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Mexican Narco-Trafficker’s Revelation Exposes Drug War’s Duplicity

Tuesday, April 26, 2011 |

Trail of Government Intrigue Leads Back to Cocaine Jet That Crashed in Mexico’s Yucatan



by Bill Conroy
Narcosphere

A high-level player with one of the most notorious narco-trafficking organizations in Mexico, the Sinaloa “cartel,” claims that he has been working with the U.S. government for years, according to pleadings filed recently in federal court in Chicago.

That player, Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, is the son of Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada Garcia — one of the purported top leaders of the Sinaloa drug-trafficking organization. Zambada Niebla was arrested in Mexico in March 2009 and last February extradited to the United States to stand trial on narco-trafficking-related charges.

The indictment pending against Zambada Niebla claims he served as the “logistical coordinator” for the “cartel,” helping to oversee an operation that imported into the U.S. “multi-ton quantities of cocaine … using various means, including but not limited to, Boeing 747 cargo aircraft, private aircraft … buses, rail cars, tractor trailers, and automobiles.”

The revelation that Zambada Niebla claims to have been a U.S. government asset, working with its sanction, is a shocking development in the so-called drug war and has gone largely un-reported by the U.S. media. The claim, if true, adds credence to theories long in play that the Mexican and U.S. governments are essentially showing favor toward the Sinaloa drug organization and its leadership, including El Mayo and Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman Lorea, as part of a broader strategy to weaken and ultimately eliminate rival narco organizations.

U.S. and Mexican government officials, of course, have consistently denied that any such arrangement is in place.

Zambada Niebla’s allegation of U.S. government complicity in his narco-trafficking activities is laid out in a two-page court pleading filed in late March with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago. The pleading asserts that Zambada Niebla was working with “public authority” “on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration (“DEA”); and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”); and the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”).

“Public authority for the defendant’s [Zambada Niebla’s] acts began from at least on or about January 1, 2004 and continued to and included on or about March 19, 2009,” the court pleading alleges.

In addition to the narco-trafficking charges pending against him in Chicago, Zambada Niebla also stands accused of serving as an enforcer for the Sinaloa organization.

“Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla sought to obtain weapons from the United States … and discussed the use of violence in ‘the Smoke,’ a coded term for Mexico City, Mexico, an area of Mexico in which narcotics trafficking was controlled by the Beltran-Leyva Cartel, so that public and governmental blame for such an act of violence would fall on Arturo Beltran-Leyva and the Beltran Leyva Cartel, and not the … Sinaloa Cartel,” U.S. government court pleadings in Zambada Niebla’s case state.

Arturo Beltran-Leyva was killed in late 2009 by elite Mexican Navy forces, assisted by the U.S. government, in a bloody shootout near Cuernavaca, in the Mexican state of Morelos.

Coincidentally, in late March of this year, seven young men, including the 20-year-old son of Mexican poet and journalist Javier Sicilia, were murdered in the state of Morelos in a senseless and vicious attack by suspected narco-thugs. The murders of these innocent young men, amplified by the anguish of a beloved public figure and father of one of the victims, has sparked a rapidly expanding nonviolent, civil-resistance movement in Mexico that, as one of its major goals, seeks to put an end to the tragic drug-war carnage enabled by the failed bellicose policies of Mexican President Felipe Calderon — policies that have cost the lives of some 40,000 Mexicans since late 2006.

Finances

Zambada Niebla’s contention that he is essentially a U.S. government informant also takes on added intrigue with respect to another series of legal cases now pending in the U.S. and Panama.

To understand the threads that connect those cases, it is necessary to revisit the mysterious crash of a Gulfstream II corporate jet on Sept. 24, 2007, in Mexico’s Yucatan region. Onboard that jet was an estimated four tons of cocaine, which appears to have been loaded onto the jet in Colombia.



The Gulfstream II sported a tail number, N987SA, linked by European investigators to past CIA rendition operations.

Narco News has previously reported that the bill of sale for the Gulfstream jet — which was sold only weeks before its crash landing — lists an individual named Greg Smith, whose name also shows up in public documents that indicate he worked as a pilot in the past for an operation involving the FBI, DEA and CIA that targeted narco-traffickers in Colombia.

