Monday, July 4, 2011

"I feel this story should be heard."


The following are the contents of a letter we received at Borderland Beat from a couple that until recently resided in the tourist destination of Ixtapa in the state of Guerrero, Mexico.

We have independently corroborated certain facts in the letter and believe the contents to be true.

Names and addresses have been deleted for obvious reasons.

I feel that you should be made aware of an incident that occurred early in the morning of May 9 2011 and about the treatment we received after.

My husband and I were sleeping at our home on Calle ____________ in Res. _________, Ixtapa. At about 2.30 AM I saw 3 men approaching from the back area of the house. We jumped out of bed and managed to keep them from entering the house for at least 5 minutes. We turned on the alarm in our car and during this whole time we were yelling Ayudar Ayudar as loudly as we could. The robbers were also screaming and yelling because they were not at first able to get in. The leader of the bad guys picked up a brick and threw it at our glass door, shattering the glass. They were then able to get inside by smashing all the glass out of the door. The entire time this was going on, our car alarm was still sounding off.

Once inside our house the robbers beat both my husband (very severely) and myself and also at one point in the battle they shot a gun at my husband but thankfully did not hit him. They then tore our house apart and found our bank and credit cards. After they held a gun to my head and saying they would kill my husband I gave them the passwords. The leader of the gang left to go to the bank to check that I gave them the right numbers. While he was gone the other 2 men were kicking us and hitting us and putting guns and knives in our faces. When their leader returned they loaded up our TV, computer, camera, jewelry, etc. into our Honda CRV and then the main gang leader raped me and stabbed my husband. They told us that if we called the police or made a report they would come back and cut off our heads. I believe them. They terrorized us for almost 3 hours. In that entire time nobody called the Police or came to help us even though we had made a lot of noise for at least the first 15 minutes and then there had also been a gunshot. There are veladors and security guards all around our neighborhood starting within 30 meters away.

We have already done our duty and reported the crime to the proper authorities even though we are very frightened.

But even more than the crime itself which you may already have heard about I think that you should know about the things that have happened to us afterwards.

First, we went to the guard house at Condominium ________. We asked the security guard there to please call the ambulance because my husband had lost a lot of blood and was still loosing more blood. The guard did not have a telephone number. Why is he not trained to call his company and ask for help. I then asked him to call us a taxi. He had to call twice before anyone came. We waited for 20 minutes as my husband was bleeding and throwing up and going into shock. Finally a very nice taxista came and picked us up and took us to the Naval Hospital. They would not admit us because I had been raped and they said they did not have the personnel there to deal with that. They told our taxi driver to take us to Zihuatanejo. I can not believe that a Hospital turned away a man that had been beaten and stabbed and needed immediate medical attention. He then took us to Red Cross where there was also no one there to help us so we then had to go to Hospital General. When we arrived there we saw homeless people and people sleeping on the sidewalk. They let us in and started to very slowly take care of my husband who at this time had been bleeding for 3 hours. The people in this place had no compassion or sympathy for our situation. I was crying and pleading with them to let me use a phone to call my friend Snra. _________ but they kept telling me I had to use the pay phone. I explained that I had just been robbed and raped and nearly killed and did not have any money. They still would not help me to call my friend. Finally, after 40 minutes, one of the nurses let me use her personal cel phone.

That Hospital is not a place that I wanted my husband to stay in. There were flies all over and no privacy for any of the patients. The staff seemed to have almost no interest in helping us there. They did take X rays and put in some stitches to stop the bleeding and also gave him some fluids intravenously and then we were able to take him away from there.

As bad as things were at the Hospital they only got worse in the next few days. We asked _______ to help us to report the crime and if possible, to keep it out of the papers because we were afraid but also because we know that news like this happening to gringos will do extreme damage to the economy here.

It took 2 and a half days to get our report so that we could then register to the PFP (Federal Preventive Police) that our car was stolen. By now the car could be in Guatamala !! Nobody tried tracking the criminals by using our cell phone even though we gave them the number and told them that the bad guys have been answering it. When the prosecutors came to our house they did not have any bags for collecting evidence but had to borrow some from me, one of the victims of the crime. We had told them that there would be fingerprints all over including on our refrigerator but nobody brought the equipment necessary to dust for them. No one has interviewed the security guard. He must have seen the car that they arrived in or seen them driving around our street just before the break in. We feel that we have done everything possible to help the authorities to find and then prosecute these criminals but nobody is doing anything to catch them.

My husband had been very badly injured and I had been terribly traumatized by what happened but the government departments just seemed to not care at all that they kept us waiting in office after office for hours at each time, day after day. And we are very dismayed that no one was even trying to catch the criminals or look for our stolen car for almost 3 days!

