Thursday, April 3, 2014

But for Autodefensas, Success Against Templarios Would Have Never Happened



"autodefensas exhibited a deep knowledge of the countryside to locate The Templario leaders and fight them on their own ground." 
 
It is a quieter course in Michoacán since the federal government decided to shift its anti-drug policy. However it should be noted that this change of direction would not have occurred if autodefensas had not pressured for the liberation of entire towns from under the control of Caballeros Templarios.

The promise of autodefensas groups to liberate all the municipalities in Michoacán from organized crime, combined with stance that this is an group of armed civilians willing to die in order to secure their liberation and security.  This action forced the Peña Nieto government to take action. Up to then, the government had been taking no action against organized crime, and crimes against the population, while comfortable implementing the  same strategy of military and police combat handed down by  Felipe Calderón and which had already shown signs of failure.

The Government's agenda was to use autodefensas and then halt the spread of autodefensas groups
Autodefensas are groups  made up of professionals, ranchers, agribusinesses and  laborers, exhibited a deep knowledge of the countryside to locate  Templarios leaders and fight them on their own ground. Their strategy was similar to that of the modern guerrilla, which attacks and advances, freeing territory.

Their success and social sympathy  were seen as a serious threat by the federal government, which feared that their example might be replicated in other parts of the country where a similar situations of control by organized crime persists. Government strategists decided to use the power and knowledge of the autodefensas, use  them on the frontline of the battle against The Templarios and accompany them with the presence of the Federal Police and the Army.

In plain English, they sent autodefensas in to do the dirty work. (While taking total credit for great strides)

Government publicly ignored autodefensas help in Chayo's capture
Dr. José Manuel Mireles, autodefensas leader and spokesperson, reports they were the ones who provided the information that Nazario Moreno, El Chayo, was alive and where he was operating, however the Peña government would not recognize it and claimed total credit in  discovering the leaders location and his subsequent capture.

The self-defense groups were used by the federal government through an agreement which feigned to give them legality. Now that they are no longer useful, the government is putting them aside and accusing their leaders of being members of some criminal gang.

In a perverse game, Peña government envoys headed by Alfredo Castillo have taken advantage of the personal stories and internal divisions of the autodefensas groups to sap their strength.

Today some  people doubt the legitimacy  of this armed social movement, the only entity  that has been capable of confronting a cartel head on  and recovering vast territories that the criminals had under their control.

Autodefensas groups continue advancing in Michoacán. They already have a presence in one-third of the state. The government of Enrique Peña Nieto has unsuccessfully attempted  disarm them. 

However, by everything known indications are that it will  be a long time before/if the government can succeed in bringing them down, because one of the causes that led to breakdown in Michoacán is still in place: the high corruption of the state authorities and the ongoing complicity with organized crime that many of them maintain.

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67 comments:

  1. Mexican government will screw the only good thing goin in mexico up ( autodefensas ) Once that happens itll be business as usual again. Sad.

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  2. So these snitches want to be glorified. They led the milatary to capture the bad guys.... Ya they're over there - now go get them. So what.

    Last I remember, they weren't killing the CT's not until the gov got involved.

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    1. U sir are an idiot

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    2. A little bitterness there? Whats wrong, yourC.T. buddies don't snitch each other out? Is that why many tucked their tail and all of a sudden want to b ed come A.D.

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    3. And so are you with that pathetic rebuttal - my good man

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    4. It takes alot off balls to do what the A.D have done so far! As far as your C.T. buddies kidnapping unarmed children and taking their organs is the most cowardly and sick thing I ever have heard! Your lucky the Poeple didn't just hang all members of C.T. by a tree!

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    5. @4:24pm

      Sorry templario fan girl.

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    6. 9:08 pm. You believe everything you read, so if you read that your brother or sister, even ur best frd where doing stuff like would you believe that? They never kidknapped lil kids to sell there organs, they respected woman and children, unless they messed up bad but children never, la tuta would buy uniforms and school stuff to kids who where poor, the area he had in commaned never did I hear of extortion or kidnapping or people stealing, all that bad saying about the templars was part of the plan so people would start hating them and join the AD

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    7. 6:39 that is why you go and get an amparo and fight in court, giving money to the poor lime the puta tuta, or running and hiding like el chayo and kike plancarte, does not help your case.
      The satanic satanization of the ct would not have worked so wonderfully if they had shown their faces instead of running away and burning electrical facilities and gas stations.
      Those that remain in michoacan as paragons of corruption set their traps very well...

