Wednesday, December 19, 2018

El Chapo Trial: "Any idiot could sell drugs in Mexico. It's very difficult to sell drugs like that in the U.S." says El Mayo

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat

Pedro Flores

Pedro Flores, the identical twin brother of Margarito Flores, was next to occupy the witness stand as a cooperative witness. I am uncertain if Lichtman will be cross examine him, because of a conflict.  Lichtman was the attorney to one of the twins.  It is an issue that sort of went through some filings and I recall the end result was that whichever twin he represented said he would be ok with it, as long as Lichtman would not conduct the cross and of course not divulge anything said in attorney client privilege.  I am not sure what that even takes shape in. But let’s leave it at that.

I will say that Pedro and Margarito are the stars of this trial.  They may be the biggest gift ever given to the DEA.  Clearly it is their testimony that is impenetrable, because it is not bad guy testimony given on its merit, but a mountain of collaboration and hard evidence to support what they say.  In the end they had enough to potentially put away over 4 dozen bad guys. His cooperation included making telephone conversation recordings, multiple ones with Chapo himself.  And Other key players.

The Flores twins were born in Chicago, raised in Little Village. La Villita, the two mile slice of Mexico authenticity set within one of the most famous cities in United States.

The twins were born to a housewife and a small time drug dealer.

For years, the Flores twins ran a drug distribution ring out of Chicago that shipped thousands of pounds of narcotics to wholesale customers in New York, Washington, Cincinnati and other cities.

When they dismantled their operation in 2008 and began cooperating with the feds, prosecutors say “the twins had reached "the highest echelons of the cartel world."

Chapo Guzman was their main supplier.


The reason they decided to cooperate with the government has changed over the years.  Perhaps it was a combination of circumstances.  But Chicago put the heat on drug dealing and trafficking and conducted a successful operation resulting in large seizures, seizures of drugs meaning lost shipments, meaning money owed to Sinaloa Cartel.  They felt the squeeze and surmised they would never be able to pay back the debt.  In the drug business that is a death sentence.

They called on the feds to begin cooperating and working with them undercover.

Their father was said to be furious at learning their sons had turned into “rats”. 

Against his sons' wishes and despite stern warnings from their government handlers, Margarito Flores Sr. left the family's home in the Little Village neighborhood in 2009 and went back to Mexico.

Within days, the father was kidnapped and presumed to be murdered.  A note was left behind in his unoccupied vehicle in Mexico, saying why he was taken-- His sons, Pedro and Margarito Jr., were rats.

Testimony

From 2005 to 2008, Pedro said, he received an astonishing 38 tons of coke from Sinaloa Cartel. In return, he said, he sent more than $800 million in cash back to Sinaloa.

In 2001 Pedro says he was getting cocaine from Lupe Ledesma, one of  “Chapo’s guys”.

After their indictment, the twins moved to Guadalajara, Jalisco. At that point, they were still working with their middleman, Lupe Ledesma.

But Lupe sought revenge after the twins lost a drug shipment to  theft.

Lupe summoned Pedro to a meeting and 10 minutes in, 20 Mexican federal police burst into the room. Pedro was stripped, cuffed, blindfolded and placed in a squad car. For the next two weeks, he was held in a cell. He got sick, lost 30 pounds and thought he was going to die.

Then one day, without explanation, he was taken from the cell to a remote area. Still cuffed and blindfolded, when something was placed in his pocket.

When he was knocked to the ground. A voice said, "You’re lucky your brother saved you."

He was abandoned and in his pocket was the handcuff key.

Pedro explained his entry into dealing cocaine, along with family members, to becoming a lieutenant for the world’s most wanted capo, Chapo Guzman.

He testified he already has cooperated against 50 people in the cartel network, “risking his life”  to help the U.S.

In self-serving testimony, Flores tries out altruism, it may have worked if one wasn’t presented with the truth.

