Wednesday, November 4, 2015

Mexico Supreme court votes 4-1 in favor of recreational marijuana consumption and cultivation

 Lucio R. Borderland Beat  Reforma, BB archives and Jornada used to write this post



Mexico City. In an unprecedented and historic decision, the First Chamber of the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation (SCJN) validated the "recreational" use of marijuana, planting and consumption for personal use, not including trade, supply or distribution.

In closed session, the ministers were in favor of the measure were A four people to the Federal Commission for the Protection of Health Risks (COFEPRIS) grants them permission to produce and consume the grass.Later the decision was confirmed at a public meeting.

The judgment issued authorizations "for performing acts in conjunction with personal consumption for recreational purposes (plant, cultivate, harvest, prepare, possess, transport) exclusively cannabis (marijuana and seeds).

The resolution "in no way implies the authorization to carry out business activities, or any other provision that refers to the sale and / or distribution of the aforementioned substances."

Public meeting

In the open session of the First Chamber of the Supreme Court,  having the lone vote against  the measure, Minister Jorge Pardo Rebolledo spoke out against the draft prepared by Arturo Zaldivar.

Pardo said that his refusal was because the proposal does not include how one would  acquire the seeds to plant drugs and initiate the procedure that guarantees the right to the protection granted to the recreational use of the herb.

"By excluding this issue, I cannot agree with the proposal."

In 2009 Mexico decriminalization law

The federal decriminalization law, which took effect Aug. 21, 2009 called  for suspects caught with small drug quantities to appear before a prosecutor, who must determine whether the possession was for personal use or trafficking.

The limits included:  5 grams for marijuana (about three to six joints, depending on size) and 500 milligrams of cocaine (roughly five doses, or "lines"). Those found to be users must be released with a referral to health authorities, though it's unclear how many referrals were made or whether they work.

70 comments:

  1. This sounds similar to the gun law in Mexico and applaud Pedro for calling this out and for not voting for it.

    A Mexican citizen may possess certain caliber weapon to defend his family and property.

    The gun law does not state how the citizen can transport the weapon from the place they acquire it or from their first house to the next house a citizen purchases; nor does it state where can citizens acquire the weapon or the bullets.

    The justice department and judges leave it out so people get caught breaking the law and for government to take their liberty, weapon, money, etc.

    Que verguenza dan estos jueces

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    1. Well honey, they are the know-it-all-lawyers, why do you think k it has been said since the days of William Shakespeare "first we kill all the lawyers"?and maybe since before, because Shakespeare is famous for having stolen his master works like einstein, you just can't trust them lost tribe members, I think they just went undercover and never got lost...priceless anonymity...

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  2. Must be nice to carry around coco puffs(joints that have cocaine in them). What a f up government.How in the hell is 5 lines of cocaine legal.? Cocaine has no medical value, plumbing it's very addictive. Also,now they are cutting it with cow dewormers.

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    1. That actually sounds like a rational law any civilized country would have. I mean compared to being incarcerated for something so irrelevant. No wonder America has 25% of the world's prisoners and only 5% of the worlds population. Lol.

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    2. No medical value? It's been used for over a century as an anesthetic. Also the cow de wormer additives are a result of the black market. Legalized and regulated= no dewormer and a safer product.

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    3. So true 10:40 lol

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    4. People get incarcerated in the US to feed the private Corrections Corporation od America Inc and their congenerates, they take great pains to corrupt young students front junior high schools all over the country, it could be said as if by design, by the corporate book, like a CIA operation or sompim...
      --Maybe the US government is just got fed up by the expenses, it is starting to cut into their "cut"...

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    5. Heroin cut... Coca cut... Meth cut... Them gorilla gangs be selling shet to fools in the US. Only they and the drug cartels benefit from it. The others just get sick from consuming toxic waste... That how you wind up in the penitentiary. Pinches bestias hijas de putas

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  3. Pinchis mariguanos HP ya van de gane, a la verga con sus pinchis jotadas

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    1. Mariguanos pero trabajadores e inteligentes pinche naco cerrado de mente.

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    2. Ja-Ja ... ya te kitaron el jale del krystal y del perico pinche güey... Ya te jodistes culero.

