Monday, March 30, 2015

Mama the Zetas have kidnapped me , Brandons Story

Translated for Borderland Beat from a Valor Por Tamaulipas article by Otis B Fly-Wheel


Mother, Los Zetas have me, in a concentration camp to train Sicario's.

The telephone rings

"Hello?"

"Mother hey you hear me ok?"

"Brandon?"

"Yes Mother, listen well please"

"Brandon, what's happened?"

"Mother the Zetas have kidnapped me, I love you very much, take care and pray for me, because I might not leave here alive."

"But how?"

"Goodbye Mother, I love you."

"!Brandon?"

The phone rang off, fourteen seconds that can change a life completely.



On the morning of 6th of February of 2008, Brandon Hernandez Salgado, 35 years of age took his last three pants, three shirts, a jacket, the hundred dollars he had saved in 8 months and left the house.

Without wife or children, to abandon the poor, dry village where he was born, was easier for the young electrician as had many of his friends. Who for years endured in silence the poverty of Huehuetango, Guatemala, until they were sick and walked towards the United States.

He closed the front door, walked along a dirt patch, and used a public telephone to call his Mother, Amelia Salgado to advise her, not to ask permission like he usually did, that day would begin their journey towards Phoenix, Arizona, where he could get work as a gardener in the mansions of Maricopa County.

With a calm voice Brandon explained the route to his Mother, Chiapas, Tabasco, Veracruz, Tamaulipas, and finally the United States. He spoke, Amelia recounted, as if this was not a trip where thousands die each year, he was carefree, relaxed and joking.

"When I arrive Ill call you, every three days ill update you, and when I arrive in the United States, ill start to send some dollars. Equally if the see me as handsome, maybe they will make me an actor eh?"

"Well Mom I'm sorry to tell you about it this way, but its easier this way", said Brandon that morning from the pubic payphone.

He had no idea how dangerous it is to cross Mexico.

Brandon crossed his countries frontier and arrived in Arriaga, Chiapas, on the 7th of February 2008, he ate and slept near the train tracks for six hours, until the "Bestia" train arrived and woke him up. Ne decided to watch first and see how the experienced people knew the secrets of how to tackle the train that cripples people.

Brandon felt ready, he trotted alongside the moving train, took hold of a hand ladder attached tot he wagon, he was picked up by the force of the train, and he started to climb, he got to the back of the train called "the beast", and tied his belt to the train roof to stop him falling onto the tracks if he fell asleep.

La Bestia, the train that Brandon rode on


Brandon smiled, the first part was done.

He arrived at Tenosique, Tabasco and from there called Amelia to say that all was going well, that he hadn't been assaulted or extorted and that, sometimes its that Mexico has turned into an insecure country, that's a Government strategy to keep people from leaving Mexico to go to the United States.

He told me, "Mom, this is very easy, just hop on the train and it takes you right to the North", I just asked him to be careful, do not be crazy, recalled his Mother.

The next stop was Amatlan de los Reyes, Veracruz, where it is assumed that Brandon would stop along the way, and ask for bread and water from women activists called "The Bosses", and sleep a bit to regain strength and get out of the 41 degree heat in the zone, then continue on his way.

But he vanished, Brandon never called his Mother back that day, on February the 9th, 2008, the young electrician found out the terrible truth on the news was real.

The report F-36211/2008 of the National Civil Police of Huehuetango, Guatemala gives an account of what happened on those day when Brandon fell out of touch with Amelia.

According to testimony consulted by the Agency, within 10 kilometres of Amatlan de los Reyes, an armed group identified as part of the criminal group Los Zetas, boarded the train and forced 20 migrants to disembark. Three protested and were immediately shot and killed. The rest were resigned to their fate. They were tied left hand to left food and hooded, then forced into a van, and moved towards an area known by locals as "El Martillo" "The Hammer", a drugs field that operates as a concentration camp.(Otis: see Chivis article on one such camp close to where Brandon went missing)

Zetas training camp outside of Veracruz


Here all the stories have in common the seal of the Zetas violence. The hostage were made to work 20 hours a day planting and harvesting drugs under a blazing sun, with little water and almost no food. If they got tired , protested or were sleeping more than allowed, they would get beaten with wooden boards until their ankles were broken, and one time shot and buried nearby in clandestine fosa.