“Pedro said. “That lack of living. What I was doing, I couldn’t promise my family tomorrow.”

Pedro lays it out there that he still has made additional mistakes.  He testified he created a scam to flood other inmates’ commissary accounts with money, he testified, and got his wife pregnant again, this time in a bathroom while in DEA custody.

Below is a recording that features Alfredillo arranging a heroin deal for his dad with Margarito Flores. Pedro said that ringtone you can hear in the background was his DEA handler calling him on another line.


More testimony from Tuesday


Pedro describes fleeing Chicago after the indictment came out for his arrest, and  getting kidnapped in Mexico, and his first encounter with Chapo, which involved seeing a naked man chained to a tree.

He repeatedly refers to “The Man”.

Such as; when a prosecutor asked who supplied him and his brother with drugs, Pedro said "The Sinaloa cartel and the man."

"Who is the man?" the prosecutor asked.

"Mr. Guzmán," Pedro replied.

Pedro said even before he connected with Mayo, he and Margarito distributed  over 15-20 tons of cocaine in Chicago. He says they began working in the drug business with their father at the age of seven.

About the naked guy:  Pedro said he was flown into the sierras of Sinaloa to meet Chapo in 2005. He said landing on a clandestine runway was very frightening. He and his brother passed by a naked man being held by chains to a tree. He said he didn’t know what happened to the naked guy.

 He wasn't sure what happened to that guy.

Pedro testified  about how he secretly taped calls with cartel members. A recording of him discussing a heroin deal with Chapo's son Alfredillo Guzman. [upper left]

Pedro  testified that El Mayo told him: "Any idiot could sell drugs in Mexico. It's very difficult to sell drugs like that in the U.S."


Transcript Slide Show Below [view at full size]

The twins also distributed heroin for the Sinaloa cartel, but on a smaller scale. Pedro estimated today that he and his brother moved around 200 kilos worth $10 million. In one those deals, they worked with El Chapo's son, Alfredo Guzmán-Salazar aka Alfredillo.

Below view at full size it is transcript of a phone call between Chapo and Pedro entered into evidence.  Transcript it’s the transcript of a secretly recorded telephone call between  the Flores twins speaking with the son of El Chapo, Alfredillo Guzmán. The phone number he gives them belongs to El Chapo.




Below are phone calls recorded by the Flores Twins CLICK ON IMAGES to enlarge [not presented at trial yet, they are from court documents]



144 comments:

  1. Animo Patron! You will beat all the fabricated charges.

    GN 006

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    1. Gtf out of here with that shit,I thought your funky ass was gonna bust him out.your nothing more then a snitchaloa nut hugger😁😂

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    2. I don't think it's the Fabricated ones he is worried about partner...i believe the ones he knows are true may be a concern.

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    3. hahahahaha🔫 ake sicario rip chapo.

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    4. Lol!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. “Any idiot could sell drugs in Mexico. It's very difficult to sell drugs like that in the U.S.”

    Well, no shit, the United States have a functional government. Just try and cruise those streets with a big ass convoy full of coked out sicarios packing heat, and see what happens and how much you last.

    Here in METHico things are indeed much easier for the bad guys.

    El Cabrón De Tamaulipas

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    1. Ok carbon u are a genius

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    2. @10:19 AM

      I’m the best thing since sliced bread. Intelligent, handsome, charming, hot as all fuck, generous, caring, tall, compassionate, passionate. But my bestest quality is my humbleness.

      El Cabrón De Tamaulipas

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    3. So how is it possible to pass so many tons of drugs. ?

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    4. @11:26 LMAOOOOO

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    5. What you talking about compa they do roll like that in los united in convoys all coked up shooting people ,jacking the plug,they even have armored trucks just like Mexico put en los united we call them police and its even worse here because they have badges

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    6. @ mamon de Tamaulipas “humble” but here bragging about all your qualities and characteristics que vato tan mas guey

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    7. ElCabron.....I like your style, handling the keyboard tough guys, who like to put other commenters down.

