Thursday, April 16, 2020

Heating up the Plazas of Sonora

By Buggs for Borderland Beat
By numerous sources

There is still space
I have been in discussion with a lot of people from the states of Sonora and Chihuahua, who are talking about events related to cartel violence and operations. These people include citizens in the "know how," law enforcement, some military officers, and some governmental prosecutors. As anything coming out of Mexico, everything is hard to filter and most intelligence info is hard, if not impossible to confirm. 

I been in this business (reporting on cartel events) for a long time and know how difficult it is to find the truth. I have connections not just with Mexican law enforcement officials (LEO) but also LEOs from the US, mostly federal and/or detectives assigned to federal task forces  (I present in many LEO conferences throughout the United states and have met a lot of contacts). I also have a lot of family and many friends in Mexico, who always share information with me, mostly information coming out of the northwest states.

I have also heard the debates and people who have their own personal opinions about matters of organized crime in Mexico and the US. I find it amusing with the "fans" of some of the cartels, that defend their own fav cartels as if they were talking about some football team, and speak with bias, spewing a one-sided narrative. If it were not a serious matter, it would be comical at best.



One of the incidents of strong contention and debate is the  LeBaron massacre. I wrote a detail perspective about the massacre, that at some point I might publish, but there were so many holes, that new information was coming out even months after the incident.


During the release of the Borderland Beat book and after the Lebaron massacre on November 4, 2019, I was thrown back to the matter of reporting on the Mexican drug cartel, even though I was still talking to people and watching news about cartel activities in Mexico and the US. I never left, I just did not report it. I was instrumental in building the Borderland Facebook page into a 200,000 membership of followers that resulted in gathering exclusive information and media (pictures and videos) material from events happening in Mexico. Facebook closed the page after it got too big for them.

I also started a podcast with the help of some technocrat friends about the drug cartel, where we got to interview people that were directly involved in cartel activities only after they were vetted to get some confirmation of their validity. That also went under after we got threats and we became concerned about the safety of guests and/or staff.

Lately I have spent some of my efforts talking about some activity coming out of Sonora.


Let’s talk about the "Mulatos" mine in the municipality of Sahuaripa again, I mentioned it a few days ago in an article here on BB. It was robbed for the third time, but this time the armed criminals came in by air. More sophisticated and an operation that needs more planning and financing. It screams as robbery assisted by high level operatives.

It has been reported in the past, and most of you are familiar with it, that there have been recent robberies of different mines in the bordering states, that security felt transporting ore on the roads was getting too risky. The Alamos Gold company decided to hire a small plane to transport the valuable cargo. Except the cargo was stolen by criminals that landed in a small plane themselves, a cessna 206. The heavily armed commando flew away with the cargo into the Sierra de Chihuahua horizon, never to be seen again.


Well, I was told by a source from the federal government that they had already identified the suspects. It was none other than your typical suspects, Ever Gonzales Bournes, alias "El Aguila" and his brother Victor Noe Gonzalez Bournes alias "El 500." They are supposedly members of La Linea of the Juarez cartel, but things are so fluid in Mexico, with things always changing, who knows who they affiliate with now-a-days.

Get this, they also claim that perhaps, the two suspects have aligned themselves with Rafael Caro Quintero, which we find strange since Quintero has been affiliated with the Cartel de Sinaloa (CDS). They said that the precious metal was sold in the city of Guadalajara, Jalisco.


The notion that the Bournes brothers who are part of the "La Linea" would forge an alliance with "Rafael" might be farfetch, but stranger things have happened in Mexico.  Remember La Linea has been credited with being responsible with the attack on the LeBaron family, where 9 members were killed, including children and women.

Where are the arrests?

Where are the news conferences of potential suspects?

We have seen a recent increase of violence in the towns of Yecora and Tesopaco, Sonora. Then there was the attack in Madera Chihuahua, where they burned down an entire town and abducted (a levanton) entire families who have not been seen to date. Madera also saw the encounter (a topon) between members of Los Juguar and La Linea (or was it an ambush?), although some people are arguing that both cells have formed an alliance. One thing is for certain, there is a lot of bad blood flowing in both states and it has become very unstable for anyone that might get caught in the middle of this mess.

143 comments:

  1. Cds losing power and it's showing

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    1. Everyone is always loosing power and its showing

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    2. All except la LINEA and cjng. CJNG took cds plazas from zacatecas (golfo now with cjng) down to Guatemala and la linea taking Sonora and parts of triangulo dorado.. Oh yea cjng took parts of DURANGO too.. Cds groupies don't like it but facts are facts son

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    3. You lot are dumb these cartel members die and then they multiply remember who has been around the longest CDS will always rule they cannot be replaced please learn before cheerleading with your pom poms

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    4. CDS never had Plazas in Zacatecas. They were just there With Golfo to help combat the zetas. CJNG is not in DGO Facts, they’ll get scooped up right away. If you ever drove by the border city’s in DGO you’ll know what I’m talking about.

