Monday, November 19, 2018

El Chapo trial: "Chapo Had Rodolfo Carrillo Fuentes killed for refusing to shake his hand

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat Thank you JL my legal mind friend


Image of the Diamond crusted weapon belonging to El Chapo entered into evidence
Jesus “EL Rey” Zambada, continued his 3rd day of testimony in the Brooklyn trial of El Chapo. Today he dove into narco murder, such as a volley of bullets causing the decapitation of Julio Beltran Quintero. Another was Rodolfo Carrillo Fuentes, who allegedly refused to shake the hand of El Chapo, and he was eliminated. Another, police commander named “Rafita,” was lured to his death by a lie saying his son was hit by a car, the lie supported by special effects.

Rafita: El Rey said “Rafita” was a police commander  who was on the BLO payroll.  El Rey  alleges Chapo and El Rey’s brother,  El Mayo Zambada, had sicarios killed him by trickery.  Rafita’s small son had just left to school, when sicarios screeched tires and slammed on brakes to assimilate an accident, they then went to Rafita’s home and reported his son had been hit by a car. Rafita was killed as he rushed from the home.
El Rey said “The boy didn’t even realize that anything happened.  He just kept going on to school.”

Rodolfo:  Was the brother of Amado “Lord of the Skies” Carrillo Fuentes.  El Rey says they were all at so called “Peace Meeting”.  As it ended, Chapo extended his hand saying “See you later friend”, and Rodolfo just stood there, as Chapo kept his hand extended.” Says Zambada.   

“Rodolfo was killed coming out of a movie theater with his family”. 

Rodolfo and his wife, Giovanna Quevedo, as well as a caretaker of the Cinépolis, lost their lives in the confrontation. The commander Pedro Pérez, who was escorting Rodolfo Carrillo, was seriously injured. Rodolfo’s children were not hurt.

This assassination then caused the narco war between rival cartels Sinaloa and Juarez, 'El Rey' testified.

Julio Beltran Quintero:  [not Beltran Leyva as in the U.S. press] El Rey says that Chapo had Julio Beltran, a member of Sinaloa Cartel,  killed in 2005, after he disobeyed an order not to make a cocaine shipment to Acapulco.

Interesting Note:

Back in 2014 when the superseding indictment was released, this is how Rio Doce reported the story:
According to accusation 2009R01065 / OCDETF # NY-NYE-616, presented last September 25 in the Eastern District of New York, Chapo Guzmán along with Mayo Zambada planned and executed the death of Rodolfo Carrillo Fuentes and Julio Cesar Beltrán Quintero, both murdered by gunfire in Culiacán on September 11, 2004, and July 13, 2005, respectively. This means that, if extradited, both capos would face charges of intentional homicide, as well as accusations of drug trafficking, criminal association, conspiracy against the United States, money laundering, and illegal possession of firearms.  
"It would be an unprecedented trial, because the United States does not have jurisdiction in homicides that occurred outside its territory, although I suppose that what they are looking for is to strengthen the case against these two people so that when they are in a court, punish them with all the weight of the law, "said Alan Raphael, professor of international law at Loyola University in Chicago.  
El Niño de oro and  el Julión

Two cases stand out in the file because they are mentioned with names: The murder of the minor of the Carrillo Fuentes, Rodolfo alias " El Niño de oro ", and Julio Beltrán Quintero. Both murdered in Culiacán, and in both cases with police protection.

Rodolfo Carrillo was ambushed in the Plaza Cinépolis, and killed in the parking lot with his wife Giovanna Quevedo Gastélum on September 11, 2004 when they left the plaza. They were escorted by ministerial police, including Commander Pedro Pérez López, who had been suspended by Governor Juan Millán after two attacks he suffered on the capital's boardwalk.

In the murder of Julio Beltrán Quintero, also mentioned in the indictment, which occurred on the night of July 13, 2005, they were also active commanders as escorts. In this case four elements of the Protection Services, the private security area of ​​the government. They traveled in a Nissan maximum, gray and without license plates. All armed and just behind the Red Jetta, red, with plates VHH-3304, inside alone was Julio  Beltrán.

They were hit on Alvaro Obregon Avenue, the main street in the city. The four dead police officers-escorts, who were ambushed did not have time to react, they were all killed.

