Tuesday, May 10, 2016

Narco youngsters; they leave their toys and pick up guns

Translated by Otis B Fly-Wheel for Borderland Beat from an El Debate article

Subject Matter: Narco children
Recommendation: No Prior subject matter knowledge required

Los Zetas and La Familia Michoacana were signalled as the cartels that employ the most under age youngsters. According to a report from the portal "24 Horas", every day, there are more minors that leave playing or studying, to participate in illegal acts under the orders of criminal organizations.


El Ponchis, child sicario, alleged to have committed multiple homicides

Reporter: Israel Beltran Baez
Authorities of the Marines (SEMAR), has identified the Los Zetas and La Familia Cartels as those the principally recruit minors into their ranks.

However, they are not the only criminal organizations that recruit children and adolescents, SEMAR has detained minors in criminal conflicts with the law in 12 States of the country, among them, they emphasize Tamaulipas, Sinaloa, Veracruz, Zacatecas, Guerrero, Michoacan, Durango, Chiapas, Jalisco and Nayarit.

SEDENA informed "24 Horas", that the majority of minors detained by the Public Ministry of the Federation, were arrested in relation to crimes of possession of fire arms, drug dealing and possession, and being hawks "Halcones", lookouts, as well as hydro-carbon theft, extortion, possession of stolen vehicles and kidnapping.




Adolescent Women

During the last ten years, the armed forces have detained 4232 minors, among them 485 were women.

In the cases of the detained women, the majority are from the States of Veracruz, Tamaulipas and Zacatecas, while the adolescent men detained are predominately from Nuevo Leon, Sinaloa, Tamaulipas, Guerrero and Aguascalientes.

In a poll taken from the article on El Debate, 73% of those who voted, said they knew a minor involved in crime, in a separate poll in the same article, the majority agreed that education programs will be the most effective way of deterring young people from turning to crime.

Original article in Spanish at El Debate

72 comments:

  1. La mayoría de los jóvenes de nuevo León detenidos son de Monteroca (Monterrey)

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    1. After the Monterrey Tec murders, it was, got, mysteriously easier to turn on most of the borregada, they love their dope now, they don't want to know about "or else"

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  2. Yo enpese de pistolero desde los 7 anios because i had no other choice in mexico either you choose the wrong way o you dont eat
    -pistolero de manuel torrez-

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    1. Hablan ingles o espaniol y no te imagines que eres pistolero.

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    2. 10:16 Sorryeeee, it is called Spanglish, or broken english, because of sompim', evolve honey...
      --if BB posted it, it is because it is good enough, for BB, for you, for me and for all...

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    3. all us arrogant westeners ought take time out to try being more supportive of youngsters at risk of gun crime in the americas. When the only option is crime, there must be something(s) society can do to even the balance?

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    4. Es empeze no enpese y a los 7 years old no te sabias ni limpiar el culo so what chu talking about GUEY?

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  3. Who gives a flip

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    1. me from UK.

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    2. 7:58 that you Otis? Or english zeta, or both one and the same, we on the same boat there...

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    3. Me from NY.

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    4. Not me, if I post you will see my icon, and I'm certainly not, or wouldn't want to cheerlead any cartel so that rules me out as "English zeta"

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    5. Aye, aye, Otis...it is fun to pull your leg once in a while, it may not be your most favorite tea cup...

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    6. Me from California

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  4. Short post Otis, but interesting enough.

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  5. Education programs for young people failed them and themselves, how come some know nothings recommend more "education" to solve problems?
    --I know on the US there are plenty of solutions to problems CREATED BY THOSE WITH THE 'SOLUTIONS' and many times they have even the budget ready, all they have to do is create the problems, from gangs to drug use to early pregnancies to school drop outs...
    --In mexico the government officers just steal the budget, facket, union leaders help, facket, oooh the youngsters need some education, how about some foreign education company or corporativo to help remedy that mexican educaishun problem? It will only cost a few billions and billions of dollars, will even extend credits on our private universities, on line of course, one computer per student, will be more expensive than attending "harvard" in person and probably learn nothing but hey, it is "harvard"...
    --el ponchis was in a beltran leyva operative cell no? In morelos?
    --they all like to have some youngster pushing shit along with them...

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  6. Shoot the little fuckers. Adolescent my ass.