I have been coming to Mexico my entire life and coming to Ixtapa Zihuatanejo since 1982. My husband and I have been living here full time for 6 years, sharing this time between Michoacan and here. We have given good jobs and much work to many, many people in that time. I have told hundreds of people about what a nice destination this is. After this terrible experience we will be leaving Mexico forever and I could not possibly recommend anyone to visit here.

While at the American Consulate office where I went to get a new passport, I learned that there were 4 carjackings of American citizens THIS WEEK ALONE on the road near Troncones and Saladita. This type of news is going to kill the tourism that this area has come to depend on.

We have been very careful to keep all of this out of the papers and off the message board that the tourists read. I honestly don´t know why we should care so much for Zihuatanejo. Zihuatanejo does not care for us.

Regards,
_____________ , _____________


Postscript:

I feel this story should be heard.

It made me so mad when I saw Calderon in Las Vegas saying that the only "shots" that the Spring Break tourists needed to be afraid of is tequila shots.

Mexico is trying to minimize (for obvious reasons) the impact that the violence is taking on their country and economy.

The ineptitude of some of the police and prosecutors is just appalling. You would not believe the way that we were treated in Zihuatanejo. And to be refused at 2 "hospitals" when my husband was bleeding from a stab wound and had his head split open. It was a nightmare that just went on and on.

A lot of people go to Mexico and things are fine until god forbid you get caught up in something like this.

My husband and I could not have been less likely to have something like this come our way. We stayed at home, treated everyone very fairly, know the ropes down there and never did anything at all that would have put us on the radar of these criminals.

We never stayed out late or had any involvement whatsoever with drugs or anyone that did drugs. Nada. If it could happen to us, it could happen to ANYONE.

81 comments:

  1. Sadly, this story is happening all over Mexico, but there are too many political and economic interests in keeping it quiet.

    Of course, this will set off the gun nuts that these people could have solved the problem if they had a gun in the house. Actually, without training, they would have been lucky to take out one person and then both would be dead.

    This is a tragedy that has plagued Mexico is some ways for decades. The express kidnappings, the corrupt police that fake a traffic stop to extort money (that their commanders condone). The cuota imposed on businesses by the thugs...the kidnappings....this all existed in the past and has now grown to epidemic proportions.

    The Ferrari's bought, but not picked up from the dealerships. The admonition not to wear anything flashy or expensive.

    The life in Mexico used to be fantastic....now we live in fear (while pretending that it won't happen to us). And the US is too scared to label the cartels as terrorist organizations, or go after the big US banks for money laundering, or call the Mexican officials and institutions corrupt.

    And people are quietly dying. But no one wants to hear.

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  2. Sad, sad story. It's a shame this will never make it to MSM. :(

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  3. It's beginning to look as if tourism should be dead - and expatriates should leave - those parts of Mexico caught in the wars between rival cartels. The Pacific Coast, the Northern Desert, the Northern Gulf States...

    That leaves Mexico City, Chiapas and the Yucatan States.

    We live in the Yucatan, where our biggest crime problems are still opportunistic burglary and - we never expected this - Americans who come to Mexico to commit crimes they'd be arrested for in a moment in the states.

    Mexico is a big country, but the ills of the drug war compounded upon the petty corruption that has been traditional in the country is directing the nation towards a day of reckoning.

    G. Quintana Roo

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  4. This is truly a sad story...

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  5. 3 years ago my cousin, her husband were killed and robbed in a home evasion. in southern california.

    I wonder why they did not call the embassy right away? irregardless, I have been a victim of a crime in Mx and unless you have it on video they will not even go to the scene. what good is fingerprints? there is no big data base, it is a developing nation not the US, for someone to expect the same treatment is truly ignorant.
    the hospital lack of treatment sure is different than my experience, but i do know what is described at the general hospital is true.
    I think as foreigners, especially those of us who choose to live in Mx must be aware of what resources exist and do not exist. why that would not be the first plan of action is beyond me.

    this type of crime is everywhere.

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  6. What did she expect, living in Mexico?

    I wouldn't set foot in that lawless country...

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  7. I can guarantee that the bad guys were cops. Anyone disagrees with me? I hope this story is spread world wide. If corruption is not controlled or minimized in Mexico, the future looks bad.
    God, please save Mexico. It's politicians just want to get rich. They don't care....

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  8. well you cant blame the MSM for not running this story if they run to many negetive stories about Mexico, activist and pro-illegal groups will call them racists. and the one thing white liberals dont like is being called racist.