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    5. @3:37 actually Gulf Cartel have been around way longer than cartel de snitchaloa so it's you that needs to put down your pom poms your not as smart as might have thought you were smh

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    6. Pure lies, no Jaliscas in Durango, Durango is well protected against marranos.

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    7. @4:42 CDS has done MORE then Golfo cartel CDS controls majority of mexico golfo cartel controlled only 2 states n they still lack in power in them states haha so u n your Get Old Live Fat cartel can pom pom each other in the mouth and instead of calling cds sintches gulf cartel has snakes who are fighting against each other hahaha

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    8. @8:54 didn't el chapo offer to snitch to the dea on the arellano felix brothers and el mayo had his man el macho prieto killed? el mayos son snitched and mayos brother also snitched. Can you say the word Snitchaloa? raise those pom poms

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    9. 8:54 as of right now cjng controls more than cds ever did and they made it happen in less than half the time, imagine that

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    10. Gulf cartel has territories in at least 5 states and only one faction of the gulf cartel is allegedly allied with jalisco. Theres remaining cdg cells in nuevo leon in oaxaca in veracruz in zacatecas and in tamaulipas. May be in some other places. Remember the alliance of cdg matamoros with what was left of the old school zetas. That gives that faction some life and the reynosa faction has enough man power that the other faction cant outright take over reynosa. In other words cdg is alive and kicking.

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    11. @10:49 they all snitch no man is true to their word in this drug business it’s everyone for themselves so there is no point calling them snitches thats what im trying to say every cartel is fkd up n aint loyal

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    12. @11:28 yh just like the la zetas n what has happened to them????

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    13. 5:28 Zetas didnt have the capital to keep a war going but cjng has what looks like an endless supply of guns and people so thats the biggest difference between them 2

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    14. @12.35 yh but it aint number 1 pulling power force cartel in mexico CDS is number one they are well connected with the gov in usa n mexico and are known worldwide with their connections

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    15. @5:28 When the government switches sides cjng will end up just like the zetas

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    16. You guys are absolutely delusional show me where in sonora cjng has any pull they are a bunch of meth addicts and nothing more than local gangs as for control look at the details and see why we are still uncontested

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    17. @1:05 GN or allies are getting smoked in Chihuas. Where are you actively trying to conquer new territory and expand your control?

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    18. Guys Didn’t Buggs just say it’s comical to pull for a cartel as if it is a football game???

      Roll Tide

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    19. @1:05 you need to understand chiuhas will always be a battle ground GN wont give up until its under there control

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    20. CJNG can keep their worthless plazas, they are nothing without the plazas on the border lmao

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    21. 4:33 well..cjng has Tijuana, mexicali and a tamaulipas plaza thanks to golfo who aligned with MENCHO..

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    22. Bunch delusional Cdg is not aligned with Cjng only the metros cell and that’s even iffy And the rest they’re at war with Cjng

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    23. Without a border plaza your product doesn't go up north so idk how they are worthless you must have been in special ed

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    24. 3:38 PM Snitchaloa nutthugger tell us CJNG doesn't control a border plaza. I ask you this how is it that they get their product into the US? CJNG moves weight but how. They have to pay the local cartel guess how they pay them imo for every 10 tons of product they ship they give the locals 1 ton.

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    25. @9:44 check on el 300 CDS done a big hit we all know CDS is the biggest player in this game

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    26. 9:41 big hit? Big hit is the one linea did on madera to cdsnitches

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    27. @12:16 yh linea played dirty bought 40-60 guys against 20 people it just shows they had to bring in alot of guys to take dwn an cds gang they played dirty like the little rats they are

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  2. Transparency has always been an issue in Mexico. Especially for those within law enforcement. This systematic controll / censorship approach is what led to many of these atrocities. Along with the combination of political corruption and uncorrected abuse.
    We thank you for your leading efforts to make awareness and support for a just cause. Most of all, to make a better future for those in need.

    E42

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    1. Can you define transparency when it comes to law enforcement e42?

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    2. The reffernce to Mexico's lack of cooperation when it pertains to foreign investigators. Past history has proven the unwillingness / stonewalling response from Mexican government officials.
      My opinion is; if not for US president pressure in the case of the massacre of the mormon family members. This matter like that of what transpired for the 43 students disappearances would have been bungled. Many of these independent investigators gave up due to what was stipulated above.


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    3. 7:18 US President believes in OMERTA, even as president, but do not forget that US Italian mafiosos made his bones for him and Rudi Giuliani along with the Russian Red Mafiya Brotherhood took him places since the 70s amd still carry his own branded torch of liberty, Omerta or Kompromat?
      --Stabbing your friends in the ass is some white men's Job#1
      Others chose to skin their friends alive, El Chapo knows.
      Job #2 is twisting the knife

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  3. There is no BB without Buggs or Chivis. I have been a follower for years and always appreciated the work of this team. Very glad to hear from you again Buggs and wish you the best during these times!

    Thank you for being an upstanding journalist!

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  4. Dont forget about Altar. Lots of activity in that region.