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  4. How will this stop cartels exactly? They sell to americans.. whether the mexicans can smoke weed legally or not doesn't really change much does it

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    1. Who said that was the motive behind it? Lol it's as stupid as saying that America is only legalizing weed because cartels are making money off of it. Nope, they're doing it because of It's Medical Value...dummy

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    2. Who said it will?

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    3. What is the medical value of mariguana for somebody that is perfectly sane or WAS until some friends got them addicted?
      --And that was not because of friendship, but about picking the pockets of their innocent uninitiated cherry friends...

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    4. This is meant to focus government resources on sellers and not users. It is still illegal to buy and sell especially large quantities

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    5. 9:36 AM-- The list of medical value in pot is long, well researched and studied. Pain management, for example, is just one of its effective uses. In this case, users don't experience euphoria from cannabis.The veil of chronic pain that they live with is simply lifted, removed from their day, adding to their functionality. More than 30 years of blind studies conducted through Boston University conclude that pot isn't addictive. Addiction kills and is another matter, entirety. However, the causes for addiction are complex and cannot be blamed on a plant. The substance isn't the cause of addiction, as nuts as that sounds. Physically, it takes 3 days under medical supervision to clear the blood of alcohol, narcotics, etc., detoxification is complete at the end of 3 weeks. Despite this, the numbers of drug addicts and alcoholics who go back to using after rehab or who work 12 Step programs are staggering. Why? Psychology and traumas aka "pain." If, you read Dr. Gabor Matte, a world renowned headshrinker, specializing in addiction, you will learn that in Dr. Matte s extensive years treating addicts, he hasn't treated one person who wasn't abused in childhood, which typically results in either PTSD or PTSD Complex. Blame those responsible for hurting children, not marijuana.

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    6. Well Im a single woman and I would say in the dating game that over 30% of men have addiction problems then over 30% of men were abused as youngsters which would be higher than little girls.My own family I have 2 alcoholic sisters[1 has passed from cirrohsis of the liver from Tylenal/alcohol mix-deadly]other 1 lost $150,000 ayear gov job,2 brothers no problems and myself non-drinker,non-drug user and we both had the same parents.

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    7. 5:56 I'm late, but we are not pregnant...
      All the brainy studies look TO ME like so many made up excuses...
      --i understand addiction "to the death" occurs before the death...
      --i do not understand the addiction to selling the almighty "cure-all" drug of choice...
      --my research says drug traffickers ensnare their customers because of addiction to money, from the smallest pusher to the biggest, and they are ensnaring now all the powers that be to get the risk of incarceration or confiscation of their I'll gotten gains, decriminalization will get them home free...
      --Greed is the most pure addiction, everybody should just hold on to their money and not play the greedy drug traffickers game to get the people's nalgas in trouble and get paid for it with legal impunity...
      --It is important to supply the addicted, do it for free, all of it, Mother There$a$...

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    8. "1000 patients with polytoxic drug abuse were interviewed during their therapy about a history of sexual abuse prior to the age of sixteen.

      70% of the female and 56% of the male drug users had been sexually abused as children, 40% of the male and 50% of the female participants had a history of severe sexual abuse with sexual intercourse.

      In over 50% friends or relatives were the perpetrators committed the crime, in no case the parents had.

      More than 40% showed also a history of physical abuse.

      Significantly more drug users than alcohol abusers had a sexual trauma. Especially severe sexual abuse was associated with abuse of hard illegal drugs.

      Furthermore, we could find significantly more symptoms such as autoaggressive and suicidal behaviour, social isolation, reduced emotional binding to others, tendency to be persistently victimized, prostitution and violence against others in the group of sexually abused. "

      (Sexual and physical abuse during early childhood or adolescence and later drug addiction, by Schäfer M,  Schnack B, Soyka M.)

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  5. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/05/world/americas/mexico-supreme-court-marijuana-ruling.html

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  6. OK I will start planting 🌱 mine tomorrow morning 🕗.

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    1. Too late rugfur, former president of mexico vicente fox has cornered the farming, with all needed permits and land grabs and contracts to supply US government approved dispensaries and shit...no room for pistolitas de agua, only Big Mangeras Club...
      --smells like yerba, I mean the big mexican farmers of grifa will have no expenses, compared with american, guess who wins?

