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Zetas Narco Banners: "We Are Not Dividing"

Monday, August 6, 2012 |

Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat


Narco Mantas (banners) signed by the Los Zetas cartel appeared over the week end in multiple states. 
The message on the mantas is essentially the same; refuting the persistent rumors that the cartel has been subjected to infighting, in particular between its leaders;

Heriberto Lazcano aka "El Lazca" or "Z3", and Miguel Trevino Morales aka "Z40".  Lazcano is a leader from the founding group, Trevino was hired when the Zetas became the enforcer group for the Gulf Cartel. Trevino is a brutal leader and said to be responsible for the cartels diversification into kidnapping and extortion. 


Trevino is often the target of taunts in narco mantas of rival cartels, as they refer to his stint as a car washer.

The photos are of the mantas  hung in Saltillo, the capital of the Mexican state of Coahuila, a Zeta stronghold and in the vicinty where one or more of  the Los Zetas reside.







THE BANNER TEXT IN SPANISH:

LOS ZETAS NO SE DIVIDEN”. Se unen más que nunca en contra de los informantes Pitarrones. Eso de la división ES CAMPAÑA BARATA de los informantes.
Attn  Unidad Zeta
Mas unidos que Nunca
“Sufragio Efectivo no Reelección” B9223601
TRANSLATED TO ENGLISH:
The Zetas are not dividing.
We are more united than ever against the blowhard informants 
The division is just a cheap campaign of the informants.
Sincerely,
United Zeta
more united than ever
"Real Democracy, No Reelection"  B9223601*
*NOTE: This slogan was the battle cry of the Mexican Revolution, which began in 1910. The phrase "no reelección" refers to the president at the time, Porfirio Diaz,  who was in his sixth term. Under the current constitution, Mexican presidents are allowed to serve only one six-year term called a "sexenio". They cannot be reelected. In Mexico, the phrase is commonly found at the bottom of documentation, however has no relevance to the content of a document. 

ADDITIONALLY, a reader contributed this analysis, which I find plausible:
"What they mean by democracy and no re election is that they have a good leadership structure and that the main boss is lazcano and he is the one that runs them,  "B-9223601 that is similar to Lazcanos signature that number is the number that was assigned to Lazcano while being a GAFE"

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Anonymous said...

i did a google search for the words "sufragio efectivo no reeleccion" and it popped up in wiki about the mexican revolution

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revoluci%C3%B3n_mexicana

this what in the page

«Conciudadanos: - No vaciléis Pues Un momento: tomad las Armas, arrojad del Poder una usurpadores los, recobrad vuestros Derechos de Hombre Libres, y recordad Que Nuestros Antepasados ​​Nos legaron UNA Herencia de gloria ¿qué no mancillar Podemos. Sed COMO ELLOS were:. Invencibles en la guerra, magnánimos en la victoria »- Sufragio Efectivo, No Reelección.
San Luis Potosí, octubre 5 de 1910 -.
Francisco I. Madero,


translation.

My fellow citizens: - Do not hesitate for a moment: take up arms, throw the usurpers of power, recobrad your rights of free men and remember that our ancestors left us a legacy of glory that we can not tarnish. Be like they were invincible in war, magnanimous in victory. "- VOTE CASH, NO RE-ELECTION.
San Luis Potosi, October 5, 1910. - Francisco I. Tree

Anonymous said...

Pitarrones = heterosexuals

Anonymous said...

So they care what we think about them? Jerks...

Anonymous said...

Damn! Im so disappointed! I was hoping the division was true, I was hoping maybe trevino loyalist and lazcano loyalist would duke it out until they just killed eachother off!! That would have been sweet!

Anonymous said...

Wow, for them to even respond speaks to how dumb and weak they are. This basically proves that they are having serious problems.

Anonymous said...

las z are a bunch of cowards that just with weapons and stoned do harm people who work hard

Anonymous said...