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  5. Buggs can you cite the sources you used by providing the links? its helpful for readers (and for BB credibility) to know where you got the info...

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    1. The sources are in the article.

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    2. Anonimity matters, Buggs doesn't have to reveal everything if it puts other people in jeopardy.

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    3. Don't do it he can be an mole gathering Intel for the criminals.

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    4. @7:41
      I dont think they’re moles for the criminals but more likely gather info for the gabachos because they wish they were gabachos themselves!

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    5. 107 the article is in the sources lol

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  6. Good read. Sad but true. Greed and power is at its highest. Wished it all stopped with the blink of an eye!

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  7. I see the Word "Football" I Picture thw sport the U.S americans call "soccer"
    - Correct way of thinking.

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    1. Football and futbol. Very different

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    2. @10:37 Football is in English Futbol in spanish so no not very different

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    3. Theres american football(incorrect) and football

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    4. Did you guys know American football was mostly running and throwing the ball was not common. The forward pass was illegal.

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    5. 9:57 the Forward Pass made El Chapo famous and rich...

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  8. God damn its ridiculous, years ago we had a more clear understanding between OC groups now they're jumping back & forth like hopscotch.

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    1. More like Double Dutch.

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    2. 2:20 Divide and Conquer at work.
      The persecutions of former associates and their imprisonment has led to the balkanization of crime all over LatinAmerica, as it happened in Europe since the Balkan War, not that it was not part of the Plan.
      Even the Pope expressed hope it would not happen when the War on Drugs was announced, but the organizing Wsr Profiteers definitely KNEW, so what, there was a lot of money to steal from the US treasury,

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  9. What's the name of the podcast you started ? Where can I find it

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  10. Linea ain't forming an alliance with RCQ. As far as the Lebarons. Sonora is hardcore CDS territory. Like said here La Linea ain't going to enter Sonora to block just one road. This Lebaron crap was a set up so the governments of both the U.S. and Mexico can eliminate La Linea on CDS's behalf.

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  11. Inconclusive article. Facts + speculations.



    Mochomo🐜.

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    1. Sorry to tell you but mochomo is retired in a cell this is not his problem no more

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    2. Retired or on vacation?

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    3. Whatever way you want to take it

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  12. miss the pocast...it was great...so no more new ones comming out?

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  13. Buggs: Great report. Thanks for your contributions and also for the risks you take and resources you spend in making BB what it is ...the best!
    Our prayers...stay safe.
    Mexico-Watcher

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  14. You can all agree at this point it does not matter which cartel has been around the longest. The fact is that they keep pinching the people at the top to keep their employees confused. The people at the top have no idea what's going on because they just got there. They are not privy to all the machinations it takes to run a highly organized literal life and death business where each decision effects the outcome of all. Basically this is how Mexico remains because the political elite do not understand and are unable to see the hefty price on the pshycy that a payoff entails. The moral consequence in other words. It's the equivalent of the addict who gets stuck. How many of you know that feeling. I do all to well. Venezuela is a good example so is Brazil. Not only Mexico, but yes politician and drug lord alike. Both stuck on the bank note not understanding their demise and of their people from within and at their own discord. For much of the time up until now BB has little to say about that lucrative area underneath West Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. The states of Chihuahua and Sonora who especially Sonora have been so quiet for the better part of 5 decades. 50 years people. Imagine yourself in those 50 years and how you have experienced so much to say wow that's been a good run. For what? What has improved. Do you have new schools, teachers, infrastructure, leaders in your community coming up with innovative ideas. Like in the US you know. The biggest cartel into the world. Able to write a check out of thin air, build a machine to help you breath, maintain a 2 centuries old rail line for mass transport, a public education system to help you achieve your innocent dream you have as children. Pavement to run the wheel off your brand new BMW. Endless fields of agriculture ready to feed the hungry woman and man. An amendment dedicated to the sole integrity of you as a law abiding citizen being able to keep his life in dire situations. How about this, thE first mass producer of all that is technology that WE and EVERYONE incorporate into our lives each day. Think about that one. Don't let your social distancing distract you from the truth. Jesus is, will always be, has been, will never end, is in every moment, and that to my friend you can decide in the freest of all free nations weather you decide to believe or not you can have your free choice to your grave in the most powerful nation ever. Its what's been given by Jesus Himself to the unborn and old alike. Take a hit of your favorite mind bender and see which one works for you. Its moment to moment.

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    1. Carnal, i enjoyed your comment, I personally think you write quite well. But your comment was all over the place. At the end I just left confused... What are you trying to say? Get right with God? Please elaborate. Thanks

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    2. @8:25 then his comment wasn't well writen if it left you confused at certain parts

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    3. All them words and said absolutely nothing.

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    4. @946....

      I agree with you 100%.


      ABK

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    5. I kinda understood what he wrote I try not to put my thought into some elses words
      until I reread it Then I try to really listen to what he / she is trying to say
      Words are feeling, when minds are sad or a heart broke thoughts get muddled. its hard to put words together when thoughts are going so fast

      They are his words Whos to say they say nothing

      the words that say nothing are the people who dismiss them

      so what if he contardicts him self Those words belongs to him

      We all cant be great writers or spellers etc
      Theres one Guy on here that has a huge chip on his shoulder
      he inturprets others words as a personal attack.

