Tuesday, July 31, 2012

The Tarahumara Mountains: The Narco, tales of terror

Patricia Mayorga

Chihuahua, Chih. 7-27-2012 (apro). - Stories of terror in Guadalupe y Calvo Municipality, located in the Tarahumara Mountains,  repeat themselves day after day, without municipal, state or federal authorities doing anything about it. In the community of Ojito, for example, an armed group last Wednesday, July 26,  executed a young man, 27 years of age. The victim, Saul Martinez Rodriguez, was decapitated in front of his relatives.

Before they cut his throat, the murderers made a 16 inch cut on his chest. Hypovolemic shock was the cause of death, according to the Southern Zone Attorney general's office.

In Guadalupe y Calvo violence is the daily bread. The last week this past June, the armed group that controls this administrative government center stripped municipal police agents of their weapons and demanded 10,000 pesos for their return.  Not satisfied with that action, on the 29th an armed group slit open a man's throat in front of the hospital.

In an interview, the mayor Jose Ruben Gutierrez Lorea admitted there are violent incidents in his area, but it's no different than what is happening in other parts of the country, he said.

On election day, this past Sunday, July 1, members of a crime group threatened officials in a voting location in the community of Tohayana, and almost three months before election day, 34 men were murdered in that area.

Gutierrez Acosta (Lorea) said he became aware that something had happened in Tohayana, but he did not admit there were murders: "Yeah, they said there was a fight over there, but that's more than a month ago. There's not even that many people there any more, most of them have gone over to a town in the other state (Sinaloa), right now there's about two families left, that's what they say."

He assured (us) that the Army patrols the area and it's gotten more peaceful, although the locals have a different opinion . Fear has forced the people in the community to lock themselves in their homes every day,  and on weekends they prefer to get out of Guadalupe y Calvo. In the last few months, the State Human Rights Commission (CEDH) has insisted that (authorities) need to investigate what's happening in that municipality, which borders the State of Sinaloa.

On several occasions, the CEDH inspector/visitor for Parral, Victor Horta Martinez, has requested that municipal police officers be provided weapons, but up to now the local authorities have not responded. There are 60 officers working three shifts in the municipality, and a few more "sectionals" who work other areas..

CEDH President, Jose Luis Armendariz Gonzalez, admits that the violence in the municipality has increased and the rage has become "a natural thing." Criminal groups, he says, are constantly fighting in the towns, but it's difficult to report homicides or disappearances because the criminals themselves carry the victims off, for several reasons. They don't want to draw the attention of law enforcement agencies, he says, so they can keep on acting with impunity without the Army or the state and federal police feeling the need to strengthen patrols.

One of the members of the military who has worked in that area, located in the south of Chihuahua, assures (us) that, while [the Army]  has managed to seize drugs and weapons, and arrest criminals, his work --he declares-- is almost like that of a street sweeper; "it's as if you're sweeping and somebody is coming behind you throwing more trash."

He points out that drug trafficking is part of the inhabitants' daily life. For example, he illustrates,  indigenous women and children are hired to work planting and harvesting opium poppies (amapola) because they are skilled laborers for that type of crop, same as with apples, chile, onions, etc. Indigenous men take on the heavier work, such as harvesting marijuana, which is just another job for them since they don't get involved in organized crime because they are "nomads". They're not used to working for established businesses, so they go from job to job, from season to season.

Horror stories

At the municipality, the local area's government center, the inhabitants have turned their homes into "tanquetas" (light armored vehicles) and live with the uncertainty that at any moment and at any hour, they will see  armed men, with or without hoods, come to fight with each other or with the townspeople.

On weekends, teachers, medical personnel and residents leave the town, because the violence gets worse on those days.

"When we return, we find out there have been murders, abductions (levantamientos), kidnappings. Ransom demands are made in millions of pesos, generally 5 million pesos. People work hard to get the money together, it's very common for them to work the gum opium (la goma); they sell it and resell it and get the money," explains one of the town's school teachers.

People get together early in the day and behind closed doors to celebrate birthdays. "There's so much fear, that you lock the door, and if somebody knocks you don't open the door or ask who it is until you hear the voice of whoever is knocking. Or, if they come to visit, they have to call ahead by phone to warn you. Schools are always locked up, kids only go out for recess, and they don't leave until their parents come (for them). Only a few are allowed to leave by themselves because they live close by," he emphasizes.