August 6, 2012 12:39 PM .....carnal,brother so that means if they wouldn't respond they would be consider still a strong cartel,cmon bro be realistic ellos no se dividen y le digo algo esos cabronez stan fuertes o mas fuertes que nunka.be smart karnal don't just talk shit out ur ass,estos vatos si creen en el lealtad les corre en las filas de los zetas asi es la escuela de los zetas la lealtad es primero.y claro si ai traciones pero esas traciciones se pagan con la muerte.metete a la mana y veras como es differente el asunto.LAS MANTAS QUE PONIAN A NOMBRE DE LAZCANO ESAS NOMS SON DEL PARTE DEL CARTEL DE GOLFO Y CARTEL DE SINALOA PARA TRATAR DE CONFUNIR COMO LOS PENDEJOS DE LOS GOLFOS SE ANDAN MATANDO ENTRE ELLOS MISMOS EN REYNOSA YMIGUEL ALEMAN.ASI ES LA ESCUELA DE LOS GOLFOS LA PURA TRAICION PARA ELLOS YA LES CORRE EN LA SANGRE.AI GENTE PENDEJA IGNORANTE QUE YA TENGO ANGOS MIRANDO QUE DICEN "LOS ZETAS YA STA DEBILLITADOS,LOS ZETAS TIRANDO PATAS DE AHOGADO " JAJAJ TODAS ESTAS MAMADAS Y MIREN TODAVIA NO PUEDEN DEJENSE DE STAR CIEGOS ESTA GUERRA TODAVIA VA A LA LARGA PENDEJOS.

Anonymous said...

I agree, why reasure everyone, if nothing was really wrong why even leave a banner saying they were not dividing. Its a show of weakness.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Oh man,been sayin that this was bullshit.Lazcano,Trevino are tighter than anyone thinks,it is just as the message says.There is no split,just propaganda and trouble making.Now we got a poster above saying"wow,this proves they are having problems"?Fuckin classic.You go round and round in circles.

Anonymous said...

Fuckin losers. Hope they kill themselves.

BD1233 said...

What's up with the suffrage/election thing at the end? and the number code?

Anonymous said...

Pitarrones or Pitarras is spanish slang meaning:snitches.

Anonymous said...

finally doesn't look like a dirty zeta dresses more like a boss but zetas fuck them

Anonymous said...

'Sufragio efectivo no reeleccion'. What has this saying that dates back to the mexican revolution do with their narco bullshit? This means that when someone is elected president of Mexico, that president only serves for one six year term, and he CAN NOT BE RE-ELECTED. What a bunch of ignorant mf's.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. The Zetas say one thing...but the first rule of understanding criminals is to assume they're lying about everything.

The fact they put up a narcobanner addressing just that issue shows that they're worried about outside perception of what appears to be a real problem for them.

Then they blame the accusations on informers within the group. The fact that they openly admit informants are a problem within their ranks shows that there is indeed a division.

Thankfully, gangsters, for the most part, are stupid, vain, drug-adled idiots who sit on their brains all day. No one will ever accuse a gang member of being smart. They have given us all a glimpse into what's going on in the Zetas that they never intended to do.

Whoever decided to publicly state that there are informants in the gang through a banner is probably laying the foundation for an internal Zetas blood-letting. We can only pray the Zetas slaughter themselves without hurting any innocent bystanders.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 12:30pm. Its like if I call u a 'sissy poopy pants' and in response u put up a banner saying 'I am NOT a sissy poopy pants.'

Anonymous said...

August 6, 2012 1:12 PM
hermano, a un jugador ?Tell us more guey.
Anythaing you wanna speak on.C,mon man.
Whats up with diablo,you lookin for that.

Anonymous said...

Why are they bothering with that old slogan? So they want EPN thrown out or later him after the first 6? They could kill him at any time, but EPN is their little empty headed-pretty Zeta puppet. What are they talking about or is it not literal? explica por fa

Anonymous said...

Pitarrones means snitch

Anonymous said...

http://youtu.be/YsEn0KDbmGs /////AHI ESTA PINCHES GOLFAS Y LUEGO DICEN QUE NO HACEN MAMADAS CONTRA EL PUEBLO MEXICANO PINCHES HIPOCRITAS CULEROS.MATARON 14 NVO LAREDENSES INOCENTES PERO X CADA UNO YA NO HEMOS COBRADO PINCHES CULOS.LA DIFFERENICIA ENTRES USTEDES GOLFAS Y LOS ZETAS ESKE LO ZETAS NO SE HACEN PASAR X LOS SANTITOS COMO USTEDES Y SON LO QUE SON.NO CMOO USTEDES Y POCA MADRE EL PUEBLO LES CREE JAJAJA

Anonymous said...

Yay! The Zetas didn't break up! They sound more like a boy band than a cartel. I guess if the Backstreet Boys can stay together, so can they.

Anonymous said...

It wouldnt make sence to split up when they are being attacked by both sides. Like I said before simply a rumor. But why reassure the public?

Anonymous said...