      This my friends is the reason why we dont always see eye to eye If I say I dont care
      do I mean i dont care as it dosent bother me Or I care but I dont have feelings for it ?

      Yea he wrote a lil weird but those words are his. Let him express them.
      why do we gang up on someone who we dont understand or agree with ? Do we all make sense all the time Maybe he had a few drinks or drugs or just having a bad day So What.
      The owners of this site let his comment in, thats good enough for me.



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    6. Lemme relay sompim' nobody's gods were there to prevent many epidemics before, and this time, in spite of all the blessings from many billionaire televanguardistas, was no exception.
      Leave Jesus out of this, people just come to Jesus, or God when they need something, forgetting there is a sample to follow in His life or His death, that requires no fake adoration or billionaire telepreaching from the modern Pharisees, Philistines or the money changers...

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    7. Talk about staying on topic, I am left confused by his comment, should have dissected into 3 comments.

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    8. He's saying Mexico sucks and absolutely has no interest to get better at any stage. No one cares about thier country and making it a better beautiful place. The cartel and the government care only about making money at their own countrymen's expense. They could take their profits and make Mexico a better place. Little by little. The poor man just gets by on God's faith. It's easier to blame America for your problems, all why destroying your own country and killing your own people.

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    9. Will disagree with Mexico's citizens not wanting to better oneself. After speaking to many citizens on a hesitant trip for over 15 years. The citizens are fed up with political corruption & the organized criminal associations of cartels and government.
      Outnumbered politically / financially and massacred. People are often stumbling on roadblocks to make the necessary changes. The majority of its citizens are humble and giving.

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    10. The ones who want to better themselves are the ones leaving to the US. They have a better chance of making it over there than here in Mexico. You ha e any idea how many people just got up and left Juarez, took their family and their businesses to the US/El Paso?

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  15. Buggs... Need you and Chivis on Joe Rogan Podcast to get this out to the world!!! Push the book while you are there.

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    1. 9:11 Joe Rogan, you mean Joe Rogan?
      Please, oh plis,
      have you seen his image burnt on the face of a tortilla?
      I mean, because, I wonder, WTF

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    2. Sonora and Arizona has been quiet for 50 years, really?
      Since Joe Bananas colonized new territories from Canada to Arizona, quietly to not have to kill the competition and to not to get killed by The Commission for unauthorized drug trafficking, it has been even more than 50 years, "Honor Thy Father" recommended reading.
      There is also the contributions of former DEA agent and "sheriff" Joe Arpaio, el Apache who hates Mexicans but not the money the Sinaloa associates produce, including as unpaid private prisons for profit slaves

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  16. Que carteles disputan sonora

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    1. 10:46 what matters is Joe Arpaio the apache sheriff got Arizona open for business for soo many years since he retired from DEA and nobody was wise to his evil instincts and maneuvers, posing as a racist squeaky Mr Clean while he was all full of shit...

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  17. I feel like RCQ wins no matter what in Sonora. Ive felt strongly that he's been moving both CDS and CJNG product through Sonora for some time.

    Furthermore I believe he's much more active and powerful than he's been getting credit for.

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    1. Well you wishing and believing is not going to make come true

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    2. Lol... RCQ moving CDS product?

      Wouldn’t it be the other way around?

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    3. 4:28 yes you are correct RCQ is moving cocaine threw Venezuela to Mexico. He has most probably partnered up with the new colombia mafias.

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    4. 5:41 why would Maduro need to trafficking drugs when he has oil gushers and could be making enough. Millions just from selling illegal Huachicol t ok the usual suspects, US dealers in illega huachicol, or to the Chinese, or ISIS best customers, TURKEY...
      RCQ would not be dealing with Venezuelan middlemen either, he got peruvian, colombian, bolivian Costarrican and US associates to deal with.
      --Furthermore, I think you are part of the gorilla brigades that dig their news outta their rear end and throw it away expecting to make at east some stick to somebody. And it sticks to your hand first of all.

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  18. When I can't understand about this article is, who in their right mind would ever suggest that Rafael Caro Quintero, is anything other than part of the people in the area that he is hiding. I've seen several suggestions recently, in more than one form, that suggests infighting within the CDS. Believe me, it's minimal at best. And nobody in Juarez, other than the CDS people, is working with RCQ. And it is really easy, to try to unseat people in Sonora, buy make it appear like they did something, but they may not have done. I choose my words carefully when I say that. But I do know, but there are a lot of people that are very jealous of these people, and also have personal vendettas, for numerous reasons. Including but not limited to the murderer death of their family members. ( El Fox, El Cedafi) and I'm sure the family members but you mentioned in the other article that you wrote, that were supposedly murdered by tin Tin's people, would love to see retribution some way. The harsh reality is, there is no way that you're going to leave in that area unless you're a ruthless evil son of a bitch. It's really that simple.


