Reporting on the Mexican Cartel Drug War

Central America Wants US Compensation for Every Drug Seizure & Drug Raid

Sunday, March 25, 2012 |

Mike McDonald Reuters


Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina and Honduras' Vice President Samuel Reyes speak during         an anti-drugs summit at the Santo Domingo Hotel in Antigua (Reuters)
Guatemalan President Otto Perez on Saturday set out a raft of proposals to tackle rampant drug-fuelled violence in Central America, including decriminalization of narcotics or establishing a regional court to try traffickers.

"The proposal is decriminalization," Perez said at a regional summit to address security throughout the region. "We are talking about creating a legal framework to regulate the production, transit and consumption of drugs."
The discussion reflects growing concern in Central America about the cost of the war on drugs, which is prompting leaders to take an increasingly independent line from the United States, where officials have repeatedly rejected legalizing narcotics.

A retired general, Perez won election in November 2011 promising to crack down on organized crime. But he shifted from his hard-line message shortly after taking office in January, calling for a more open debate on drug policy.

"It's important this is on the discussion table as an alternative to what we've been doing for 40 years without getting the desired results," he said, noting that decriminalization would erode drug cartels' profits. (Chivis says;  "erode drug cartels profits"? He ought to ask his pal Calderon how decriminalization ,enacted in Mexico in 2009, is working for Mexico! more info here)


The president added that Central American leaders are considering requiring the United States, the biggest consumer of South American cocaine, to pay the region for drug raids.

"We're talking about economic compensation for every seizure undertaken and also the destruction of marijuana and cocaine plantations," said Perez, a 61-year-old conservative.

Guatemala's murder rate has nearly doubled since 2000 due in part to brutal Mexican drug cartels extending their reach south.

In May 2011, the feared Zetas gang beheaded 27 farm workers in northern Guatemala in a dispute with the farm's owner over cocaine moving from South America to the United States.

Another alternative Central American leaders are mulling is setting up a court with jurisdiction for the region that would hear crimes related to the drug trade like kidnapping, contract killing, and trafficking of people and arms, Perez added.

"This would give breathing space to the justice system because it would relieve pressure on our courts," he said, adding that the court would have its own penal system.

CAUGHT IN THE SANDWICH

Regional leaders in countries affected by drug violence have called for more open debate on other solutions to the problem.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon, to whom Perez has turned for advice on confronting the cartels, has called on Washington to take more responsibility for reducing demand for drugs, and has said he is open to debates about legalization.

Calderon has been mired in a costly struggle since he launched an army-led crackdown on the drug gangs shortly after taking office in late 2006. Drug violence has spiked since then, claiming some 50,000 lives in Mexico.

Colombian President Juan Santos, whose country produces much of the cocaine shipped north, has also demanded a new approach.

Washington has defended the war on drugs and in recent visits to the region U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano rejected Perez's legalization pitch, citing a fall in Colombia's murder rate.

Perez, the founder of Guatemala's right-wing Patriot Party, said Central America was paying too heavy a price for the war.

"Our countries are not producers or consumers of drugs," he said. "We are in the middle of the sandwich."

In the past two months alone, Guatemala has confiscated more than 1,000 kilos (2,200 pounds) of cocaine valued at roughly $10,000 per kilo, and destroyed nearly $1 billion worth of poppy plants.
To read further information on the Central American drugwar see the post of March 23 HERE

LA Times has an article today of the Central American Presidential Summit 2 of the 5 invited presidents were a no-show see full article HERE

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55 Borderland Beat Comments:

Anonymous said...

I HOPE THE US,TELLS THE LOT OF THESE CORRUPT,SELF SERVING CLOWNS,WHAT THEY SHOULD DO WITH THEIR COMPENSATION REQUEST.
CLEAN YOUR OWN COUNTRY UP FIRST FROM YOUR ENDEMIC CORRUPTION WHAT ABOUT THAT?
NO,THEY WANT A HANDOUT.THIS IS STARTING TO SOUND VERY FAMILIAR,IS THE WHOLE OF SOUTH AND CENTRAL AMERICA,GOING TO BLAME THE US FOR JUST ABOUT EVRYTHING?HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE A NATION TO BETTER ITSELF?