I agree its obvious they're having problems. When you have to make a manta or two to try to reassure people usually its the opposite. They have operated very reckless and brought the attention of the world on them and in not good light. No one loves or likes a narco but they especially don't like a barbaric one that kills women and children. Thats mostly what Z's do. They do that to show they will stop at nothing and will not spare anyone. It's a scare tactic but I'm sure with all the massacres they have been responsible for the army and government is hot on their heels. Now with the heat on in the kitchen the roaches will try to run out run north or to Venezuela or Guatemala. I see z3 or forty being caught or killed very soon. Before this year is over one of the two will be killed or caught. And of course forty is going to sell z3 out.

Anonymous said...

Arriba de un poste Puto lacra no te la rayo Por que tiene culpa tu madre ojete pero Cuando quieras darte un tope vengase a culiacan

Anonymous said...

Zeta narco unity manta...not even worth the waste of breath.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how a 40 photo has been found? )He posted it in the social sites?)

Anonymous said...

Pitarrone: Dar Pita. To Honk A Horn. Blowhard, Noises pero no sirve.

Anonymous said...

The Zetas continue to grow in power and are winning the war against the other cartels. Why would they decide that now is the time to fight each other? Neither side will stand a chance if they're fighting each other AND the Sinaloans/Gulfos.

Anonymous said...

What they mean by democracy and no re election is that they have a good leadership structure and that the main boss with is lazcano and he is the one that runs them, now "B-9223601 that is similer to lazcanos signature that number is the number that was assinged to lazcano while being a GAFE

Anonymous said...

DEATH PENALTY NOW FOR ALL CARTEL MEMBERS!

Anonymous said...

You always see the same photo of Trevino-Lopez. The one above is different. When is it from?

Chivis said...

@ 7:39PM
Hey thanks..I knewwhat it meant but not the numbers and always when something is in a message that seems out of place is not, it always has a subliminal meaning. I like what you wrote and I will add to my footnote on the post...

@7:06 Blowhard makes perfect sense, i did not think it would be snitch as it would be redundant. I will add blowhard and see if somone challenges it.

As for the photo looks like a hotel or airport for some reason I believe it is airport. I believe they are from a security camera, but not sure. I snagged two out of a collage and worked it in photoshop for clarity and color. I think they look pretty good. I will post another for your amusement, I do not know how they were obtained exactly....Paz, Chivis

Anonymous said...

Pendejo tu zetacuacha! Del lado americano el hermano de 40 esta relajando a todos, ya le puso el dedo a Su propio sobrino y lo torcieron en Monterrey, al rato va a relajar a todos los demas.

Anonymous said...

Pitazo - to give someone a "heads up" or blow the whistle

Pittarrones - group of individuals giving the "heads up" or whistle blowers/snitches .

Anonymous said...

@ chivis where did you get this article from?

Anonymous said...

My opinion this manta is a sign of weakness for the Zetas.. why would they go out of there way to proof that there still together?? They wanted world attention, and now they got it.. Everyone hates them and almost every cartel wants them extinct.. its gonna end up been Zetas vs every cartel in Mexico.. By the end of this year (2012) I believe either z40 or lazcano is gonna bite the dust... And by the way EVERY CARTEL KILLS KIDS AND WOMEN.. cause the corridos told u otherwise u believe it.. Chapos, Gente Nueva kills innocents and extorts good working people in Chihuahua...

-LALO-

Anonymous said...

.

Ok, so we got the message "Los Zetas No Se Dividen"

Bueno, sabemos que "They only wash once a year (if necessary) and that is WHY, when they are together all in one room (TOGETHER) THEY STINK SO MUCH!

I think 'them Zetas' SHOULD Split Up 'a bit' In Order That MEXICO 'c.a.n.' B-r-e-a-t-h-e !!!

<< GIVE MEXICO A BIG, LONG, 'BREAK' forever! >>


Es un mensaje escrito por "La Nueva Generación De MARIPOSAS!!!"

@ Los Zetas y el resto de la mi...a

Chivis said...

@ 9:19PM

I am not sure what you mean, I wrote the article, that is why it says "by Chivis" I just looked at the pictures, accesed the manta text and developed the story by translating, then adding a little backstory including the bottom line beginning with sufragio. Its not much but it is better than throwing it up with no story.

Anonymous said...

Los zetas are far from being done, they are in sinaloa and are advancing in durango,they have strong allies with plenty of paper to continue the war on cds and cdg! They have taken hits in leadership but like any organized gang soon as one gets taken out another steps in.i know theres plenty of hearsay here on this blog, but unless ur in the trenches thats all it is hearsay!! Rio doce just ran an article on the encroachment of zetas in sinaloa,and i dnt want to read any bullshit saying im a zeta supporter cuz im not, i wish all criminals would get shot! All cartels included!!!