    Hop hop hop

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    1. infighting in CDS is not minimal. CDS has been having infighting for a long time, at times more than others, sometimes los Guzman side have won sometimes they have not. The biggest infight was with Beltranes, beltranes fell because the government took them out not los Guzman, Guzman where never able to defeat Isidro till this day. And then you have the fighting with los Damaso which obiously Los Guzman had an easy victory. You still have El Nini vs El Ruso, the thing is that you dont hear it as much because its not covered as much, put it this way, there is no other cartel from outside Sinaloa with a solid precense in sinaloa, theres no other cartel deep enough and strong enough inside sinaloa to fight sinaloa on its own territory yet Sinaloa is one of the most violent states, how? Who is CDS fighting inside sinaloa? Themselves. You dont hear much about Choix Sinaloa but theyre going at it hard SINALOA vs SINALOA, to the point where most are leaving their homes and those who stay are forming autodefensas.


      I know its nothing like the infighting in CDG, but minimal? Nope, even the infighting in CJNG is not as big as the infighting in Sinaloa

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    2. Is RCQ fighting with anyone in CDS? Arturo Beltran used too much cocain. The BLO have very little to do with infighting in Sinaloa today. And has absolutely nothing to do with my point. RCQ isnt working with the bosses from La Linia. the quinteros have been in the game forever. And no fools. The Guzmans are very busy. The Zambada's are very busy. War isnt good for business.

      Totally off topic, but no one is hotter than CJNG. and right now more than ever, they are losing loads, and taking huge hits. Like a thousand people have just been indicted in the United States, that are affiliates with Jalisco. Including menchos own children. Those cases aren't even close to being adjudicated, and by the time all the Smoke Clears from that, things should be getting interesting.


      But as usual, some troll had to get on here and make a point of something, didn't have nothing to do with what I was saying, PRESENT TIME. The money behind the CDS is still very prominent. CDS, and their franchises, aren't doing any thing less than doing whats in the best interest of keeping that money flowing world wide, especially in sonora. People from mexicali are a huge franchise, Paez Soto. Huge names....Los Salazar. Paez Soto. Paredes..... those are the most successful franchises of CDS. Present day. So RCQ participating in heating up CDS plazas by backing linea, would be completely insane, when they already feed the most successful franchises that exist. Comon sense.

      So I will hop hop hop back into silence. It's way more fun not being involved with narco bullshit.


      Hop hop hop

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    3. RCQ has a beef with Salazars so linea makes sense. RCQ can do what he wants nobody is gonna step to RCQ not even Mayo

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    4. @344, why does anyone have to step to anyone? What makes you think that these people aren't anything other than loosely affiliated partners with a comon goal. I see a lot of things being said, that are just argumentative.

      I've already commented on all of this way more than I wanted to. Fighting with anybody in the CDS is simply unproductive. Such is the politics of the narco-trafficking industry. But I'm 100% sure that these people are more interested in profits, than fighting with each other. I'm sure that nobody likes the fact that two of the Zambada's had got on the stand and testified against Chapo, but that's another story altogether.


      I hate clouding the issues with bringing other names into an article, that doesn't make reference to those names.

      But Jeffrey Epstein still didn't kill himself.

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    5. I give and supply you with product and you handle these people who are also your enemies. Nobody is going against #1, not even when JAGL was free did he and MIZG directly confront him. I concur @3:44

      Swami's IPA

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    6. El number one is not really the number #1 nice corrido though lol
      RCQ went to MENCHO for help as soon as he got released from prison.. He didn't go to MAYO, why? He sure as he'll didn't go to try to claim jalisco as his PLAZA.. CJNG is also a franchise who people pay for using their name

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    7. Stranger things have happened. But I still disagree with you.


      I am not bloodthirsty. I would not be proud of myself if I had to harm another living soul. And for a guy like me, being part of what's going on in Mexico, is definitely somebody else's game. At the same time, I was a trafficker. As a trafficker I had to navigate around personalities, that did not think the same way I did. Some of the people that I knew, did not ask for trouble. But when it came their way, they were the most evil people I ever seen.

      I sure would hate to be part of the politics culiacan Sinaloa. That's a whole lot of testosterone flowing.

      There is part of this forum that is absolutely incredible. And when I read through a lot of the threads, I can see the different perspectives. Especially when it's coming from somebody that's affiliated with law enforcement. When you see anything from LE point of view, it always has a lot more speculation. So I could go through and pick out which one of you is probably somehow associated with LE.

      But IPA drinker, I love the way you put your facts down. And I am also impressed. I don't pick apart what you say, because most of it I agree with. The thing about rcq, not so much. But I see where you are getting it from and why you feel that way.

      For me, everything's not an argument it's a different variation of a perspective. I really like the way you write.