Anonymous said...

Another official doing the cartels bidding. Marijuana is next to legal now in Mexico and the US. What is not legal is dealing in 1000s of kilos of it.

Why would anyone think legal mj would stop cocaine, heroin, pills, meth, kidnapping, theft of natural resources (oil, gas, timber), etc.?

But this guy is not serious. He just wants to keep the bribe money flowing and he wants to stay alive. You promise whatever people want to hear, like cracking down on drugs, get elected and then do what the criminal gangs want. Plomo o plata. Nothing changes.

Anonymous said...

tan pendejos. I'm gone make a rap song about that bullshit.

Anonymous said...

HAHA they want America to pay prizes for raids? Im sure within a week they will start staging raids and sending a bill to Washington. Sure.

Anonymous said...

Decriminalization, Chivis? The example article showed a half assed measure at best. Make no mistake, there would be huge unforeseen negative consequences if absolute decriminalization were enacted. On the other hand the U.S has pursued an enforcement policy for over 50 years, the result, most any drug can be scored at anytime most anywhere. (Even in many small towns this is true. Its fucking amazing.The logistics required is staggering.)

Also, one of the main arguments for decriminalization is to attack the market. If one country enacts true decriminalization while it's neighbor has a booming illegal market it would enhance the markets in both counties I'm guessing. (Everyone seems so sure in this argument. One way is stagnation, corruption, and thriving trade. The other is major unchartered waters and untold calamity.)

Monkey see drugs, monkey do drugs. Monkey want money, the river of blood flows.

Chivis said...

I think you missed it...MJ is decriminalized in Mex.

Let me be clear. I favor decriminalization for all drugs and legalization for MJ. I say yes in and for the US and all countries with a strong system of law and order...which no country in CA has, nor Mexico which is why it will not work to any advantage...its a lame duck in the water..

You must not take things out of context..what I commented to was the stupid remark of the president saying all a country has to do is decriminalize and there goes the narcos.

That is a gossly ignorant statement. Why nothing works in those countries is because of gross corruption that premeates every structure of its society and an absense of law and order. PERIOD! You can make all the laws in the world and nothing will work without that changing.

secondly.... 50% of "business" of organzied criminal groups in Mexico is drugs, 50% is now other elements:
oil thief
intellilectual markets (software)
Alcohol (knock off)
kidnapping
extortion
human trafficking...etc etc etc etc
knock offs-drugs-brand named goods CDs

Mexico also is cultivating a drug market within its borders. Drug use is climing at an alarming rate. its on track in creating its own market for drugs and just about every other element of their trade..

Anonymous said...

Boe legalizing would due away with narcos wut the fuck they gonna sell? They might be kidnappings or roberies but the army can take care of that cuz u know why?? The cartel will be taking away from their income. Don't you know basic warfare rules?? Who gonna currup officials when cartel don't got much money come in in. After that Mexico can peacfully get its shit together. The army won't be buisy fighting drug gangs. Remember the end alcohol prohibition?? Mafias lost that revenue. They.couldn't bribe officials anymore and they started workin back in the shadows being more quiet cuz goin to jail was easier for anything they did wich was rob.

Anonymous said...

IS THIS A JOKE? nobody's taking these clowns. serious....why dont they ask Panama to throw them a few bucks too? better yet lets pass the hat around at the next world summit for these freeloaders..Maybe they want us to build them a railroad so they can get the drugs here faster or a few helicopters whatever they need!!

Anonymous said...