Anonymous said...

Really? Or does it put to rest any of their own people from questioning whats going on. Or let other cartels thinking its a good time to strike change their mind. What signs of in fighting do u see?

Anonymous said...

He was arrested in dallas b4 becoming 40.

Anonymous said...

And in the End it will be the Zetas VS the Sinaola, Chapo may have the respect, connection and influence but the Zetas will win because they have the man power and unlimited numbers of peasants to fight for them, you want to be a zeta no skills requirement and no age limit thats why they will win.

Anonymous said...

Theyre are definitely problems within the structure and its obvious they wont admit it if they were so united why didnt they sign off on it theyre names like other mantas in the past some one is not getting along with the other if there were no issues it would have been mutual therefore allowing the low level zetillas who made the mantas would have gotten orders to sign both names commonsence to the leaders jeez, not united as stated.

Anonymous said...

THEY ARE all snorting too much of that sh*t they are pushing obviously.

Anonymous said...

Good job

Anonymous said...

They are part of the Revelation.

Anonymous said...

Excellent.

Anonymous said...

This is it. Everything is going on Earth.

Chivis said...

@10:39

I have the RioDoce article in draft and will be posted in the AM....Paz, Chivis

Anonymous said...

agreed, z40 or Lazca will be locked up or dusted before 2013 rolls around. Zetas are slowly disintegrating.

Anonymous said...

NOW, ITS GOING TO BE Z-GOVT. WHY DO YOU THINK CHINA HASN'T SAID A WORD?

Anonymous said...

Z's aren't advancing in Durango. There mostly in areas by zacatecas and torreon. Los M's put a hurting on them and la liñea in dgo city. And as you get closer to la sierra el chapo and mayo have alot more power and people

Anonymous said...

Si no pueden con el pariente del Tubi güey, que van a poder con Sinaloa!

Anonymous said...

Only a manata with lazcano's name.
Has trevino been murdered by lazcano and this is a message to his supporters to unite.

Anonymous said...

Sinaloa will win b/c it apprars they care at least a little about their country, Zetas dont care about shit and that is already proving to be their demise....

Anonymous said...

o vente para reynosa aquii les dan tronco los golfos junto con una birnvenida a tu vieja :D

Anonymous said...

How many times posters on here have said"Lazca,40 are gonna be arrested killed?Just about every time a story like this is published.Where is there any evidence that a split is going on in leadership?Oh yeah,this message,and a couple of video songs?No cheer-leading just common senses.
Everyone been waitin for Guzman to go down for an age,same with many others.It is wishful thinking.
Something a bit more radical than wishful thinking is needed.

Anonymous said...

I believe the same thing this manta was placed for the following reasons
1. They are too weak and want to show them selfs stronger!

Or

2. This was placed by rival cartels to give zetas more attention and have the mexican military put all their attention to them.

Its not long before zetas run out of people their aresnal might be big but they are getting killed and captured way faster than what their recruting people

Happy late birthday Metro 3

Anonymous said...

Who's Trevino Lopez.??..jerkoff!!!!

Anonymous said...

There aint no proof that z40 or lazca actually signed this manta

Anonymous said...

So the loser puts B-9223601, his old GAFE number, on the manta? Does he vision himself a good soldier boy? Doesn't he remember he DESERTED and instead of being a good soldier he is a DESERTER without honor to his country or the profession of being a soldier? Yeah, loser-boy, you're NOT a soldier, so quit dreaming of the brief plazo de tiempo that you actually were. You're a pathetic DESERTER and TRAITOR to your country and its people. Period.

Anonymous said...

@ AUG. 6 2012 1:12PM
No seas mentiroso pendejo..ustedes han de tener un conflicto..nomas handan escribiendo tarugadas para que la poblacionpiense que no hay problema..si no fuera cierto, para que hacer la manta?...Ustede para mi y el gobierno U.S.A. siempre seran un pinche chiste..hahah..You guys are a Joke just like Nixon.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, loser-boy, you're NOT a soldier."

Ohhh, y otra cosa. I don'y know about Mexico, but I don't think there's a MOS for "Car Washer." So Z-40, you can't envision yourself as a professional soldier tampoco. Instead of being a DESERTER and TRAITOR like Z-3, you're merely a pathetic leach upon civilized society. Please stop wasting our oxygen.

Chivis said...

Note to all:

The comments coming in have taken a turn for the worse. Its a shame because many are very interesting, or excellent points made, but they are not passing the post test because of vile/offensive language or harsh personal attacks. Especially those in Spanish, but English not far behind. Buggs runs a tight ship and does not want us o dive in the toilet as other blogs.