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  9. Anyone who has a gun in their house and is NOT trained with it, deserves whatever they get! That's why marksmanship and weapons training is paramount and is a priceless skill!!!

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  10. With all the violence in Mexico that is broadcasted daily on the local news stations and newspapers, why would anyone in their right mind want to go there?

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  11. It's funny how tourists think that Mexico operates the same way as the U.S. does. They think that you just call the local police and they will solve their problems! lol

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  12. I applaud this brave couple for bringing to light what we know is happening but for the most part covered up, I know guns are not allowed to be carried in Mexico however I think it's foolish not to have automatic high power guns in your home, after all it's evident that nobody can help you, and it's not that they don't care, look how they live in fear themselfs,
    This story needs to go mainstream and the further lose of tourism to Mexico will be the rand result, and maybe the start of much needed change, this was Probobly not the work directly from any cartel but just the opportunity to benefit from the fear that's been inbread in the state.

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  13. until you start seeing protest with the like of the middle east, this people from mexico are cowards. That is why they look the other way and not do nothing......

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  14. A friend once told me she was visiting some friends in Mexico when some other guys showed up and managed to kidnapp her and her male buddy who were both from the U.S. They had apparently been drugged at a party by slipping something into their drinks. They woke up at a house they did not recognize, bound and gagged. They were both beaten and raped constantly, yes, the guy was raped too. I forget how they managed to get away or maybe they were let go but they walked along a highway for miles begging people to stop and help but nobody would. They'd go over to people's houses and plead for water but the people would not give them a second look and they'd close the door on them. Their feet were bleeding as they had been walking for 2 days barefoot in the blazing sun and hot road. They're hispanics and knew how to speak spanish but it seemed the people were either able to detect they were from across and were above helping Americans or just would not dare get involved in something they'd regret later. Either way I could not believe how cold the people were. They eventually arrived at a hospital and were barely treated for their wounds and did not do a damn thing about her rape injuries. Somehow they got connected to the consulate who notified her family which came to pick her up at the Customs station at the bridge. To this day she hates all Mexicans and their heartless country and would never ever set foot on their stinking shit-water land, as she calls it. I know there are good people in Mexico too but I don't blame her for the way she feels about that country. I don't know if some Mexicans just hate Americans for whatever treatment they've recieved while coming here to the U.S. both legally or illegally or from what they've heard others have gone through...the point is nobody should be treated like that on either side of the border. We don't owe them anything and they don't owe us anything but one thing we should have is respect for one another especially in a time of crisis like this.

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  15. Ok, it's no secret that Mexico is a dangerous and out of control place. Travel there at your own risk! But spare us all the gory details. Play with fire long enough and you're gonna get burned! You couldn't pay me to travel to Mexico!!!

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  16. Thats why responsible gun owners train and train for things like this. Should something like this happen your chances are better.

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  17. In Rosarito Beach last month we heard a prolonged gun battle in the streets just blocks from our beach front hotel. Automatic gunfire went from 2am to 5am. We we're frightened to open our hotel door. I had lived in Baja for 5 years having just recently moved back to So Cal. Im very familiar with fire arms and their characteristics regarding the sounds they make when discharging (it was not fireworks)... The next morning there was nothing on the news, no police presence and only a handful of neighbors heard the commotion outside.... It was wierd, something big happened and it was NEVER mentioned "officially".... Mexico Sucks, you cant believe what the government says and you cannot risk your life for a cheap vacation.... PUERTO RICO is looking like a great alternative

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  18. Sorry for the bad luck, but Mexicans didn't get the reputation of being incompitent overnight.Legalize drugs make sure the law abiding public is unarmed any gringo URBANITE will tell you this will improve the criminal problem in Mexico.

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  19. In Guerrero heads roll everyday,dismembered bodies all over busy streets,women and children caught in the crossfire,which is why it DOESNT surprise me for 1 second why these tourists were treated like that.

    Plain and simple,people down there just dont "give a F" anymore.Stay home gringos.

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  20. Nothing will change in Mexico until the people decide they will NOT stand for this anymore and make their stand against the cartels. MEXICANS need to take THEIR country back!! Sure, people will die, but how is that any different then what is happening daily there now anyways??

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  21. Fuck Mexicans. They are a bunch of cowards and selfish people. Have you ever heard of a Mexican adopting? No because they can care less about anyone else. Btw, I am American-mexican

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  22. Where is that picture from on the top? Is that Acapulco?

    Anyway, I'd say Guerreo is off limits as a tourist destination, as far as I'm concerned. A guy I know, who surfs, was going to Acapulco this week, I wonder what he'll think. I don't think he was aware of the extreme violence.