Cross examination

Cross began by the defense Monday afternoon.  Defense attorney William Purpura as expected he set out to discredit El Rey.

He pointed out a discrepancy with respect to El Rey meeting Chapo only after his prison escape in 2001. Purpura asked how is it he was testifying to what Chapo had been doing in the decades up until then.

El Rey said, “My brother El Mayo had told me things.”

Regarding conversations of nearly 20 years ago, “Are you gifted with absolute verbatim recall?”

El Rey said “no, I can’t guarantee that.  I am now an old man.” 

Purpura pointed out inconsistencies between his testimony now and original statements given to prosecutors.   El Rey said that while aspects of his account may be changed since his original statements to prosecutors,   his  testimony was true.

Purpura asked El Rey, how it was possible Guzman outranked him, when there was evidence Chapo needed to go through him to get his supplies of cocaine.

Purpura then pointed to an organizational chart, focusing on Zambada’s mugshot from a lower portion of chart and held it above one of El Chapo’s

“How does that look?” asked Purpura.

“Fine,” El Rey said unable  holding back a grin, “I’m below him.”

Hearsay:

Most of El Rey’s testimony seems to be hearsay.  Which is something I always thought was not allowed. 

However, in Wednesday’s transcript, of last week, page 39 relates to hearsay. Judge Cogan  asks the lawyers to look at FRE 801(d)(2)(D). This is the section of the Federal Rules of Evidence that governs statements made by certain witnesses regarding out of court statements by associates, employees, partners, co-conspirators, etc. This section says:

(d) Statements That Are Not Hearsay. A statement that meets the following conditions is not hearsay.

(2) An Opposing Party's Statement. The statement is offered against an opposing party and:

(D) Was made by the party's agent or employee on a matter within the scope of that relationship and while it existed; or
(E) Was made by the party's co-conspirator during and in furtherance of the conspiracy.

The Federal Rules of Evidence and under the rules of evidence of most states, there are certain statements made by a witnesses that are not considered hearsay even though they are based on an out of court statement or not based on direct knowledge or experience. What the law has decided --and embodied in the rules of evidence-- is that these statements, in the context in which they are made, have many characteristics that make them reliable and valid evidence. So, for example, the witness may have been involved in a criminal enterprise with the out of court declarants (here, Mayo Zambada or Chapo), which makes their statements admissible in spite of the fact that they are not in court. Another class of admissible hearsay is a statement against interest. For example, the witness in this transcript makes repeats statements that are highly incriminatory, statements that would otherwise not be made by the out of court declarant. In some cases, the statements were made by Chapo, so it is a statement against an opposing party. In others, the statements were made by Mayo Z., who was a co-conspirator of employer of the witness.

95 comments:

  1. El Teniente Bravo right hand man of El Chapo eliminated the traitorous Juarez cartel enemy .One of our most well planned hits

    SICARIO 006

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    1. So well planned they killed an innocent woman and shot a bystander and just missed his two children. Nice aim 006.

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    2. British Speacial Forces, where are they Sicario 006, don't let out towns people down.

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    3. Che morro alucinado ya deja de fumar Mota de los Zetas y criko de traileros gays
      Al Chile siempre pones una mamada we
      De rato you going to have your own sitcom on netflix

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    4. Treacherous as in helping to bankroll Chapo’s escape from prison? Or treacherous in how Juarez help Chapo get back on his feet when he got out?

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    5. The cds betrayed the juarez cartel. Its obvious.

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  2. Chapo betrayed everybody that's why he is getting betrayed his sons will be next to get it, they are nobodys

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    1. Sounds like you’re the nobody here you are reading about them

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    2. Lol calm down chilango, your pon pons are showin. Los menores are nobodys? Lol u would not said that to their face, you will soil your underwear. Stay on the sidelines and just watch the game.

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    3. It's a matter of time

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  3. Los Carrillos siguen firmes

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  4. Chapo snitched and now hes getting snitched on,hope he ends up in a cell with mochomo

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    1. They way it works with the cartels or any other criminal organization they pay the police ,the higher up military to help them get rid of ther rivals so they don't see it as snitching ther just having ther employees earn ther money all cartels do this it keeps the government happy cause ther making arrest and cartels don't have to heat up ther plazas as much sometimes

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    2. You say this like if Mochomo will do something. This guys are all defeated and inside prison. No longer the same.