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    1. 7:20 shoot their leaders, make the perversion or corruption of minors a motherfacking crime, and persecute the perps with special recomendations for politicians in the payroll of the cartel involved, shoot them before you shoot "the minors", they hire minors to get away with murder because of pendejos like you

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  7. This contradicts a past post where the assumption was these youths were forced into this lifestyle by threats, not by recruiting. Which is it? Makes you not feel so sorry for them anymore.

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    1. 7:22 there is not one simple single method of recruiting for gangs or cartels, güey...
      --there are tricks or treats all the way every day, no sea pendejo m'ijo...

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    2. Assumptions are just that..not facts but assumptions..so there is no contradiction

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    3. 6:48. You made the assumption with your post. Fact is there are usually multiple ways of doing the samething. Recruiting wether ligit or illegal is one of them.

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    4. Assumptions, contradictions...
      whatever,
      take a sad song
      and make it better.
      --Guess you can't, so,just criticize to your hearts content...

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    5. 7:59 what assumption could i have made..What post are you talking about? Smh.

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  8. Wassappening locos,tontos, y listos,

    Anybody know what the acronym LMV stands for? They been killing el pechugas from cjng's people

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    1. Los Metros Viva. They use the same tag when they mention Metro 3; LMVM3=Los metros viva metro 3.

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    2. @9:55 Thanks! i read that they've been killing CJNG people in Zamora, Michoacan and leaving that calling card!

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  9. 7:20 and 7:22 I see where your coming from . There are so many that want to paint criminals as victims. We have to look at this realistic . I can understand sometimes there may be one forced to participate . Really now , it just wouldn't make sense to run a cartel on forced members . I don't think it could be done . We can say poverty , lack of opportunity and so on ect . The bottom line is where is their conscience ? Empathy for the person they victimize . If they didn't have that to start with what else could they become ? A sociopath is a sociopath . No amount of education can cure that . Freudians tend to say they are sick while people in general call them evil . Generally from Sigmund Freud to the common person all agree that there is no cure for these types

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    1. 8;39-That is 1 of the best comments I have read on here.It makes so much sense.This kids must have an inkling of what they have to do[maybe not outside of Mexico but in Mexico yes]unless they are blindsided by the bling[cash,cars,girls,etc,]yes that too but I still think they know what is involved as a teen and they may even personally know people that have been victimized like neighbours but if they don't have a conscience yes they will join.Of course at that age you don't think too far ahead of perceived consequences with all those raging teen male hormones.

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    2. 8:39 Forced members do exist. Not every 1 inside a cartel is there willingly. Training camps have people that have been kidnapped. Who do think cooks and cleans at these camps? The kidnapped are modern day slaves. You either pick up that weapon or you're stuck doing kitchen detail or police detail. Because the camps are mobile for the most part the staff is small. At least 1 person is sacrificed 2 get everyone 2 understand the consequences of disobeying. Money and big trucks are constantly being dangled in front of you 2 get you 2 join these groups. Again you either join or you're stuck doing some detail for them. Not everyone inside a cartel is there willingly. Thousands of innocent people have been kidnapped and forced 2 be there. Many eventually give in 2 their demands. But many have also died because of their refusal 2 do anything wrong. - El Sol Perdido

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    3. The best comment you have read, canna, leaves out the institutional corruption of the mexican government, the corrupt judges that would administer the justice for these young devil criminals...
      --If Elba Esther Gordillo, "la Chaky" can steal from the education budget, and gets released to her million dollar houses and her millions of dollars in the banks, on the US and in mexico, "because "she is too old" pobresita" and she still can make her daughter a federal senator, and her grandson a federal deputy congressman, and all the politicians get succor and support from the US government no matter what their corruption...
      I think we need to address the causes of the corruption of minors at least at the same time as the youngsters' crimes.
      Meanwhile on the US, I saw the start of drug trafficking in some junior highs, kids selling little bags with kool-aid powders, real cheap, I am sure they were laced, lightly, but laced with other powders, just to get the kids into it, they grew into drug trafficking gangbangers, sociopaths, and gun totting criminals, many of them are dead now...

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    4. This is 7:22. I agree with you. I have often thought of these young individuals as victims with sorrow for them. However, you see it is not difficult for them to kill or harm another. There are people today who wouldn't harm anything at all. As far as poverty, that is a poor reason for them to use to do what they do. Environment, possibly. Education, definitely. The education they receive is what they hear on their news and see in the streets with their very own eyes. Educating them won't help. It is known Mexico has one of the worst education processes of many countries. First you need to find educated teachers before you can educate the youth. All you ever hear is excuses for why they behave as they do. Never do they own up to it. They are only smart enough in the end to say they didn't do it. If they used those smarts in the beginning, perhaps things could improve there. There will be many to dispute this but the fact remains many countries are not like Mexico because the civilians are smart enough to stop it before it starts.