      Don't let it go to your head. LOL

      ABK

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    8. ABK should meet BTK...
      you torture me with your long BS books.
      RCQ just wanted back the remains of some nephew of his from the Salazares, but returning those remains would he admitting guilt, and sentencing war is affirming the court findings without a body,

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    9. I feel you, man. There's kind of a reason why I do what I do. Sometimes you don't want to say too much, and sometimes you don't want to give yourself away either. So I beat around the bush a little bit. I have a lot more knowledge in some of these areas, that's why I'm trying to get my perspective. But I agree with you. It's monotonous. And I didn't mean to bore you or offend you. You don't think I realized my own fate with these people, or it could be yourself for that matter. I don't step on their turf. And I hope they're smart enough not to step on mine. It's funny, because I see the younger generation around. They don't know me. I get pretty close to them, just close enough, I leave them alone. Hopefully they leave me alone. Have a good


      ABK

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    10. 3:46 we need an opinion from some third parties, we are posting shit here that is for everybody upon publishing, anonymously, no need for further disguises; truth is, truth needs no bloomers...

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  19. FB closed the BB-page not because it was too big, but because it shines an unfavourable light on the WoD.

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  20. 11:32/11:42 Rabbit🐇, Conejo Loco, ABK:Arizona Bunny🐰 Killer: Read your story and comments on the other site and here. "No honor among thieves".
    The original big group that had sway over the state was working out of Caborca and the people that for some time replaced them have been involuntarily retired. It's an "Illegal Business" that you don't need to monopolize like De Beers to prop up the price to make a profit, just having entry points through control or agreement will allow you to export and also expand your wholesale by providing material to those that control entry points.
    Why would anybody seek to work with people who have proven to be traitors? Just cause they're from the same state? The top dogs reach the top and bring their own, at least 3 generations deep. Decades without freedom and watching your family and fortunes diminish will clearly demonstrate who is your Amigo. Their isn't another fugitive whos arrest and conviction or death would justify the WOD and the billion dollar budgets of the AED and this Carocter would have spent those decades in prison in vain by trusting his paisanos that are not his blood. Peace

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      Lol...oh, I like you....no one understands any of this more than me.... I love it... do you notice how many times I say the word franchise. That is for a reason.....


      That tickled the hell out of me...


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      You sound a lot like my good friend, and I'm pretty sure it's you. Miss you ,Bro.i just had enough. Not for me, I'm too old.

      ABK

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    3. @7:45 ABK
      Your original comment didn't once have the word franchise and you say their is a no way RCQ would be supporting or working with CDJ/LL/NCDJ and I say you're wrong.
      Yeah I know just because GN gets butchered consistently in Chihuahua doesn't mean CDS franchises aren't passing loads thru Juarez but they will pay piso. RCQ knows the people in Chihuahua, doesn't have any beef with them and can make the money he needs to maintain his freedom. It's all about the Benjamin Franklins right?
      Any and every plaza has a price...

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    4. That's not exactly what I said. What I said was, that successful franchises that already exist on the southern border region towards the West Coast, CDS already feeds. The Quintero's have always been in the busines. And Jalisco is one of their areas. So what I'm telling you is this, why would he heat up the plazas, when he's already been there feeding them forever. Everyone acts like these guys haven't been in business, they've been in business the whole time. They are just doing what they do. Is he trying to take the whole pie for himself, hell no that's suicide. All I'm telling you that why work against the already existing power structure, when they already own the existing power structure? Jalisco is constantly battling for more ground. As a result of that, more seizures, their Associates are all getting busted in the United States. Pretty much exactly what happened to Chapo Guzman.Do you believe that RCQ wants to be in the middle of that? With his status, it's in his best interest to be as low as possible. Mencho doesn't sleep well, i would bet. Is it possible that there are people that are in the Chihuahua, juarez region that RCQ is in bed with? That goes without saying. Absolutely. But they aren't involved in a dispute, over territory, and invading Sonora to start a war, when they already have those franchises as options to feed, don't make good business sense. One thing that buggs said that Rings true in my ears, "stranger things have happened." But in this case, I wouldn't bet my milk money on it. First of all ,starting all out war in this region specially Sonora, is risky. But putting the frontera power structure in the middle of murdering woman and children, might be a way to weaken people. But they aren't going to forcibly take it from them, and some sneaky backstabbing operation. Before you see that happen, you will see the Guzman boys go down, or Mayo for that matter. There are so many things that happened in the past couple of years that I could make reference to. Mayo zambada himself, said that a war was coming. Are all these drug kingpins hiding in the Sinaloa region, going to make things so hot for themselves, when they're already being hunted? Stranger things have happened, but my instinct tells me that it's not so.

      Now I'm basing all of this on my own experiences in the past. The more things change the more they stay the same. And as my friend stated earlier in one of the other comments, there is no honor among Thieves. The big guys still work in concert, to line their pockets. There is no shortage of Sinaloa narcotics on the street. And I'm quite sure that all these franchises are extremely busy. That speaks for itself.