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  3. The AD need to grow and run for office, organizing is the key, if they just keep taking towns they will keep going to jail; as long as the imposed government they have is able to perpetuate itself, the AD will never see the end of their problems

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  4. The government is going to put an end to the movement by intimidating people and the leaders by phony accusations and eventually it will disappear once that happens they will go back to the old ways living in fear and extortion by organized crime maybe the H3 after that they form another autodefense group and so on. It's a never ending story organized crime is never going to end PERIOD.

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    1. Their methods will backfire! Fate will intervene and the more they try to suppress 5he A.D. movement the bigger it will grow. This is the information age! Just wait for when the Government starts censoring information! I called it! Oh by the way B.B. why don't you run the relevant story of Televisa and the Monopoly of Media in MEXICO that they struck with the P.R.I. this last week! ( What's better than having almost full control of the information the mass majority of Mexico receives). In the end their attempts will fail and create more chaos!

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  5. Sir you are great Leader and Hero. Hopefully the next President of Mexico Viva Mexico

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  6. Michoacán is so peaceful and crime-free now, thanks to the federal govt., Chong and Castillo think it's time for the AD's to disarm - or face the consequences:

    http://www.milenio.com/policia/Gobierno_Federal-cumplio-demandas-seguridad-Michoacan-secretario_de_Gobernacion-Miguel_Angel_Osorio_Chong-Michoacan-autodefensas-desarmarse_0_274173002.html

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    1. Bullshit! The government is corrupt as fuck! These politicians literally talk straight
      their ass!!!

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    2. Congratulations. Your attempt to annoy me and the rest of the readers worked!!

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  7. all this hype about people, like the Americano, he was kidnapped by ct, and there is no criminal record. it is proving a negative. there is no proof just gossip.

    I hear it is abuelos brothers that run the bad ADs. and Americano would not go along, also Hipolito. the two rivals became targets. and are behind the murders.

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  8. I apologize English is second language, I mean Americano y Hipolito Mora became targets of Abuelos brothers this when dr manuel was in DF after the crash

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    1. El Americano may not be involved with some criminals, but I just don't trust him. I could be wrong, but there alot of people that have alot of bad to say about him from La Ruana! And many people in la Ruana are scared to be out just like when the C.T. where in control!

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  9. The objective was always to liberate communities one at a time. Clearing of crime and criminals, not to kill, by guarding and securing

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    1. What happens after they liberate? If they leave the criminals will either come back or new criminals will take over! Somebody trustworthy has to maintain the communities free of corruption? And we all know the Government is the butt of jokes for all of their corruption!

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  10. 4 47 pm you hit the nail on the head man.

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  11. Ive seen in my feed in facebook several people posting alerts of a little girl found in boca del rio, veracruz all cut and beheaded, some dudes took out all her organs, they say in the post, that the men ride in a white van no license plates, have you heard anything chivis or seen the pic? Thats some fuked up shit, i hope they get caught or killed the perpetrators.

    G(-)057

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    1. There was a case i Brazil with a little girl getting dismembered, her head and feet still looking normal along with a skeletal torso and clean, white bones along of different... "source". Perhaps you got it mixes up? Her name was Rachel Lobo Oliveira Genofre.

      http://darisungaiderhaka.blogspot.se/2009_06_01_archive.html?m=1

      Second from the last are the pictures and it's pretty fucking disturbing. I don't know Portugese so i can't find information on the case. I think he found her at a hotel and was just a sick fuck in general. I'm not even sure that there were any sexual motivation behind it.

      -Mike Haggar

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  12. Heres the link graphic photo not there though
    http://papaesceptico.com/2014/01/boca-del-rio-y-veracruz-nina-asesinada/

    G(-)057

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  13. Dr Mireles is to Mexico @ Dr Martin Luther King Jr was the America.

    There should be a Dr Mireles Day in mexico anyone else agree

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    1. I don't think so, to me he is more like zapata.

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  14. G057 No I have not heard of any Boca Del RIo cases like this. There would be no reason to behead someone for their organs. I don't know, but it doesn't sound like the other cases. The one with the four indigenous kids, no one saw who took them or buried them. and they paper didn't show images of their bodies. they were about 9 or 10. they did publish the photos as they were in life. Their torso were opened and organs missing. the gob quickly said the killings were not for organ trafficking. but they failed to say how they knew, or why the organs were removed

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    1. So sad! Have people forgotten this is the Land of La Virgen de Guadalupe?

