Reporting on the Mexican Cartel Drug War

Police on the Run in Mexico

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 |

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For more than 48 hours armed men held the entire town of Marcos Castellanos hostage, killing two people and kidnapping a police officer. After the attack most of the police force resigned - poorly paid police throughout the country are often victims of the violence they themselves try to battle. Lack of training and equipment means they are no match for criminal gangs.

Al Jazeera's Rachel Levin reports from Castellanos, Mexico.

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Anonymous said...

Parese k kualkier pendejo Ed policia ya . Alrato kambian de bando esta culos!!!

Anonymous said...

with police being killed and officers resigning this article screams out against the liberals on this blog site that are in favor of gun control. when the progressive's in the USA are done the law abiding citizens will be disarmed and drugs will be only a dispenser away.

Anonymous said...

Putos

smokee said...

Does anybody know what the budget for defenseis in Mexico, ?? Whatever it is I'm sure its a lot less than the narco has available to them

Anonymous said...

Damn..

Chitown finest said...

http://www.lapoliciaca.com/nota-roja/jalisco-la-invasion-de-los-caballeros-templarios/

check this if u can read spanish or if some one kindly can translate it on this borderland blog.
its the invasion of the ct in jalisco, they're are advancing at rapid pace.

Anonymous said...

ser policia debe de ser una profession honorable y bien pagada que requiere bastante estudio y disciplina para que el pueblo tenga la confiansa en la ley.

Anonymous said...

"poorly paid police throughout the country are often victims of the violence they themselves try to battle"

Not sure why you repeat these statements on this blog. So much of the time it turns out that the local police were on the side of Chapo or the Z. And they were not stopping violence - just eliminating the trade from their competition. The same thing applies in this case ... how do you know these cops were not just the losers in a battle between capo's??

mj said...

what is the government doing with these seized money? can't they use them to pay police?

Anonymous said...

"with police being killed and officers resigning this article screams out against the liberals on this blog site that are in favor of gun control. when the progressive's in the USA are done the law abiding citizens will be disarmed and drugs will be only a dispenser away. "

Cops have lots of guns but seem to be no match for the criminals, how would an ordinary citizen be able to defend themselves against a heavily armed criminal gang even if they had a gun?
What is up with the American obsession with owning firearms, I'm speaking from Europe where most normal people don't feel the need to own a gun, never mind a semi-automatic.

Anonymous said...

Why do the USA have this obsession with owning weapons?, when faced with the heavily armed cartel gangs what chance does an ordinary Mexican citizen have?
Speaking from Europe we can't understand the need you have to own as many weapons as possible, even machine guns.
Having said that, its your issue, nothing to do with us. If you're prepared to have regular school/cinema shootings or whatever, then so be it.

Anonymous said...

People are playing cops.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/31/vigilantes-in-southern-mexico-announce-charges-against-53-prisoners/

Anonymous said...

The seized money goes into the pockets of politicians. And why bother paying the police - isn't it enough that the cartels are paying them for their "work"?

Anonymous said...

DD your veiled racism is showing through again.
"You said;

That argument to me is like watching whites lament the loss of their "freedom" in the wake of desegregation."

Anonymous said...

At least 14 people were killed and 80 injured in an explosion at the offices of Mexico's state-run oil company, the country's interior minister said.


The cause of the Mexico City blast was not yet known, said Miguel Angel Osorio Chong.

Gringo Campasino said...

This isn't just applicable for Mexico. Be objective. What about (insert) country? US?

What is so wrong with 'la quota', 'la mordita', bribery, and other forms of cheating?

Historically it leads to cycles of national economic colapse. When a country becomes increasingly dominated by organized interest groups, it loses economic vitality, falls into decline, and collapses... followed by a clean slate in its aftermath, radically improved productivity, and increased GDP.
But new coalitions form over time, once again shackling society in order to redistribute wealth and income... once again to themselves.

The Roman Empire plundered the wealth and resources of other countries and geographical areas. Like with colonialism, there was no intention of developing them economically more than strictly needed for exploitation purposes.
Start a war against some neighbour, plunder their property and assets, and extort them for war reparations. Milk the provinces dry; there was little cash flow from Rome to the provinces. The internal economy was based on slavery, and unpaid workers had no purchasing power. This effectively also prevented the rise of a middle class with the accompanying growth in domestic consumption and spending by a larger percentage of the population. The economy could be maintained only as long as the Empire was expanding; once the era of conquests ended in the Pax Romana, the empire was doomed even though it lasted for four hundred more years.

The twelve indicators of state vulnerability
1. Mounting Demographic Pressures
2. Massive Movement of Refugees or Internally Displaced Persons
3. Legacy of Vengeance-Seeking Group Grievance or Group Paranoia
4. Chronic and Sustained Human Flight
5. Uneven Economic Development along Group Lines
6. Sharp and/or Severe Economic Decline
7. Criminalization and/or Delegitimization of the State
8. Progressive Deterioration of Public Services
9. Suspension or Arbitrary Application of the Rule of Law and Widespread Human Rights Abuse
10. Security Apparatus Operates as a "State Within a State"
11. Rise of Factionalized Elites
12. Intervention of Other States or External Political Actors.