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    8. Mayo is not a credible source. He is either lying or lives in a fantasy world. It is VERY easy to sell drugs like "that" in the U.S.A.

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    9. Yes cabron I caught your humbleness in between your lame ass rant

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    10. Lol bestest isn't a word, but at least you have your humbleness. Which by the way isn't a word either. Humility is more like it.

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    11. @2:48 PM

      No pinches mames güey, you are kind of dense, aren’t you? I mean, if you really misunderstood the nature of that comment i guess that i’m overestimating people’s intelligence too much, nowadays.

      @10:41
      https://www.grammarly.com/blog/is-bestest-a-word/ https://www.dictionary.com/browse/humbleness

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    12. @ElGrandeRojo

      I like your style too, man.

      El Cabrón De Tamaulipas

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    13. Hmm. Humble yet vain. Narcissistic slice of bread. Weird combination. Liked your first comment but then you commented again and ruined it

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    14. By the way, the post at 12:49 is still mine, i just forgot to sign it.

      El Cabrón De Tamaulipas

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    15. 709 very easy but the 15 years you get for an eight ball.... is not easy...
      GC

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    16. El Cabron De Tamaulipas - haha looks like you're an opitimist too! I mean over estimating people's intelligence really just shows you're looking for the best in everyone.

      I know I always appreciate what you contribute.

      Phelpso

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    17. Still didnt use bestest or humbleness correctly but youre still a cabron lol sorry cant help that youre from tamaulipas lol

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    18. It's ok to use "bestest" here but not out in the real world lest you sound like a lowbrow dwelling zombie.

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    19. @Phelpso

      Thanks man, i’ve read a bunch of your comments and I also appreciate your contribute.

      @2:03 PM

      I mean, you didn’t even know that the words i used were indeed words, i had to correct you. If i were you, i’d let this one slide.

      El Cabrón De Tamaulipas

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    20. Yer the u.s is the biggest drug consumer. Lol

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  3. Chapo is a dead man. The only thing missing now is that cheap coffin the us gob is so fond of.

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    1. The Feds don't bury anyone. They cremate them.

      El Gringo de Mazatlan.

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    2. Pine box coffin. Cremate? Your smoking skante

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  4. 9ne of them is married to a daughter of a DEA agent. Nobody sells drugs like that and gets away with it UNLESS they have good connects like government back up. Any other pendejo would be locked up right now

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    1. Nah bro ones dad is a cop. Ones name is valerie gayton and she was w margarito.

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    2. bad info. Its a chicago police officer and not a good one.

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    3. A dea agent??? Or a chicago cop?? I havent heard of the dea agent thing- ill have to look that up

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  5. Interesting what the stars of this trial will come out of.
    A slam dunk for what seems to be strong evidence supporting chapos drug trafficking empire.

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  6. Off topic : 2 teenage migrants were killed in Tijuana from an attempted robbery.

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    1. Immigrants
      Even the people in Tijuana call them invaders
      But the Chicanos think they know more

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    2. 5:48 so what isnt that what they were asking for when threating to kill mexican citizens...??

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    3. perhaps they should've stayed in their home countries.

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  7. 1 kilo of heroin for 55k ? That’s pretty expensive.

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    1. It’s actually a lot cheaper than it used to be. In the 1970s, dope was $300K a kilo.

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    2. Do you know how much one dose cost to a drug user it is a very expensive habit do one kilo for 55k is nothing to whet you will make after cutting it up and ready for sale to drug addicts

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    3. 55 a key of h is cheap. But mexican brown tar h is not the beat quality

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    4. @5:58, it depends on the quality. If it’s that China White, they can turn one Kilo into three and resale those Kilos for 50 grand each easily. This was also 10 years ago, so Fentynal wasn’t as prevalent. Fent has taken over the dope game because it’s cheap for the Cartels to produce and is stronger. Meth and Coke are in a similar situation, as it’s cheaper and easier for the Cartels to make Meth, so they are focusing more on Meth loads and not so many Coke loads.