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    5. @4:39 I have yet to see any comment that addresses what I perceive to be the basic problem. A value system that parents instill in their children. Teaching right from wrong is included in that value system. It has to start in the home at an early age and it is a continuous process as that child develops.

      It all starts in the home and what the children are taught there.

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    6. ESP-I would rather do kitchen work than have to torture and kill someone so I guess I would be cleaning outhouses,cooking,etc.

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    7. That is the 'having a conscience ' part DD.It is taught the difference between right and wrong and I think it's a little harder to teach this in Mexico with all the almost normalized corruption and shenanigans that go on in Mexico.I also wonder that some of the youngsters may have been tramatized by PSD and never had it dealt with and that that could be a contributing cause for a 'no conscience' because they are numb to any feeling.Where's MexicoWatcher?We need his expertise.

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    8. On the US, children get corrupted at a very early age in schools all over the country, public and private schools have problems, and they have so discovered that the parents are at fault for what their children learn at school or on the street in spite of all the money and programs...there is always the more money, less students, more magnet schools, more private schools paid with public funds...more snow jobs and BS...from specialists like Common Core...who are just trying to male hundreds of billions of dollars on their tens of billions of dollars they "invest in 'not for profit' benevolent foundations"...
      --What can mexico expect?
      --well, mexican education system products come to the US and wrestle good jobs from some american college graduates, with no english speaking skills, no special schooling or education.
      HOW COME? well, cheap slave labor is one key factor...

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    9. 8:16 i am with you 100%...if those are my choices i would take cooking over killing any day.

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    10. Another thing I thought about later that crossed my mind and interfered with the conscience thing was drug addiction.Now there are more and more of them in Mexico.I have seen perfectly conscientious people when they turn to drugs all conscience goes out the window.

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  10. There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a child with a gun

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    1. i'd say a proven cartel hitter with a chainsaw is more dangerous

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    2. 11:21 stop! I'm getting tempted, my chainsaw keeps calling on me...all the time...

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  11. What a sad country the decent people of Mexico have to put up with. Greed is King.

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    1. Greed is evil. MONEY becomes king.
      Munke

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    2. Greed is King to all the scumbag pieces of shit. Money= Greed. You know that Paco?

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    3. Terrorism in Arabic countries hire minor too this is everywhere even gangs in USA not america .. Ok Billy Bob Johnson Mcdouble III

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    4. 4:09 Pancha, foreign money keeps trumping the best intentions, and corrupting the most corrupt, with weapons, financing, gorillas specially trained, with bombs, planes, helicopters, ships, and rubber bullets that kill men and children, no problem, their money gives bonuses for the assholes to pass laws that make murdering mass protesters LEGAL, ACCORDING TO LEY ATENCO...
      --they finance blegal studies" to pass laws against the corrupt internet users like us, like the ones proposed by senator Muhammar al Fayad...
      --Don't blame money for the miserable evil men that "misuse" it... bless money, punish them...
      --EXPROPRIATE THE MONEY AND THE PRIVATE PROPERTY...

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    5. Like greed is not king in US?) Human nature.

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    6. A'd say impunity is Queen, on the US, and it trumps King Greed and the greedy bastards...

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  12. Contratan los carteles menores de edad porke la ley en Mexico los castiga menos. Pueden atrapar a un chavo de quince anios asesinando a un pendejo y lo meten a la carce y para los dies y ocho anios que cumpla el chavo este sicario sale de la carcel. Es ridiculo pero no todo tiene que cer con la hamvre que tenga el chavo solo son escusas.

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    1. When a minor criminal reaches 18 years of age, he/she should be moved to adult prison, or keep the generations appart, to avoid the older criminals corrupting the younger ones even worse, who needs that? Judges and Lawyers and politicians, that is who...

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    2. You missed a few 5:22..Policemen,correction officers,parole officers,bailbondsmen,drug counselors,lawyers,funeral directors...and im sure there are a few more who ALL profit from the drug business.