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    2. 9:42 AM, RE: Vincente Fox, "A man who's holding all the cards doesn't have to deal a hand to anyone else."

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  7. Only a legalization in USA would do some harm to the cartels

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    1. Not even. Only Legalization of ALL drugs would do damage to the cartel. MJ is chump change for them.

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    2. 10:42. Estimates put Mj at 30% of the cartels profits. Hardly chump change. There's a reason why they traffic tons of the stuff.

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    3. The decriminalization of all drugs is the right way to destroy cartels

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    4. Legalization of drugs in US and/or Mexico means more kidnapping, oil theft, extortion, trafficking persons and murder for hire in Mexico.

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    5. Its all about cocaine, heroin and meth for the cartels. The weed is just so they can bust the loads at the border. I live on the border and customs is always busting marijuana. You never hear about cocaine heroin or meth busts on the border. The capture of mj is only for the u.s to show they are doing there job.

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    6. 30% is nothing compared to 70%. 30% is what you give a silent partner or what a wealthy man gives his kid to spend.

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  8. Does this apply to all of mexico? Like I can smoke weed any were in mexico? Or only certain states?

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  9. Christian Lopez PalafoxNovember 4, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    I dont know if legalization period in general would work regardless of the country. This I think will slow the development in the youth creating a setback, in my opinion

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    1. Not at all. Incarcerating Youth that would smoke it regardless of whether it be legal or not is a GREATER set back. Especially when it's a natural Herb. It's a no brainer. You would just like to assume any move MX does is negative. That's your confirmation bias kicking in.

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    2. Any wagging the tail by the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia is crooked cowardly and corrupt, no way around it, just in case the opium of the people's religion does not cut it, or futbol, or someone smokes el chicharito, there us the smoking of chorizo for you...
      --they legalize marihuana, and they legalize stealing pemex, CFE, mining, gas land, water, privatize national parks, government owned property ecological reserves, indian land, there is also the criminalization of corruption "in the future, a very distant future" that also contemplates no retroactive punishments for any common crimes, against humanity or against the state, and no fines or confiscation of property, but you can smoke all the kool-aid you wafacking want with the BS...

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    3. 9:57 narco mediocracia I love your refrences .
      I smoke plant but I also see that keeping people high and happy is important cause they are too lazy and content to act against abuse by government. I don't know what koolaide I'm drinking but it's really cold and every thing feels awkward.

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    4. " I don't know what koolaide I'm drinking but it's really cold and every thing feels awkward."

      lol

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  10. doesn't mean shit, just means that police no longer have the law on their side when they harass people for getting lit....

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    1. That's a big deal.

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    2. The poolice de todos modos te van a coger aunque no haigas hecho nada, igual que antes, pero ahora se van a ahorrar de plantarte la grifa y les queda mas "revenue" how's about that...

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  11. good less money for the cartels

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  12. This isn't news. Marijuana was basically legal already. Because the Mexican government wasn't going to do anything to rid Mexico of the Drug Cartels. Now the Cartels won't have to spend so much on bribes.

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  13. About DAMN TIME!!!

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  14. It is news. Decriminalization was largely ignored, many regions did not uphold the law or ignored it. this is very different.

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    1. All hell will break loose..watch the scientific documentary Reefer Madness to understand what this devil weed does to people.you will be shocked!!

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    2. Well, we have come a long way from stealing cigarros Carmencitas from our grannies to smoke with ground Mejor Mejora Mejorales...and spending 2 years in prison for having a few seeds of grifa in our pockets as a youngsters.

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  15. Basically any drug legaliziation will be helpful to Mexico however I think that it won't hurt cartels too much. Especially in La Sierra where the climate is good for growing poppies for heroin. I think they'll just switch over the weed for opium growing.

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    1. This transition you speak of has already taken place. Look at the herion overdoses, confiscation, etc....record highs since 2008 according to NIDA

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    2. I think they already have.

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    3. Since the US is winding down the war in afghanistan, opium needs a new home to grow its amapolitas, outside the law of course, but can it compete with meth?

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  16. Its about tiiimeeee... Aaaaajuaaaa... (:*!

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      ):>*÷----~•°

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  17. I hear they are about to legalize cocaine and heroin in Mexico. This is at the demand of the Drug Cartels.