Your argument would be right if it actually was true. EVERY country who has trie decriminalization has shown drops in all areas of drug abuse. As for pot, why don't they go after alcohol first? Take every death from all illegal and legal drugs, triple that number, and you still have less than booze. And have you eve asked why weed is illegal in the first place? It's because Randal Hurst bought all the patents to make everything out if cotton instead of hemp. So he blamed mass raping and killings of white women on stoned Mexicans and used his newspapers to create hysteria. And rx companies fuel the laws to keep it illegal. Why grow a plant in the back yard that does a better job for menstural cramps, insomnia, depression, pain, mental illness than using god knows what's in the drugs they create with all the side effects. You know how many people died using pot? ZERO. You know how many hooked like they were in Percocet? ZERO. But let's have a beer and watch the kids play football, right? And how many kids lives are ruined over a weed? It's not a gateway drug. Booze is. And they lie to the kids about how it's soooo bad, and does all these bad things. They try it and end up giggling while playing Xbox. So, if they lied about weed, maybe they lied about meth??? Then they are really screwed.

Anonymous said...

All right, some governments wanted decriminalisation of the illegal drug trade.
Firstly, the number of addicts will increase.
And the criminal acts to provide these addicts with the money to buy them will also increase.
It is a fact that those who started out with using "light" drugs like marijuana will eventually migrate to much more addictive types like cocaine.
Once they are into heavy drug use, their whole life will be consumed by getting their next fix.
Diseases like AIDS caused by drug use will also increase.
The whole country will then be in a fix.
On top of that, what is there from stopping the drug lords from monopolising this trade, a trade in which they have the most experience and the greatest profits?
So, the end result will still be the fight for turf, as is what's happening now!
Perhaps, the best solution would be to find a way to wean the addicts from their addition.

Anonymous said...

hmmm lets see...1 illegal child x $2000/yr for education + all the ER visits for life= ? now times that by how many illegals?

Anonymous said...

Hell as far as CA is concerned De-criminalize everything promote the production and transportation of drugs to the USA,WHY NOT. At some point the USA Must forsake politics and seriousley attack drug usage, maby when 30-40-50% of the people are druggies?? Something will be done, but so far the Democrats are protecting their base, they call it freedom,free to live off of working people and free to use drugs. Allowing everybody to vote in the USA is what has caused this social/political collapse,as it has in other countrys as well.

Anonymous said...

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"lito"brito said...

bwahhaaaaaaa...good one ..siguente

Anonymous said...

They are asking for help because the market is the USA worlds largest exporter of war and the worlds largest importer of illicit drugs. Figure it out folks the USA is not clean in this regard

Anonymous said...

they should just let the drug cartels do their thing.... ask them for a cut and fuck the u.s.a.

Chivis said...

@7:28
your argument is unfounded.

Do you know the difference between decriminalization and legalization?

Incareserating users is a woeful waste of space and money. It makes no sense. Most users are not addicts. Keep the space for traffickers and bad guys....other wise you have overcrowding in the courts and prisons which means early-early-early release of some very bad dudes just because we think it is right to toss an addict behind bars for his addiction. That is plain nuts.

There will always be addicts. If not street drugs then RX if not RX then alcohol if not alcohol, bath salts, if not bathsalts, then inhalents, if not....well hopefully you get the picture...

Anonymous said...

50% are using drugs, prescribed drugs you dumb ass!

Anonymous said...

Chivis, your little commentary aside was straight up strawman bullshit. Taking the minor decriminalization of consumption in Mexico (while production and distribution everywhere, especially the U.S, remain fully illegal) and claiming it's evidence of a failure of drug legalization a shitty argument and is disingenuous as hell.

Anonymous said...

CHOOSE LIFE

DUMP THE DRUG WAR

Anonymous said...

US should compensate for what was perpetrated before in "the back yard". This area is not Mexico nor is it Columbia. Compensation for raids is merely a legal means to begin the reparations due here.

Guatemala was a democracy in the 40's and experienced 10 years of spring before the US backed coup.

I wish people in the US would study just a wee bit of history before commenting on our status here.

Anonymous said...

March 25, 2012 1:15 PM How can you believe that there is no corruption here on the U.S. when ton after ton of narcotics keeps on coming here.