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  23. @ Gerardo
    This is unsubstantiated hearsay. For all we know it's fiction.

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  24. We turned on the alarm in our car and during this whole time we were yelling

    No wonder nobody helped them they were screaming " to help, to help" they should have said " Socorro" or auxilio"

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  25. "Fuck Mexicans. They are a bunch of cowards and selfish people. Have you ever heard of a Mexican adopting? No because they can care less about anyone else. Btw, I am American-mexican"

    July 4, 2011 5:39 PM

    You may be American-mexican but you are a fucking idiot.
    My wife is Mexican from born and raised and she was adopted by two wondeful people.
    Your generalization is exactly what's wrong with this world. Poeple like you you should just shut the fuck up!!

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  26. Americans need to take back their country too! You're nearing $15 trillion in debt, your credit rating is just as bad as Greece, your unemployment is over 9%, your banks are laundering money for the cartels, hard working citizens are losing their homes left and right, your education system is in shambles, and your government goes to war without even considering asking for your approval.

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  27. Pictures or video or it didn't happen.

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  28. @5:39 " AMERICAN-MEXICAN"

    My foundation works with over 20 Hogars and you do not know what you you talking about. Mexicans adopt, and two of my friends adopted in the last two years in Mx. One is Former Sec of Education. But remember in a country of 60%+ poverty there are limited homes that can afford to take on the responsibilty.

    Mexico has strict regulations of foreign adoptions, I was with a governor and asked why, he said because once the children leave the country their Jurisdiction ends. However this year they lossen the restrictions on older children.

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  29. @ July 4th 6:06
    I guess the only way you believe is to see and have it done to you. Are you an idiot. This needs to go to all the American News Papers. Americans need to make a stand and stop going to Mexico. We need to spend our money here and help our own. Our government needs to open their eyes and stop being politically correct. I offer my prayers, although i believe that Mexico is a Godless country.

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  30. @ 6:45
    What's a hogar? Hogares homes?

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  31. I take back the "fuck mexicans" part. I just get so mad at all this. I apologize if I offended anyone.

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  32. Just as expats have blinders on and insist there is complete safety in Puerto Vallarta, you just have to read La Policia online and type Puerto Vallarta into the search box. The action is so close to old towne they would be running back to Canada and the US if they had a clue as to how much carnage is happening around them.

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  33. Every year thousands upon thousands of Americans fall victim to fraud, are burglarized/robbed, are raped and/or murdered on HOME SOIL. And just as many cases go unsolved.

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  34. Its quite simple really. while purely conjecture had the author been suffciently trained in the use of firearms and had the where with all to use them this would have been a non issue.
    they had the jump on the tangos. use it to your advantage.there would have been at best 5 less bad guys. but its mexico where the average civilian does not have access to quality weapons. had this been in the US or the bahamas and my wife the tangos would have been eliminated or the very least deterred. Until the civilian population says enough is enough this behavior will continue to persist.

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  35. The irony is that even if they had a gun and managed to fire off some rounds, they'd be sitting in a Mexican jail cell now being extorted and maybe raped just the same.....Guerrero is in big trouble all around. Americans no longer go there especially Acapulco. The lawlessness is hard to imagine. I dated a girl in Acapulco who many years ago was raped.....This girl is a professional with an education. Last year, she was held at gunpoint in a tourist area and questioned by a gang of guys looking for someone else. That's the reality in Guerrero. I'm pretty much done with my travels there.

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  36. What a sad story. Mexico, to me, is only worth visiting, if you are willing to rely on luck. Otherwise, i would never live there. This country is too unpredictable and way too dangerous. The citizens do not take care of each other. The government is incapable, unwilling and lazy to protect their own people. The police, military, judicial system and hospitals are not trained properly.

    If mexico did not have the U.S. to take from, they would be in a terrible financial crisis. Much worse than now. Mexicans are good people but are way too spineless to jeopardize their own lives in order to help another.

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  37. @2:48, that is B.S., a simple story made up by you. Prove it beyond "my friend told me." You can't, like about half the posters here tell things "they've heard."

    Mexico has enough problems without people making lies up about it. Spare us your stories.

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  38. To the writer of the above letter:
    Please do not be disheartened by those who might respond that your missive is fabricated or exaggerated, or that you got what you deserved for being a stranger in a strange land, or for being ill-equipped with firearms. It is hard for many to imagine such circumstances, and perhaps the truth is too hurtful for some.
    I hope that as your wounds heal your peace of mind might return,
    Imjustagirl

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  39. How sad for you, anonymous 9:49, that you do not believe such things can and do happen.
    Imjustagirl

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  40. carry your gun when you're in mexico, nuff said.