According to the teacher, more than half of the students in one of the grade schools are orphaned of either a mother or father. In fact, there are class groups in which out of 23 students, 18 are orphans, since women are also murdered because they're the partners of men involved with criminal groups, he points out.

In Guadalupe y Calvo, the indigenous community, almost half of the population, is of Tepehuan ethnicity. There's a Catholic shelter that many of those indigenous people come to, used also by some mestizo (mixed blood) community members. In that shelter they treat young girls who have been raped, abused, abandoned or mistreated, and who are suffering psychological aftereffects. The shelter is operated full time and is financed by a sponsor and by the Chihuahua Business Foundation, but the workers are from the community, teachers and doctors.

"It's worth staying here because you see that you are making a difference, that you can do something for the children," says the teacher being interviewed.

"Everyone knows who sells and who uses (marijuana). The problem right now is that supposedly the people that had always been here belonged to El Chapo. About a year and a half or two years ago, they arrested a man they called El Mochomo, he's still in jail, and because they haven't gotten him out his people turned on him and are killing the El Chapo (Joaquin Guzman Loera) people," he says.

He recalls the massacre that took place three months ago in Tohayana, that, in fact, was not reported in the media. After they killed them, he adds, they (the killers) sent the town a warning: if you don't settle down, there will be more deaths. Last Sunday, (July) 22nd, they killed six, and five on Wednesday, the 25th, also in the municipal government center.

"The deaths are very bloody, they torture them, decapitate them, cut them into pieces. You generally hear more than a hundred shots, sometimes (the shootouts) don't last long in (terms of) hours, but they are more frequent. To get to El Vergel, for example, you have to go through Guadalupe y Calvo, and the people over there belong to another criminal group, so when they pass through here to get there, there's always a shootout."

The coordinator of the Chihuahua Institute for Adult Education in that area, Hector Jauregui, ran over a man a month ago in the municipality. The professor himself took the wounded man to the hospital but he died a few hours later.

The dead man was the father of one of the town's sicarios (killers for hire), who forced the police to arrest the driver and hand him over to him.

"It was so blatant! They killed him in front of many witnesses who heard him say, when they were about to kill him, not to do this because he had a family," recalls the teacher.

The CEDH got a complaint on that case and Inspector Victor Manuel Horta let it be known that, by order of the State Attorney General, any official who travels to Guadalupe y Calvo must travel with bodyguards, because so many of them have been murdered these last few months.

The Southern Zone prosecutor, David Flores Carrete, pointed out that the actions of the Municipal Public Safety Directorate in Guadalupe y Calvo cast doubt on the job they are doing.

In the municipality, the center of local government, local residents identify three pickup trucks that frequently drive through the place as (belonging to) a group that recently came from Sinaloa. They travel with hoods on, and wear military clothing and carry AK-47s (cuernos).

"They're young, and some of them go around with their faces uncovered all the time. Before, you knew who the bad guys were, you know who sells and uses drugs, but these days they don't respect anybody, everything has become bloodier," emphasizes the interviewee.

They flee for safety reasons

Dozens of doctors and nurses in the municipality have fled in the last year and a half because they were personally affected by the violence. Since 2010, the doctors at the regional Department of Health hospital have lived moments of terror when they've had to treat victims wounded by gunfire who belong to one group or another. For example, a married couple, both doctors-- he a pediatrician and she, an internist-- had to leave the hospital three months ago because one of them was attacked on the road to El Ocote, and they took their daughter away from the place because they received kidnapping threats. They asked for a transfer because of the situation with their daughter, but they were given only six months to take care of their situation.

The majority of the doctors who arrive there do it as part of their social service or internship, and when that (assignment) is over, they decide to remain there because they see the needs and goodness of the local people, who need them. However, the violence has forced them to leave, even those with 10 or 20 years on the job. The doctors are from Puebla, Guerrero, Baja California, Distrito Federal (D.F.), Sonora and Chiapas, Jalisco and Chihuahua.

"Nobody wants to move to the mountains any more," say two doctors who left the community. One left the hospital a year and a half ago, the other a few months ago.  According to the doctors, on at least three occasions armed groups came into the hospital looking for a patient to murder him.

In December, 2010, at 1:00 in the morning, individuals came and asked a nurse about a patient. When she pointed him out, they stabbed him. When the killers came out of the hospital room, the nurse came face to face with them. They were young men between 18 and 20 years old, and they threatened her with the knife.