Anonymous said...

@March 25, 2012 7:37 PM

Where the hell do you live? Niger? Gambia? :D

Anonymous said...

Incarcerating users is a woeful waste of space and money. yes i agree just execute them because i am truly tired of mothers selling daughters for sex to get a fix. babies dieing of overdoses because mothers that use drugs decide to breast feed and i am really tired of drug users cutting the hands off 18 month old babies.

Anonymous said...

March 25, 2012 7:20 PM How many people died using pot?

Not from overdose, but the CDC and the National Highway Traffic Administration have shown that, nearly 20% of drivers killed in traffic incidents had narcotics in their system. During autopsy, the most common drug present was marijuana.

Marijuana use is much more dangerous than believed and hundreds of young people die each year in "accidents" caused by their prolonged use of the drug, according to a senior coroner.

Hamish Turner, the president of the Coroners' Society, said that the marijuana, often portrayed as harmless, has increasingly been the cause of deaths that have been reported as accidents or suicides.

"Cannabis is as dangerous as any other drug and people must understand that it kills. Increasingly it is mentioned not only as the first drug taken by people who overdose, but also in suicides and accidental deaths.

Anonymous said...

If law is strong in the USA ,then why is the USA the worlds LARGEST drug Market,Why not tax latins to pay for the harm drugs do in the USA? Why did CA turn a blind eye to drug production and smugling for many years until it started eating their OWN countrys,then they ASKED for money,and supprot from the USA. DRUGS are the single most serious threat to Society everywhere, peoples productivity,morals,stability, the ruining of young children trapped by worthless drug parents, THIS MUST BE STOPPED!!

Anonymous said...

Why is it that every country wants to blame the US for everything? I know we aren't perfect but let's just cut all aid to any county that blames us for ANYTHING and see how long it is before they change their tune! Let's tell Mexico WE need compensation for all the shit we have to do and spend to fight the drug war that THEIR drug lords make millions off of!

Anonymous said...

Ok then the Central American countries can pick up the bill for all of their immigrants healthcare, road us, police/coast guard, etc, etc this they receive here in the US....sure, would bankrupt them in a week.......

Anonymous said...

Back up your lame talk with FACTS! Post a link or a website because obviously you never met anyone who smoked marijuana! I can't believe you came with the car accident argument, lame totally lame!

Anonymous said...

Look Americans are the users and the drugs don't stay in our country so its their problem if not then let them come police in every central American country and our local cops can deal with more pressing issues other than drugs passing tru.

Anonymous said...

Bs alcoholic dads ruin and destroy more than Marijuana does and look at all the prescription drugs in our kids school and you Blame Marijuana SHAME IN YOU for being so naive. Ban meth etc but Marijuana is safe for us patient with 0.00 % harmful /fatal side effect give me a list of all RX side effect ... also shouldn't we blame every one for keeping There RX prescription in a easy to find location. I didn't think so. Just look at Your precious alcoholic drink after prohibition no More organized Mafia police because no more illegal alcohol you evil people telling lies to push Your own product for your own personal gain.

"lito"brito said...

ok for the really mind numbed dense ones ..one more time ..

contraband is always worth more ..make coffee and cigarettes illegal and see if the price dosen't inflate drastically...and then the associated crime will increase and so will the murder rate

when pot was not illegal..it was practically worthless

but personally i have friends who oppose legalization for one reason..because they get 200 or 300 USD per ounce ..if it goes legal..or even decrim...the value will fall..

all the dealers i have ever know fully support criminal penalties for drugs especially pot

"lito"brito said...

@ Anonymous said...

Chivis, your little commentary aside was straight up strawman bullshit. Taking the minor decriminalization of consumption in Mexico (while production and distribution everywhere, especially the U.S, remain fully illegal) and claiming it's evidence of a failure of drug legalization a shitty argument and is disingenuous as hell.
March 26, 2012 12:10 AM

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i read and re-read your post..it makes no sense.. are you high?

are you for or against legalization?

your post is so incoherent that i am unable to discern exactly what is your stance concerning legalization

Anonymous said...