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  5. So who killed julio beltran levya how did he die cuz it's sounds like it's the same. What's the back story on him.

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    1. Julio César Beltrán Quintero is not related to the Beltran Leyva Bros, beltran Quintero is from Durango, he and his brother were both killed and it says right there did you even read the post? He was traveling in a red Jetta when a hail of bullets cut him down along with his body guards same as Rigoberto Campos Salcido

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    2. Ráfagas de Rey de cuerno

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    3. 11:06 Rafagas de Erre (ar15) y de cuerno (ak47)

      Both type of casings were found on the murder site.

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  6. https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-el-chapo-lieutenant-describes-killings-bribes-under-cartel-boss

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  7. Admins- how hard does 006 get trolled on here a day? Just out of curiosity how many comments about him don’t get posted? I noticed he has a large fan base so I’m guessing he also has the opposite.

    Someone should start a Sicario 006 thread on the forum

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    1. for and against about 3 dozen. for no other reason but to not take away from the post. I post proportionally

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    2. That is a very wise move so the topic does not go off course. Thanks Chivis

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  8. I hope chapo gets put in a cell with la barbie and the pyscho z40 with a sharp tooth brush... el chapo snitched guy

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    1. El z40 is making deals with El Mencho to help cjng take over Nuevo Laredo that’s why they sent him to puente grande

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    2. They wouldn’t do anything
      Their family is outside,
      El chapos people would destroy them

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    3. Yeah. Keep on hoping. Just sit down and wait ok buddy.

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    4. Why? I mean I want the same but Just curious to know your answer.

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    5. El Chapos only people are his mom his wife and two daughters. The rest of his family and former cartel disowned him for being a snitch.

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    6. @2:21 Z-40 is still calling the shots even from prison. Huevo treviño is taking others from his uncle.

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  9. Chapo made some stupid beginner moves.

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  10. I wonder what new cartel war awaits because of this trial. Everyone is snitching. I have a feeling the chapitos are gonna get disposed of and swept under the rug.

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    1. Mayo needs to turn them in. They just waiting on him to die to swallow his share of the cartel.

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  11. El Niño de oro could never fill his brothers shoes everybody knew that that’s why he was jealous of chapo because he was in charge of the federation Approved by Nacho Azul an Mayo

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    1. No El Niño de oro just knew what type of individual Chapo was that’s why he never saw him as boss.

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    2. If u do ur research the whole thing started because chapo didnt want to pay plaza to cdj, while moving weight thru juarez.cdj killed some of his men as a message and thats more or less how it started.Look it up it well documented by people who were in the know.

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    3. Wrong, Arturo was in charge.

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    4. You guys really hate on chapo it’s so hilarious 😂 and Arturo was NEVER in charge of the federation it was chapo he was the real deal even el Rey just said him and Mayo would remain close to him and visit him frequently because they knew he was the boss

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    5. Wrong??? You must be a rookie don’t ever try to insult me by trying to correct me on something you clearly have no clue about

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    6. 2:11 Arturo was part of the Sinaloan Federation, what you don’t understand is that they were all leaders of their respective crews but came together to make decision in who/ and how you could operate in each other’s territory. Arturo was the boss of his people and Chapo his, they worked with one other not one for the other. Difference my boy.

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    7. Rodolfo was the cartels negotiator not trying to be the boss.

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    8. Mayo was still under the carrillo fuentes flag when rodolfo got smoked. Thats why vicente personally called mayo and asked him for chapos head. Arturo started working chapos connects after amado died. Bravo was pawned to chapo from alfredo after the escape from puente grande and the rest is history.

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  12. Why is he saying shit the government already knew about Julio was really killed for loosing the shipment no for making it happen

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  13. For those that do not know, the line of Julio Beltran was left to a very humble man that right now pushes the most cocaine into the states.

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    1. Im curious to who you are referring to my friend...enquiring minds want to know..no soplon here

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    2. Como se llama el compita

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    3. Ill give u a clue, he pushes mad weight all over the world, evrybody loves him and he has the state of the art machine to go anywhere he wants. Another clue is he resides where theres tons and tons of snowflake.last clue hes got an army of chapos...ha,ha el viejo nicolas. Cmon fellas these guys dnt know they juat listen to corridos and assume shit!!!