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  41. I'm terribly sorry to hear this story. I have friends who live in a small town in Michoacan, which is not that far north from Ixtapa. I pray that nothing like this happens to them, even though drug violence has made it there too. I was attacked outside San Miguel de Allende and had my purse with all of my identification, credit cards and about $425 in Mexico pesos stolen. The mugger whacked me on the head and I got six stitches. The police were very nice, but were unable to do anything and the medical care I received at the General Hospital was very good. The hospital was immaculate and the doctor did a good job closing my gaping head wound. At this point, I do think it is a good idea if you report this incident on tourist sites, it would be a good service to warn Americans what can happen when they come to Mexico. Perhaps Borderland Beat can set up a tab where Americans can post these sorts of incidents. They can be corroborated with scanned copies of police reports, photos, etc.

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  42. "Of course, this will set off the gun nuts that these people could have solved the problem if they had a gun in the house. Actually, without training, they would have been lucky to take out one person and then both would be dead."
    ""July 4, 2011 11:58 AM ""

    WITH GUNS AND PROPER TRAINING THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN OUT 10 OR 15 INTRUDERS, WITH ALL THE TIME THEY HAD AT THE VERY BEGINNING FROM FIRST SEEING THE BAD GUYS AS THEY SAY IN THIS PIECE THEY COULD HAVE PROTECTED THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR LIVES, HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN STABBED AND SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RAPED AND THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR CAR AND ALL THEIR STUFF. THEIR WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOT OF GUN FIRE BUT 2 TRAINED PEOPLE WITH THE PROPER FIRE ARMS COULD HAVE EASILY DEFEATED THESE 3 ROBBERS...

    MEXICO IS GOING TO HELL AND ANYONE STEPPING ONE FOOT ANYWHERE NEAR OR ACROSS THE BORDER IS TAKING THEIR VERY LIFE INTO THEIR OWN HANDS...

    BOTTOM LINE IS TO STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM MEXICO AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET...

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  43. Am I a gun nut just because I'd like to have a gun in a situation like this?? If just the door kept them at bay for 5 minutes, imagine what they could have done with a firearm. Its up to me whether or not I decide to use the gun. If I think shooting it out will do more harm than good, then I dont have to take it out. But i'd like to be the one to make that decision, not my government. Like the old saying goes, rather be caught with it than without it

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  44. This report of the incident is all too true and collaborated by the people I know who live in Zihuatanejo. These folks personally know the couple who were robbed, raped and beaten. It's sad that it isn't public knowledge on a wide scale because certain people living in the area depend on tourism for their livelihood and prefer to keep this type of news quiet for fear of losing the tourist dollars. The whole world needs to know about these incidents so people can make well informed choices about where to vacation or live without the rose colored glasses we tend to put on when we have a peaceful visit to these areas. I have spent numerous vacations in Zihuatanejo in the past but will never return to Mexico again unless something drastically changes. There are too many other tropical vacation spots to visit that do not have the problems that Mexico has. People need to open their eyes. It just isn't worth the risk.

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  45. Nice of this couple to NOT report this to the papers to "hurt" tourism. Maybe someday this kind of situation will compel them to go strait to FOX news next time. Americans need to boycott Mexico. If "gringos" in America would tell us of this rather than covering it up to protect the local tourism industry, maybe attacks would subside

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  46. Welcome to 3rd World Narco Mexico. If the The illegal Mexicans would have been turned away at a US Hospital, there would be an investigation By the Justice Dept. The Mexicans would scream Foul and all Hell would break loose, buts its OK to discriminate against Gringos in Mexico. Its very common here.

    One must understand that Mexican Police investigate and prosecute ONLY 1% of all Homicides! What does that tell u?

    They are just going through the motions at these crime scenes, collecting up "evidence" never to prosecute.

    Mexico makes a Mockery of Justice.

    There is No Justice here.

    Shame to Mexico and The Mexican People.

    Until Law and Order.....and prosecutions for Violence......The Blood of their own Countrymen is on their hands

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  47. México hace una mofa de justicia. No hay justicia aquí. Vergüenza a México y a la gente Mexicana.

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  48. I have a hard time believing this story. I've lived full time in Mexico for over 6 years and I've never known Mexicans to lack in compassion. If Mexicans ignored their plight then there is something very wrong with these people that they did not disclose.

    Why didn't these people have a land line or cell phones to call for help? Everyone here has at least one cell phone. They are cheap. Why didn't they go to a neighbor's house for help? Isn't that what most of us would do after an attack like this? We go to the closest neighbor's house for the neighbor to call for help.