The Authorities call them hostages, because technically they could be rescued, but this assumes they were kidnapped for ransom, and the family would get a call for money in exchange for release, but these men were kidnapped to become slaves, working for some potential economic gain for their captors to buy their freedom.

That's what the Guatemalan Police presumed happened to Brandon on February the 9th 2008, that he was forcibly recruited by the Zetas, who held him for three months, and sometime in May of that year, he got out of sight of his captors found a phone and dialled home.

The telephone rings

"I was cooking, it was horrible, just horrible, I had not slept for weeks with the worry of knowing nothing, why haven't you called me Brandon?" The phone rang and I knew it was Brandon, expecting the news that he had been kidnapped, recalled Amelia.

Brandon told his Mother about his predicament in 14 seconds, she fainted. When she regained consciousness, she went to the Police, and they raised a missing persons report, but warned her to start saving for his funeral, because if the Zetas realized Brandon had called anyone, they would kill him.

"I thought that if he could pick up a phone, maybe he had escaped, and instead of saving for his funeral, I thought I would save up and make him a nice meal when he returned.

2008,9,10,11, and 12 passed then in 2013 with no news of Brandon, Amelia travelled three times to Mexico to plead for a breakthrough in the investigation.

Since then she has not been sleeping or eating, or living, she has lost 20 kilos in weight, sadness swirls in her eyes, and she talks only of investigations, crime records, the Police, the missing, Brandon is always the topic of the conversation and the "unfortunate".

The unfortunate, are kidnapped, they hold them and tell no one, all by themselves they must pay his ransom, however much his ransom is I'll find it, Amelia said to me in March during her first telephone conversation with me.

The second time was in April, she said that all was usual, that she felt in her heart, as had happened to her rarely, that Brandon would soon arrive at her home again.

"My Brandon, already he's coming this guy, I can feel it, I feel it here, in my heart, that this guy is coming. I imagine he is tired, that he is not the same, but he is my son, and I'm going to receive him with a lot of love, said Amelia now 68 years of age.

The third occasion was two weeks later, on the other end of the phone, Amelia's voice sounded metallic, hard and distant.

"How nice that you called me, they already found Brandon....."

"Are you serious! how is he, is he well?"

"No they found him in a clandestine grave",

"Amelia ?"

" Yes, I don't want to talk."

"I understand Senora."

"Goodbye and thank you."

"Goodbye,"

Now there were 12 seconds.

The National Civil Police of Guatelmala, said that there was testimony from someone that had stayed with Brandon during his kidnapping and the hands of Los Zetas, he confirmed that he had been put to work for the past three months at "The Hammer", until a problem arose, probably the phone call, caused him a beating and to be sold to another cell of criminals.

To save his life, Brandon had been working as a Sicario in Nuevo Leon, until a gun battle in Cadereyta when he was killed by a rival group from "El Chapo" Guzman and the Sinaloa Cartel.

Only Brandon knows how much time he spent working as a Sicario to pay for his release, if he had more work with the mafia, if you were close to being released or if it was true that someday they would release him, we only know that the was found in April of 2013, he had been shot three times, two of them in his head which killed him instantly.

The only certainty is that Brandon did return home to Huehuetango, as predicted by his Mother Amelia, but he came back branded a Zeta, with closed coffin and his face unrecognizable. The day after his funeral his Mother Amelia ran away from the family home where she had waited for five years for the return of her son alive.

The telephone rings

Amelia doesn't answer the phone


Original article in Spanish at Valor Por Tamaulipas

Otis: I found this human interest story quite moving, you can become numb to the violence as its never ending where one more death means very little to most, until you read the human tragedies behind these deaths.

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    1. So if this is true and they know the story they keep coming. Sounds like BS to me he came to join the Z

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    2. Sometimes it's fun to be a troll but there are times where you just need to pay people their respects and keep your 5 year old bullshit thinking to your self

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  2. Damn, that's sad. Fucken scum! They'll pay for this sin dearly in this life and the next. D.E.P. Brandon.

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  3. Damn this is crazy makes me think about the stupid little things i bitch about and how i complain about life wen i have problems. Vey good article thanks for sharing BB

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    1. He could have stayed home with the family that loved him and tried to do what he could to make his little section of the world better.

      This is sad, but we should never say abandoning your family or your people in distress is the right thing to do..