I only write this because again today, already 20 comments have been thrown out and it is only 1PM and some contained good information.

Clean it up a bit and they will get in

Anonymous said...

Si el Miguel le tenia miedo al tubi por eso lo mando a matar. Y por que no dicen que Nuevo Laredo ya estan entrando Los contras con merka asta Los del golfo ya tienen tiendas. Y el que les movia toda la Merka en Nuevo Laredo por que no dicen nada Los zetas el mentado mayito que el ejercito le volo un pierna y lo pescaron y Los mismo zetas se lo kieren meter para que no hable por eso ya ay mas merka en Laredo Texas por que es del cdg y cds

Anonymous said...

To be precise, a "pitarron" is sort of a scandalous or noisy person who opens his mouth to stir things up. Not necessarily a snitch or a blowhard.

Anonymous said...

Meh, they can still kiss my ass.

Anonymous said...

Good read thanks,,,,,

Anonymous said...

Totally agree

Anonymous said...

Back in the day, the FBI had the KKK so heavily infiltrated that the knew what the KKK was thinking before they had the thought. Their meetings became FBI meetings and the KKK fell apart.

You could do the same thing to drug cartels except it's nearly impossible to coordinate when multiple agencies are involved. You can hate the FBI and the DEA all you want but they are working on it and they do not give up.

Anonymous said...

I have been seeing and saying it for a while now.
The racist language mostly by Mexicans,is getting ridiculous,there is no need for it.Arguing about the merits or lack thereof of Mexico and the US is one thing.But using"whiteboy,whiteman,gringo,is uncalled for.How often do you see racist remarks against Mexicans on here?You think we dont get fed up seeing it all the time?We dont want it turning into the Spanish speaking sites,where it is threats and ultra vile language,and cheer-leading for one cartel or another.WE CAN ARGUE BUT LETS LEAVE THE RACISM OUT OF IT.ALL CARTELS ARE BAD FOR MEXICO.

Anonymous said...

Please explain the car wash reference

Anonymous said...

All ya people speculate stupidly. Do it smart . Stop being cartel cheerleaders and stop sounding.like dumbass's completely saying lets bring in the marines blah blah....
This Manta shows they are having a power struggle. Matter fact they may have even divided them.selves. i have seen all the.mantas they put up. I find something weird.
La Compania Z.la unidad movil z. COMPANIA z.... Z.
And many mote names i cannot recall. I have also seen mantas supposedly out up by zetas to be removed by zetas n denying such.
Also for lazcano to say there is no splitting. He simply went and showed he is the boss n no one is above him. How? Simple only sign what you really are. GAFE. NOT NO.CARWASHER.
The no re-lection simply states their porpose Power for cash.
Overthrow the Gov as money will come in flowing. I can understand such message.
What has me worried is from where the cash is or will be coming from.
We know who.created,sponsors and trained them. Im just.wondering.is their plan starting to advance.to.phase 2? Overthrow.government..which will be followed by intervention..i mean destabilizing the country has occurred already tnx to them which was step 1. Any one with political knowledge will understand what i mean.
I have also been following the news and as the.middle east becomes uneasy . So does countries in.latin America that contain oil. Coincidentally? I don't think so.
Also.i want to bring up Syria so guys can get a better insight.
Did ya know president Obama signed and allowed CIA to have covert operations to destabilize syria as we see now what isbhappening. The rebels are not free.army fightes. They are hated in syria by the people.the people actually want the army to crackdown on the rebels on higher scale. The rebels are killing people indiscriminately,using sharpshootera to stop people from obtaining goods and having.them locked up in their blocks,villages. Only way they.can get food or such is by throwing the things across the street n dragging.them with anything they can so they won't be shot. Mexico is going the same way,isbjust they never expected.Mexicans.to fight back using.the same tool they wanted to use.to completely ruin.Mexico ..which is drug trafficking. Sadly for U.S the violence is bouncing.back. it won't be as quiet as prohibition. But actually way worst. When there is crackdown on cartels such.n such actions..lead to a reaction here in America ,which is violence . Don't beliehe my words ? Follow the news follow reports. Everything connects back go bullshit politics.
I hate people.embracing.atrocities because they.feel superior,but.also because they don't want.to.admit ones.government is causing.mayhame in.the world. But with education n blogs but.more.importantly with smart educated opinion we can.change and inform.people.



MJ18-

Anonymous said...