A week later, on New Year's Eve, an armed group came into the hospital. A nurse on duty was intercepted and threatened by the "relatives" of a victim of one of the patients and forced to tell them where he was. They took the patient away and murdered him about a half mile from the hospital. The nurse was transferred for six months to a hospital in the capital city to be treated for post traumatic stress. At the end of that period, she asked not to return because there were threats against her.

The Health Workers Syndicate asked her not to file criminal charges.

On another occasion, at the beginning of 2011, a person wounded by gunfire arrived at the hospital, and his wife asked for protection because he could not be transported elsewhere. Hospital staff told them they could not guarantee his safety.

"The family brought a lot of armed people, they stayed in the hospital for 36 hours. It was a very tense situation. There were about eight people in the hall ways, and there were more in the parking area and on the wall (around the hospital)," recalls one of the female doctors.

Doctors and nurses had to deal with the situation during that time. The hospital director came in several hours later "and told the armed men, 'behave yourselves, because later the doctors will not want to treat you.'"

The Army came after the men had already left. They questioned the doctors, asked to talk with the patient and the hospital director. "The problem is that there were rumors that the doctors had notified the Army, and we were afraid of reprisals," he said.

On September 12, 2011, another armed group came into the hospital and murdered a 33-year old man who had just been brought in with bullet wounds. The armed men followed him into the emergency room, killed him and left. Hospital staff were in shock, but there were no reassignments.

Unprotected police

This past May 19th, the Guadalupe y Calvo chief of public safety, Eleazar Salas Martinez, was murdered. That afternoon, he left the office accompanied by one of his police agents and went to a place where he had an appointment, according to the testimony of the police officer, who survived.

When they got to a ranch house, several armed  men wearing hoods picked them up, blindfolded them with adhesive tape and took them to an uninhabited area. The police officer testified that he heard several shots and, after a few minutes, he removed the blindfold and saw there was nobody around.

The chief was 36 years old and left infant children. He had no life insurance or social security, nor did he sign payroll receipts, and he was listed with the City Council as earning very low wages. His wife will receive support from the Trust for Care of Victims of Violence. Nothing more. Last week, they murdered the police officer who survived that attack. He was with his brother and a nephew, who were also murdered.

The residents of Guadalupe y Calvo believe that it was that same police officer who set his chief up to be murdered. 

74 comments:

  1. You grow poison and eventually you will be poisoned.

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    1. That's why that guy shot all those people in the theatre. U let all those guns run freely into Mexico and now those same guns are killing Americans as well.

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    2. That didnt make any sense, what do u mean? Be more specific.

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    3. Lol didn't name sense, in order for it to make sense is by researching ,fast n.furious ,operation under obama n another gun walking operation under bush administration. They simply allowed weapons to be bought by cartels..matter fact they even looked for them. This government is as corrupt or even worst then Mexico's. Is just they good at hiding it. For example in Mexico we call it.corruption ,in the united states we call it.lobbying.

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    4. Man thats the dumbest thing ever.

      You must think guns have a brain right? And that guns kill?

      Thats retarded

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  2. no words....... Send in the marines. The US marines!!!! They prey on ppl who like to prey on ppl. Semper fi

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    1. Your words turn the truth into something that sounds fuzzy and warm. Know this as well, even a terrorist thinks he is doing what's right in the world.

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  3. "In an interview, the mayor Jose Ruben Gutierrez Lorea admitted there are violent incidents in his area, but it's no different than what is happening in other parts of the country, he said."

    Nothing to see here, move along...

    He must be on the payroll.

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    1. Agree.. the best thing to do is to look the other way.. Mexico is done, there's no trust,pride or loyalty in that country anymore... 95% of politicians or cops are crooks themselfs... There's very little hope for that country... Send the US marines for what?? U think cause there Americans they can't be bought?? EVERYONE has a price...

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    2. Yes! Everyone has a price, that's why there are so many pictures of the Gulf and Z cartel bosses with George Bush and Rick Perry at the Texas State Capitol and in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, they also had a price and sold their friendship and political power to the drug traffickers.

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    3. Who created the zetas? Who trained then? Who sponsors them ? If you answer usa to all questions above ,you win!

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    4. Let see the pictures

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    5. Go to the San Antonio neespaper, about a month ago.

