’s financial health are Mexico’s state-owned development banks, Banobras and Bancomext, which earlier this year were forced by the country’s Treasury Secretary to take on part of the debt Pemex owes to its suppliers.

    It was yet another stealth bail out of Mexico’s now much diminished oil giant. There will no doubt be more to come, but their effects are likely to be little more than palliative. For Pemex the degeneration has already gone too far.
    Venezuela crash coming to Mexico! The gvt needs the narco industry!

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  55. People stop reading blog deal narco y is BB going of what they are posting!

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  56. Chapo and mayo still have the power. These guys are billionaires, with a B in a country that is poor and corrupt. CJNG have balls but but Sinaloa has control and has had balls for a very long time. CJNG is the new fish in a pond that already has sharks...

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    1. I was thinking the same thing.

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  57. Nacho coronel's son was killed in obregon sonora

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  58. Sinaloa and CJNG are partners, remember the Mata zetas Mayo paid for that squad. The kidnapping wasn't such,or the fact that Menchito is in jail, being protected by sinaloa in prison. They all want the same thing, lay low and make money.

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  59. The tigres should make a corrido about all this

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    1. Most of the classic tigres corridos were writtwn by Paulino Vargas, lead singer and accordionist of los broncos de reynosa.

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    2. ...Tigres y Broncos... Oh my!
      We're off to sing about narcos... The wonderful narcos of MEX!

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  60. I personally do not believe anything of this bs story and that starts at the fake kidnapping. RCQ would have butchered Chapo's boys or at least throw them detained in a cave somewhere.

    This fantasy reminds me of the FAKE Broly Banderas story started by the same media. Yet Broly or his identity cannot be confirmed. He was a fake, this story is a fake. This story or fable cannot be confirmed. Chapo's boys are in hiding no doubt because of a assassination coming on and pussy Joaquin told them to run and hide.

    RCQ wants Chapo dead so there is no love lost here nor are there negotiations that ever happened between him or anyone else for the release of his ENEMIES.

    This was a paid for fake kidnapping and fake media response under cartel threat (which is not fake).

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    1. Pussy i think not,he didn't get to the top by being a pussy.I think all these other guys are pussy trying to make a move while he's locked up. Who's the real pussy now

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    2. Well the story you made up in your head it's not real so stop crying because the story is not going the way you want

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    3. Lmfao, an i take it you got a PhD in the cyber narco world. . .

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    4. I believe you are right

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  61. Let's be real, Cds has never finished any wars they start. weak, nob threat..

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    1. Well CDS starts out strong then withers away towards the end. They are like a sprinter who should be running the 100 meters but instead they are running the mile.

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    2. Don't need to. Mex gov does it for them

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    3. Dude they took over juarez they might have lost influence now but they had it for a good minute. And all these guys that they had beef with which of them are still around?

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    4. Chapo Isidro is still around

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    5. Yea, it's tough to go against the biggest informant of a time. El chapo.

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    6. When CDS starts a war with you, that cartel ain't never the same. What happened to CDG, zetas, CAF, Beltran leyva, Juarez. All their leaders gone down in one way or another wether that be from direct CDS action or their influence with th government. Mancha will be next..

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  62. Whatever happened to Los Coroneles?

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  63. I heard on the other side of the grapevine it was all staged and they took them to a set to do a small part in a narco film . My sources say its all connected to Kate . My sources ? Seriously ? You cant expect ...

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  64. Puro show to take the heat off Donald trump visiting mexico

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  65. Facts. Please show your facts. Not talking about "BB" Iam speaking of these cavemen comments on here. I'm looking at this in a neutral stand point. Trying my best to understand all that is going on. No sides taken, then you have an individual who is fan of one cartel. Saying useless information. If comparing to baseball teams. CDS boston red socks. CJND new York Yankees. Both are going to talk useless garbage about eachother. Most about games they weren't there for and act like they were in the room when Boston traded away babe ruth to the yanks. So please leave sports to the sports journalist. And narco news to narco journalist!!! (BORDERLAND BEAT)


    PS... Heard that trump fool made a trip down to Mexico. How did that turn out for him?