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    5. 1131 you're tripping, in the 70's Frank Lucas was buying H off the Italian mafia for 100k per kilo, that was before he went straight to the source. 300 k is way too much

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    6. I said 55k is expensive coz i’m a recovering addict , here in the middle east the purest stuff(china white) cost 25$/gram , meaning 25,000/ kilo , and this pricing is not whole sale. .

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    7. @8:07, maybe he means “street price”. But yeah, no one in hell is paying 300K for one Kilo. What did Frank Lucas get them for after he took that trip? If was higher quality too. It would be like going to Columbia today and getting Coke for 2,500 a Kilo. Straight Caspita del Diablo.

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    8. 1233 idk the exact number but you're right. Frank was balling after his trip. His trademark blue magic was the strongest dope on the streets.

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    9. Heroin was absolutely $300K a kilo in the 1970s. That's because the Mafia was bringing in pure dope. Kilos of pure high grade SEA/Afghani dope today are $100K. Mexican brown dope is $30-50K and the South American dope cut with fentanyl that they calln "China White" is $30K. The above commenter makes a true point about the cocaine&meth dynamic being similar to the heroin&fent dynamic. Instead of getting the fent from China, there are now fent superlabs in Mexico. 1 kilo of fent will cut 30 kilo of heroin for added potency and extra stretch. Fent is a lot cheaper than heroin (it's $4K a kilo) so now we are seeing the cartels sell fentanyl instead of heroin. 90% of heroin on the EastCoast of the US is cut with fent or is straight up fent. Junkies truly are playing Russian Roulette each time they use. Before fentanyl, heroin addicts would die from OD's when they were relapsing after extended periods of sobriety and using the same amount they used before they got clean.. or daily users would die when mixing dope with benzos like Xanax... nowadays a daily 5 bag per injection user can drop dead off of 1 bag of fentanyl.People searching for plain old heroin can hardly even find it anymore. North Philly is the heroin capital of the US and if fentanyl is dominating there, it's dominating everywhere. From what I hear, black tar heroin has been replaced out west with fentanyl and China White as well.

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  8. Many many names, but never any names of those many many collecting billions in bribes. Now what could be the reason for that?

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    1. Those ate the real Puppet Masters....pulling strings behind their curtain of corruption and impunity!

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    1. Rats telling on rats . Give them all the death sentence

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  10. I hope these guys eventually get what they deserve. If you play the game whatever you make stays with the game you don't get what amounts to a free get out of jail card while keeping your millions. Be real men ,real family men work a shitty 9 to 5 trying to pay bills and keep your family alive.I wonder if these guys ever think about how much damage they've done, even without personally murdering how much death their product they moved has caused, sure if they didn't do it someone else would but any idiot can give excuses. But remember what goes around comes around if not in this life for sure in the next.

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  11. RATS RATS RATS RATS

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  12. Pinches ratas cause of u ur daddy got smoked n is resting in hell..

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    1. De smoky de daddy, de told him, ne de no de ratti.

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  13. The trial reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Everyone lining up to tell.

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  14. Chivis where did Alfredo’s new picture come from?

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    1. its my first surprise....it was presented at trial. usually they show a CW the foto and asked if they know who it is...etc etc

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    2. yea . new picture . probably in custody cooperating himself

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    3. The photo came from....

      The man!

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  15. That’s some straight snitching Margarito sounded all paranoid must of been coked out

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    1. Must of been?
      Must have been!
      Are u fookin high! Tis b the grammar police.

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    2. He sounded normal.

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  16. Chapo had thier father killed, the twins seek revenge by helping the court. Boy looks like Chapo will be for more, that 50 years.

