Tuesday, February 18, 2014

Mayo and Chapo attending a family Reunion in Culiacán Prompts Massive Search

Posted on Borderland Beat forum by Siskiyou kid

Sinaloa members were transferred to Tamaulipas Max Security prison
The federal Government implemented a massive search for both; Ismael El Mayo Zambada and Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán in recent hours in the Mexican state of Sinaloa, official sources said.

Between last Friday and yesterday the federal authorities have obtained testimonies concerning the possible presence of two leaders of the Sinaloa cartel in the city of Culiacán, where last weekend at least 10 sicarios were arrested, among them "El 19", identified as the personal security of "El Mayo" Zambada.

Elements of the Ministry of marine and of the Criminal Investigation Agency of the Attorney General's Office (PGR) led the special operation which began Sunday night and continued until the close of this edition.

According to the sources consulted, the detainees revealed that both drug lords attended a family reunion in Sinaloa this weekend.

Unofficial versions noted that uniformed officers searched at least 12 properties in Culiacán, in sectors such as the colonias of Guadeloupe and Libertad, which also included surveillance through Secretary of Navy helicopters. The PGR announced 91 guns, four cars and around 286,000 pesos were seized during the searches.

Federal corporations claimed that five of the detainees were caught in a ranch known as La Guasaria, in Culiacán. Four of them were immediately transferred to the maximum prison of  Matamoros, Tamaulipas.

"The 19 was interned in the maximum security prison of the Highlands, in the State of Mexico. A day later, in Tijuana, Baja California, federal forces located and captured five other members of the Sinaloa cartel, including compa Omar, responsible for receiving Culiacan drug to move the United States ".

During a tour of Mazatlán, the Governor Mario López Valdez said that these operations are under the absolute control of the Secretary of Navy, and that police corporations of the State is not involved.

Aircraft and military helicopters made overflights in Culiacán to maintain closer monitoring in several areas of the city.

In the Federal District, the third and fourth measures district courts precautionary authorization have granted to the federal Government to carry out the intervention of different mobile phones whose numbers were provided by detainees, the Government and military sources reported.

As they pointed out, the first operation was carried out last Friday in Culiacán, where federal forces entered the settlement called Guasaria and captured five suspected sicarios.

There a subject that for now only known as "El 19", who was head of security for "El Mayo" was arrested. Others were arrested in various neighborhoods of Culiacán.

As part of this special operation, Marines and elements of the army raided houses and searched them all the way to the Culiacán.

According to testimonies of neighbors, the noise generated by military helicopters awakened them in the early hours of Monday.  Colonia Centro Sinaloa, is located meters from the Palace of Government of the State.

Until the close of this Edition, the authorities refused to provide the names of the detainees. Meanwhile, fifty marines (navy)  remained, carrying out a search warrant of a property located in the colonia Guadalupe de Culiacan, with the participation of staff of the PGR.

 
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92 comments:

  1. jajaja... what a pussy the governor is. he said "During a tour of Mazatlán, the Governor Mario López Valdez said that these operations are under the absolute control of the Secretary of Navy, and that police corporations of the State is not involved."

    was that statement to make sure everyone, especially the cartel, that the paid off corrupt police and MP are not involved. wouldn't want anyone to get hurt over a misconception. jajaja what a pussy.

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  2. USA should send seal team 6 and bring back those two without any incident in the way plain and simple because I'm 100%sure the pGR and government have captured them but $$ talks and they've gotten there way out of that situation

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    1. And this time I want a see proof of a boody shown to the people none of that "oh we through his body in the ocean to respect his religion" bullshit

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    2. Seal team 6 is dead you dumb ass. Theyre helicopter went down and everyone in the mission that killed osama bin ladden was killed.

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    3. I couldn't agree with you guys more than anything. I mean that sincerly.

      I believe that plans are in the work for Chapó, and at that rate Mayo as well.

      It will happen just like that. I believe the US is just waiting for them to go real nasty. Like sponsoring and supporting what the Zetas were doing. We see how long they lasted pushing an agenda that poisoned that whole regoin right under Texas.

      They were Obama's #1 Priority. They are focused as much as they want to be on Chapo, Mayo and all the other real Cartel Leaders.

      America will always see Justice is Served. For all its faults, and drug addicts, Justice Will Be Done here in America, or anywhere in the World for America, by Americans with automatic weapons with all the Tachy's.