A CIA asset named Baruch Vega, who was a key player in those undercover operations, also confirmed the information related to Smith. Narco News has not been able to track down Smith, or his partner in the jet-acquisition deal, Clyde O’Connor, for comment.

Vega also claims that the cocaine load on the jet was purchased through a syndicate of Colombian narco-traffickers that included a professed CIA asset named Nelson Urrego, who was was arrested by Panamanian authorities in 2007 a little more than a week prior to the crash of the Gulfstream II jet. Urrego is only now being brought to trial in Panama on money laundering and drug-trafficking charges.

The Gulfstream II jet, according to Mexican authorities, was among a number of aircraft acquired by the Sinaloa drug organization via an elaborate money laundering scheme involving a chain of Mexican casa de cambios (currency exchange houses) overseen by alleged Sinaloa organization operative Pedro Alfonso Alatorre Damy, according to Mexican government and U.S. media reports.

Damy was arrested in Mexico in November 2007. He has been indicted on a series of charges in the U.S., including conspiracy to import cocaine and conspiracy to launder money, but as of this week, despite a request by the U.S. government for his extradition, Damy remains in custody in Mexico, according to Alicia Valle, special counsel to the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.

Damy’s case also is tied intricately to another U.S. govermment legal action against banking giant Wachovia (now a subsidiary of Wells Fargo), which was implicated in the Damy money-laundering operation. The Sinaloa organization operative allegedly used the bank as part of his scheme.

Wachovia inked a deferred prosecution agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice in March 2010 in exchange for paying a monetary penalty of some $160 million and providing a promise of cooperation with the U.S. government.

From Wachovia’s deferred prosecution agreement:

… Using false identities, the CDC [wired money] through its Wachovia correspondent bank accounts for the purchase of airplanes for drug trafficking organizations. On various dates between 2004 and 2007, at least four of those airplanes [including, according to Mexican officials, the Gulfstream II cocaine jet with CIA ties] were seized by foreign law enforcement agencies cooperating with the United States and were found to contain large quantities of cocaine.

… In total, nearly $13 million dollars went through correspondent bank accounts at Wachovia for the purchase of aircraft to be used in the illegal narcotics trade. From these aircraft, more than 20,000 kilograms of cocaine were seized.

... From September 2005 to December 2007, Wachovia provided correspondent banking services to 22 CDCs [casa de cambios], including Casa de Cambio Puebla [which was overseen by Damy].

… For the time period of May 1, 2004, through May 31, 2007, Wachovia processed at least $373 billion in wire activity on behalf of the CDCs.

… The investigation has identified $110 million in drug proceeds that were funneled through the CDC accounts held at Wachovia. [That represents only the money in the larger pool of $373 billion that could be proven to be drug proceeds.]

… The suspicious activity went effectively unmonitored. The $373 billion in CDC wire transfers were monitored in this inadequate manner.


Logistics

So, the criminal cases pending against alleged Colombian narco-trafficker Urrego, accused money-launderer Damy and Sinaloa organization logistics chief Zambada Niebla all appear to connect through the Gulfstream II cocaine jet at some level.

That aircraft was allegedly purchased with Sinaloa organization drug money laundered through Damy’s casa de cambio business and a U.S. bank. And that same aircraft was reportedly suspected of being used previously as part of the CIA’s “terrorist” rendition program, according to media reports and an investigation spearheaded by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.

In addition, the Gulfstream II was purchased less than two weeks before it crashed in Mexico by a duo that included a U.S. government operative who allegedly had done past contract work for a variety of US law enforcement and intelligence agencies, according to a known CIA asset (Vega) who is identified as such in public court records. The four tons of cocaine onboard of the Gulfstream II at the time of its crash landing, according Vega, were purchased in Colombia via a syndicate that included Urrego, who, according to Panamanian press reports and Vega, is a U.S. government (CIA) asset.

And now, one of the top players in the Sinaloa drug organization, who, according to the U.S. government, oversaw logistics for the criminal organization, a job that entailed overseeing the purchase of aircraft for drug smuggling activities, now claims to have been actively cooperating with several U.S. law enforcement agencies since at least 2004.

Assuming that rendition of the facts is accurate, it sure makes it hard to tell the crooks from the cops in this drug war.