Exactly

Anonymous said...

I think there is alot of dis informers on this comment page! Like the guys insisting that letting people know the truth about the false separation scandal can some how be seen as weakness! i will be the first one to admit that i wouldn't mind seeing the Zetas take the upper hand for a while. Im tired of el chapo and his hunger for totalitarian dominance. People always point there fingers not knowing facts, but are in fact lead by media and these dis informers! El Chapos cartel has gone weaker from the inside out do to all the people he gave up! here is a list, Alfredo Beltran,Arturo Beltran,Nacho Coronel,Sergio Barragan, and a hole lot of them. We that are in the out looking in see and opinion but the Sinaloa cartel operatives know in there sub contious that what El Chapo does is of the up most shameful even in the criminal world! I really enjoy reading on this site especially when wright tells storys of Isdro Meza Flores, los mazatlecos,Beltran Leyvas,Zetas,Carillo fuentes all ganging up on Chapo its a breath of fresh air vs all the others that favor El Chapo and his millions

Anonymous said...

Miguel Trevino el z40 used to wash the cars n bring the corn tortillas for this gang in Nuevo Laredo named Los tejas in another words he was slave

Anonymous said...

It's reference came from
One of El CHAPOS MANTTA SINGS
FROM WHEN EL CHAPOS THUGS
KILLED SOME OF THE Z BOYZ
A WHILE BACK
BEING CALLED A LABAA CAROS/CARWASHER
IS LIKE BEING CALLED A BUM
BUT IT'S MUCH FUNNIER IN
SPANISH IT'S LIKE CALLING SOME ONE A BUM.LIKE HAY STOP STANDING OUT SIDE MY STORE YOU
BUM.VE TE DE AQI PINCHCE LABAA CARO. AL-Q.GOD BLESS

Anonymous said...

I agree this site is for theories
Not about how you hate someone who
is different than you.

Anonymous said...

In reference to the KKK you are wrong, I'm a truck driver so I travel the 48 states and they are very active mostly in the south and southeast states. If you don't believe me go.to Brownwood, Texas where they hold weekly meetings, they even sell T-shirts and base ball caps with the figure of their Great Dragon or whatever they call their chief.A KKK related ex-soldier walked into a church in Oak Creek, Wisconsin 3 days ago and killed six people and wounded seventeen before a police officer-also wounded - killed him. The KKK is still active also the skinnedheads.

Anonymous said...

Wat stupid ass said the fbi ilfitrated kkk the fbi are the kkk edger j hoover is not a real hero he had every black leader under investigation not his friends the kkk they are scared of blacks anyway fac

Anonymous said...

Thank you! Lets talk like people and stop fighting.like animals. If you don't like.my argument is ok. You have the right to disagree. Just like i have the right to disagree.

Anonymous said...

Efectivo means good or valid. Doesn't mean CASH.

Anonymous said...

Effectivo can mean cash certainly, as well as carry out or effective or cash out-

Anonymous said...

"Sufragio efectivo, no reeleccion" was the battle cry of several liberationist movements in Mexico. As sombody mentioned above, it was in reaction to the habit that Mexican presidents (Porfirio Diaz) had of electing themselves presidents for life, and to put on show elections where they were the only candidates (think PRI). So the Mexican constitution makes it clear that presidents, at least, can serve only one term. The Mexican governments, at all levels, have carried it further by limiting all political offices to one term. The phrase is usually attached to political signs or at least mentioned in political speeches as a sign of patriotism. It's pure bs.

Anonymous said...

MJ18-
A lot of what you say has definite merit.Syria seems to be going the same way Libya went.People need to research,and see with their own eyes what our western governments can get up to.Sometimes,they actually think they are doing the right thing,sometimes political correctness can cause big problems.But this scenario being played out in Syria needs a groundswell of some kind of opposition.It is being proven all the time,a lot of these so-called massacres are staged.Fake Syrian Army,the so-called freedom fighters are the ones committing atrocity's and killing people from differing religions not Assad.Research to make your own mind up.Just because it is our media,doesn't make it right or infallible.

Anonymous said...

B-9223601 is on the sedena website but I don't fully understand the Mexican spanish military speak. It says something about his official picture and how it was obtained using public domain means. Perhaps a fellow BB poster could give us a better understand of what they are talking about.

Anonymous said...