Anonymous said...

The US costitution gives us Americans the right to own guns to defend ourselves. There are rules, however.... To purchase a gun you need to pass a criminal background check. The problem is that people with mental problems (who in most cases are the ones killing inocent school kids) many times have clean records. I say they should implement mental instability checks before anyone can purchase a gun.

Joe Lara said...

The best solution to battling crime is the use of death squads that perform " social cleansing " activities against " undesirables " like criminals , drug addicts and corrupt politicians .

Anonymous said...

As an American, let me ask you law-abiding citizens of MX one simple question. Wouldn't you feel safer if you & your neighbors owned a firearm? I'll ask it another way. How could you ever feel safe against the corrupt gov't and cartel members WITHOUT a firearm?

Anonymous said...

U have some what of a point but, u cannot compare US to Mexico. Our country, despite all other haters opinions, is still the greatest country in the world.

Anonymous said...

How many stupid fucks are going to keep trying to compare bullshit in the US with this kind of shit going on in Mexico, bringing up "liberals" and "the constitution" and what not... this is about Mexico, and those deeply rooted problems go beyond simple corruption. You think chapo has remained in the game as long as he has because of a few bribes and luck? Or magic? Cops quitting by the assload in one town.... It cannot be compared, people, it simply cannot be done. The majority of Mexico is a narco state, which makes it a completely different animal; things go down in Mexico that make a bunch of dorks in the US crying over "their guns right" on CNN look like the self righteous, entitled pussies who want something for nothing and but would never think twice to serve their country in a combat area, like some of us have... So don't come with that bullshit on here, spread that fox news bullshit elsewhere.

Chivis said...

Chitown...
working on it since last night, almost finished...will be up tomorrow.
VERY interesting, BTW it is Proceso article.
This is another big example of EPN lack of transparency. I was wondering was CJNG were doing now we know and its all bad

Anonymous said...

Mexicos citizens need the right to own weapons...i cant believe mexico doesnt give thier people that right ....they cant protect any of thier people!but yet u cant own a gun to atleast have sum kind of chance against these killers.. stripin that right doesnt stop the real criminals..so how does gun control help at all! Whole music bands being killed whole towns being held hostage..fuck send the marines to fight real fukn terrorist! Mexicos politicians are fukn cowards..plain and simple .

Anonymous said...

"U have some what of a point but, u cannot compare US to Mexico. Our country, despite all other haters opinions, is still the greatest country in the world".

US or MX?

Anonymous said...

Easier said than done my friend.. Mexico is so corrupt , let's be honest who can you really trust?? To put squads like this together..

Anonymous said...

@01/31 3:54PM,
Hmmm..Mr. Euro trash, who cares if Europeans can't understand what it is to have the right to "bear arms." In the USA it's a constitutional right...no amount of gun control can prevent psychotic people from committing mass shootings. Your comment makes no sense...the only real chance "ordinary Mexican citizens" have against heavily armed cartel members...would be for them to be armed themselves! What chance do they have if confronted without being armed! If given the choice...would you prefer being a victim and slaughtered with no chance of defending yourself? Or would you stand and defend yourself with a firearm? Oh, I forgot your from Europe..you would rather the USA come and fight your battles...chicken shit!

Anonymous said...

DAMNNN!! Are they expected to go up against assault rifles with them turkey shotguns??? SMH..F'up

Anonymous said...

MR. Euro.. Aren't you a man? Guns are made of precise steel, they are awesomely engineered, they look cool,they go BANG really loud, and you can hit far away objects and do damage!! What's not to like?? No to mention you can hunt and eat what u kill!! That's why

Anonymous said...

With so many guns in usa .nobody has prevented a massacre from hapening not even death penalty.

Gringo Campasino said...

@ "Joe Lara- The best solution to battling crime is the use of death squads that perform " social cleansing " activities against " undesirables " like criminals , drug addicts and corrupt politicians."

Who appoints the death squads? Who calls the shots? A police state? Mob rule?

Sometimes it is necessary to undertake these surgical operations. Still, what necessary process of ethical protocol remains primary? Is there a transparent lack of corrupt profit motivation? What is the established objective? Is it mindful and inclusive of those primarily affected by outcomes?

'Death Squads' are already being used... POORLY! With endless 'Wars of Atrition'. Each side retaliates against the other with what? More Death Squads! Do you think that because the USA has Seal Team-6, and the Marines... we should just go in their, kick some @$$, and win this here little-ol' football game?
Being too eager to use lethal force against problems isn't strength. It's weakness. Machiavelli had it wrong. The terms of fear and love, as he used them, were subjective and emotional. What seperates humans from animals is our ability to reason. The crowning achievment of Moral Law is to establish ethical virtue. If our goal is to erradicate vice: The ends we achieve DEPEND on the means we employ. Virtuous methods reap virtuous ends. You can't fight fire with fire, or vice with more vice and somehow arrive at virtue. It's mathematically impossible.

If you make it your goal to overcome evil with good, then when it does come time to fight, the outcome is already established. You've already won, even before you start fighting.