Narco News previously reported a series of stories following the trail of the Gulfstream II jet, which can be found at this link.

In one of those stories, DEA sources told Narco News that the Gulfstream II jet was part of an undercover law enforcement operation being carried out by a Department of Homeland Security agency — specifically, ICE. The operation was codenamed “Mayan Express,” the sources claimed.

The sources requested anonymity out of fear that they would be retaliated against by the government for revealing the information.

The operation also appeared to be badly flawed, the sources said, because it was being carried out unilaterally, (Rambo-style), by ICE and without the knowledge of the Mexican government.

“This is a case of ICE running amok,” one DEA source told Narco News. “If this [operation] was being run by the book, they would not be doing it unilaterally” – without the participation of DEA – “and without the knowledge of the Mexican government.”

However, Vega told Narco News that the DEA was fully aware of the ICE operation, Mayan Express. He claimed further that it was a legitimate law enforcement operation designed to gather evidence against narco-traffickers shipping contraband into the U.S.

Another scenario advanced by some law enforcement sources with respect to the CIA-linked Gulfstream II jet and the purported Mayan Express operation is that it was all part of an elaborate CIA covert operation, possibly run under ICE cover.

In fact, law enforcers and intelligence assets who spoke with Narco News all agree that even a legitimate law enforcement operation cannot be carried out overseas without the CIA lurking in the background — given the CIA’s broad mission as the primary foreign intelligence agency charged with protecting interests deemed vital to the U.S.

Attorney Mark Conrad, a former high-level supervisory Customs agent who has an extensive background in the intelligence world, previously told Narco News that he has no problem entertaining a CIA scenario in the Gulfstream II narco-world saga. Though he stressed that he has no knowledge of the so-called Mayan Express operation, Conrad says if it was being operated in the unilateral manner described, then the CIA could well be running the show.

Former deep undercover DEA agent Mike Levine, who was part of a number of missions in Latin America, questions the legitimacy of any law enforcement operation that would plant an aircraft, such as the Gulfstream II, and undercover operatives inside Mexico to fly several tons of cocaine from Columbia to Mexico.

From Levine:

Would there be a sane reason [for such an operation] is the … question. For example, CIA flew many tons of cocaine into the U.S. in the Guillen Episode with no legitimate reason, but it was done anyway.

Consider Operation Fast and Furious [in which the ATF is accused of letting thousands of illegally purchased guns cross the border into Mexico to be used by narco-trafficking groups]. With our covert agencies currently so out of control [lacking] any oversight or accountability … whatsoever, the “Letters” no longer need legitimate reasons for their actions.


In the early 1990s, the CIA ran a spook mission (the Guillen Episode referred to by Levine) allegedly designed to infiltrate Colombian narco-trafficking groups. The operation resulted in at least a ton of cocaine — some estimates put the figure much higher — entering the United States unchecked. The head of the DEA at the time, Robert Bonner, incensed at the CIA’s actions, which were carried out over DEA’s objections, went on national TV and essentially accused the CIA of engaging in drug trafficking.

The CIA operation, which was carried out with the assistance of the Venezuelan National Guard under the direction of CIA asset General Ramon Guillen Davila, unraveled after U.S. Customs seized a load of the dope in Miami.

So, one way to avoid a repeat of that mistake in an operation like the alleged Mayan Express, assuming it is a CIA-run effort, is to use Customs (ICE) as a cover for the operation, one law enforcer suggests.

But the truth is, as of now, we simply don’t know the real story behind the Gulfstream II — whether it was part of a legitimate law enforcement sting, or part of a CIA covert op that subsequently, and unwittingly, became the focus of a law-enforcement money laundering investigation, or if it was simply a narco plane connected to shadowy figures who had a lot of bad luck. But there sure seems to be a lot of smoke beyond the 2007 crash of that cocaine-laden corporate jet, even until this day.

What we do know is that on April 6 of this year — some three weeks after Zambada Niebla filed his motion in federal court in Chicago claiming to be a U.S. government asset — the federal judge in the Wachovia case signed an order dismissing the “criminal information” charges filed against the lender, including charges related to the bank’s role in facilitating the casa-de-cambio money-laundering schemes allegedly employed by Damy and the Sinaloa “cartel” to finance the purchase of the Gulfstream II jet, among other drug-smuggling aircraft.