I wish someone could tell us what the US and Mexico would be like "IF" all drugs were legalized, all drug use and sale were decriminalized, and all violence caused by drug use was a mandatory life/death sentence? That is how I could favor the change. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

March 26, 2012 8:16 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-201232/Top-coroner-warns-cannabis.html

Anonymous said...

Why dose anybody think if us didn't had many potheads and fucken crack user then we would'nt have that problem in mexico or central america . Fu#% ppl come on realize if the government really want this shit to stop they would do the same as mexico . Catch all the drug dealers here in the usa . They dont do shit I see alot of this foos selling drug in the corner . US is much as the probkem as anh other country even worse they supply the cartels with weapons like operations fast and furious . Just saying

Anonymous said...

Uh, guess what.... PEOPLE WILL DO DRUGS LEGAL OR NOT!! And more people die from LEGAL drugs than illegal drugs! Where are you getting this horse shit info?? Have you ever smoked pot?? I have! And it does less than booze!! I don't do either anymore, but if pot were legal I'd use it instead of taking this bullshit Lunesta the Dr has me on! And I make a great living, as does all my friends who are 35+yrs old and use pot frequently. And how is pot a schedule ONE and meth and coke a schedule TWO???!!! HOW!! So you take a schedule one drug that leads to a schedule two?? How is that a gateway drug? There is ZERO reward in keeping pot illegal!! ZERO!! Forget the issue that adults should be able to do what they want without the government telling them whats 'moral', what about booze plastered all over the place like it's no big deal, but they make pot out like it's WORSE?? Kids who will do drugs will start with booze EVERY TIME!! And your study is crap!! Lumping pot in with coke, meth, and heroin is INSANE!! It's like having a list of Ferraris and Corvettes, but you add a minivan with them as if it's as fast! And in ten years, smoking pot will be a thing of the past. They are able to remove the THC so you can ingest it HAVING LESS EFFECT ON YOUR LIVER THAN TYLENOL!! It's illegal for one reason, and thats MONEY. The DEA gets billions of dollars to fight it, the pharmaceutical industry spends millions lobbying to keep in illegal, and city's make money from tickets and fines for busting you with it. I would never want to see meth of coke legal, but I'd like to see those people get help instead of being locked up and being schooled on how to really be a criminal. But pot? IT'S A WEED!!

Seriously, did we not learn anything from the 20's during prohibition? ANYTHING? Have you looked into why weed is illegal in the first place and seen how they used racism to make it illegal so one guy, the politicians buddy who gives them their kickbacks, would benefit financially from it? I'm sure we all know that meth is made by altering the atomic structure of ephedrine by the use of acetone, battery scrapings, cooking fuel, lye..... And coke is made by taking the leaf, soaking it in diesel, mashing it up, drying it with a microwave... BUT A PLANT THAS HAS LESS EFFECT THAN ALCOHOL IS HIGHER UP ON THE SCHEDULE LIST????

As far as the article, it sounds like the governments of Central America is upset that they are seeing their bribe money fading with every bust. What better way to get paid when the cartels can't pay you because of the bust? Go after the ones who took it!! Amazing. No wonder these countries barley have running water.

Anonymous said...

I wish the US would just cut off funding and aid to all of these countries and simply tell them we'll start giving you money again when you get your own country together. Its funny how the rest of the world uses the United States to their own convienence. They scream we need to stop being the worlds police force, then at the same time scream at us if we don't give them money. I wish we would just stop giving billions to countries that take our money then can't stop talking about how terrible we are.

Anonymous said...

Supply and demand - the citizens of the USA demand poison and the cartels supply it. It's basic economics.

Anonymous said...

^ You obviously smoke weed hahhaha

Anonymous said...

March 26, 2012 4:04 AM - Ahhh,I guess you would prefer to be under the iron grip of the communistas in USSR? We so how that is going for Cuba! You should be grateful the USA fought for your democracy,do not blame the USA because your people are violent animals!