Visa versa, 'working from within' a bad system, expecting to somehow to arrive at good results, is irrational. Think about it. Isn't this the problem: Fighting bad guys... as a bad guy myself?

¿En serio?

Anonymous said...

January 31, 2013 at 5:57 PM
Not bad,but basically pointless?

Anonymous said...

Its all fucked up!!

Anonymous said...

1:40....i can dig it.

Gringo Campesino said...

@2:35 Pointless?
This article is titled, "Police on the Run in Mexico".
I presented a question:
What's wrong with 'la quota', 'la mordita', bribery, and other forms of cheat?
A given fact: The police officer on the take, is a primary part of the culture of coruption in Mexico.
*I explain how a culture of bribery cripples and destroys a nation's economic vitality.
*I gave Rome as a prime example of why the conditions of economic supression(corruption) are short-sighted, selfish to a fault, and a proven model for failure.
*Lastly, the twelve indicators of state vulnerability, are globally accepted and, SPOT ON.

My response was directed to the topic of this article, which I also address in the 1:40PM blog finishing with,
"'Working from within' a bad system, expecting to somehow to arrive at good results, is irrational. Think about it. Isn't this the problem: Fighting bad guys... as a bad guy myself?"
It's one thing to think of cartels and corrupt government entities in some other country as the 'bad guys' but how honest are we willing to get? Willing to extend the definition to include the 'bad guys' in our own back yard?
The angel of death may be busy in Mexico, but angels don't discriminate like people do.

Anonymous said...

I live in MX and I can tell you that I agree with gun control. If the military style weapons were not available freely in the US those type of weapons would not so easily make it to our country. Excluding cartel violence, we do not have as much violence or car accidents as the US. As it is now we can legally own guns that are not military style but it is a long process most of us do not take advantage of. I do not own a gun and am not interested in owning one.

Anonymous said...

Mexicans can own guns!

Anonymous said...

You sir, are and idiot. It's called gun CONTROL not a BAN. We must control certain weapons because people in this country are to irresponsible and careless with them. Probably just like you...

Joe Lara said...

Gringo ,
I have security and military experience and I have been all over Latin America as a consultant to individuals and businesses who need security expertise . Squads like the Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia were one of the reasons that the tide turned in Colombia in favor of the government in their war against the FARC and the ELN . In Mexico individuals should form small cells of 3 or 4 individuals and "clean up " their cities of undesirables . The term death squad is alright but I prefer " social cleansing units " Their would be no top national commander as every city or town in Mexico would be autonomous .

Anonymous said...

The only thing they should ban are idiots from getting there hands on firearms. Guns don't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl. There's a deference l. Don't be a fucking idiot

Anonymous said...

@7:26 yeah but Joe the government is in on it, mexico is way different to southern country's, it runs deeper with mexico,at every level in mexico there is crooks.

Anonymous said...

"In Mexico individuals should form small cells of 3 or 4 individuals and "clean up " their cities of undesirables"
Isn't this exactly how the Zs go about taking a town/city?And who decides who the fuck is an undesirable?Drug addicts?Are they ok if they smoke MJ?Or should they get killed?Somewhat idealistic.

Anonymous said...

ebruary 3, 2013 at 6:24 AM
"Guns don't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl"
Guns dont kill people,rappers do!Its a known fact,did you know how much they know about the guns that we know of today?You think you know,but as joe lara says,it smeels funny,but all you know is from what you hear on the radio,rappers kill not guns,just so you know!

Anonymous said...

Criminals are going to get their hands on automatic and illegal weapons regardless if they're banned or not

Anonymous said...

U have got to be an idiot not to know that the only damn reason they are not doing that shit openly in the u.s.a is because we the people are armed and heavily i might add.u are never gonna stop all nut jubs but u try.i lived in oklahoma city when timothy mcveigh blew up that building and killed 168 people and he did it with fertilizer and not a gun.u cant always predict those people as hard as u try

Anonymous said...

Because alot of citizens here have the same kind of weapons as the narcos and are not about to give them up to nobody.i personally know some of them.they have a run on ar15s now in this country cause so many people here are buying them.there is well over 300 million guns in the hands of citizens here and is our 2nd amendment right thank god.europe has been invaded in the past from other countries but we have not so far and i do believe it is because we are well armed here

Anonymous said...

Thats because we do not have a good mental health system in this country.maybe we should send our nut jobs and psychopaths to mexico to fight them.if they r going to kill people cause they are unstable why not let them kill some of the narcos lol.americans will never give up their weapons we dont care what law gets passed against them

Anonymous said...

Thats what hitler did

Anonymous said...

We have alot more people in the u.s so we are gonna have more car accidents.as for the guns? The narcos would just buy them from some other country but they will always find a way to get them even if the u.s were not in the picture. If i lived in mx u damn right id be heavily armed maybe even grenades lol but i would not be a freakin sitting duck like u people are right now and the narcos take advantage of the fact that u are not armed.makes it alot harder to kidnap people when u are as well armed as they are

Anonymous said...

Alot of people here have assault rifles too and spent time in the military so we know how to use them.dont assume all we own in the u.s.a are turkey rifles

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