From the judge’s order, filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida:

The DPA [deferred prosecution agreement] required, among other things, that Wachovia Bank, N.A. (a) acknowledge responsibility for its conduct …; (b) continue its cooperation with the United States; and (c) demonstrate its future good conduct and compliance in all material aspects with the Bank Secrecy Act…. Given that Wachovia … has fully complied with its obligations under the DPA and has not otherwise breached the DPA, and pursuant to the terms of the DPA, the United States believes that dismissal is appropriate under the circumstances.


Zambada’s claim of being a collaborator with the U.S. government will likely disappear from public view in time, under the cloak of national security, if that cooperation involved any U.S. intelligence agencies, according to one law enforcement source.

And that is not the least likely outcome, according to one former U.S. intelligent analyst who follows the drug war closely.

“I’ve thought for some time that ‘El Mayo’ [Zambada Niebla’s father] and his people work with the U.S. and Mexican governments on some level,” the individual opines. “It would be best [from a perceived national security standpoint] if the Sinaloa cartel achieved hegemony; it would reduce all the fighting, and I think the U.S. and Mexican governments buy into that line of thought.”
As for Wachovia, it has already been disappeared, in a sense, having been absorbed in an acquisition in early 2009 by one of its major rivals, Wells Fargo, as part of a $12.7 billion deal.

But unlike corporations and legal processes that can be deep sixed by business interests or national security, the trail of tears connecting the victims of the drug war, and the rising tide of indignation that tragic bond has produced, cannot be so easily disappeared.

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31 Borderland Beat Comments:

Anonymous said...

So ATF is selling guns to cartels and DEA is sponsoring cocaine runs from south America to Mexico. They probably just want to know where they end at just like the thousands of ATF sponsored weapons in cartel hands posing a risk to our law enforcemnet officers on the border. Thanks a lot obama and holder. This is treason at it's highest level. We need to presure our reps to do something about this. Many would think that zambada is lying to get out of this but going as far as mentioning specific names of goverment officials makes you think twice, especially after the "project gun runner" op.

Anonymous said...

I think there is some worry of zetas eventually taking over all of mexico, sinaloa has been hit hard in the last couple weeks. CDG can't get rid of them, CDS either. It may be the resason behind this.

Anonymous said...

That's just what we needed... Now we sit and wait for the NEW WORLD ORDER comments. Last time I checked if you get caught slippin in the U.S you stay in jail. APRENDE MEXICO... This headache isn't going away till you learn to put people's lives before MONEY!

777

Anonymous said...

@April 26, 2011 4:27 PM

REally......blame Obama for this? This kind of shit has been going on for decades with the DEA and the CIA. This is nothing new at all.
This is exactly why the phony "war on Drugs" WILL NEVER BE WON!

Wake up Americans, stop being blind patriots.

Anonymous said...

Can't blame this on Obama. I'd love to see this Sinaloa cartel/ US operative and the 40 tons of cocaine story hit major US papers and become the scandal that it is but it will get "swept under the rug" probably "pending investigation", "homeland security. Blah, blah, blah. Blame it on not really wanting to stop drugs coming into the US.

Anonymous said...

Is the picture becoming clearer to you stupid american and mexican shheple, your own goverments are the ones behind the "narco wars", its nothing more than an organizd money and power grab by the wealthy and elite globalists...money spends the same no matter where it comes from...

Anonymous said...

I can't stand Obama, but I believe much of this probably went on before him. With that said, I think his handling of things so far is a joke. To me it's simple...Hey Calderone, we are sending troops in...You don't like it? Too effin bad...It's either that or you don't get a dime of US money, no training, nada!!!..comprende...NaDA....oh and btw, if you still complain, we will begin rounding up illegal immigrants and sending them all back to Mexico...Then you really will have a shit storm to deal with.....choice is yours.

Instead we kiss his ass apologizing for everything from AZ laws, to border fences, to Wikileaks and on top of that, we are in Libya where we pretty much have nothing to gain or lose.

Anonymous said...

KIKI was in on it, the crooked cop.