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    2. I kinda admire that attitude "well it work ain't gonna come to me so I best go get it myself" something many people feel in these times - also not many people knew how real and dark the dangers were of travelling in the zones of Zetas (and other groups) back in 2008 it seems like only in the last few years these things have been emphasized in the mainstream media. I would love to visit Mexico! But I think I'll give it a break for a while... maybe forever? Shame...

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    3. --- "This is sad, but we should never say abandoning your family or your people in distress is the right thing to do.. " ---
      It looks to me like this guy (QEPD) never wanted anything to do with Zetas or any other criminal group or crime. It might seem like he "abandoned" his people but he certainly didn't do this in order to commit crimes with Zetas! My point is, some people DO walk off and join these groups, sad but true, I even know some *successful* people (full-time employed, own apartment, money in bank, family etc. etc.) that have done similar things and are now rotting in a Latin American jail for the next 15 years... nice. The real cost of all this evil is far higher than what we are told. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? please, no "kill them all" b.s. like that "legalize narcotics" etc. it's all b.s. people need to look deeply inwards and see the knock-on effects of their actions. The solutions are right here, we've just got to accept that ultimately we are in control of our lives and there is a GOD ultimately that *will* punish those who used their lives to wrong others. WE are the solution. ALL OF US.

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    4. The best solution for all of Mexico's and Latin American countries is to have Job opportunities that pay far more descent wages! I live in El Paso Texas across the border from cd Juarez MX until recently considered the most dangerous city in the world and I am all too familiar with the unfair pay that these countries have. For example: I have a cousin that lives in cd Juarez and works in a maquiladora (factory), there and only gets paid 800 pesos a week there. That's the equivalent of about 35 U.S. dollars a week take home pay. She's been there for at least four years.
      I know that people are going to start saying that she should study more and get a degree and blah blah blah, but the fact of the matter is that she as well as many others have studied for years earning the Mexican (or any other Latin American), equivalent of a "Diploma" - NOT repeat NOT a "GED" equivalent! FYI the maquiladora that my cousin works in is American owned - G.E if you must know.
      When you have this situation with the maquiladoras as well as other foreign companies like Walmart, MC Donalds, Peter Piper Pizza among others setting up shop over there and paying those people these kinds of wages it comes to me as no surprise that desperation gets the best of people like Brandon where he is forced to leave his native country and tries to come into the U.S. where the pay is much better, although he himself was en electrician by vocation.
      Think about this also;
      Even though many others choose (willingly), to join the Cartels this should also not surprise too many people in the U.S. when you consider that the U.S. intentionally conquered and stole Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California land a little over a century ago from Mexico. After all this abuse that the U.S. gave Mexico as well as the abuse many of its corporations are giving the Mexican people now with their low wages, a vary small percentage of Mexicans in general find it hard not to try and get at least a little even by sending drugs to the U.S. and letting some idiot Americans dye consuming drugs.
      These are the facts coming from someone that has seen all these events (with the exception of the conquest), I'm describing first hand, LIKE THEM OR NOT! Which of course I know many of you readers will not but.... so what?

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    5. Dude,can you cry me a river?Its a cruel world for everyone sometimes,not just whining Mexicans like you always blaming the US?Dont forget we are the world,we are the children,all together now..

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    6. 6:50 you was there for the conquest of mexico, no te hagas...

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    7. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California was not "stolen" they were "acquired". I believe Santa Anna signed over any claim to Texas in exchange for his life. California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, portions of New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming were ceded to the US as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago. I believe the Mexican government received 15 million dollars for the land so I wouldn't say the those lands were "stolen".

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    8. @650pm I just got an erectile dysfunction to think that people are so naive.....Look many Americans don't give a shit because they live on the American empire. They only care about things getting done , not about the victims capitalism creates....I have rich friends that like cocaine do you think they care about mexico and all the death folks that it took for that coke to make it to the USA? ??hell no....or about the cheap gasoline for the mercedez, or the Chinese slave made iphone 6, or the illegals mowing their lawns??? No they don't care...why because is convenient.

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    9. 2:56 So many people spend their lives whining about the mexican whinies, and bitching about the righteousness of the pax amerikkkana, and about all the everythin' very good from the US and you just care and declared and confessed that the truth is it is all true and the US just does not give a rat's ass...
      That is snitching, ok?