The following is from the Mexican version of Yahoo answers where it's claimed Lazcano never deserted from the military:

"Heriberto Lazcano L., ingresó al ejercito mexicano en 1991 matrícula B-9223601, y solicitó su baja voluntaria en 1998 -no desertó-, sólo llegó a ser Cabo de Infantería. Es quien ocupa el nivel más alto de la jerarquía de los Zetas, después de la muerte del fundador de los zetas Arturo Guzmán Decena (Z-1). Este último sí era de las fuerzas especiales del ejercito mexicano, quien desertó en 1997, y fue cazado y muerto por el propio ejercito mexicano en matamoros en 2002. La gran maryoría de los zetas se desvandaron a la muerte de Decenas, otros están muertos o están presos, pero los pocos que se quedaron y sobreviven ya no actúan en operativos, ahora sólo actúan Kaibiles (ex-soldados de elite del ejercito de Guatemala), son los "Zetas Nuevos" reclutados por Lazcano, ante la falta de personal en mexico.

Z1 muerto en 2002, Osiel Cárdenas en la carcel en marzo 2003, asumió el mando Rogelio González Pizaña, quien fue detenido con muchos Zetas en noviembre de 2004, entonces Lazcano asumió el liderazgo desde entonces y ha debilitado considerablemente lo que quedó del grupo original de Decenas."

Anonymous said...

Hay uno nuevo video de ANONYMOUS, sobre lo va pasar a nuuestro tierra. VEALO en GRILLONAUTAS2 en Youtube.

Anonymous said...

LOS Z SON LOS VERADEROS CAMBIO DE MEX. NOMAS TENGA PACIENCIA...

Anonymous said...

So Rogelio González Pizaña was Z-2?

Anonymous said...

August 7, 2012 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...

Si el Miguel le tenia miedo al tubi por eso lo mando a matar. Y por que no dicen que Nuevo Laredo ya estan entrando Los contras con merka asta Los del golfo ya tienen tiendas. Y el que les movia toda la Merka en Nuevo Laredo por que no dicen nada Los zetas el mentado mayito que el ejercito le volo un pierna y lo pescaron y Los mismo zetas se lo kieren meter para que no hable por eso ya ay mas merka en Laredo Texas por que es del cdg y cds
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what this guy is saying is interesting. Not sure if its true or not but ill translate anyways.

"Miguel was scared of El Tubi and is why he sent to kill him. How come they don't speak of the enemies entering Nuevo Laredo with "merka" (merchandise)? The Gulf Cartel even have stores. How come the one that moves all the "merka" in Nuevo Laredo does not say anything? The Zetas, El Metendo Mayito got his leg blown off by the Army and was caught and even the Zetas want to fuck him up so he won't talk... its the reason why there is "merka" in Laredo. It is because of CDG and CDS."

Who knows whats true or not with all these different opinions on here from cheerleaders. Only the ones in those areas can tell you. I don't support or cheer lead for any cartel. Just thought i translate the guys message because it caught my attention. Oh n you welcome my non Spanish speaking buddies ; )

EL Mero Mero

Anonymous said...

Dude in the top picture,is for real.He is the key.
That dude gotta go,but he to clever by half.
Ruthless hard core killer,with a brain for tactics and money.I bet that motherfucker goes out bangin before he caught.Same with 40,cant see him letting himself be caught,but hey,who knows.
If he is as clever as he seems,i dont know why he dont try and make some sort of truce with the other side.So they can get away from all this beheading shit,and commanders callin themselves devil and king of kings.I would try anyway,if they can cool it with the violence,maybe they wont have to run and hide so much.No-one likes dead bodies all over the yard,wheres the sense in that for makin money?

Anonymous said...

@ el mero mero
Te aventaste con la traducción.

Anonymous said...

"Oh n you welcome my non Spanish speaking buddies EL Mero Mero"
Ey man,always appreciate that,believe it.Takin the time to translate some for us.I can work it out eventually,and i gettin better,but dude,you know they say if you aint speakin a different language with native speakers of that language its harder to learn.Hermano,it is always appreciated when someone takes the time,and you right it was worth it,so just to let you know muchas gracias"EL Mero Mero"

Anonymous said...

You Think That will end The
MAFIA IN MEXICO? WHEN
THEY THEM SELVES GIVE
OUT DEATH PENALTY TO THERE
RIVALS.AND RIVALS DO THE SAME
DEATH PENALTY WILL NOT
WORK WHEN THE DEATH PENALTY
THERE IS IF YOU GET FOUND
SLIPPING/NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

Anonymous said...