      When that day is up, they will know that there time is up... or just about to begin.

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    4. The replacements for seal team 6 are probably already involved. either as part offast & furious, or helping the CDS smuggle drugs as part of a deal for info on other cartels (per mayito's testimony in Chicago trial). I think USA has done enough.

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  3. Se puso caliente compas

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  4. Wow,the detainees are wearing cloth hand cuffs.Also the article states they searched a neighborhood by the head quarters of the state government. Shaddy government officials for sure,somebody did not pay the rent this month,or a new tenant payed MORE? you gotta pay to play or don't get involved at all- greedy people at work...

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  5. Phone numbers provided by the detainees?..the mx gov already have their phone numbers provided by the dea, but the mx gov still dont capture them or allow US agents to do so..that smells like big corruption within the mx gov.

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  6. And if the personal bodyguard got caught that means the capo is near by or surrounding area

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  7. It seems odd to me that Zambada was up to recently untouchable but has taken some big punches in the gut over the last year. From the killing of M1 and Macho Prieto to the apprehensions of his son Sera Zambada and his personal hitman Chino Antrax by US authorities. Could it be Chapo making a ruthless and tactical power play on Zambada. Sure seems like that to me.

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  8. Mayo and chapo are tired of all the comments here, they are going to have a shoot out old western style, walk 6 steps, turn and shoot. The survivor takes over the cartel, this way no more people post about them having problems.

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  9. they just want show that they are doing something because Obama is coming to visit !

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  10. The dwarf is losing the war

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  11. Governor makes a statement "Chapo, Mayo...please. It's not me. It's the feds! The navy! Pleaseeeeeeeeee, listen to me. Por favor!

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  12. Someone is not paying their tax like they should.

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  13. this is something that sounds like its been rumored for awhile zambada and chapo are going threw a divorce since the dedo of vicentillo and all zambadas people chapo really under estimates zambada trust me i fck dislike both and all cds organization but zambada knows when to jump ship hes done it 4 times already rumor here in tijuana hes good with the afo and that he cut a sweet deal with them and didnt let chapo in on it thoughts guys????????????????????

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  14. yeah, move them to tamaulipas, from sinaloa, to silence them and leave no witneses...
    but ex-governors,federal senator/federal deputies combos with long as the bible reports accusing the of being narcos and money launderers like manlio fabio beltrones,"la fabis", z1 fidel herrera beltran, bertie boy moreira, and manuel cavazos lerma, remain untouchables, and the US government keeps silent about these their own reports, WHY, WHY, WHY???

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  15. QUE TAL LES QUEDO EL OSICO HABLADORES !!!NOMAS HABLAN POR HABLAR LOS COMPADRES SIGUEN AL 100 NO HAY GUERRA ENTRE ELLOS ESA REUNION LO DICE TODO LAS FAMILIAS GUZMAN ZAMBADA SIGUEN AL 1000..LO HABIA DICHO EN OTRO POST QUE EL CDS ESTABA ACIENDO LIMPIA DE LUGARTENIENTES QUE NO OVEDECEN A LA ENPRESA Y PRINSIPALMENTE LOS JEFES. NUEVAS ALIANZAS EN LA FEDERACION EL AZUL , CARO QUINTERO Y EL MENCHO EN LA FRACION CJNG EN JALISCO,GUERRERO,VERACRUZ,COLIMA NAYARIT EL MAYO Y EL CHAPO CON LOS M'S,G.N Y ANTRAX EN SONORA,SINALOA,CHIUHUAHUA,DURANGO,LA LAGUNA,NAYARIT,BAJAS CALIFORNIA Y CON SUS ALIADOS LOS C.D.G EN ZACATECAS TAMAULIPAS NUEVO LEON Y PARTES DE COUHUILA.FIERRO.

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    1. SONORA...esta la G.N. , esos le parte la madre a los antrax....has tu tarea..tarde o temprano se despertara el cartel de SONORA!!!

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    2. Gente Nueva es una celula del chapo. CDS controla Sonora!

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    3. Los M's son mercenarios.. Durango es de ellos ..
      ..

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  16. Puro culiacan sinaloa

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  17. Sinaloa runs the industry.

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    1. No de topones.....they are known to run......