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  4. These are one of the most coward trives in mexico that dont stand up for themselves. They need to man up like chiapas and michoacan and arm themselves and take there land back and make check points so no one that doesnt belong there goes in and kill a member of there comunity.

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    1. Okay its official your an idiot.

      If you dont know what you are talking about dont talk>.<

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  5. That area of Chihuas is really unsettled right now. Normally a really calm area and notirious for narco territory but never this bad. I do see this area involved in somewhat power struggle. CDS has always had their presence there but now with Beltran and Carrilo wreaking havo alot of people are going at it full blast.
    The people there aren't cowards they are just under sourced, give them arms and they will take out a few puto sicarios.
    Saludos,

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  6. "That's why that guy shot all those people in the theatre. U let all those guns run freely into Mexico and now those same guns are killing Americans as well."

    You are a retard. First, the guy in Colorado shot those people because he was crazy. Plain and simple. He didn't do it because they were growing opium for the wrong people. Second, those "guns" have been killing Americans, Mexicans, Jews, Arabs, Chinese, and everyone else this entire time. It's a new thing in Mexico not because of the guns, but because of bad men who choose to take lives without remorse. These guns will NEVER vanish into thin air. Never. There are too many. And don't assume they "all" come from the US. How many Mexican military and Police agents who have quit, and ransacked the armory before they left? Or, did you know that there are Mexicans all over the world looking for places to buy these guns, not just in the US, but in places like the Middle East.....where EVERYONE has an AK-47? Did you know that in one town in Pakistan, they manufacture 1000 AK-47's per day by hand, and you can buy one for $75 or cheaper in bulk?

    You bringing the Colorado shooter into Mexico's drug war is about the dumbest thing I have read today, outside of the article where they reported that there have been 19 murders and 150 rapes done by Mexican illegals that Erick Holders guys let go free. Stop blaming guns for a problem, when the real problem is the criminal themselves. And they kill with knives, chainsaws, and even recently they cut a guys head off with a folding saw used for tree pruning. These guys are bad, and that is it. It's not a guns fault, or even the US's fault for using drugs. If the supply wasn't there, the demand wouldn't be anything like it is now. In fact, why don't we in the US blame Mexico for flooding our streets with drugs, and demand that Mexico pay for everyone treatment and pay them on top of that for ruing their lives. See how absurd it sounds when you flip it around? This is Mexico's issue that they volunteered for. For once, blame the fucking bad guy!

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    1. Supply n demand. The us addicts demand drugs, the Mexican cartels supply drugs. They understand the simplicity of Demand n supply. Like the us has done world wide . You talk about the us as.the greatest no blame at all. But guess what. You are jot.the greatea matter fact one of the worst country world wide.
      Yes Mexico has 60k dead in 6 years. The united states has around 20-30k per year. More incarcerated per capita world wide.yet our population has fewer people then Mexico. We have kids gettinf shot at here in parks,white kids bombing school ,building. Shooting movie theaters nd you have the fucking hypocrisy of saying its Mexico's fault ?
      How about you stop watching.fox news n look investigate what happens in.the world. Thx to idiots ignorant like you shit like this happens because youstupidity allows it

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    2. you said it perfectly! The reply with a guy wrote below does not even making any sense. If he had had actually read what you wrote he would not have responded the way he did. people love to blame america for all of the worlds ills. But the truth is, there are many evil countries in the world today, and at least america tries to support some form of justice. Who would people rather have in control? China? India? neither of these countries cares a single thing about human beings. So for those of you who like to trash america, you should really consider the alternative or just shut your mouth.

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  7. Those people flipped when el chaputo promised them the world and protection. They had always worked for los carrillo. The thing is that when they find out everything they need to know he pulls the protection and here we are. Everyone is finding that out now thats why there a shitload of deaths all over chihuas. In Meoqui his guys are dropping like flies. If u read the newspapers and look online you'll see. It was peaceful before the mexican hitler came along and tried to take over.

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  8. July 31, 2012 4:11 PM .
    Preach brother preach,tell us more,keep on runnin it.

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  9. Stupid gringos. The solution is always to send in the marines. So they can be the next Zetas?

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    1. I said American marines dumbass!!! U think the American marines can be intimidated?! Or bribed?! Haha I was a 5th marine ask the Japanese on iwo jima or insurgents in fallujah. We don't talk we act. Psssh zetas don't the first thing about being a marine. We don't sell out our core values period. Retreat hell 2/5!! Fuck talking!!