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    4. 4:59 I made original comment. My wife's cousin they call him Guero works for him in the legal sector. He is an architect. The gentlemen that inherited that LINE from Julio Beltran was a right hand man when he was a live. Right now he has two leadears in his organization that are brothers that help manage it. One of the brother's name is Manuel. He use to go to Peru to talk to Capo's over there in regards to logistics. I do not know his brothers name but I know he has a bad cocaine habit. They are related to my comadre, they are cousins. The two brothers get worked done are somewhat reckless but el jefe is a whole different story. Genuine, respectful, no addictions, hard working agricultor on the low. One of the financial people goes by the name of "Nano". They have a big ranch exiting Culiacan towards Imala. In that same area there are many monsters that push heavy weight. One of them being an Aispuro that moves about 500-600 k's of hielo a month. Enjoy fellas.

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    5. this del norte guy sure does complain alot. shut up dude.

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  14. ADX getting closer.

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  15. Word out pancho arce killed rodolfo.

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    1. i always thought los mazatlecos killed pancho...maybe it was the carillos.

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    2. Haha bravo punched rodolfos ticket son. Pancho took out a nephew that was like eighteen years old or something like that.

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  16. JULION BELTRAN was not kill by chapo or mayo he was kill by OLEGARIO CHAIDEZ R.I.P. Over personal beef. I rember OLEGARIO telling me that they did fired back and try to make a run for it but the where still gun down for killing his brother and other family members. OLEGARIO was also el mago tio. El HiPPie

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    1. Please elaborate, got the popcorn in the microwave

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    2. Still julio beltran was heavy he was bestfriends with arturo beltran leyva and friends with mayo and chapo his hit was approved by mayo olegario worked with or for mayo .. They did this without letting people know who the killer was for fear of retaliation

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    3. Julion Beltran era d la meza del rodeo y Olegario chaidez was from Chacala both pueblos in tamazula Durango. Beltranes from tamazula where not related to the beltran cartel brothers. Beltranes & CHAIDEZ never got along been fighting since the 80s. Julion kill a chaidez and OLEGARIO was more low key but a powerful man.

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    4. Dont never mention the wizards name and leave that family stuff alone.

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    5. @6:23 wizard? You mean el Mago aka Eddie Escobedo de East Los Angeles? The same one that was mentioned in the hit on guerito in 2008 in that Bentley and also in like 2011 or 2012 on that Torrance mota bust? Is that who you referring to?

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  17. Pre war COLT 1911 .. plus it’s not all gold and tacky.. what a nice piece..

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  18. Chapo didn’t kill Julio Beltrán lol he worked directly under his wing there wa snobway Chapo would have killed a top figure in his organization for not wanting to do something in his behalf the word was when this happen and this is just from people who knew that the contras where in the plaza but didn’t know exactly who or where they would target gente de osiel killed Julio

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    1. Chapo killed many important people in his organization what are you talking about?!?! C'mon think mcfly!!

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  19. This can backfire on chapo big time. The government can simply capture and kill his sons, kill his mother and any other family he has in Mexico which is apparently a lot to make an example. Maybe that’s why Mochomo said “no thanks”

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  20. Chapo had a guy murdered for not shaking his ✋ hand, you see how ruthless he was, when he was free in Mexico. Chapo lovers , this is one of the many charges, he won't be going home.

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    1. Chapo offers his hand u just not shake it, you will also kiss it. So these guy tried to be tuff guess he was not, end of story.
      Puro nayarit

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    2. Goes beyond not shaking his hand. The two were rivals from different cartels. El Chapo offered his hand as a sign of peace and the guy didn't shake it. It was blatant sign of disrespect and things to come. El Chapo made the first move.