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  18. that goes for all the conspiracy theories about chapo & mayo trying to kill each other

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    1. Right also Arturo and Mayo met face to face in Jalisco and decided" perro no come a perro" "dog doesnt eat dog"moments later all out war. Chapo and specially. Mayo whose both sons have been arrested and are facing charges in the US and Chapos oldest son has been arrested and released.

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  19. if the Navy is involved now then that means chapo and mayo are going down soon. The navy does nt fuck around.

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  20. They must be under new management.

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  21. Mochomo doesnt want Mayo to be around for when he gets out..for stealing the capital of Culiacan.Mochomos plaza, also for not respecting his older brothers, Hector,Arturo,main hit team in that city los Charritos.Chapo knows someone big has to go down and its not gonna be him.Things have changed

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  22. Honestly, I think the message that these "we WERE looking for Chapo but just missed him" excursions is sending is leaning more toward "we can't catch him / we're not actually trying" more than "we ARE actually doing something".
    On the other hand, we've seen recently how the citizens in Michoacan respond to messages like "We are the Templars, and we are here to protect your families"; they believe it without a second thought.

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  23. This was mayo trying to salvage the situation, and in turn Chapo almost had his old compadre locked away. Mz vs. JAGL almost to an end........ask TCR that dude told us this Shit since the vz debacle....

    ccccccccccccccccccccccccccc.

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  24. What about Damaso Lopez interview??

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  25. 6:28 and 8:07
    exactly...I never bought into the theory

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    1. Damaso lopez interview??? Chivis it might be short but full of detail and information.

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  26. And there's people here who claim "CHAPO Y MAYO ESTAN EN GUERRA" "CHAPO LE MATO MP Y ENTREGO A CHINO"

    Por favor no hablan si no saben. Please do not talk if you do not know.

    G.D.L.

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  27. they dont control shit in cali tho tell u that much ...

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    1. For your information they do control cali. You either do not know or are not from cali if you saying that. Tell you that much

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    2. Cali aint shit, no one cares about cali, hollywood gangsters and wannabes!!!

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    3. I dont think there would be much standin in the way considering that the people who claim they run shit over here are all broke as fuck and have no life and would probably be honored to be a part of somethin like that and get paid shit

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    4. @10:17: if your a drug dealer how do you think you get your drugs? You pay your percent to the big homies and your big homies go to a connect from a cartel in your city and uses the money to buy more drugs to distribute them and pay their half to the cartel.
      And yes the Cartels have members here but they're more low-key here in the states...

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  28. I never bought into the civil war theory either, and it's been gaining steam lately. Maybe this will quiet the trolls.

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  29. I don't think this confirms that Chapo and Mayo are completely united. If anything, Chapo was trying to lead Mayo into thinking everything is fine within the federation by setting him up to be captured during the family reunion. Chapo has a new/old business partner: his name is Rafa Caro Quintero. He never really was in prison these 28yrs. and the govt. of Mx. is not really trying to get him; furthermore, the U.S.A is not really pressuring Mx. to extradite him. They have friends in high places -- the CIA's Ismael Felix Rodriguez, 41, 42, and 43!! It's Mayo's people, el 19 and Comandante 5, who were captured in Culiacan and Tijuana respectively -- not Chapo's. It's MZ's sons and sicarios who are being taken down. At the same time Mayo has the distinction of having worked with Amado Carrillo-Fuentes, CAF, el boats blancas -- archenemies of Chapo. Something that might be a thorn on the side of Chapo since they've tried to kill him, have killed his family members, and killed some of his friends. It's reckoning time!! Chapo and el Narco de Marcos are going for the whole enchilada. Their friends in the CIA and Mexico govt. got their back!! ¡Lo prometido es deuda viejon!

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  30. This all has something to do with the de-nationalization of Mexico's oilfields.
    Maybe the CIA is taking over the drug trade from Chapo?

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  31. Dea strategy"divide and conquer"

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    1. You realize that in 42 years they still have not won the "drug war" but many agents got rich trying while the drug problem in america has gotten worst. They might devide but conquering CDS is like NASA going back to the moon.

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  32. This raid has everything to do with the 3 amigos conference! Obama, Nieto and Harper!