    That a hospital refused treatment is highly implausible. They didn't call anyone who could help them and instead called for a cab. Why didn't they call for a Red Cross ambulance? Because this is all made up with a desire to add the most shock appeal. It's a stupid story.

    This is just another dump on Mexico story meant to injure the reputation of Mexico even more. From reading the comments it is working among the people who believe everything they read about Mexico and who have never visited Mexico.

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  49. Americans that live in Mexico are blind, they think we are all such good children. However, we have learned over the years how to be the best liars and thiefs, and now we become murders and rapists because almost nothing can be done to us. Such fools, you gringos, at least we Mexicans know what we are and how to survive much better than you. Continue to bring your money and ignorance to our country, and you will pay a higher and higherprice. Bienvenidos !

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  50. I lived in CUNCAN FOR 2 YEARS , had a business there paid the bribes until i got sick of the whole corrupt way of living , mexico is a shit-hole, i make no appoligies for my opinion of the place, no one -- absolutly no one is honest there , it is bred into them , take what ever you have to today to survive , fuck tomorrow, the HATE the gringo to all of you who dont like my post and say it is toooo broad fuck you tooo , walk in my shoes, fuck mexico and all the slime in it!!

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  51. "Americans that live in Mexico are blind, they think we are all such good children. However, we have learned over the years how to be the best liars and thiefs, and now we become murders and rapists because almost nothing can be done to us. Such fools, you gringos, at least we Mexicans know what we are and how to survive much better than you."

    You are not Mexican and wrote this to inspire hate. How sick. I know by your capitalization of words that a native English speaker wrote this. Very twisted.

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  52. This happens to mexicans every day (lucky you are alive and learned something) take your stupid ass back to the U.S. and let all those people you told mexico was safe know your story. Why did you not post this on your city blog? protect the city? For the rest of you gringos a little info for you. When mexico issues a visa to live here you gave them your address you bank statements (income) your CFE quota (power bill) They are not the only ones with this info, these list are sold to different gangs. I listen to mexicans joke about us (yes us) every day about how stupid we are and what easy marks we are. I have been years have a mexican wife and kids I know the culture, goverment and how things work here + 24 years as a cop. I do not feel safe here nor do the mexicans how can you?

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  53. @ everyone
    Over 50 comments on a " letter believed to be true" good work guys I feel very informed now.

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  54. What if you are all wrong and Mexico sues us for not giving their people work?

    People bitch about the illegals taking American Jobs. But, what if you are all wrong and Mexico ....

    What if you are all wrong and Mexico can claim that the 'sale' was illegal, that would mean that we would have to give back California , Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Think about it, we won by war, an illegal war against Mexico and our Native Americans, then offered peanuts to shut them up.

    Now what if Mexico sues us for taking all their water, as we did and still do? We have basically killed their livelihood as farmers and producers by draining the Rio Grande and the Colorado and dozens of other rivers, before each can reach Mexico.

    Now what if Mexico sues us for our use of Illegal Dope, which is the cause of much of the problems. We STUPID, and usually fairly well-off Americans use the dope that is causing the crime and the wars.

    What if Mexico sues our Corporatio ns for their 'bait and switch' activities of bringing in factories for our profits, having millions of Mexicans move to the borders, and then we pull out and move to China.

    What if Mexico decides to 'Deport' all the Americans living there, we would have tens of thousands returning to America, all without a place to live, and therefore on Welfare or other government programs.

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  55. Yes and heard way to often.

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  56. This has been a very interesting thread, we have heard everything from hate to compassion , but where's the answers? I'm sure if any change is going to come it has to start with a plan of action, start with letting armed US agents infilter the goverment and help to clean up corruption.

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  57. I love how these articles bring out the racists who use this for justification for being xenophobic. Please don't go down to Mexico. Normal people have a hard enough time fighting the bad american tourist stereotype without you guys leaving your trailer park. Your ignorance and vehement loathing for anything that is different makes me sick.
    And for the asshat who said Mexico is godless - Mexico is more religious than the US. Idiot.
    And for the record, I am male, white and conservative. I just hate morons like the majority of you.
    Been down to Acapulco twice in the past 6 months, had a blasst, loved the people. Had no problems. Best part? I didn't have to deal with ignorant right wing idiots.

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  58. This whole story makes me sad, and nobody deserves to beaten severely to death or severely traumatized and then find that nobody is of any help to them (seriously, the hospital was that useless and unhelpful?! The husband was in critical condition for crying out loud!). It bothers me that there are so many insensitive people commenting on this (do you not have any emotions at all?!), and I will say this: How would you feel if this happened to you? Anyway, I hope the best for this family.