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    3. It was a "suckers deal" for Carrillo to accept Chapos hand to make so called peace. Mayo Zambada was number 2 in command of the Juarez Cartel when this happened and negotiations where in place so Sinaloa could take over the whole cartel. It was a sublte move and Carrillos knew this so this is the purpose of the diss.
      Do not believe me? Search yourself online. These are facts

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  21. Anybody knows wtf is going on in Santa Ana/Magdalena. Plaza boss killed last week, 14 dead in the past two days. About a month ago CJNG threatened to get in there and clean up. Apparently it is happening

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  22. Muerte a Rodolfo culpan a Guzmán
    le matan al Pollo dentro del penal
    Culiacán y El Golfo se dieron un trompo
    Juárez ya es de acá. Perdieron la vida Adolfo Beltrán despues le seguía Julion su carnal
    su padre moría haya en Galerías
    comprando su sal.

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  23. They should put Chapo in Benjamin Arellano cell and let see face to face..

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    1. That would be a good one , who ever wins would get sentenced reduced Lol

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    2. Chapo would die of shock the first 10 seconds in the cell still better than being put in with z40 or 42 all that would be left is skull & bones after they eat him

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  24. When El Señor Chapo offers to shake your hand .You shake his hand period !!

    Animo Patron !!

    SICARIO 006

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  25. @11:41 And we still don't know because you are not telling who that "very humble" man is.

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  26. I'm from Poland I found it funny how he was so nice with innocent people woman and children that the people loved him but he was ruthless with his enemies reminds of Pablo escobar
    La polaca

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    1. Polaca you buying into the fake stories of his compassion both Pablo and Guzman were ruthless and killed innocent women and children when it was convenient and yes they gave to the poor also when convenient don’t buy into the bullshit
      -1 animal

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    2. I'm from sinaloa and I'm embarrassed to say I used to be a hitman the orders from mr Guzman where n this is what the local plazas bosses told us dont mess with innocent people or get killed of course we had sicarios from all over mexico who dint care and would do bad stuff to the local people
      Now in sinaloa it was a whole different story every one being from sinaloa they dint dared mess with the town people we where like the police to served and protect buy yes chapo himself ordered always no messing with woman or children in general the town people but not all Sicarios followed his rule

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    3. Lmao you were never a hitman shut up cagon lol

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  27. Sounds like Chapo is a traicionero

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    1. Sounds like you just post what everyone posts rodolfo wasn’t wanted in the federation he wasn’t fit to lead They were loyal to Amado Not Rodolfo

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    2. Admit it Chapo was killing people left and right for insignificant reasons , just for not shaking his hand , that's child play , well he is lock up now

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    3. Theres always been a pattern of chapo cheating and betrayal.

      Arellanos
      Carrillos
      Beltranes
      Damasos

      Always Chapo. Biggest traitor in sinaloa.

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    4. Pretty sure it was Damsos that turned on Chapo. They may have been the dumbest of all. They had it made. Greed. Now they're gonna snitch on him in court.

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    5. Ah almost forgot loads and money chapo stole from miguel felix and his uncle pedro aviles. He always was a cheap rat.

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  28. Its hella funny how at the trial everybodys getting the actual facts to crimes by cds and yet people still say theyre wrong because eother they heard it in a corrido or a friend told them otherwise!!! Wake up sheep!! Ur getting it straight from the horses mouth.

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  29. O06 chapo will have no one to chat with
    Colorado super max
    No association
    Lonely days in cell 22 hours en day..chapo have no choice but to spill guts
    So he don't get death PENALTY
    Chapo is over never see hot girlfriend..cant run.billion solar busines without brutality
    Simple..why should he not spill on corrupt govt.too bad these guy cant live n retire with fruit of labour
    Move to Cuba
    Get out chapo eh gentle soul
    Eyes of caring person
    Honest N congenial

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  30. Can anyone please tell me why no one ever mentions MZ remaining sons who run his faction..well not as much as you hear about Chapitos..l’ve heard of two other sons of Mayo Zambada (who apparently run things very efficiently)pretty sure there’s more than that but even Chapo is it true he actually has like 6 or 7 sons?

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    1. The skinny guy is a lot like his old man(MZ) not as violent as chente but smart and patient in his approach. Chapitos are doing what their dad did. That is take the heat off the Zamabada family.

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  31. rodolpho shouldnt have shot jaguar in that bar lol

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    1. And chapo shouldnt have backstabbed the Beltranes that had his back. Sin ellos solo duro 4 añitos. Le quedo grande el puesto a la chaparra.

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