Anonymous said...

So true how can u say its a failure when we all know traffickers carry n Push more than personal amounts of drugs since the source remains illegal the dto's still have their inmense profit margin to keep control

Anonymous said...

Screw them don't give them shit ,weapons is enough... I agree with the other comments re healthcare for illegals it's expensive. So the US is the worlds major drug consumer ... What can u do ,decriminalize and/or legalize? Start with weed let the American growers make the money instead of the Mexicans then the illegals crossing over will not have to carry bundles and just maybe the flow of illegals will slow down?

Anonymous said...

How about this...their "prize" is they get to keep what they confiscate as far as cash and guns...put it in a fund to better their police/army as well as communtity. US has its hands full right now paying for everyone else's immigrants as it is...no more giving away tax payer money to other countries...enough is enough. Drug war is everyone's problem...everyone is affected...whether you are a user or not it affects you in some way if you think about it. US cannot be held solely accountable for this problem, nor can Mexico or any other country.

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe the ignorant comments in this string. Drug prohibition is like setting off fireworks in your living room; there is lots of noise, some smoke and lots of confusion, but nothing much really happens and there is a huge mess afterwards. When, not if, drugs are re-legalized, all you who fellate the drug warriors are going to look even more mentally slow and foolish than you now do, because ALL of the harms of 'drugs' are the harms of drug PROHIBITION much the same as the harms of setting off fireworks inside is because it is inside, not because there is something inherently bad about fireworks. The drug warriors are liars and you believe them. Fools.

Anonymous said...

The U.S. has been bribing politicians in Latin America for decades in order to stay in line.
My question is why should Latin Americans pay in blood for Nixons Prohibition?
Shouldnt the U.S. be fighting this war within its borders? Biden, Shrub, Clinton have this hard stance against Legalization but do nothing to control the flow of money and guns.

Anonymous said...

Lol yeah the democrats are responsible for the problems. And allowing every body(Americans) to vote has screwed us up...... Finger pointing Ignorant brainwashed low level intellects like you are what's screwing us up. Restrict voting, just go a head and put the shackles on us will ya?

Anonymous said...

If people smoke weed, drive and die...... Good, one less retard in society. And you can't blame weed for their dead, you blame the dumb ass who got behind the wheel.

Anonymous said...

I agree with ya. But mexico isn't the country asking for a hand out.

Anonymous said...

See, this is how a level minded educated person sounds like.

Chivis said...

Briiiiito!
per below: jajaja I wanted to respond but could not determine what he was saying. He reminded me of the parakeet fighting with his image in the mirror.....Paz, Chivis

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lito"brito said...
@ Anonymous said...

Chivis, your little commentary aside was straight up strawman bullshit. Taking the minor decriminalization of consumption in Mexico (while production and distribution everywhere, especially the U.S, remain fully illegal) and claiming it's evidence of a failure of drug legalization a shitty argument and is disingenuous as hell.
March 26, 2012 12:10 AM

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i read and re-read your post..it makes no sense.. are you high?
are you for or against legalization?
your post is so incoherent that i am unable to discern exactly what is your stance concerning legalization

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Anonymous said...

In turn, the US should sue all countries that traffic cocaine, heroin, meth, etc, into the US for all costs related to addiction. Hospital care, rehab, addicted babies, violent crime, theft, etc. Start suing the manufacturers and distributors and we will see a very different drug war.

Anonymous said...

How's about this..! Honduras,Guatemala
and all the other "Banana Republics" that want compensation from the U.S. for all the Drug Busts they do, start paying for all the Food Aid,Police Aid,Military Aid and just Plain Aid for the last 50 Years. lets Add it All Up and see what
the Bill Amounts to. Then lets have them pay us back and "THEN" we can start compensating them for any supposed help their giving us..!

accident claims Luton said...

I wish someone could tell us what the US and Mexico would be like "IF" all drugs were legalized.

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