Eso es pura farsa guey esas ordenes las puso el puto 40 para k la gente crea k neuron los cdg cds y como el joto de galvan esta alas ordenes de este joto del 40 mando a los medios no publicar las cosas que en rialida estan pasando puto ipocrita todas las matanzas Que an echo ustedes las de jalisco nvo leon san fernando y todo el tienpo lo negaron y culpavan a los contras asta k agarraron a los pinches covardes y confesaron lo k sus pinches jotos lideres los mandaron aser putos asi k desen el topon con los contras y govierno y dejen a los civiles inocentes en paz amarren los huevos y dediquen se al narcotrafico de drogas y no al puto cobro de pizo secuestro cobro de rentas y lo prinsipal dejen de matar ninos y mujeres inosentes putos mugrozoz...

Anonymous said...

Son una bola de pendejos si cren que la Letra se va dividir esas mantas las puso las Golfas como ellos se estan dando en la madre entre ellos mismos por eso querian crear un falso rumor.

Pero cayeron como pendejos la verdad cada vez las Golfas estan mas debiles que nunca ya ven al diablio ese re pendejo que esta subiendo videos como mata un halcon mientras el Z-40 le decapito su familia

Si dije Z-40 porque el salio en ese video para los que no sabian para que miren el Z-40 le bajo los huevillos al Diablillo ese devolada para que miren weyes La Letra tiene un buen Operativo sigues tu Rey de Reyes (R-1) vas a mamar pendejo.

El Operativo Z va por ti wey salgale donde estes escondido panochon al rato tambien cain aqui en Nuevo Laredo el panochon del Gringo y El 98 bola de Taiboleras Deseperadas.

Ya en levantdo un chingo de gente del Diablo en Victoria pero tampoco la Letra saca videos como los interogan el Operativo si tiene Objectivo y Escuela de los Grandes (Z-1)van a empesar a caer como moscas.

Atte:Yo Mero

Anonymous said...

Heriberto Lazcano is such a BOSS.

Anonymous said...

Yo Mero .
Is it him in the video?You understand and write english,so you know what im talkin about?
And Yo Mero,be cool on the"gringos"i got no hate for you man.And aint tryin to talk shit.

Anonymous said...

For everyone sayin they should bring back the death penalty,do you mean as a deterent?
Man,deter what?You think these dudes give a fuck about a death penalty?If you mean to get rid of them,once caught,maybe,so they cant do that shit again.But it aint gonna deter shit,they already got a permanent death penalty on their heads when they out and about.Anytime,anywhere,authorities,,,other crews,can start bangin on them,and they gonna die,comes with the territory dont it.

Anonymous said...

Whatever else everyone thinks about these 2 guys.
They are a deadly combination,how the fuck it got this big this quick has got to be down to them and Lazcano in particular.The Z force could easily have died away when Cardenas was collared.
But Lazcano,must have been making contacts and takin numbers all the way.They must have had it up and running at the time,and just kept getting bigger and attracting more players along the way.
From a hit crew and minding,to a fuckin conglomerate in what?12 years or less.I wonder just how much coca and shit they do move,or is it more protection,piracy,bit of this and that.
You see the money they were talking during the horse racing shit?Millions.

Anonymous said...

regarcing comment at August 8, 2012 1:03 PM. i read what it says on the sedena website. someone requested the picture of lazcano and referenced his id number. they request the picture be avaiblable to the public since he's on the most wanted list. on wiki the id card means this The Matrícula Consular de Alta Seguridad (MCAS) (Consular Identification Card) is an identification card issued by the Government of Mexico through its consulate offices to Mexican nationals residing outside of Mexico.[1] Also known as the Mexican CID card, it has been issued since 1871.[2] The issue of the card has no bearing on immigration status in the foreign country they are residing in.[3] The purpose of the card is to demonstrate that the bearer is a Mexican national living outside of Mexico. It includes a Government of Mexico issued ID number and bears a photograph and address outside of Mexico of the Mexican National to whom it is issued. so that makes me wonder if lazcano is overseas.

Anonymous said...

@10:57 I agree zboyz are like
RATS YOU KILL ONE AN OTHER POPS
OUT of NO WHERE.

Anonymous said...

Whether they are dividing or not why would they care to tell the public? Nobody cares, we just like hearing about the zetas that get popped. only good one is a dead one...but they multiply like the cocharoaches they are and just don't go away...

Anonymous said...

Es verdad que el talivan se volteo Al carteles unidos????

Anonymous said...

@August 10, 2012 8:30 AM

Thank you for elaborating about the sedena website.

Anonymous said...

The ppl in nvo. laredo say more marines on C-130 have landed at airport. There is talk about a marijuana / arms bust .more guys chopped up... Please inquire..

Anonymous said...

they made it clear

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