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    2. Ok cool you are a Marine,,,ohhh an American Marine hahahaEither way you guys can die just how Zetas or any other Cartel members die.

      You are not inmortal dumbass.

      You reallythink that the narcos Ak47s and Caliber 50 bullets will respect you just because you are a Marine i meant to say an american Marine.???????????

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    3. You tell them brother! I served with the 82nd in Nam back in 69. My cousin was MIA in Khe-San , he served also with the 5th Marines, also had an uncle who served in WWII with the 2/4th Marines aka The Magnificent Bastards, and we know we don't sell our core values, the way those mf do. Semper Fi/ Airborne!!!!!!!!!

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    4. I would like to see the punk ass zetas or chapos facing a platoon of Marines or an Army Infantry platoon. Those cheap ass traffickers would turn yellow and start crying for their mothers.

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    5. And I would like to see Darth Vadder vs Spiderman. No mames pendejo! All that smoking crack make gringos believe they are inmortals hahaha! Stop thinking about sending the US marines. But all of you are bad ases behind your computer. Come fight yourselfs. And see who would turn yellow and start crying. You would shit your panties.

      Atte: Guillermo Costecho.

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    6. I already fought back in 69, and I am not a gtingo, I'm a mexican american from Brownsville, Tx and I know that I'm not immortal, I was severely wounded in Dak To, I'm 68 years old, but on a one on one you wouldn't stand a chance with a Marine or Paratrooper. If you don't agree with our laws and way of life, please go back to your country Mr. Guillermo Catracho or whatever your name is. US of A, love it or live it. I hope that your country has a food stamp program and gives you a welfare check. By the way the border patrol bus to the border with Mexico leaves before midnight, I pray that you make it on time. Hasta Nunca! Oh! Please take your family with you! Atte.SFC. Hector Pruneda, US Army Retired.

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    7. Hey! Rambo Catracho ya deja la computadora! Te vas a quedar sin plomo.

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    8. Hey! Mr. Guillermo Catracho, why don't you go and kiss some chapo's ass? This story is about the tarahumara indians. If you ain't going to post something useful, you should turn your pc off.

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    9. Cheap ass traffickers??Those cheap ass traffickers that are Billionaires,for example Chapo,Mayo,Azul,El H,Viceroy,Lascano. ,yeah those "cheap ass traffickers "will be giving orders and the Marines will only be receiving them.

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    10. The cheap ass mf can not even give orders to their wives, why you think chapo's beautiful wife lives with someone else in California? Because she is faithful? But let Mr tell you this law enforcement will catch his fat ass and everything is going to end. And when he spills the beans hundreds of traffickers are going to be in jail for many years. They will get him. The US Government got Osama's ass they will get Chapo's and.you will be without a job.

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  10. July 31, 2012 3:33 PM
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    "That's why that guy shot all those people in the theatre. U let all those guns run freely into Mexico and now those same guns are killing Americans as well . . ."

    That's the most logical, intelligent & brilliant response I've seen on any blogs/forums related to cartel activities in a LONG TIME . . . Thank you for standing your ground and putting these ignoramus to the lowest primordial level of existence . . .

    My friend you have been F & F ! ! ! (Fanned & Faved)

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  11. On that day this and on this day that... What in the hell is this story about? My gosh. We all read this stuff daily. This article was boring. Haa!

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  12. Marines don't retreat we.just attack to the rear!!!! Marines don't die!!!! We just go to hell to get more ammo!!!

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  13. Bribing a us marine is like asking for a bullet in your head...

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  14. I.told YOU that's what's going on in the golden triangle not just chi chi wawa

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  15. Some of you are either too young or too stupid to remember what happened when the Marines at the US Embassy in Moscow sold-out for some cat alone. Nobody is above a bribe.

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  16. Those marines were embassy guards lol I'm talking about 0311 infantry grunts. Psssh when these marines arrive the talking part is over!!! Either fall in line or die. I hope its the second one! Retreat hell!!! 2/5!!!

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  17. Yes Semper Wifi couch commandoes, you should be looking in your neighborhoods for those murrican gangsters but instead go after the easy targets outside your borders, how is that for selling out? Plan Colombia was such a success that it elevated Peru to #1 coke producing country. It was such a success Colombia was more violent than Mexico last decade. Great story about values, there are none.