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    1. yu are not understanding what is in this post. All drugs have been decrimnalized since 2009, for personal use and set amts

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    2. I smoke a grip of plant. If I live in mexico I can grow as many plants as I want???
      Hell if they make it legal or easy for citizens to carry firearms I'll move there.
      I already get harassed and pulled out the car and slammed on the ground for not being white.
      I might as well move to the motherland at least if I get harassed there is no racial motive behind it. Cops need a mental evaluation.

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    3. i have seen ppl incarcerated for small amounts of mariguana in mexico... i know what is supposed to happen but why do ppl get locked up for small personal amounts if its decriminalized? what am i missing?

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    4. then they had a horrible atty and are stupid.. it is federal amparo that supersedes state law. they must have had more than federal limits. people may be arrested but freed if the amounts are within the limit. this has been since 2009. smaller towns still do not know the law, which necessitates an amparo filed protecting a suspect against prosecution.

      all that aside, police can "add/plant" a larger qty whereas they would be prosecuted for trafficking. mexico is corrupt. there are a hundred scenarios that could happen.

      since you say the "people" you know were arrested with small amounts, I am assuming planting by corrupt police, was not in this story, so he or she should have filed for protection.

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    5. The mordida is about 90%cheaper than a lawyer and court and prostituter states attorney and two or three levels of judges handling your case and appeals for 8 years and shit...

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    6. Horrible atty?
      They should have hired Johnny Cochran

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  18. That's nice. It has little bearing on cartels tho'. They aren't into small sales or street deals. They concern themselves with bulk volume or weight for transport. Small sales will continue as a lot of people are in no position to grow their own and even if you give your friends some of your home grown, that law will get you for "distribution".

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  19. This opens the door to legalization but we are not quite there yet. This ruling applies only to the four specific people who brought a suit all the way to the Supreme Court. The won the case on human rights grounds. The ruling can also successfully be used as precedent by others that want to appeal the law. I think the law says that after four more successful appeals on the federal level, the Mexican Congress will have to change the laws for everybody. I am looking for the Vicente Fox connection to these people...

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    1. 11:22PM, that's really good to know, thx.

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    2. Mexicans do not have money to spend on too much lawyering, and when they hire a lawyer, he makes sure to make every drop of your blood count for their fees and the kickback to the states attorneys...
      --It all gets smoothly out of the way with just a little timely mordida, no problemo...

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  20. Good on Mexico 4 clearing the air once & 4 all. Rec users may get less hassles from ill intended policias now every one knows their rights, which is a plus. But, like Chivis says, the cops can be very dirty, they could always plant larger amounts on people. Weed is bread and butter for the cartels, the rest is gravy. More Mex pot is smoked in N. America than any other source despite Canadian grown exports. Granted, decriminalization of personal use doesn't put much of a dent in cartels profit margins. Legalizing spacepowders, however, certainly would. That would be the end of the narcos free ride around the world: LEGALIZATION.

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  21. ..all I know is my husband was just released last week from federal prison, after serving a 16 year sentence, for cocaine trafficking and possession. Which was originally a 35 year sentence, reduced on an appeal. Now,that law has finally seen, that sentencing laws were too harsh, and released thousands of other inmates, like my husband.... Maybe things are going to change for the better, when it comes to sentencing and how low level drug dealers are being sentenced in our courts. Sounds like Mexico got it right this time!

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    1. Just because they release your drug trafficker it means drug trafficking is right or having his ass in prison was wrong...
      --there are plenty jobs on the US for real men that want to support their families without risking their freedom or their presence with their beloved family, but no, faking it was more interesting and important...

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  22. Man, that's some trippy hate you got going on, 10:02 AM. Buddy paid his debt to society, back off!. Drugs possession, even sales, don't warrant prison time, community service is a better choice. If, you like digging ditches and flipping burgers, you can get a job in the US, but you'll need a resume.

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    1. 5:04 I did not sentence the barrabas to 35 years, that was his sentence, he earned it, and did not serve it, he had 19 more years to do, for trying to live like a "king" for a little while...I do not gamble, and would not gamble anything on drugs or just grifa for all the gold in the world, when you lose your gamble, you pay, you are the pendejo loser.

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