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  15. --Jesus Reina, the secretary of governation in the state of michoacan's wife and la puta tuta's wife are sisters.
    -- governator vallejo, the bionic skeletor's son reportedly is a kabelleras cagadas made member.
    --i wonder why gengis chong is claiming victory and worrying so much about disarming the AD.
    --The former governor of the Hidalgo state, the birtplace of el lazca, pawn of the spanish neo-conquistadors gang of juan camilo mouriño, the pemex raiding gang, much like the zetas.
    --who like all the other zeta/priista governors got el puñeto elected...to keep robbing pemex.
    --And policia nazi-onal commissioner enrique francisco galindo ceballos, a crook of national relevance...
    This is the gang of crooks that want to disarm and disband the AD that in spite of their shortcomings and infighting has come to represent the only hope of the mexicans that nobody else represent.
    Evolution demands the transformation of the AD into an official state wide political force, without compromises with popoliticians and polizetas who will always sell the people for a few cents.
    what you do is say si si, si siñor, hide them weapons somewhere and extend the vigilantism.
    The judge that sent hipolito mora to prison is still there, a full time crook, how can the crooks be trusted?

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  16. It's hilarious: on the day Chong and Castillo are in Morelia saying they've cleaned up Michoacán (all by themselves), so now the AD's need to disarm - the CT, with Broly and Tuta himself, pull a narcobloqueo outside Jiquilpan, burning vehicles to stop the AD's from getting La Tuta!

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  17. I admire the Auto-Defensas. The AD's are doing a good deed and no good deed goes unpunished. I hope that they can adjust their tactics so as to avoid getting arrested and charged with crimes in the course of doing the governments job.

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  18. I see a lot of posts here about " snitching" , the only people who are opposed to snitching are criminals! Its your civic duty as a human being to protect the ones you love and care about. I dont mean this in a KGB sort of way , but if you dont break the law , there is nothing to snitch about.

    Be a responsible citizen , if you see someone breaking the law report it to the police. Thats what they are paid for, a sizeable chunk of the taxes you pay goes into paying for police forces. I dont fear any criminals , to do so is to accept a life I wouldnt want to live. My father and grandfather were both policeman. Do the right thing , and ignore the sub-humans here telling people " snitches get stitches " or similar phrases designed to intimidate.

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    1. @12:43 and how do you report to the police, they themselves are criminals and will report you and you will be the one that gets punished, they don't get called polizetas for nothing, you know?
      Even in the US , I have experienced police and municipal government snitching on me to gangbangers for making calls and reporting on halcones, and this is 20 years ago.
      I was lucky, I found some decent police officers, my block is clean, a few people died, some got arrested, and I am affraid "somebody" pushed and threw their weight around for me, quietly, behind the courtains, never tried to get any favors from me, but the police alone can not be trusted as a whole, least of all in mexico...

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  19. autodefensas ruined themselves when they started accepting everyone including cartel memebers hoping they would find the goodness in their hearts to be good men.

    instead they were taken advantage of and infiltrated and basically ruined from the inside by the same cartel members they took in.

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  20. Their methods will backfire! Fate will intervene and the more they try to suppress 5he A.D. movement the bigger it will grow. This is the information age! Just wait for when the Government starts censoring information! I called it! Oh by the way B.B. why don't you run the relevant story of Televisa and the Monopoly of Media in MEXICO that they struck with the P.R.I. this last week! ( What's better than having almost full control of the information the mass majority of Mexico receives). In the end their attempts will fail and create more chaos

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  21. Chayos capture ?

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  22. What the A D needs to do is to not get involved with the goverment and act by itself like when it started because they are getting dirty and will end up as dirty and corrupt like the gov

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  23. April 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM
    "So these snitches want to be glorified. They led the milatary to capture the bad guys"
    Dude,the CT were the ones who hung a family from the welcome banner,,kidnap and rape any pretty girl they feel like,,no?
    How can you support any group that does that?I dont care what the family did,in any society you cant do shit like that,normal people fuckin know that.So for you to start shouting snitch at anyone who wants to fuck CT OFF,makes you sound like a fuckin idiot.Ye man,call me a snitch too,cause i support the AD against CT ANY FUCKIN DAY !

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    1. Criminals coined the term snitch. Other than mentioning it here it has no room in my day to day word bank. When law abiding citizens report criminal activity it is just a good citizen doing the right thing. Do not be baited by criminals or criminal supporters.

