Tuesday, July 3, 2018

Redacted material revealed, a peek at governments evidence that El Chapo was never Sinaloa Cartel leader

Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat

Government evidence indicates who was/is leader of Sinaloa Cartel

Borderland Beat followers:

Some of you are upset I removed a document from my post titled "Government has evidence indicating El Chapo was not top leader of SinaloaCartel".  The document, which is a letter of reply, includes redacted material, essentially naming 9 pieces of evidence from 41  in the hands of the government.  The government disclosed as having this evidence, without producing additional context with respect to the potentially exculpatory evidence, indicating El Chapo was not the top leader of the Sinaloa Cartel, and never had been. This is one of the charges against him.   Only now, two months before trial, that the defense was made aware that such evidence existed.

There appears to have been a malfunction with the government website, possibly in the process of uploading the document on to the website, whereas the redacted information could be compromised.

This was revealed to me, by a BB follower, who determined how to expose the reacted material, that is under the text, and blackened out in a court filing. Although it is not the entire list of material the government has, it gives a glimpse into what is claimed.

When the error was discovered, the document was then prohibited in accessing by  the public.  I decided at that time to remove the document  from my BB post and my Scribd page, along with the revealed information the BB follower had posted on comments.


However, after thinking about it for a day, I have proceeded with this post I had in draft and share it with readers,  revealing the 9 points of evidence disclosed.

It begins from 1999, which at the time the government determined there was no premier leader governing but rather leaderless allied groups. From 2002 that perception changes.  

On the following page.....


First count in the indictment. Count 1 charges that from 1989 to 2014, Mr. Guzmán engaged in a continuing criminal enterprise and that he “occupied supervisory and management positions,” and was “one of several principal administrators, organizers and leaders of the continuing criminal enterprise.” Doc. No. 14 at 5; see also 21 U.S.C. § 848(b).

That the government can claim with a straight face that those specific items are not favorable or exculpatory strains credulity. For example:

Item 4 states
That the “government has information from 1999, that there was no particular leader of the alliance among the defendant, Arturo Beltran Leyva, Guero Palma and el Azul.

Item 5 states
That the “government has information from 2002 that the defendant was a lieutenant of Mayo’s

Item 9 states
that the “government has information from 2007 that Mayo was the ‘king’ of trafficking in Mexico, and was stronger than the defendant

Item 10 states 
that the “government has information from 2007 that the defendant was an “enforcer” for the Sinaloa Cartel, El Azul was the “brains,” and Mayo was the leader of the Sinaloa Cartel

Item 11 states 
that the “government has information from 2007 that the defendant and Alfredo Beltran Leyva (“Mochomo”) worked under Mayo

Item 12 states
That the “government has information from 2008 that the defendant did not take any action without the approval of El Azul and Mayo

Item 19 states
That the “government has information from 2009 that one or more individuals believed ‘Mayo’ was the leader of ‘all of the mafia in Mexico,’ and not the defendant as most people believed

Item 21 states that
The “government has information from 2010 that Mayo was the head of the Sinaloa Cartel and conflicting information that the defendant had ascended to the head of the Cartel.”

Item 23 states
That the “government has information from 2011 that Mayo was higher ranking than the defendant, that Mayo told the defendant what to do and that Mayo was satisfied the public perception is that the defendant is the head of the Sinaloa Cartel, because it allowed Mayo to keep a lower profile because law enforcement’s focus was on the defendant.”

125 comments:

  1. Wheather he was the leader or not, there is overwhelming evidence on his part, of the crimes he committed. One of the many charges, is drug trafficking to USA.

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    1. Not necessarily, it is an legal issue, prosecutors getting caught charging a defendant while having exculpatory evidence, is a problem. The jury can assume there is game playing by the government, and can question all other evidence.

      But my take away is not about that, it is about the revelation.

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    2. It all depends upon whether the allegedly exculpatory evidence is actually exculpatory.

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    3. No real revelation here. How many times has it been stated on this website that Mayo was really the one in charge? The facts speak for themselves; 50-something years in the narco business and not one arrest—now that’s a boss.

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    4. I thought it was common knowledge for those that follow Borderland Beat that El Chapo was a figurehead of the CDS?