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  4. Wow. What a story. Cartels and Narco's are sooo cool huh guys? Gotta love the gay man crush all these cats have for these scum.

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  5. Ka$her De $AN ANTo, TxMarch 30, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    Pinche vato could have escaped if he wanted to he probably got addicted to the life come on if ur a sicario ur out and about could have ran to Marina or somebody

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    1. I agree. This story goes on a little too long, that is, into too many details. Relocating to another city and getting involved in killing others? I smell B.S.

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    2. What if they told him if u leave we will go get ur family.He knows they are not fuking around.so wat is he supposed to do

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  6. Concentration camp ? No margaritas ? No pool ? No Beach , Concentration camps in Mexico where there is little to no foliage to be exposed . Poor Brandon :( and all the others missing migrants to store owners , taxi drivers, that have went missing at the hand of terrorists . Welcome to Mexico. I hear the Hitler mustache is making a comeback in Mexico.

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    1. Seems like thats what they need! an iron fist! to end all those fcken cartels once and for all! .. mexico letted the cartels get too big and powerfull, they need something like the Hitla mustache to put order on that bad bitch!

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    2. 12:19 Yep, like because of the deeds of some 20 arabs, American Civil liberties are getting eroded, 700 000 Iraqis died, people got waterboarded, and the "evidence" gets blacklined, made secret of state for 30 years, cost the US 6000 more deaths and hurt and maimed, and trillions of dollars of more debt... iron hand to the people, yeah...

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    3. The Cartels r here to stay, for Mexico this is normal. If u r poor u will suffer. If u r a politico u get rich and buy a house in San Antonio

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    4. The above comment is true . Sad but true. All out greed now surpassed drug war.

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  7. LOS TAMAULIPUERCOS ZETAS ARE THE TRASH OF MEXICO THEY DO HORRIBLE THINGS TO INNOCENT PEOPLE JUST NUKE TAMAULIPAS NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF THAT STATE , P.S IM FROM SAN LUIS POTOSIN

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    1. But we except

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    2. San Luis putosi is also fucked up, and they have no border...

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    3. You must be a newbie because you are writing in all caps. Either that or you are purposely trying to get Chivis's blood pressure up so she will make an appearance in the comment section. You don't want to make her mad. Just a friendly warning. Te amo mucho Chivis.

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    4. @8:12 thanks, Chivis and I appreciate the love...

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  8. I don't believe this shit.forced to be a killer my ass

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    1. you dont believe? whats not to believe? i do christian charity work and i have a mother who is under mycare who was molested along with her daughters while the father was forced to watch. the medications work quite a bit of the time but other times she must be completely restrained. shall i go on?

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    2. Why don't you believe it? They could threaten to kill him and his whole family if he didn't do as they say..

      What would you do? Most people would do what they had to to keep their family safe.

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    3. thats how it is...put ur self in his shoes...you can be killed like a dog...or work in whatever will keep u alive...u will be suprised what you will do to keep your heart beating...i know many people who got fucked over like this...never in million years would they willingly be like this...but after getting their asses kicked turned into monsters...i ask why don't you get out of it...and they can't...they feel obligated or some shit like brainwashed...true and sad story...the world is a fucked up place...

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    4. That's true. Imagine his plan was to become a zeta in mx all along.

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    5. This guy doesn't mince around,give us your opinion now..
      Nah it's true though,most of the time it seems its the women of old Mexico who suffer for loss of a loved one?

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    6. Your a pendejote, what would you had done if you have had a gunbarrel up your ass?? he was guatemalan he was probably one of those ignorant persons, what could he do in a country that he doesn't know?

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  9. Bullshit bb propaganda against the Z's

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    1. 7:56 original in Spanish at Valor for tamaulipas...
      BB has no personal beef against the zetas, some of which are even considered muy guapos here...

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    3. I only translate what is in the Mexican press that week. If all the articles on a particular week are about zetas, that's what is on our front page, CDG had heavy coverage recently, as did the Michoacán Cartels and auto defensas. No one is singled out , there is no other agenda, than to report what the latest stories are in Spanish language Mexican News.

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    4. propaganda? this is a fact what zetas do. and even if it was propaganda, who fucking cares? it's a goddamn degenerate organization that houses rapists, serial killers, and drug addicts. and for you to be on zetas side makes you an absolute scumfuck. alright, boy?