Anonymous said...

This is how CIA black ops finance their operations, since regular governmental funding of their projects will set them up for scrutiny. I personally know someone (individual currently under probation in U.S.) from Central America who was involved in the Mena Arkansas smuggling in drugs from Colombia and Central America during Iran Contra affair; this was when Bill Clinton was governor of the State.

Anonymous said...

Hmm...well, then, we're fighting...ourselves? Is this a phantasmagoria? Why not just out the hegemony plan, legalize all drugs, and let El Chapo become King of the Western Hemisphere? We can all live and work under him in an unhappily drug-induced state of dependence.
Imjustagirl

Anonymous said...

I fukken knew it !!! hahaha ! they're all in on it. knee deep in the shit.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD4XelnlPuQ

Anonymous said...

if they never declared a war on drugs mexico..would still be nice..

Anonymous said...

Texcoco Mex said.

I'm telling you corruption is on the rise in the U.S. In San Diego Ca. Logan Heights gang members are working with the police and their game is like this. If you want to sell drugs here you have to buy drugs from them if not they will make sure you get arrested. They also have low level hackers and cell phone tech + help from the corrupted cops, and they do credit card fraud and identity theft, if you don't work for them they will do anything to destroy you.

MF forget about the streets but when they rap they songs. They claim they tote the heat, they quick to clap they guns. In interviews be bragging bout the crack they slung. But when it's war, these cowards never blast, they run. Who the fuck you think you fooling dog? I live this shit. I know it when MF fake it - I live this shit. You can front it all you want but when yo ass gets hot. Then you can rest assured MF yo ass gets got. Money changing motherfuckers, making hoes grow nuts. You are a bad MF you don't give no fuck.

I love this song.

I'm telling you these MF are cowards they men up only in a group and because they have money to buy a way out.

porno said...

@ 6:49 you are an idiot!

Anonymous said...

But he is still guilty of trafficking drugs and laundering money so he still gets to stay in jail. I think we have heard this story before - the govt was in on it. Maybe they were but you were in on it too so you get to go to jail and so will they. Typical "bad guy" until he gets his nuts in the squisher then he starts singing like a bird. Keep talking asshole you're gonna need the company.

Anonymous said...

That bunch of commies at narcosphere loves to print anything anti-US just like BBs own poster argent/ernesto. I quit looking at that site because they are slanted so far left you can't believe any of it.

Anonymous said...

Your blaming Obama for this? Really??? You are an idiot this type of stuff has been going on for years. Hell the FBI and the Dea have sponsored drug dealers in every major US City,right now and they deal drugs commit murders and all types of crime without fear of any reprisals from law enforcement.
The cia, FBi, Dea and atf have all been involved in Latin America drug trade since the 1970's and they have all been caught doing it they sweep it under the rug. Our government is just as corrupt as Mexico's its just easier to point the finger at everyone else.

ET

Ardent said...

Poor Right Winger Anonymous 2:44....

'I quit looking at that site because they are slanted so far left you can't believe any of it.'

Wouldn't want anything to get in your way to listening in on your more preferred sources like Laura IngraHam, Glenn Dreck, and Rush to DisInformLumberBug.

Let's check for a sec what bugged this Right Winger about this article from Narcosphere??? Was it that reporter Conroy mentioned that the US has a long history of working WITH drug traffickers in Colombia and that they have transferred this know how to Mexico now? Must be Left Wing propaganda, right?!!!!

American Right Wingers make sane people roll over on the floor laughing! Their excuses are just so damn pathetic and ostrich like. Anything to promote more WAR for them always. American Right Wingers are marching America down a dead end alley, same as German Right Wingers once did. It's very sad.

Anonymous said...

Here are two more supporting arguments with the US supporting particular cartels and also US involvement in criminal activity in Mexico.

Encouraged by Amado Carrillo, the Mexican Federallies got the US to fly helicopters into Juarez and pick them up, fly them across to the US, then down the river to a ranch outside of Ojinaga, Mexico. It was to create a surprise attack, to assassinate Amado's competitor and mentor, Pablo Accosta. They were successful.

Next, search the articles "House of Death" in narconews.com. You will be amazed at how involved ICE and other agencies were with allowing murders to happened without intervening and of how far our government will go to cover their garbage.