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    1. if any CW gets nailed it will be one of these guys

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    2. Na . If these boys are capable of sitting back they will never be caught up to . The United States Of America will take care of somebody this valuable . There is a big round world to hide them in

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    3. Only until they need them

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    4. I agree with chivis even they admitted still doing illegal things one of them getting money for other inmates and other stuff. They were helping the government before their father dissapeared and still selling drugs and murdeting people their own father was mad they were rats and he himself moved back to Mexico.

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  17. These twin criminals need to be locked up for life. They showed no respect for the thousands they poisoned and to those who made them rich. When they got over their heads, they ran to their handler for help.

    They did not reach out to the handler early on to provide special assistance. It was only after they knew they had screwed over their suppliers and no way of paying their way out that they decided to be cooperative witnesses.

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  18. El Chapo will die in solitary confinement.

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  19. Damn looks like DEA has had seized/secret photos of Alfredo since at least 2008 or so, he looks 10 years younger than the recent pictures. Makes you wonder what photos the DEA has of Mencho that they haven’t released.

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  20. Good for him. Chapo is an ignorant piece of trash that needs the super max

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  21. Chapos is done! theres a new Chapo any ways Isidiro on the rise.

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    1. Keep his name on the down low

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    2. Down low ha he is known, the Goverment knows exactly who he is

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  22. everyone snitching, vicentillo was one of the first..CDS sounds like it stands for Cartel De Snitches

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    1. I wonder if any of them [who are cooperating to get a lesser sentence] will actually take advantage of a second opportunity.

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  23. Hold up, Pedro got his chick pregnant in a bathroom while the DEA was supposed to be watching him?? Damn son lol

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    1. I had to reread that a couple times to make sure I understood right LMFAO

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    2. Guess you are not aware of the baby making factory withing the prison system?
      Mostly hoodrats who go visit to pass contraband and give up that Cuchi. Women of low self esteem and little morals. Added with an IQ at a bare minimum.
      Think about it, what would a good educated woman have In common with a low-life?

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    3. 11:25 Try looking at that movie Magic Mike. A stripper falls for an educated woman. She comes around for one thing and one thing only. Good dick. Nothing else. She uses him. But she’s really with some preppy type dude. Apparently the preppy guy can’t give her what she wants. So she goes where she knows she can find it. That story actually plays out in real life. I have friends that live out that fantasy. Opposites really do attract. - Sol Prendido

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    4. its not his kid
      what is he batting 1.000?
      whatever she cheated

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  24. Alfredo was making big deals 10 years ago. You would think he has risen prominently since then. Why can't they catch him in Culiacan is a joke.
    El OJ
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    1. My thoughts exactly damn dude was doudo it tho when I thought it was ivan at least around that year

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  25. Do you guys thinks its messed up that all of the drug dealers have to have their names stated in testimony but rarely any of the bribes government officials get named...

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    1. Yes it’s fucked up, tells you how much the government really cares about ending the war on drugs

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  26. I remember that the twins wifes were interviewed couple of months ago

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  27. How escape tunnels u think chapitos are building? The heat is coming on them afredillo especially

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    1. That’s is why they put him on the dea most wanted these rats will do anything to be free and keep doing illegal things but with permission of the government and be rewarded too

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  28. He had a bad ass bitch. He killed KATO RANGEL Latin 👑 leader to stay with her. She basically set him up. All the rappers all celebrities wanted that ass but respected her couse KATO but this guy pull her. The bitch had power herself all her relative where top Chicago POLICE men. She on dmx 🎶 video. She a bad bitch am telling u since like 30 years ago.

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    1. What's her name?

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    2. Not true, you just watched a youtube video and think margarito and val set it up. Kato was killed in a robbery attempt

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    3. Word I remember that. Apperantly Kato stole from Flores but who knows the dude that killed Kato claimed he wanted to rob him

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    4. What video from DMX

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    5. SD OSO from 59th clowned that bitch first then baby D rocked her for a minute before he got locked up in operation casa blanca she's just an old baller whore looking for that paper

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    6. They say when the twins finally went to jail, the price of Kilos went from 17.5 to 29 almost overnight. It’s still that expensive 10 years later. I’m surprised someone hasn’t taken their spot as of yet and flooded the US.