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    5. the public likes the Z

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    6. Some public men and women and a few he/she's like los zetas, not every body has to be "nice" to them zetas, much less volunteer. ..
      --The propaganda against the zetas, they did it to themselves when they went around murdering in san fernando or allende, and that is only three massacres...

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    7. 2:30 the public likes the zetas only more than the government who is at the bottom no matter what they do, or how many people they kidnap or kill

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  10. This explains why the Zetas have so many young. It has been said time and time again that their members are initially forced by threat to participate. Hopefully this story will expand further than BB and get more people involved in dissolving the cartel nonsense. This is why I strongly feel death should be brought upon their leader when caught, There should be a law in place. No one would be so quick to fill that empty seat if that was the case. RIP Brandon Very infrmative story. Explains many unknown facts to the readers. Thank you for posting this.

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  11. Those guys are garbage!

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  12. Someone I know was kidnapped and forced 2 work for a certain cartel. Eventually he escaped. He only talks about the experience when he drinks. And even then everything is said in whispers. Fear grips him horribly. So yes this is happening.

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  13. The WARNINGS are out there, Mexico is dangerous STAY AWAY! But know Brandon didnt listen, he risked it n lost...Pay attention people DONT TO MEXICO!

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    1. I don't think much of Mexico is any more dangerous than anywhere else. If you stay away from drug plazas and known hot spots, a lot of problems come when people travel at night, or cross boundaries real or imagined between plazas.

      All these routes are kept under permanent surveillance by Halcones, so if you are not recognised , and are crossing plaza borders, you might get checked out, either by sicarios or municipal police, which are pretty much the same thing. Either can lead to something bad happening.

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    2. Hey Otis , that's the catch , avoid here , there , do not travel at night. Geez, most modern countries with automobile manufacturing facilities and technology and all the rest . I guess the times of the road warriors have came to mexico . Rulers of the wasteland , lock your doors hang up the garlique over the door and hang onto your crucifix until sunrise.

      Keep the articles coming. Peace

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    3. I am with you tell that to Harry Divert's family . & the families of the missing immigrants and families of from : missing Americans project website.

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    4. Missing Americans should never crossed the border, how can you blame a country that almost lawless? It aint there fault its the travels fault crossing over the danger zone.

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  14. Its pretty simple to avoid tragedies such as these. DONT cross the border illegally.

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    1. Brandon didn't cross the border illegally, but you already know that.

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    2. It's alright saying don't cross the border from our point of view? Try theirs?
      Brandon D.E.P,sorry you didn't make it.
      This story is what we know,the rest is conjecture about his motives..

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    3. when you are in a country that is actively being torn apart by more than 10 militarized criminal organizations that commit multiple murders daily and has the country's army to it's knees, anyone would take all measures to get out of that situation. the process of legal immigration is a long process that is, for the people of mexico, the difference between life or death. if you were in that situation, you would probably try to get out of your own country by any means too, dumbshit. yeah, i said it, you're a dumbshit and a knuckle dragger. from an american to probably another ignorant american.

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  15. Damn these assholes make ANYBODY become a sicario! Theyd recruit or kidnap a man with a cane to be one! Theyd say hey we can rig up blow darts to his cane lol! All them bastards need to be shipped to the middle east!

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  16. The point of the story is not so much what happened to the young man, he was probably able to cope with mental effects of what was happening. It was the torment that his mother went through not knowing whether he was dead or alive.

    Every one of these Sicarios at some point had a mother. Most mothers will always love their sons, no matter what they do, thats just how nature made mothers. So no matter if he was kidnapped for slavery or for money exchange, the real story is the tragedy that the families have to deal with. All over Mexico

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  17. According to insight crime migrant kidnapping is up 1000% in Mexico. Just show what immoral unscrupulous bastards narcos are. Every cartel is the same just cos cds allegedly don't kidnap or extort doesn't make them any better than the zetas chapos greed and wanting a plaza on the border is what kicked most of the horror off in Mexico that midget fuck is no better than z40 mencho tuta or any other demonic fuck. Don't give me any of that old school trafficker bull shit hes no hero just a murderous drug dealing killer nothing to idolise. He allegedly used to kill mules himself that were LATE delivering drugs never mind the fuckers skimming money off him. Every cartel are nothing but parasitic bullies preying on the weak and vulnerable

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  18. The only way that Mexico will ever be peaceful is when it's politicians and majority of the people stop giving in to material possession and ego, and they should work for the good of the country.