Anonymous said...

"theories long in play..." Conroy? Like the shooter on the grassy knoll? Like the Republicans/CIA/Mafia/Castro/FBI had Kennedy assassinated? Like the US gov runs the drug cartels from the shadows? Like the US wants an excuse to invade Mexico so they can control the oil? Like the US was running guns in CA so the US could "take over" El Salvador/Nicaragua/ Guatemala? Like the US backed Zavala in Honduras to curry favor with Hugo Chavez?

Or does your use of "long in play" try to give your own theories credence when none exists?

BB reports mexican drug war news from a wide variety of sources and BB doesn't push an agenda. Sometimes they add info they have obtained on their own or they consolidate more than one report of the same event in the interest of completeness. BB makes a effort to be objective in their reporting. That is why they are respected and believed by many. narconews has a distinct point of view. If you share their point of view you can go to (for example) House of Death for tons of reinforcement and comfort. But narconews is respected only among those who share it's agenda. BB is respected and relied upon for solid journalism.

Anonymous said...

Texcoco Mex said.

Anon April 27, 2011 1:17 PM.

Theories long in play? I don't think so. People I know were arrested by corrupted cops here in the U.S because they didn't work for them, and most of the cops that usually get arrested is because of drug trafficking or for accepting bribes from drug traffickers.

I don't think the Government is involved but I do believe on the corrupted people in all branches of the law, all the way up to the CIA here and in Mexico.

I don't like drug violence or all that BS but if I was to choose a drug cartel I will choose Chapo Guzman I not saying he is a good man but I have not read about him doing extortion or kidnapping for ransom he stick to his drug busyness and if you don't fuck with him he doesn't fuck with you as far as I know.

Anonymous said...

1:17. You are my new hero.

Ardent said...

I don't know why Mr. Anonymous(es) 1:17pm/ 2:44am has such a problem with Narco News/ Narcosphere? I, too, think that some of their material much be taken with a grain of salt, but compared to many other supposed sources they are saints of good reporting.

'Like the US wants an excuse to invade Mexico so they can control the oil? Like the US was running guns in CA so the US could "take over" El Salvador/Nicaragua/ Guatemala? ....But narconews is respected only among those who share it's agenda. BB is respected and relied upon for solid journalism.'

Who the hell says such stuff as you accuse Narcosphere of saying? This acccusation of yours is most often used by Right Wingers to diss Left Wing sources of news.

And for your info, Anonymouses, the US already pretty much runs Mexico and Central America and has for decades, and pretty much doesn't have to do anything ahead to 'take over' these places. It already does run them.

You're pretty inarticulate with your vitriol against this article IMO. Your beef against this report by the reporter Bill Conroy has no real beef to it. It's pretty much 'I hate these Left Wingers' and that's all the content you're able to come up with. You simply can't stand it that others are not all Right Wing twits like yourself.

(And BTW, why can't you Anonymouses ever seem to come up with names so that we don't have to call you and every other dumbo who writes 'Anonymous'? Is it really too hard for y'all to come up with some e-monicker for all yourselves?

I do respect BB but also know that it caters to the Uniforms USA even as it sometimes does inform us of current events we should know more about. And I respect Narcosphere, too, because it doesn't cater to that Uniformed paid by government faux patriotic mindset that BB often does. PLUS...if we got all our news from only places like Fox News and the New York Times we truly would be misinformed souls babbling disinformation. So get over being pissed off that BB occasionally does print some material from Left leaning sources, Po' Babies. Good for them!

DON CARLOS RUIZ V. said...

QUE BELLEZA, QUE BELLEZA!! Lo que siempre les he comentado; hay narcos con licencia y sin ella. Ahora si entendemos por que Forbes ubica al líder como uno de los mas influyentes del mundo. ¿Y el altísimo precio que pagamos los ciudadanos por ello? Ya dejémonos de falsedades.

DON CARLOS RUIZ V. said...

QUE BELLEZA de nota. Como se los he comentado antes; hay narcos con licencia y sin ella, por eso entendemos que Forbes publique que el líder de esta grupo, que siempre ha sido aliado de la DEA y CIA, sea uno de los mas influyentes del mundo, asi que, porque seguir con la falsedad? Pues por BU$$INE$$! Y nosotros? poniendo el pellejo.