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    5. @ABK If your rep is that you give up to authorities, betray, swindle and kill your own people I can assure you I would align myself with another strongman in my area of operation. Neither JAGL or MIZG took any action when told by the gray haired man after his release that he was reclaiming his old plazas. The same year of his release in PP/RP the person who killed some of his people in Caborca was discombobulated. Less than a year after his release LFSA fell and the gray haired man and allies managed to take a sizable amount of the plaza his relative FJCP once controlled. Like I said before, just because they're paisanos doesn't mean he will ally his faction/franchise with them. The eternal underboss fulfilled his end of the agreement and tragically passed from of a heart attack in the hospital during surgery like ACF. Much respect from a drunk man

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    6. De Reers has a lot of competitors,
      all of them as illegal and greedy as De Beers.
      See some of them in action on Zembla tv.

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  21. Hello buggs, please make interview with sicarios

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    1. Zebra I have been alive since 2002

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  22. Times change and Cartels arent who they used to be, they always been criminals but before something was different, there where people with history. There was the guys who made money, the ones that followed rules and respected the civilian population. There was interesting stories of how highly trained soldiers formed a cartel. Most stories and leaders seemed mythical, legends, you would hear about them, their corridos but had no clue who where they or how they looked, it was always a mystery. And now its all gone, any gang of lowlifes can be called cartel, now they wanna show off, making threaths killing anybody, no respect for society just to try to make a name for them selves. Now a target isnt just a person but anything around them, people vehicles get stolen to block traffic, they all wanna act like the good guys and stop crime and they committ the crimes they pledge to stop, before, hitmen where known in the underworld, respected and highly paid, now its any kid with a rifle who does it to look cool to show off on social media and wont even get paid. Now its a bunch of druggies, drug dealers became drug addicts and kill each other kill their own friends their own family and change "cartel" now its a tragic novela where too many people are dying more innocents than druggies are paying the consequences. The government doesnt do shit, they attacked them when they where structured and organized, now they let them do what they want when theyre more dangerous to the community and no rules to follow. Before if the cops didnt check you the boss did, now nobody. Its a sad thing, theres this "cartel fatigue" where we dont dont care no more who is who now its fuxk them all equally, they seem so overrated now and its hard to imagine anyone looking up to these people trying to be like them, some nobodies with no legacy. Yet its still an issue that shouldnt be ignored, camt look away from it not yet, its still a serious problem probably even more serious now than ever given the fact that theyre not being persecuted anymore and Mexico is living its deadliest year ever.

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    1. Well spoken !

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    2. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

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    3. I agree, it's sad as hell. No glory in it. The word "cartel" is synonymous with Despicable.

      ABK

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    4. 6:45 your tiresome rants against "the cartels" ignore facts like commander Miguel Nazar Haro of the mexican DFS, puppets of the CIA, drug trafficking murderers of Kiki Camarena all of them, was arrested in California for car theft and was released promptly on orders of the CIA...
      But sure, those DFS agents used manners and education once in a while.

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  23. The story posted here last year about a burgundy 4 door Chevrolet being shot up in AGUA PRIETA was el Jefe Fox. Who was gunned down by GN for working with the Linea behind their back.

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    1. The Chevy crew cab I remember they riddled that truck with bullets, than by standers started looting the truck taking weapons and money fucked up
      Dep comandante fox

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    2. 'DEP COMANDANTE PALETERO DE CABORCA'

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  24. Cds just lost onother PLAZA, chapitos are too busy partying and fighting MAYO

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    1. 12:31 ok just because you said puro cds they are gonna stop loosing plazas and the infights

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    2. 12:31 pinche lamehuevos. Ni si quiera eres de el cartel. Estos son muchis pero valen madre de todas maneras

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  25. Any news on El Memo, last I heard is when he kicked Los Salazar out of Sonoita!

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  26. Any word on Miguel Caro Quintero?? He's gotta be in back in the mix somehow right?

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  27. Using gold to launder $

    https://www.gangsterismout.com/2020/04/gold-ferrari-of-money-laundering-peter.html?m=1

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  28. Agree about the cartel " fans "...

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    1. Yep. Some even have cheerleaders and will die for their team (cartel)

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  29. Thread is half cackling hyenas and the other half quasi philosophers. Reminds me of a uni prof who upon first lecture asked which is the smarter animal cat or dog? ...prof proceeded to sit back and observe the class partially cannibalise...

    Canadian girl

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    1. @Canadian girl



      I know it's fun trolling through these sites, searching for your 30 seconds of fame, but do you have any fact, or even a shred of information to contribute. This is a forum. I wouldn't expect you to be a cheer leader. Contribution is cool,though. Not everyone is right. But knowledge is one thing, throwing your two cents in, when you don't know what the hell you're talkin about, almost seems silly. And just so you know, I love dogs and cats.

      El Conejo loco

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    2. I love my cats but dogs are smarter!

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    3. Hi El C l,

      Reading about and sometimes viewing the gratuitous violence on BB simply does not equate to 'fun' for me. Interest, awareness and knowledge is my cup of tea.

      Without BB I would not have learned of Dr. Mireles' false and cruel political imprisonment which led me to join in at the Release Dr. Mireles protest in Toronto. For the plonkers who will jump to the conclusion that I am pro illegal Mexican migration, Wrong. My sympathy and support for the good doctor was with the view for his immediate and safe release in Mexico.