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  18. The Marines are already there, being recruited in parking lots of Vet Centers and PTSD Clinics in South Texas by cartel recruiters with offers of payment never possible in a "regular" job. Becoming mercenaries in battles of Mexicano vs Mexicano it's justified because they don't fight against Americans!

    War is hell, but then-again so was Afghanistan so nothing new here except the amount of money being paid for what you know!

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    1. Payment never possible in a regular job? The Fucking sicarios and halconez get paid between 20 and 50 dollars a week! 99.99999% of Veterans will never sell their core values, not even for thousands of dollars a week. I have been to several Vet Clinics and Vet Center all over Texas, and have never seen a punk ass cartel recruiter. I'd like to be approached by one of this suckers so I can kick his punk ass all the way to back to Mexico.

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  19. Comparing the most effeciant fighting force in world history (Us Marines) to some coked out kids in zetas..haha The only way zetas could get kills is if they had IED's..they wouldnt stand a chance in firefights lol. Gotta love cartel fan boys.

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    1. Gotta love people that are all over the marines nuts,they actually believe that their(Heroes haha)are inmortal.

      Not even mexican narcos are that dumb,they actually know they can die and mentally prepare for it.Gotta love those Marine nuthuggers.

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  20. I know a couple.marines.and there pot heads lil.kids with a cocky attitude thats it.

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    1. They were mexican marines.

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  21. The American military is nothing but a welfare program. Most of those kids couldn't get hired at the local mcdonalds. Other than a few branches that actually require some intelligence, e.g. air force. The funny part is that the person that told me this was some west point graduate. The praise the US Army gets here is ridiculous lol.

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    1. Shut your man pleaser!!!! What a commie

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  22. "Who created the zetas? Who trained then? Who sponsors them ? If you answer usa to all questions above ,you win"
    Pure fool,the US tried to help advance their training,just like police forces do.But,it was your Mexican brothers who chose to go rogue and throw it in everyone's face.No matter what the US did,we would always be in the wrong with Mexicans,that's why i hope the US doe's not get involved in any way with Mexico.You people just dont get it with Marines and Army brotherhood.They are not going to be bought off by anyone,it is self perpetuating,it polices itself,that is why corruption never raises its head.Funny that isnt it,you always hear about corruption in the Marines etc,NOT.This is a cultural thing,the Marines and armed forces go where they are told,and sweep away every motherfuckin thing in their way.Everyone and everything cannot win every battle,it is common sense,but we know one thing.At least they try to do the right thing,at least we do that.USA,please stay out of Mexico,they don't want no part of us at all,this attitude above is not the minority.USA,STAY OUT OF MEXICO,NO MATTER WHAT WE DID WE WOULD BE BAD GUYS,ITS A NO WIN SITUATION,IN EVERY SISTUATION.

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    1. I am Mexican and yes please stay away. We don't want you gringos here

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  23. Guillermo Costecho.
    "All that smoking crack make gringos believe they are inmortals hahaha!Come fight yourselfs. And see who would turn yellow and start crying. You would shit your panties"
    Guillermo Costecho.Blow it out your ass bitch cakes.Do what you do best,,,hate and lose.
    Are you fuckin kidding me,cut a tied up motherfuckers head off,and you all tough?Man,you bitches never stop whining about the US,just like you doin now.The US wants nothing to do with you,why dont you leave the US out of your mess.And why do US citizens continue to talk about the US to these hysterical anti US Mexicans?
    All you are doing is giving them an opportunity to start whining...I know,try not to mention the US to them,we may get somewhere,i doubt it,but we can try.

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  24. LOOK AT THE COMMENTS HERE FROM MEXICANS.NOW YOU SEE WHY THE US SHOULD NOT GET INVOLVED IN ANY WAY.
    No matter what the US did,it would always be viewed in some nutcase conspiracy to grab their land?US,STAY WAY OUT OF THIS MESS,YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE."THEY WANT TO BE ALONE"LET THEM ALONE.

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  25. I have only just realized,this story is about"The Tarahumara Mountains: The Narco, tales of terror"
    How did it become an argument about the faults of the US?Oh yes,look at the comments,US citizens retorting to more hysterical ravings from Mexicans.I know how it was sabotaged,the same way it always gets sabotaged?Man,,,it is a lost cause.An exercise in futility,its like talking to a brick wall.Negativity every time all the time.