Anonymous said...

Ard if you are going to quote me - get it straight. You quote me incorrectly and the text is two inches away. Pay closer attention.

Don't start with the name calling Ard. Don't start. It got you in trouble with BB before and it can happen again.

1:17

Anonymous said...

Texcoco Mex said.

And for your info, Anonymouses, the US already pretty much runs Mexico and Central America and has for decades, and pretty much doesn't have to do anything ahead to 'take over' these places. It already does run them.

Are you sure about this? Mexico is still a 3RD world country, if we were run by U.S we will be a 1ST world country. Sorry but I have a low level of education, only 9 years of school in Texcoco Mex. and my English is limited.

A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY is the United States and its allies.
SECOND WORLD COUNTRY is the Soviet Union, China and their allies.
And a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY is a neutral and non aligned countries.

Mexico didn't supported the war in Iraq, Mexico is neutral and not aligned to any country, Mexico doesn't allow a U.S law men to carry weapons on Mexican soil, Mexican laws are not changed because of U.S demands, U.S ambassador was force to resign over WikiLeaks, and if you run Mexico why the U.S President apologizes for comments made by U.S government personnel, and you don't have a single base in Mexico.
I don't know if you run these countries but here is were you have U.S bases. Tres Esquinas, en Colombia; Iquitos, en Perú; Manta, en Ecuador; Palmerola, en Honduras; Comalapa, en El Salvador; Reina Beatriz, en la Isla de Aruba; Libería, en Costa Rica. You have military exercises in other South American countries but not in Mexico we don't allowed foreign troops. Exercises between Mexican and U.S military are conducted is United States territory.

No I don't think U.S run Mexico because if you did we will do what ever U.S will want us to do and we don't. To all the U.S people the world will always be more impressed by the power of your example than by the example of your power. Bill Clinton said that he was a good man.

We know how much U.S has help Mexico and I can only say Thank you United States for your support para un Mexico mejor libre de todo el crimen organisado y de toda la corrupcion que opacan la bellesa de nustro pais. Que viva Calderon y todos los funcionarios no corruptos.

Anonymous said...

To ardent

I am not a right winger, and I don't know what narcosphere is. I am telling you what I know, I am not blowing smoke out if my ass like most people do on here, nor am I getting references from other sites. My information comes from my own experiences, of the life I lived when I was younger. I lived on both sides of the border, and seen a lot of things that you read on here, only back then it was done behind closed doors not out in the open like these dumb asses do now. There used to be respect, but not anymore.
I am also not anti- US govt, I just have my eyes wide open. I love Mex and the USA the same, and there both corrupt. I also don't have a side left/right, dem/rep, tea party, its all the same bullshit to me, I can't vote so I pick no sides except for my own. Even if I could vote I still would not pick a side.

ET

Anonymous said...

Well said Texcoco. Your English is fine and your assessment of the situation is accurate.

"Are you sure about this?" ha, ha, ha I love it. Muy bien dicho. Gracias!

1:17

Ardent said...

ET, Bill Conroy is a writer for Al Giordano's 'Narcosphere', from which this report written by Conroy was originally written for. Giordano and Conroy share a Leftist agenda that was reflected in what was written here.

'I lived on both sides of the border, and seen a lot of things that you read on here, only back then it was done behind closed doors not out in the open like these dumb asses do now. There used to be respect, but not anymore. I am also not anti- US govt, I just have my eyes wide open. I love Mex and the USA the same, and there both corrupt.'

Got you, ET. Sad how messed up the Border area has now gotten. We can certainly expect better in the future for both countries if the people can stop passively following the corrupt corporate clowns currently misleading us.

As you can see, I am 'anti-US govt', but we probably share much in common in our views any way. If you get a chance, try to travel in some other parts of Latin America and maybe you will see why I might not think highly of our govt's role in the region... Society is deteriorating everywhere and YES, the 'respect' is now sorely lacking all over. In the US, we need more than supposed 'choices' between Baracks and Donalds, Sarahs and Hillarys, etc. IMO, what's happening in Mexico is also a sign of our own US decay.

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