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  24. April 3, 2014 at 6:16 PM
    "I apologize English is second language"

    That's alright bro, You write a second language better than i could,and thanks for writing in English.Saludos

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  25. G(-)057
    The blog writer is saying he is exposing the untruthful lie that "children are being taken for big business and children going missing for foundations"if i read it correctly(English speaker)and talks about Morelia and a truck stealing children.He is against the story and makes a point about a young girls picture"Raquel Genofre"being used erroneously to stir up hysteria by"unscrupulous people"He call bullshit and thinks its wrong to do it?
    But,if anyone goes and looks at G(-)057's link there is a post on the blog by a nurse"traajo en un hospital en la zona norte"she works in a hospital in northern zone,and she says they have received 11 notices of children age 11 to 17 who have gone missing and not to believe these blogs or the government who don't report these and things like influenza and dengue(is that right)and to use extreme caution in Veracruz"en Veracruz está fea la cosa"Why would a nurse make these things up?It doesn't mean organ stealing is happening,but children going missing anywhere is an outrage.
    I don't think this is happening(children being taken for organs)its a tool to use as he says unscrupulously.

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  26. " As far as your C.T. buddies kidnapping unarmed children and taking their organs is the most cowardly and sick thing I ever have heard! "
    Here,is why i don't believe children are being harvested for organs,this is why the story came about.But who thought to do that?Stinks of manipulation?

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  27. 9:20
    please send a link and I will try to translate. As I said I am running on empty for a couple months...but it sounds like an important story. Televisa is the one who edited and cut Dr M interview, and word is since Hipolito EPN gov has instructed certain mass media outlets to run BS in a campaign to destroy AD. Proceso did it a couple weeks back. Dr M said he will not communicate with them again. I expect people like Anabel Hernandez will do the same. If AD spreads, the corrupt gob loses money and control

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    1. You suspect Anabel Hernandez to side with the people who are destroying the AD's reputation? Really? The same person who has actually jeopardized her life because of things she has reported? Na; I don't think so. Proceso? The only outlet to communicate an actual interview with El Mayo Zambada, making the government look ridiculous as fuck since they were able to meet up and interview the dude while the government can't even "find" him? They being Julio Garcia himself, the magazines founder? Na... Smear campaigns are perfected by el PRI don't get me wrong, and the two have their political agendas (it's real life that have to exist) but proceso and Anabel, siding with el PRI for a smear campaign? Na. That said, if you're close to being on E and need help with translating, I can help.

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  28. April 3, 2014 at 9:56 PM
    "the CT, with Broly and Tuta himself, pull a narcobloqueo outside Jiquilpan"
    Dude,is that where Broly is?I was wondering,he is Guardia Michoacana so he will be busy guarding someone,he isn't just a sicario anymore?Brolys and his brothers time may be running out the pobre muchacho?Hope they got a back up plan?

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  29. I admire the AutoDefense, I feel that they are performing a valiant act. When you look at the History of Autodefense groups in Latin America and also look a that rebels of the Mexican Revolution the future does not look bright for the Autodefense groups. For example look at Colombia and the formation of the AUC. Also you look at the Mexican Revolution which was unable to achieve much of the changes that were needed to turn Mexico into a successful society. Instead in both instances the good of people leaves them and the people kick out the corrupt and evil people in charge, only to see revolutionaries to become corrupted and evil.

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  30. Hi chivis this is floating around some Facebook post not sure if legit
    http://wikiviral.blogspot.mx/2014/03/el-chapo-guzman-escapo-de-nuevo-duro.html?m=1

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  31. to the person sending me sdr info on tamps, does that include the garita?

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  32. Chivis @ 10:42 a.m., I didn't post the original reference to the leyes secundarias to telecommunications, but here is a critique of what the ruling class is trying to pull: http://mexicovoices.blogspot.mx/2014/03/mexico-proposed-telecommunications-law.html

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  33. G057
    yes I did...do I have your email addy? you can write to me
    chivis.martinez@hushmail.com

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  34. How can a spokesman not speak to the press?

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  35. The other day some guy was posting up on a website how there are AD's all over Tamps. and NL. and not to "freak out " if they get stopped or blockaded by them?
    WTH? If there is any AD movement in those states have not heard of it.

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  36. Sorry 3:33 she already said she is writing a book about it.
    as for her "life in danger"...we can respectfully disagree on the severity of that story, journalists that really are in danger on a daily basis are well known and have been given countless of recognitions for their bravery....like Adela Navarro. and Hernandez was in the US for quite a long time.

    Proceso lied, and if not for Dr M taping all of his conversations and interviews their lies would have gone unchallenged. times are different. there is a clear goal of disparaging AD. for annihilation. the media is part of the plan.

    as for your offer to translate.