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    1. Turn your tv on or pick up a newspaper if you want to know what happen with trump in Mexico

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    2. REALLY ! , right on Mano o mana........does everything have to be a sports analogy ?? jaja.......what a bunch of armchair warriors.
      BTW, I think that the " suprise " factor in Don Pato's visit to EPN is NOT surprising. Can you even imagine if " they " had let that news out ahead of time ? La gente / La Raza would be burnin' down la casa . Takin' it to the streets and they should . Did anyone actually LISTEN to the Dons speech ?
      He is gonna start his own war w the Cartels ! Disgusting and frightening . Not that I am rooting for them , not at all, those sick bastards are ruining half the world.
      EPN is gonna take Mexico down with him at this rate.
      Viva La Raza y Dios Los bendigo

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    3. Well dude I'm the one that made the outlandish comment about the set of a narco film . This whole thing is bullshit . What do you put on a heap of shit ? Answer : more bullshit .

      I also would like to understand whats really happening . I am no fan of ANY cartel or drug dealer . We know a huge portion of the commenters are on here are bullshit and some of the authors maybe . I recall reading where one journalist was all for the "legalization of less dangerous drugs like cocaine . I do believe there are many things I don't know and many things I think I know that could shock me by being wrong . One thing for sure is Cocaine is a very dangerous drug . I have heard the train coming in years past and am very familiar with this drug . Smoked it snorted it shot it. Never did stick it up my ass as I understand some do but I do know it is a very dangerous drug . Anybody who argues otherwise is a FOOL .
      So what really going on ? May not get it right off . May not ever know but enough facts will compile after a you should get a pretty good idea .
      I am with you about the fool going to Mexico . I wont vote for either of the presidential candidates . Trump is a spoiled narcissistic rich boy and Clinton is a sociopathic lying deceiving criminal . I wont be a part of this one .

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    4. most of the crud pebbles people try to pass off as "crack" or "freebase" these days don't even contain more than 10% cocaine, it's methadrone or crank mixed with rubber and yeh smoking / shooting sh*t like that is plain suicide. and people try to say it's worthwhile.

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  66. Los commandos de los Antrax Gente Nueva y ACME estan triste que El Mencho solto a los JR Patrones . porque ellos estaban listos para cortar cabezas del CJNG y El Menzito .

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  67. Esto no se arregla. Va a corer sangre..... nadien te secuestra un hijo y te quedas con las manos cruzadas.

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  68. If it's true they are going to war and cds will be hit from all angles. They need last thing that need is cjng as their enemy. Think what want but cjng has more soldiers than cds. Chapos sons are to flamboyant to be in the drug game and will not last without daddy.

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  69. Thank you Otis for translating this for BB readers. BTW check yur spike email.


    When I read it I was flabbergasted. Seems all this far fetched stuff is originating from RioDoce, usually a pretty reliable Sinaloa source.

    I wonder if there isn't something else going on here? Such as threats against the paper forcing RD to publish this information.

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    1. You are right Gran Señora Chivis. All this seems way to far fetched.

      Maybe the CDS didn't want to take the L because getting 2 or 3 of their top guys scooped up like nothing would make them look really bad.

      I don't know if Menchos son was or wasn't kidnapped in prison. I don't know if Mencho picked up Chapos kids to talk business or kill them. What I do know is that what Mencho did was a straight up POWER move.

      El Nemesis-

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  70. alliances is what today. war is for press

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  71. I like to say thanks Chivis to you and your staff yall do a great job on the information you provide.

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  72. What the hell does it mean to be kidnapped in prison? Are you stashed away in one part of the jail or something? Everyone already knows where you are how are you kidnapped exactly?

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  73. This story is fake as an anthax or chapo corrido haha

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  74. This story is fake as an anthax or chapo corrido haha

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  75. RCQ has no power he lives in a dirt shack and Mayo and Chapo tell him how he gets to live. You really think after Chapo and Mayo running Mexico the whole time RCQ was in jail they are just gonna hand everything back to RCQ? hahhahha doesnt work like that.

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  76. Singer from explosion norteña sung corridos for c.a.f. murdered in rosarito

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  77. Beto Cervantes de EXPLOSION NORTEÑA, FUE ASSESINADO..... D.E.P

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