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    7. Fuck that bitch.

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    8. I remember that her dad was police officer

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    9. You must be talking about a different girl cause one I saw in the DMX video who gave Kato a shoutout looked like she has had one too many plastic surgeries.

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    10. Which DMX video?

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    11. Assumptions. Yeah kato was killed over, stolen drugs his murderers admitted to it. However katos wife did end up being with one of the twiins after katos death . - agent: te cocho

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    12. You must be Valerie, lol

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    13. https://youtu.be/6CqXgs-7ico

      The video is "Where the hood at?/ Ayo Kato". She's at 4:34, she gives a shout out to Kato.

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  29. all the testimony so far against guzman are like 55 gallon drums filled with concrete wrapped around his body. he will die at florence and be convicted of every single count and they will be run consecutive.

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  30. Why do people hate on one criminal for ratting out another criminal? If the Flores boys had hung around they might have died hard. I woulda sold Chapo down the river in a heartbeat. Just as he would have anybody killed in a heartbeat. Better to be a free, living rat than a dead, headless carcass.

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    1. I get your point but these twins had the means to go on the run in another country. Call Chapo & ABL from Europe and tell him you’re retired.

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    2. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Ratting out your friends who helped make you a multimillionaire is beyond low.

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  31. Glorified rats that’ll never be safe. Like someone wants to buy their book about being informants. They belong in vat of acid.

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  32. How can you be in the highest echelons and be treated like shit. Fucking feds be contradicting themselves.

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  33. Everbody calling them snitches rats etc,but watd u expect their from snitchaloa!!!

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    1. The twins aren’t from Sinaloa they are from jalpa Zacatecas

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    2. The cartel de snitchaloa, not their place of origin.

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  34. So from what I can gather the twins moved way more dope with the la puerca and abl than they ever did with chapo.

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  35. Everyone rats name me one person who never ratted go ahead I’ll wait a rat is a rat as long as you don’t rat on your friends ...never forget the word pals

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    1. Mochomo, Gotti, Big Meech to name a few. I know some solid dudes from around my area who are small time but still took 7-10 on the chin.

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    2. You sound like a snitch. Plenty of gangsters don't rat. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. You make yourself look ignorant.

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    3. Carlo Gambino even tho the feds took him to trial.

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    4. Juan Garcia Abrego, the ex leader of the Gulf Cartel is serving 6 life sentences because he refused to rat. The dudes been at ADX Florence since '97 or so, and mostly in solitary. It's only been 2 years or so since he was finally moved to general population.

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    5. 9:00 will rat on his mama

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  36. CDS=Cartel De los Sapos

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  37. I wonder how much money the Twins have stashed if any. If they cooperated because they got too far in debt to Chapo then that means they were spending it as they made it.

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    1. Nah, they got hella paper stashed away. That’s not why they turned snitch. They were gonna get killed by either CDS or BLO, so they got scared and went to the DEA. However, they have millions put up. The book their wives put out is a money laundering flaunt.

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  38. Oh boy! Now its getting juicy! Thanks for excellent trial coverage chivis!

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  39. Um when u choose the outlaw life you live against rules and laws you care less about rules and laws you get caught and now u wanna cry you cant rat its not allowed? In the feds there are 2 types of ppl those who rat and those who wish they did

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  40. Plus all the shit saul rodriguez did, robbed/kidnap them , will that be covered in the court?

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    1. I’m not familiar with Saul, can you shed some light on this person and the stories associated with him.

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    2. He had a dirty cop working for him, kidnapping,stealing drugs and shit like that

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    3. search his name in the forum. tons of info

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  41. I called that number and sicario 006 answered

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  42. They will make a movie about these rats and you will all pay to go watch and support these rats

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