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    Hello ""Who created the zetas? Who trained then? Who sponsors them ? ... "

    Powerful message you wrote, thanks for that
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  27. "Hello ""Who created the zetas? Who trained then? Who sponsors them ? ... "
    Zetas were created by Osiel Cardenas and Arturo Decena Z-1, back in 1999, they were trained by US in Georgia, Decena was himself trained in Israel..

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  28. "Send in the marines. The US marines!!!!" hell yea they would be the new Kaibiles, The UZ marines!!!!

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  29. Who sponsors them ? very easy. themselves.
    they push kilos.

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  30. All of us who support the US,dont get into arguments about its merits or lack of,with Mexicans.You will learn why.

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  31. To the above gentleman,
    Please note that we don't want you Mexicans here in the US either but you people just keep coming. Please stay in your own country. you are not wanted here. Thank you.

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  32. "I am Mexican and yes please stay away. We don't want you gringos here"
    Reciprocate baby,stay the fuck outta the US,and we all happy.We dont have to listen to your whining ass,and you dont have to see my snow white ass.You sad losers hate everyone anyway.
    Old Mexico,you can keep that shit baby.

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  33. "Atte.SFC. Hector Pruneda, US Army Retired"

    SALUDOS AND RESPECT TO A REAL FIGHTING MAN.
    I salute you with all humility,we need more Mexican-American men like you,to show that you can be proud to be Mexican and American.You have fought for the USA,you have done more for your country than i have done.As you say senore,we need laws and we need respect for each other and they are worth fighting for.
    I salute you senore,may you live a long and happy life,from a"white"brother.

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    1. Thanks! Most people in the border have family in both sides. My parents were mexicans that came legally to the USA back in 1940, so I was born a US citizen. So I'm a Mexican American and proud of it as I'm proud that me and my sons are combat Veterans and members of several military organization. The fact that I live down in the border so close to Mexico and my mexican relatives hasn't change my way of thinking. Of course I'm sorry for what the mexican people are going thru with this cartels war and a 99% corrupt government. But the USA gave my parents a place to live and raise their children, gave me a chance to go to school and then become a soldier, gave me and my sons a safe place to raise our families, this country gave us everything we neede to succeed in life, and for this I'm very grateful. Me and my boys Proudly Served in the US Army, and we fight for peace and freedom. Freedom is not free, but is worth fighting for. The USA is a great country, I will never be able to re- pay what it has given me: FREEDOM. Thanks. SFC Hector Pruneda. US Army. Retired.

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  34. "I am Mexican and yes please stay away. We don't want you gringos here"
    I just said that,stay out of Mexico,its a mess.
    You have no respect for nothing and no-one,even your own....Yes,we will take your advice.

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  35. I find it histerical to see how the Americans think Mexicas just don't like gringos just becausea we feel like it. NO.
    WE DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE REASON WHY THIS MESS STARTED. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO.VISIT OUR COUNTRY N RPE YOUNG.GIRLS YET BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICAN WE MUST LET THEM GO. -.- or for example Spys caught in other countries as well as drones, but yet we must comply wth america because we are " the bad guys" n they are the liberatos. Who create more weapons.world wide then any other country. Who spends more then twice the amount of all developed countries put together in ita.military complex.
    Maybe my common sense is either too good or too bad to understand... you CANNOT BE LIBERATORS WHEN YOU CREATE THE MOST WEAPONS WORLD WIDE. All i spoke /wrote here is back up just do your research and find the numbers for your selfs. Shame on You American stupidity shame on You. Hereafter is a burger now go get fat since its all ya do be at Mc.donalds

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  36. Mexican Constitution does not allow for Foreign
    troops on its soil. Thats the way it is.
    The French have done memorial services in Veracruz form time to time at the French
    Memorial. Somebody likes the way it is
    rolling $$$$$ right now. No outside interference
    whatsovever and send more u.s. dollars to
    help fight the war. Thats right more money and free surplus Humvees but please no foreign
    troops only money and humvees.

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  37. August 2, 2012 6:04 AM .
    Ha,ha,ha,IS THAT YOU AGAIN?
    Ehrrr,its hysterical.