      Any comment, opinion, question, declaration, observation, provocation, BS, rant that gets posted here is fair game for deciphering and shredding including mine but all are nonetheless 'Input'...and that's a 'fact'.

      Plus, similar to the men here discussing cartel analysis, calibre of weapons, laundering strategies etc. I'm able to offer my female perspective...like, those dudes would look so much better holding their weapons with manicured hands, or WOW, bet that dead guy would regret not having a Brazilian wax now that he's pants are yanked down...

      Canadian girl💋

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    4. Hahahahhaahahahahaahahahaha.

      Oh, I like you!!!!!!

      El C

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    5. 12:18 wins, and wins with a lot less words and a lot less space and waste of our time, lucky world does not lose any trees printing your garbage.
      Beech wins, possey lost.

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  30. Local Police, Government, Military officers gave Borderland Beat information.
    How do you know they are not cartel? They are probably there just to find out what you know and feed you B S Stories. Cant trust anyone in Mexico. Look at president taking photos with Chapos family.

    Mexican people are corrupt and stupid.

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    1. Wow Mr. Know it all smart azz, when will the Corona virus be over?

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    2. 522 that's like saying your race is dumb and ignorant

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    3. 5:22 ahora resulta que saliste puritano e intelectual por el hecho de a ver nacido en los estados unidos .

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    4. 5:22 is a dumb knockle head, quotes a whole race he knows nothing about,vI am sure his race has defects too.

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    5. 5:22 Mexican people have produced a lot of geniuses, war heros, humanitarians, scientists and worldly philosophers.
      I am sure your family is not proud to have produced one dirty pig like you

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  31. Canadian Girl
    stay dont let a meanie shove you around
    We are on the outside of this Cartel drug stuff But I know I tell many to come here to read about the problems Mexico is having am sure you do also!
    Just because we are not in the business We still have thoughts Its a open forum
    and until The BB bosses says we cant comment Your comments are nice to see

    this person @ 2:04 as many others besides the reporters that know more of the truth and whats going on
    Rest are are still just cheerleaders
    What this guy might not know is this website can help in many ways
    one it helps to understand why we should or not Open our Borders
    to Help or not help poor mexicans who are fleeing from violence Or do we turn our backs on all of them
    If we vote we can help or not for a bigger longer wall
    Websites like this really influence more then just putting down a comment It change how we feel and thus it changes how we vote or how we feel about our Border Neighbors
    its only natural for one to put 2 cents worth in =if a silly joke to lighten mood or add how these drug wars
    affect us We are the ones that see it on the out side The robberys in our homes or accidents on our roads or the abused child because parents were on drugs
    So yea you matter I see the effects of this Drug war here Arizona is crazy with drugs and arm dealers etc.
    until the OWNERS say different
    your 30 seconds of fame was nice to read

    perfect example of someone trying to control everything even if its not his Thats You Loco !!

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    1. @7:54AM oh my goodness, El C l was not a bully but gentlemanly with what he said and I wasn't offended in the least. Sure I'm feminine and not hardcore but if I can dish it out I have to expect to be on the receiving end. He was fine.

      I agree with your sentiment that knowledge can be shared and hopefully that knowledge leads to better lives for the suffering.

      Canadian girl 💋



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    2. 😁😁😁
      👍👍👍,


      What a sweetheart. ❤.


      ABK

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    3. Massssssssssputttttttt @437

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    4. 7:54 walls suck for many reasons.
      70 billion dollars a mile, to privatize the money mainly.
      Plenty room to keep smuggling on both coasts and through the porous Canadian border, plenty room under the wall, and even more above for drones to come and go, and all those private landing strips all over the US and Air America airoplanos, heheeeee Walls, heheheeee.
      Nice to see even the dumbos support canadians, me too...

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  32. alot of butt hurt CDS fans here.

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    1. Nah alot of CDS haters

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    2. 12:05. You a Linea and Jalisco hater. Wo what's your point?

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    3. If you are a fan of ANY Cartel you are a despicable deplorable human being. You aught to be ashamed of yourself and aren't worthy of the human race.

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  33. Remember that about 62 dead bodies were found in desert area in Puerto Penasco, Sonora recently. probably a cartel dumping ground, got very little press coverage. dont you find that a little unusual? it is an american tourist area. that is probably the reason it was kept fairly quiet. who is running that area anyway.

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  34. In so mad you can't do the podcasts. I loved hearing those. So pist. Never knew that was the case.

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  35. That's why with this happening all over Mexico, you might think sometimes it's better that there's only 1 or two or three cartels that is operating in Mexico. If the government can't eradicate them...
    Well because of corruption and spread of poor eliterate people, criminals flurish and multiply also...and
    All these people who are eliterate here commenting on their fav cartels and gangs bragging for idiotic life also shares thesame mindset of mentality with these criminals.
    Now Its only God that can put an end to this...
    One day it will come for sure.

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