    I will also add that as an American (that is, a US citizen), I will never set foot in Mexico until the violence ends one day. I mean no offense to Mexicans when I say this, but I'd rather not risk my life like these people did. It's really sad...

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  59. @ July 5th 10:00am yeah it's a sad story but is it true?

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  60. I for one do not believe it~~ full time resident of Sonora American by birth and I dont believe everything I hear or read - this story is made up just like several of the comments in the thread. Its a sick slap against Mexico and just like something smug individuals would say about their neighbors
    its just sick!

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  61. We have independently corroborated certain facts in the letter and believe the contents to be true.

    What is this? Fox news? Believe contents to be true?

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  62. I believe this story to be true. I worked at a U.S. Consulate in Mexico for 2 years and saw many, many American victims of heinous crimes who sought us out for help, and I dealt with the deaths of many others. It is brave of this woman to come out with her story. It would be even braver and more useful to identify herself and come out in mainstream U.S. media. However, having frequently stonewalled media inquiries and refused to confirm that crimes even occurred, which is the de facto policy of the State Department, I know that some American victims have tried to share their stories in the U.S. and weren't able to convince anyone of their truth.

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  63. Worried about putting it in the paper? If these people want to help prevent this from happening they need to tell the public. If they've left Mexico, I wouldn't understand why not publish it now. How about contacting the US embassy or consulate for protection or proper action? I'm sorry if this story is true, but there are many details that are iffy. Yes, thinks in Mexico are terrible, and stories like these are real. But some things here don't add up.
    Anyway, impunity also comes from silence. I hope they get the courage, once they come back to the US, to write to the papers and notify the American authorities.

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  64. @12:17 am

    This report of the incident is all too true and collaborated by the people I know who live in Zihuatanejo

    All too true? So not really true? So you know people who collaborated with this? So you know people who were part of the alleged crime?

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  65. Everybody is sayin this and that about the "POOR" Expats who got robbed and raped
    in the middle of the night and how good they were to all the Poor mexicans they ran into in
    the 10 to 15 years they lived and visited Mexico. Let me tell you something Your Lucky they didn't KILL YOU! Be thankful that GOD made sure you and your husband are still breathing His Air! I know you got Raped and I'm sure it was traumatic but How about the Young Girls that
    get Raped by 10 guy's and then they Cut their
    heads off?? They can't run to the Cops can they?
    I hate to sound Cold but I travel around the world and it happens everywhere not just Mexico;
    Mabey these two should say a prayer to GOD that they let them live so they can die a natural death in their own country instead of being a
    statistic in Good Old Mexico!!!

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  66. So to all you dumb asses that said they should have had a gun...where would you buy one .It is against the law.Maybe buy one from the cartel.idiots

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  67. You can own a gun in mexico just more hoops to jump thru there are gun stores in mexico city and gringos can buy them there or from narcos

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  68. Your the one who is stupid stay out of mexico you have no business here

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  69. I'm so sorry to read this story. I am sure it's true.

    My brother was murdered in Mexico three months ago.

    He thought he was among friends. He thought the Mexicans were all such nice people.

    And you know what? Some of them really are nice people.

    But others aren't. It is the wild west with no John Waynes in sight.

    I wouldn't go there again for all the tea in China.

    Please, stay home!

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  70. Yeh I agree they should have had weapons and I don't mean just some shitty .22 6 shooter I mean some high powered shit....1 for each of them. All you would have to do is just let them know your armed then that's probably more than enough to keep them at bay. This is truly a mess.

    You would of course have to move after but it better than dying or losing everything THEN moving.

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  71. There is a lot of crime, at least as bad as this story, as well as incompetent police and hospital workers, in the good ole USA. When something bad happens in the USA I never read postings that say everyone should avoid traveling to or living in the USA, or even in the city where the incident happened. Most of the serious crime in Mexico is between drug cartels and the police. I seriously doubt that the odds of a foreigner being a victim of a serious crime in Mexico is any greater than the odds of getting killed in a car accident in the USA. P.S. I have lived in Morelia, Mexico for three years and feel much safer here than the 10 years I lived in the Hollywood hills in California where murders happened several times a month within a few blocks of my home. But does that mean no tourists should visit Hollywood?

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  72. Dear Anonymous, please take care of yourself. My brother also thought he was safer vacationing in Mexico than he was in Hollywood, where he lived. But he was murdered in Tijuana three months ago. Our family is very sad. It gets better...but not that much better.