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    1. Yeah like go to a convent and self flagelate...people do not need to go to a convent to do that anymore, same thing about beating the monkey...
      -- this is all government corruption...from very rich "politicians"

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  19. He should have tried coming to the U.S. legally

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  20. This story is sad and unfortunately all too common in Mexico recently. The real problem here though is "The Beast", and it's so obvious.
    This train is an absolute free-for-all. People hanging on everywhere and anywhere,
    vulnerable and unprotected. If they want to travel north for free, they have to ride the beast which is perfect for the cartels as there is a steady stream of people to victimize and there is no confusion about where to find them. The Beast is like a mountain river filled with salmon, the cartels are bears. They can literally go down to the river and feast on fish all day long if they want.
    The solution is a robust security plan for the Beast. Funded by the Govt and railroads jointly to ensure safe passage of goods and No Unauthorized Passengers. This would be a big undertaking but would increase security and take a revenue stream away from the cartels.
    Mexico's new policy of transporting only unrefined fuel in the pipelines is already putting the squeeze on cartels like the Zetas. With fuel theft revenues drying up,
    don't expect the easy targets of "The Beast" to be forgotten by the cartels anytime soon.

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    1. Compa hay un documental about this de Vice. In Nigeria los negros can refine crude quick and dirty. I believe that Los Zetas will learn how to refine crude and the Mexican Government shipping crude will only lose more money because Los Zetas will be stealing a purer product (crude).

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  21. Isn't it funny-curious-strange that Honduras, el salvador, guatemala, the evil axis that hosts so much US military, intelligence, resources and the school of the assassins, has provided so much help in Kaibiles and illegal immigrants to mexico's zetas, la bestia and the US?
    --Why more mexicans are not being brainwashed into coming to the US?
    --anyway, welcome to modern slavery...on the veracruz ranchos where the CIA/DFS cabal were training the contras and shipping drugs to the US on CIA contracted planes of general Richard secord, Air America and co. later known as el señor de los Cielos air force and TAESA of the hank rohn's...and downed planes of operation Mayan Jaguar used as an excuse to fund the militarization of the mexican "polesia nazional" under mando unico GESTAPO IN MEXICO...

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    1. very true my friend good post

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  22. Why would he take the train from Arriaga to Tenosique which is south back towards central America?

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    1. Because from tenosique to arriaga it travels north?

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  23. A Brandon from Guatemala? Sounds sketchy

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    1. 9:18 Many people in central america and all over Latin america give their children foreign names, like "Lajenny", or Iván to ivonne, others tint their hair blond...since that look may help them get a better life, like la parca de america, laura bozzo, televisa adores her skanky ass...

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  24. It ain't just Mexico where the kidnappings happen. I worked with a Mexican-American guy in Northern California. His uncle lives in the L.A. area and was kidnapped and taken across the border. The criminals wanted $250,000, but they took $50,000 and released him. He's back in L.A. and refuses to have bodyguards, so the dumbshit will likely get kidnapped all over again.

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  25. Way to treat the other poor Latinos looking for a better life ... f'ng Mexico!

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    1. 11:28 mexico is not the guilty party as a whole, mexican criminals in cahoots with their government and amerikkkan operatIves are the guilty parties...you would see that if not for the brainwash ...

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    2. Way to go Mexico,he would have been safer anywhere else in S America or the US where he was trying to get to

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    3. Manic mil,yeah brainwash?Brain transplant?

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    4. Millie is to blame. He/she is always the first to blame the US for other countries dispair. Run for public office Millie you would be a top notch politician. Blame blame blame. Deny deny deny. Never take responsibility for your own actions. Mexican Tea Party started and led by Millie Vanillie.

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  26. CRY ME A RIVER, SAYETH THE PROPHET OF THE HIPOCRITES, el mil mascaras full of shit!!!

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  27. This is nothing we have not heard of before...many have died for refusing to be a part of that life.Those who do not believe this, are in denial, it's very real. The 72, who were killed, were killed for this very reason! Denial doesn't make it any less real...it just adds to the problem

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