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    5. 12:40 It is funny to think that Chapo was the leader of the federacion that has been strong since Gallardo went to prison. Ismael with Juan Joe Moreno have controlled land, air, and sea routes through and around Mexico and sold the protection and product that many big traficantes use. This is why los Arrellanos wanted to kill el Guero Palma and Chapo and then Ramon tried to kill Ismael in Mazatlan. People can say what they want but the truth is Ismael is the longest narco traficante in modern Mexican history. But in the end he is just a middle fish in the food chain who works for others and pays piso too.

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    6. Bull to 11:56, the State can charge a ham sandwich with murder even if they have exculpatory evidence that the turkey on rye did the killing. What is illegal is to not turn the turkey on rye evidence over to the defense.

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    7. It’s funny how y’all forgetting who the big fishes are. US of A, CIA, DEA, ATF, Customs, BP, Mexican Gov, etc so on and so on, then the small fish in the pond.

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    8. None of you know how to properly read let alone think logically. Sorry, but that is the truth.

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    9. The prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt. Lawyers are paid to raise doubt, not prove innocence. When the prosecution is not forthcoming with exculpatory evidence, the credibility of evidence can then be scrutinized, thus possibly causing doubt. There may be something that is in there that can be proved true by the defense. Once again, leaving possibility of doubt. Why is the DA even looking down this path, let alone seemingly headed full speed through? Foolish. JMO

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    10. Chapo's own stupid lawyers last week admitted Chapo was a mid level person in the Cartel, even though he pleaded not guilty.

      Chapo better fire that lawyer, else he is doomed to a guilty verdict, since the lawyer just admitted guilt, pendeho.

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  2. “Redacted” a key word to remember whenever you’re dealing with the government. -Sol Prendido

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  3. Mencho was his leader the whole time! The story unfolds... To be continued

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    1. Jajajajaja...Mencho was the errand boy for Nacho....Mayo, and Chapo's lieutenant. He rose like a rocket for sure, but he seems to be coming down from orbit.....burning all the way down. He won't go to jail. He will be killed. He won't stay in line. I give it to him, he has balls, and has been lucky to have his wife's family money and connects. That's the main reason for his success and meteoric rise. Bad for him is the fact, they are going after all of the Cuinis. That will end the current CJNG. Mencho is the modern Chapo. Eerily similar.

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    2. 3:32 Big Red excellent points you say, especially big reason to Mencho success. But if he can survive until EPN leaves office Menchos big problems from gob should slowly go away and then be superficial so the light remains off of the real business

      Here we believe that unless AMLO is asesinado before he is Presidente the Slim Helú family will grow richer than he has already become through his association with narcotrafficking.

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    3. @CDM...definitely possible. Gonna be interesting. Let's just hope the citizens can survive. Uneasy time in Mexico for sure.

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  4. They can still get him on count one, as the indictment clearly doesn’t say that Chapo alone was the leader. That’s why the term “one of several” is so important. Chapo can still be rightfully convicted on count one even if he was Mayo’s enforcer—that would still qualify Chapo as having occupied a “supervisory and management position”; i.e., Chapo controlled numerous lower-ranking members of the organization. Furthermore, if only Mayo and Azul outranked Chapo in the organization, that would certainly seem to satisfy the charge that Chapo was a “principal administrator” of the cartel. Put it this way, Chapo was the COO, Azul the CFO, and Mayo the CEO. You can’t say that just because Chapo wasn’t CEO, the government’s whole case is blown; he was charged with being a high-level leader (“principal administrator”) of CDS, and I see nothing exculpatory in evidence showing that Chapo was just that.
    Also as a side note, everyone on B.B. who has decried Chapo’s treatment should have been out there protesting when the government pulled the same tricks in the post-9/11 terrorism trials. The trial of KSM pushed the envelope on irregular and immoral trial practices, and now we see the results.
    -3L

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    1. You may be correct, but as Chivis said, if they Gov is found to be less than forthcoming about exculpatory evidence, that can throw shade on all evidence. They had a slam dunk. Why travel, or make an offensive foul???? Throw that on top of all witnesses being convicted felons, murderers, and or enemies of Chapo, and the Gov's credibility goes down the toilet. He will never walk, but may end up in a better than SuperMax. JMO

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    2. Also terrorism is a whole different ball game. Terrorism is a National and world imminent security issue. Not trafficking dope to willing and motivated customers.

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    3. Grande, maybe they are doing that James Harden Euro Step.