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  73. Well the story might be true or made up, but just let's assume it's true. Couple of Gringos living in Mexico. Are they permitted to have firearms? Probably not, I don't know for sure but probably no. So they traded off the higher standard of living (with US$ wealth) and the lazy easy-going atmosphere of Mex for surrendering their right of self-defense. And they lost at the odds. So suck it up and shut up it was your choice. They could have stayed in their own homeland and if a trio of retards busted in their house at 3:00AM they could blow them away with shotguns, have a Corona and call the authorities to come clean up the mess. Take your choice.

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  74. It is idiots like Sylvia Longmire, who claims that Mexico is OK to vacation as long as you "blend in", who basically endagers tourists. She should be send into Mexico all by herself.
    I live in Mexico, I love Mexico, I love most Mexicans, but I have told all our friends and family not to visit until the situation is more stable. There is no area that is truly safe, and you never know what will happen from one minute to the other.
    I am no expert on cartels, but I live it daily, and would advice anyone, who does not really need to be here, to stay away.

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  75. For those who have lived or vacationed in Mexico in the past and say on that experience that it is safe there: you have no idea how much Mexico has changed the pas 3-4 , and especially the last year. I used to drive in Monterrey in the middle of the night without any fear. Now, like most normal Mexicans, I stay in after eight, and when that special tension is in the air, I will even stay in during the day, again like most normal Mexicans.

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  76. I LIVE IN MEXICO AND IT HAS GOTTEN BAD WHERE I LIVE. I HAVENT BEEN THREATENED OR ANYTHING BUT I FEAR FOR MY CHILDRENS LIFE AND MY HUSBAND AND SELF.THERE HAS BEEN ALOT OF CRIME DOWN THE STREET. THEY TAKE PEOPLE AND CUT THEM UP IN PIECES AND LEACE THEM ON THE STREETS IN GARBAGE BAGS.IM REALLY SCARED. IM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AS WELL AS MY CHILDREN. THE ONLY REASON IM HERE IS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND CANT GO TO AMERICA BECAUSE HE WENT THERE ILLEGALLY.I WANT TO GO TO AMERICA W ALL OF MY FAMILY AND NOT LEAVE MY HUSBAND BEHIND EITHER, IF I LEAVE HIM BEHIND ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN.IF SOMEONE HAS SOME HELPING ADVICE PLEASE HELP ME AND MY FAMILY.I DONT WANT TO BE A VICTIM OF A HORRIBLE CRIME SUCH AS THE ABOVE STORY. IT IS SO HORRIBLE WHAT HAPPENED AND SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER LEAVE U. I WAKE UP ALL THROUGH THE NIGHTS CHECKING OUTSIDE FOR ANY NOISES TO SEE IF SOMEONE IS COMMING, NOT TO MENTIONED WE WERE RECENTLY ROBBED.I CANT SLEEP BECAUSE IM SO SCARED FOR MY LIFE. I CANT LIVE LIKE THIS.I NEED HELP.

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  77. At least Mexico has somewhat of a middle-class - I always feel good vacationing down there, even with a tall blonde, driving thousands of miles in rental cars, consistently seeing other tourists that are mexican with their families and everyone is friendly - in other central american places there are 5% with plenty of food instead of over 50% like MX - I know some spanish and that helps plenty, even getting immediate discounts from street vendors. Helps not to stay in one place for more than three days too... expats should mail themselves parts and have a couple nasty dogs on meth if they plan to live there for good.

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  78. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcLl4RTlvX0


    watch this video::: lo que pasa en Michoacan en especial Tierra Caliente,

    the problem is worse then what we think,, this video is in spanish its a sad truth am going to translate,, it,, soon it will shock you ,,, there is some hot spots in mexico, where you should stay away,, but there are some safe places. stay away from the hot spots.

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  79. any narrative you translate please send to me. paz chivis

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  80. As a canadian who has been to mexico multiple times, many
    Different cities/resorts. One thing I can confirm. GENERALLY
    Speaking they don't like americans.however,they seem to b completly more positive towards u if u r canadian. Why? As far as violence, that's everywhere. Your number one tool to avoid trouble? Common sense. Its that simple. Have respect for your hosts, u will get it back.

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  81. Message to all you loonies out there - the gun nuts, those who hate Mexico and Mexicans with a strange passion, as well as those US and Canadian tourists and expats who refuse to believe that the carnage could ever affect them, or that there's some unwritten code of conduct amongst the criminals that foreign tourists or residents should be "left alone" because it would hurt tourism:
    The story is true.
    An earlier poster meant to say as much, but incorrectly stated that the facts had been "collaborated", when the word should have been "corroborated".
    But hey, if it makes you feel better to believe the whole story is part of a huge plot to discourage travel to, or investment in Mexico, nothing anyone says or writes is going to change your mind.

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