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  38. August 2, 2012 6:04 AM .
    "WE DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE REASON WHY THIS MESS STARTED"
    What a blurt.Whine,whine,whine,"its all the fault of the big bad US"boo,hoo.
    Persecution complex goin on,you need to get out more,get a job or something.Whatever.Just leave the US out of your pathetic whining.Do you ever NOT mention the US ?

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  39. "American stupidity shame on You. Hereafter is a burger now go get fat since its all ya do be at Mc.donalds"
    You a girl arent you?Baby imma a hard body,i work at it.Do you?Hate to break it to you,but i cant stand Mcshitburgers.As you are a girl,i wont talk about gettin fat,ok baby girl.You just stay fit.
    Oh,and keep hatin.

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  40. "THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO.VISIT OUR COUNTRY N RPE YOUNG.GIRLS"
    That is plain lying.Who killed and raped all those girls and women in Juarez?
    You know quite well who killed them all.Seriously,no joking,that is a national disgrace.Im not talking anti this or that.How they can treat women and girls like that is unbelievable.Do you really think"whites"as you would say,could run around Juarez killing hundreds of Mexican girls?Be real,im not talking all this anti US shit now.Dudes lust after women all the time,we all do.But,you cant just take them cause you want her?What kind of shit is that?Could be my sister,mother,relative.So please,dont start bringing lies and idiotic statements just to hate on the US and"white people"like me.

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  41. When I say cheap ass, I am referring to the lack of respect of this persons to human life, their lack of education and low moral values. Thanks.

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  42. "Hypovolemic shock"
    In English, he died of blood loss.

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  43. You guys find it hard to believe because none of.you really knows what goes on when.alot of people go to Mexico to have" fun". Research how many girls have been raped by American.tourist you will be surprised,alsk alot of them.like young girls . Its disgusting.lets not be hypocrites same things happen in both countries.
    And there is no wining when it comes to saying its because the us has.alot of fault. I don't know why you think im just.a guy doing.nothing ethanol his life. im going into law enforcement by next year ,i love politics. I am a political junkie,i embrace all the good the us has.done. i have never said in any statement ever written i hate.the us. I just simply condone policies which have been n are in.effect,which harms other people. I have done my research thats why i state what i stated.there is no reason to post nonsense shit.even tho isee it constantly.the stupidity,ignorance,and arrogance,shown by many members of this forum to other people is disgusting..is.not whether you are better then other is about showing.the truth so.all.thebpeople can know what's wrong,where did eediting started.attack.this problem by the root n.eliminate policies which allow drug trafficking,by keeping.a plant.perfectly fine.for humans..n if this was not the case pharmaceuticals will be replaced by.cannabis.over 27,000 products can bereplaced by using.hemp..we.can get fuel out.of.hemp. cheaper paper n.stronger out of hemp. No need.for.deforestation. but guess what because corporations wouldn't make.as.much as they would making chemicals for.medicine, n.pumping.n.burning oi milliona of barrels a day. Takes alot of.money n.pays.little to.the workers...when.countries.dont can't be installed a country.they use influence..corruption aka lobbying to do cover.operations. which leads to destabilization of.a.country.follow by intervention.cheap labor for higher profit. Destroy n rebuild.control the.rebels add drug.trafficking which is always a good profit.keep it.ilegal using influence n still keep the profit.why you think when it was proposed in for cannabis to be legalized ,the us.opposed right away. Recently the arms tracking bill which would regulate arms,the us opposed right away. Doesn't that make you wonder why . We have labor workers here enough to keep the economy strong without wall street. But the ones making.the profit do not.want.that.

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  44. Hello 7:59 PM August 3,

    I enjoyed reading what you wrote. You have a keen eye for detail, a hard thinking, and a fine communicator.


    María

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  45. August 3, 2012 7:59 PM .
    I dont think your a guy,your a girl.You were obviously pissed off by the anti Mexican comments?But i can say with certainty,at least they were not racist.If you be real,you will know what i am talking about,imma a"whiteboy",dont you think i get fed up seeing all the"whiteboy,whiteman,gringo"comments?I never used racism once on here,and why did you not address the Juarez question?You say"they are the people who rape our girls"?Yet make no mention of the femicide in juarez?Do you think every US man is the same?Men are dogs,i should know,but i know right from wrong,and would never hurt or force a girl ever,ever.Women are gods gift to us men and as such we should protect them,not hurt them.So please dont tar all men with the same brush,even if they have white skin.

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