    No thank you.

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  37. 4:03
    I heard there is a group, but for sure they are not all over tamps, and I have not heard of any in NL. I know there is a group is SLP but they are narco posers, I think Zetas, probably ditto in Tamps. True AD have a council and give interviews, communicate with the people and public. they do not go underground not construct road blocks on major highways. they do create road blocks surrounding entrances into liberated communities.

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  38. Denigrating the competition is such an easy way out.

    Doctor Mireles's stated goals have been achieved. He will become a doctor again or he will be arrested or killed.

    The government has already infiltrated the AD, its agents have taken control of the movement. The imprisonment of Hipo Mora and the advancement of El Americano is stark evidence of that.

    The road blocks will be taken down and the gunmen manning those choke points arrested. The Rurales will be empowered and El Americano will be the leader and Smurf will be still be the face of the AD,

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  39. So true about anabel hernamdez, she is a talented writer, but slants or omits the truth in order to have an end product that sells, all the while with a touch of the BDN's Lucy factor in the mix.

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  40. how about Garita? (you know who I am asking :)

    Yes, I posted the sdr on forum of tamps.

    READERS SDR TAMAULIPAS :
    readers:

    the Miguel Aleman- Monterrey road has been having activity. Kilometro 22 station or La 22 has been closed since December 2013. Several people said heavily armed men stop them to check them and tell them not to be driving on the roads, because "La Fiesta va a comensar". Falcon Tamps - Paras N.l road too its dangerous,e. So advice people not to drive down those roads, something big is happening or is going to happen. Also Policia Federal in Nuevo Leon advised that the Reynosa Monterrey highway may be subject to shootings vs military

    also:
    #SDRMatamoros "armed civilians opened fire on people that were in the Jardín cemetery at a burial, the toll was a woman approximately 19 years old dead, 2 pickups shot up, and a body that they took."

    #SDRMatamoros it is very probable that the burial attack at the cemetery of the Jardín was that of the criminal Wuasa executed in the internal fight and theft for the leadership of the plaza of the cdg del sur

    #SDRMatamoros updated toll of the attack at the Jardín cemetery while they were conducting the burial of the criminal Wuasa of the CDG of Tampico (originally from Matamoros and executed by his faction), 2 people killed one a young woman and a man, 3 people kidnapped, and the 2 vehicles that were indicated were abandoned.

    #SDRMatamoros update of the attack at the burial of the executed "Wuasa", "they killed the brother of wuasa, his sister-in-law, his wife and they took 3 of his cousins.

    Those that attacked are in a black Hummer 3 Cheyenes; red, white and black and a Fusion car. The cars that remained in the cemetery the black Cheyene is one of the new ones it was of the wife, the camaro is of the (female) cousin, she's the one that has the exchange house on the periferico of matamoros.

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  41. Chivis , Thanks for posting up this link

    http://mexicovoices.blogspot.mx/2014/03/mexico-proposed-telecommunications-law.html

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  42. yes "G" it did ...thank you for everything you send

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  43. "Sorry 3:33 she already said she is writing a book about it.
    as for her "life in danger"...we can respectfully disagree on the severity of that"
    JAJAJAJA
    CHIVIS,HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TOLD EVERYONE HERE YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER? AND PENDEJOS BELIEVE YOU ?

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  44. 4:24 so what, the government did not get involved until the AD started raising hell, and only government "edecans" would come and defend the mexican government in our faces... like all the older "edecans" whose arses nobody wants anymore, you are trying to deserve some attention$$ by coming here to sprout your pestilent hogwash of political opinion, yeah???

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  45. @11:50 for reporting, even for copying and pasting, there are people that will kill you, and believe me for calling us pendejos, you could be killed too, or at least get punched in the snout, there are even cartel members that love chivis a lot, not all of them like the publicity, but chivis is loved and respected by friend and foe, you would be a pendejo if you were not anonymous.
    hey, your bitterness make me wonder if you are the same guy always harassing chivis, and WHY, you love her so much you'd like to twist her neck don't you?
    it's like, forget it boy, some women are there to be adored from afar, and no matter how much you kneel and pray, the good lord will never help you, and chivis would rather hang with a boboon than with an asshole like you.
    so for your bad luck, boy, why don't you go and fuck your mama and her mama, and the mother of the mama of her motherfucking mama?
    from now on your new name is "el mala suerte", la muchacha no te quiere...

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  46. 11:50 "el mala estrella", la muchacha no te quiere, anda muy enamorada de otro amigo que es mas HOMBRE...youtube...

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