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  33. Common phenomenon:

    1) La Tuta hands out money to women who have more children than they can afford to raise properly ---> majority of Michoacan thinks he's a great guy.
    2) Enrique Pena Nieto is literally a criminal, but has nice hair and says he will help create jobs (he doesn't, but he says he will) ---> majority of Mex thinks he's a great guy.
    3) The military is (likely) not looking for either Chapo or Mayo, but they say to people "yep, we ALMOST got them again" ---> majority of Mex thinks they're really hunting for them.

    Criminals and corrupt politicians can fuel a corrupt society, but a population of gullible citizens perpetuates it.

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    1. Agreed, Mexicans are idiots(I am mexican). The government is part of the problem for letting the teachers union (run by some very corrupt) get away with not doing their jobs and educating mexican youth. This is a big ploy by the Mexican government to keep the majority of the population ignorant and Uneducated. Brilliant if u ask me

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  34. heroin overdoses, deaths and busts all over the US on the up and up, meth and cacaine just tagging along, that says who rules now, the afghani associates need the addicts to move their chiva, and the US owners of the business do not need the mexican drug lords anymore, for their US military bases in colombia, it is only appropriate that the cacaine business left over be left to the colombians,who have all the military aircraft needed to move their popoduct into the US with all the impunity that the military/CIA conglomerate can afford...

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    1. ....and who do u think owns the drug stores in the US.That's right dumbass the Mexicans(specially Cali,AZ,)so no matter who brings it on,the Mexicans and blacks gotta move pendejo,and fuck the Afghanis(talibans).

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  35. @10:17pm that's where you wrong. I'm from the central cali region. And CDS has call and pull in the Valle and the Sierra Nevadas. Do your homework before you open your mouth. Puro Gente De Mayo!!! Plebe Saludos 5.7!!!

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  36. @ February 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    I am from Guadalajara, and your comment is very true. Many citizen here say they support the PRI and that think Templarios are trying to help families and community, but have not looked much into.

    Woman will support anything as long as it help their husband to buy them something expensive and allow them to have another child each month. They care about their own reputation and their family, but no one else.

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  37. Come to Cali and say that I bett you won't your a l7 square it's the wild Wild West for a reason.

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    1. Ya wey sta bueno ya no Estes Chingandome

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  38. Chapo has been double-crossing everyone for years to reach his ultimate goal. The capo di tutti i capi or boss of all bosses title of all organized crime in Mexico. No one in recent memory has reached that level in the upper echelon of organized crime in Mexico since Miguel Felix Gallardo, the godfather.

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    1. I see a movie "the godfather pt.IV

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    2. Starring Joe pesci as el Chapo

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    3. and George Lopez as z40, and Morgan Freeman as El Azul

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  39. Your stupid bro michoacan independent hustlers are doing everything in cali and then from here to the east coast.im neutral but its a fact .sinaloa ppl are way too flashy.im dating a sinaloa girl her family deep in but no comparison to the shit michoacanos do out here.

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  40. Come on man, this was a set up for mayo from chapo. Chapo fled first and then mayo, i bet he harley escaped which he had a plan of his own, thats why his head of security got caught up!

    BIG SUR

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    1. Chapo is turning in everybody he wants all the power he aint stupid he did mochomo wrong want makes u think he wont do the zambadas wrong

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  41. 5:10 if mayo is in such good terms with afo, why would his guy el chino anthrax kill pancho rafail? all the supersticicions are makig me dizzy, lets wait until el chapo or el mayo hang the narco-mantas telling each other what's up.
    --the flores twins (chicago) were chapo's pretty boys for too long, and caught by the DEA, were trying to entrap vicente.
    --vicente trying to save his ass was trying to entrap the twins, for the cia.
    --the dea, bossed around by the powerful cia, wanted to make the cia know who is the big enchilada by arresting cia's vicente for terrorist bla bla bla.
    --the cia wanted to make the dea shut the fuck up about the cia family business
    ---to show the cia, the dea bossed around by the powerful cia arrested vicente to make him sing about the cia.
    --vicente has said time and again that he was trying to entrap the twins for the cia, and wants the cia to come and testify in court. (not happenin')
    --the flores rwins are trying to save their chicago empire worth about 2 billion dollars from the claws of the government because they delivered for the dea.
    --the cia are mad that the dea nigs that are supposed to be under the cia's magical management are such sneaky motherfuckers.
    --President Obama must be playing some dirty tricks on the cia, since the flores twins are from chicago, and we know those chicago boys, they are rotten to the core.
    --hillary stole the presidency for her husband twice before.
    --barack stole the presidency from her once and from the white honky motherfuckers self appointed GOD's children.
    -barak obama stole their country too, in true chicago gangster fashion.
    --whitey wants their country back.
    --chicago gangsters say no way jose...