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    3. 8:02 I'd keep busy with Elite drug traffickers like chilango epn and Alvaro Uribe and their money laundering banksters, drug capos like el mayo and el chapo or elencho are kind of small chump change, now how about throw me some all american superstar drug trafficking names?

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  13. At this point if the money is good, take the job! Mexico has nothing to offer Cartels do, money, fame, n if you are willing to live a short life go for it. Just don't cry when they catch or kill you.

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    1. Jerks with your way of thinking are why society has become such a sad, sick place all over planet earth.

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    2. That way of thinking reveals your loss of moral compass and christianity.

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    3. To lose your Christianity means you 1St have to have Christianity..not everyone is Christian.

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  14. That's what ISIS do now. Ponchis was under drugs, it's sad.

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    1. Ponchis sisters were under drugs, ponchis cuñao got him involved and he was a blo operator, he was/is one ugly fugly motherfacker you can probably google it...maybe even in BB...

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  15. there is no reform....execute the child cockroach scum as well.

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    1. Better yet use all these cartel scumbags for medical/ scientific research. Give them what they deserve.

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    2. there is such a thing called the "age of reason", it's about 7yrs and you clearly haven't reached that age?

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  16. I'll say this about criminals....i was once a kid, full of rage at the world and wanted to hurt everyone. eventually i acted on it and blasted some people, went away for a long time, and absorbed the prison ethos. then i got out, had a child, went to college and established a career working with highly educated, kind, and caring folks. Now, i give back to society something crazy, mentor kids on the same path i was, and despise everything bad i was. people can and do change for the better. now, i also recognize that what i did is the exception and not the rule, but i for one am happy that no one put in a bullet in my head when i was young, even though i probably deserved it, and i'm sure some of the people i help including kids at make a wish are also glad i wasn't put down. and the people calling these kids roaches and scum, are probably no better than the scum they claim to hate.

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    1. Wow glad you made it 'through the pain' and didn't end up with a wasted short life and were able to come out to the other side.You are 1 of the few luckier 1's and I'm sure you can teach many that will listen.

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    2. 2:29 well chivis, thanks for sharing...
      --Maybe we should release all the grown ass criminals and give them another chance...
      --tell you what, in this world where mother theresa's calzones are hung out for all to see without laundering them, we need to bring down more of the real evil people ruining the world for others, former criminals' stories are ok, but a lot more needs to be done than sharing one Scaredy Cat Scared Straight story...
      Lenin, stalin, saddam's statues came down, how about we bring down some Living Capitalist World Monuments to Corruption?
      --Anybody can wring off the head of a chicken, chickenhawks are harder to do, but there are rewards doing it for the hell of it

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    3. 2:29 . This little boy , you think he will wake up and become a good citizen ? You think he might be a asset At Make A Wish ? Most will say this kid is hopeless . Your saying he needs another chance ? How many lives you think he took ? Were they all criminals ? I doubt it . I am very glad you turned your life around . Some have . I have known of a lot that did but they were a very low percentage in any given area . How about your old crowd . Many of them in their local pta's . I'm curious 2:29 , were you a assassin for hire ? I'm pretty sure you were not of the same heart as this little devil .

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    4. @9:55 why you so mad mijo? get your thoughts together and seek help for that anger problem before you hit puberty. puberty and anger problems don't mix.

      @12:15 i never did the things this kid ponchis did. that is true, but it could've been due to circumstance. i also never walked in that kid's shoes, and my understanding is that he was never loved. i do think he can be rehabilitated because i believe in God. But would i set him free on society if that decision was mine, probably not until he was to old to cause harm, or never. But wouldn't dehumanize him and act like I've walked in his shoes despite the evil shit he has done, and it was evil horrific shit. and maybe I'm being a hypocrite because i don't think i would be so understanding if it was my family member he killed.

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  17. The modern day Toy Soldiers. This is nothing new except the soldiers are fighting against other cartels and not other tribes like in Africa. No matter the skin color or the continent it is still sad.

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    1. There are expensive weapons for "toy soldiers", but $0.25 usd chinese machetes will do the job, when kistalnatch arrives, there will be no advance warning, as there was no advance warning in africa, now being mined by a lot of "chinese minders"

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    2. there's some pictures of ISIS kid soldiers holding heads and crazy shit like that too...friggin world went crazy

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  18. It's been shown that even seemingly good humans can be made to do horrible stuff, just to fit in. see the following website.

    http://www.prisonexp.org/

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  19. Chicano from US

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