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  42. To All who don't know everything is fine CHAPO and MAYO are doing great they both run the the powerful cartel in the WORLD Known as the SINALOA CARTEL trust me their still together.

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  43. February 18, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    The CDG isn't operating in Coahuila anymore. The Talibanes(zetas who were under the command of z-50 aka Taliban) who jumped ship with CDG have been mostly killed off or fled from Coahuila. The CDG is still fighting for the Zacatecas plaza but as long as the Zetas control Fresnillo and government forces they ain't gonna loose that plaza. And the CDG can't keep on sending estacas into Zacatecas like the Z. The Talibanes who stayed with Zs are back operating and taking back the Zacatecas plaza and fighting for the Coahuila side of La Laguna plaza against the CDS-Gente Nueva. The Zetas have lost the Durango side of La Laguna but they're definitely putting up a fight in the Coahuila side. La Laguna is a 3-way at the moment Z vs CDS vs Los Dannys. The CDG still controls a bit more of Monterrey than the Z but the Zs are still there fighting for Monterrey plaza along with the Beltran-Leyvas. And CJNG is definately not operating in Veracruz. Veracruz is a very important plaza for Zs since they receive coke/heroin shipments from Colombia. Don't believe all the corridos hype. They did try to move in but they were quickly repelled by the Zs and their allies in the government. They also don't control Nayarit. The Nayarit plaza belongs to the Beltran-Leyvas, though I will admit CJNG does operate in parts of Nayarit.

    G.D.L.

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    1. Oye Guero, who the f#&k is Los Dannys

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    2. Makes sense.. but I bet some cdg/chapo lambe huevos is gonna say otherwise

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  44. el chapo and el mayo are not the biggest money makers, reportedly the middlemen only get to keep 10% of the drug money, and 1 or 2% go to the farmers, the big 90% goes straight to the big money laundering banks, and nobody better say anything about it,banco santander from spain, hsbc, whose own officer in charge of checking for dirty money in england, working in cahoots with american agents brought hsbc up, but the US government refused to act, and here we are real busy about a couple of old compadres just trying to get some carnitas for tomorrow's dinner

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    1. You speak the truth bro! Russians and Italians are way bigger...The Ndragheta in the north and
      Cosa Nostra in the south generate over 200 billion a year. Cartels don't come close to that number!!!


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  45. NOMAS FUE UN SUSTO DEPARTE DE OBAMA PARA QUE NO VALLAN ASER ALGO MENSO DURANTE SU VISITA A MEXICO.

    ES COMO CUANDO PASAS POR DONDE HAY PERROS CHIHUAHAS Y LOS ASUSTAS NOMAS PAQUE NO SE TE AVIENTEN JAJAJAJA

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  46. @ February 19, 2014 at 12:51 PM
    Well put! I'd say a lot of them in the US are like that too.
    But yeah, about the article. Does anyone (Chivis maybe?) have an idea of what the real picture is of how Chapo is being looked for? I mean, I think it's safe to assume the Mexican military is not 100% un-corrupt, and looking for him 24 7 as they say, maybe in part because his cartel is such an integral part of the economy now. But they're obviously looking for him to some extent.
    I guess what I'm asking is, what is Chapo's relationship with the highest authorities in Mexico? Is there any way to know, or is there too much uncertainty because it would all be under the table?

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  47. 12:52 in the US, the black and mexican GRAMEROS can do as they please, in mexico, the cartels have doing the same for a while, but the US needs the customers to move their afghan heroin, just about enough work for a few burros, no need for big mexican drug lords, comprende? the big US traffickers have no use for chinese or sinaloan opiates or meth, they have to move heroin, and it is all their own, until it all gets out and they need to get their prissy arses away again.

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  48. Why u think article called chasing mayo not chapo days back..sinaloa aint shit.

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  49. 19 is not head of security to mayo z, all these cats are low level and mayo isnt even in sinaloa!!!! Chapo vs mayo? Jajajajaj en sus sueños los viejos siguen firme

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  50. rancho lo de sauceda, SinaloaFebruary 20, 2014 at 7:20 AM

    es yo ni me la creo

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  51. rancho lo de sauceda, SinaloaFebruary 20, 2014 at 7:28 AM

    el chapo I mayo ni estan en Sinaloa, asen eso para que la attencion se valla para Sinaloa I salen de vacaciones el chapo I el mayo

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  52. Nobody controls california, san diego is mainly afo,los angeles afo,cds cdj,cdg ct,frisco ct,cds asians,central valley ct,cds,alot of independants,sierra nevada,independants with little or no ties to anybody, i live in california, stop with the misinformation and or bullshit!!! Quick note, medical dispensaries are run by everybody,whites,blacks,latinos,asians, armenians,with little or no ties to anybody,becuz their work is scrutinized more than anybodys!!!!

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  53. @9:21am how about you stop with your BS. ha ha you said asians, cdg, cdj ha ha. quick question where do your so called independents get the drugs? duh from a cartel just because you buy dime bags and 20s on the corner it does not mean it grows on trees. quick note it comes from a cartel! you forgot to mention the italian mob, the russian mob ha ha ha. stop watching so much tv.

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    1. Ur apperantly not from california or dnt get out much!! U really believe cds,is the chief provider of yeyo,smack and bud!! In a state full of michoacanos,full of independants who get watever they want from whoever they want,u really believe theres no other cartels sellin their stuff cheaper than cds,oh by da way chronic dnt come from cartels retard!! The bullshit u spit about the sierras being cds is even more dumb than all ur other bull.oh one more thing the russian mob and asians got their own connects and if cdg or whomever gives them a better price,u bet theyll jump on it.nobody controls california,not one cartel is the governing body on anything,reread my post smart guy it states whos active where not owning it!!!

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  54. El 20 just got caught in culiacan Jesus Pena it's funny how only mayos people are going down making room for good ol caro Quintero and el senor abl.

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  55. Arriva la mochomera ;)

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  56. Jesus pena el 20 captured another top dog from mayos crew

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  57. No clowns at that family reunion?

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  58. Reports coming from culiacan that El 20 or El peña has been captured

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  59. On the other hand with the capture of 20 now thats a blow to mayos organization let se how baldy looks in his picture

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  60. I said michoacan doing almost everthing here why u think they own so many legal business here..their a plague its the state with the most migrants leaving mexico .

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  61. The empire is about to fall i promise its over ...the only spot sinaloa gots on lock is vegas

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  62. 3:08 2 seals found dead on the maersk famed ship, allegedly heroine overdose... what was so wrong with the minds of such a fime military men?
    quite a story, even when you come out a winner, to end up like that.
    i wonder who was selling them the heroine, and how many more onboard the ship were into it, you can't be making such big bucks as a special security without someone wanting some of that money back, just one of the tricks played on US soldiers of all over, so many suicides when they leave the service, and nobody knows why, for some strange reason, when they get discharged, the wife or the girlfriend is not there anymore, and all the money is gone, the shame and the desperation are big enough to chose suicide, quick or slow, the armed forces can't find a reason for the many suicides of service members; we'd be better off leaving the seals and other service members alone if we can't help them...

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  63. the taliban zetas lost their leader,after z40 did damage to his house in fresnillo zac, running to SLP where he got caught, z40 really knew how to snitch on everybody, and el taliban did not know that without a big godfather you can't proceed to have your own cartel, but going back to the zetas, would be stupid, you may get forgiveness for a little while, and then you are gone; because of the taliban and his cohorts, z40 is in prison and about to be eztradited,how can anybody believe there is room for kiss and make out? judas and his people are just not to be trusted, what i'd like to know is who the hell is behind the zetas as a whole? the ultimate big boss and godfather, the one who is not expendable, the one that will kill every zeta in the world to save his own motherfucking ass, come on gallo de los dos laredos or dos fronteras or la mula de sietes, do you know?

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  64. 11:22 i don't think the sun of Sonora wants his home state to become very famous, anonymousonora.com shines a very bad light on his ass already, and Manlio Fabio Beltrones "la Fabis" doesn't like it one bit,nuff said...

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  65. @12:00 GRAMEROS are not supposed to know anything about big business or businessmen, and all they care about is their next nickel or dime to get by until they need another dime or nickel until arrest and snitching time which is where most of them arrive...

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