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    4. The illicit drug phenomenon is a threat to national security.

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    5. 8:34 You have a myopic knowledge of your country. For relevance sake to being myopic, maybe start with what (or who) grew the USA piedra addiction in 1980s and 19900s and only 10 years later how the chiva and heroina problem that is now killing mainly white people in the USA started.

      Even the illiterate orphans en la sierra down to Culiacan, Durango, and Mazatlan know your Congress and then your FDA led the process for thousands of guero children to become addicts of heroina.

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    6. @4:16...Maybe. But, it makes no sense to put Our legal system on trial, when you already have enough to win easily. The last thing the US needs is another blow to it's perceived integrity.

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    7. 12:30 KSM is not Mexican and nothing to any of us.
      But he has been exploited by the real enemies of the US, the chicken hawk war profiteers, fortunately he can sue the US government and say whatever he needs to say to defend himself, a perk of not being hidden in Guantanamo.

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    8. @2:30 maybe that’s exactly what needs to happen....nothing is as it seems and it’s all about the $ period. Our government has a lot more blood on its hands than chapo sorry to say.

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    9. Only dopes use dope - Sgt. Stadenko.

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    10. 9:12 DurangoMazatkan - That’s f’n impactful what you just correctly described. I didn’t know piedra was crack but your right. People speak negative about the Venezuela Military cartel but we (US) had same thing with Oliver North flying C130s and providing cover for cocaine flights.

      Then in a more grotesque manipulation of laws designed to protect our citizens the Sackler family and other fentanyl and opiod drug makers got previously never before prescribed medications approved for broken bones that were given to kids. I just used Ibuprofin when I broke my leg and dislocated shoulders fortunately!
      Drugs that before they lobbied (lobbied means bribed) congress and FDA to prescribe previously used drugs for the the dying and on hospice, to be used on kids with common injuries we’ve all had in sports like broken bones.

      I know because my big brother who tore his ACL playing cornerback for U Penn was prescribed Oxycodone by his doctor in 2005 and now he’s a hype living on the streets of Kensington because he’s an assistant and heroin is now both far cheaper and far, far easier to buy.
      I enlisted in the Marines in 2004 because I wasn’t smart like my brother for college and I served with the 3rd Battalion, 5th Regiment in Afghanistan for 7 years. No PTST, no regrets in war, only regret is that I’m an American because I fuckin hate everyone from Obama, Congress, the lobbiest, and the biggest drug cartel in America (FDA) for what they did to my big brother. I fuckin think their scum sucking shit with less patriosm, integrity and love for country than ANYONE I ever served with!

      The crack and heroin epedimic was MADE BY THE USA

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    11. 9:53. You pretty much described the reason for supply $$$ and the reason for demand (our own gov). Why is the US giving Mexico a hard time;their just working their ass off to get Americans their dope that the US teased and then got their citizens addicted to.

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  5. Muy Increíble! I am sure you checked out if you could be in legal trouble for posting this?

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  6. I have always thought that el mayo zambada was the most powerful and respected. But i dont think chapo was basically the ramon arrellano of the sinaloa cartel. El chapo came up because of his talent to move coke quickly into the usa. It was el chapo who ordered the death of el niño de oro amado carrillos little brother. A death that declared war between the juarez and sinaloa cartel. La barbie has declared he was at a meeting where chapo order it. So chapo was more than an enforcer. Now it seems like chapo is saying i took orders from mayo. Blaming el mayo. What a piece of shit.

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    1. chapo said nothing and wants no deal.

      this is the governments information from years of investigation, this is the United States government saying they have this information. from various sources. I would think investigative material, cooperative witnesses and the like.

      this is not from the defense, the defense is pissed they were not given the evidence.

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    2. Chapo had to get the ok to start a war from Don Mayo! Leaders start wars not Sergeants and lieutenants. Greedy bastards, there was enough pie to keep the peace. Now they have opened Pandora's box, and there's no going back.

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    3. Chivis who is this Adrian Gomez Gonzalez. I heard he was a leader along with Hector Palma, El Azul and Mayo

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    4. Exactly....he may have thrown some competitors, or his own bad apples under the bus, but he hasn't, and won't say anything now. That would be an instant death sentence for anyone he ever smiled at. Chapo is allot of things, stupid isn't one.

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    5. He has no choice and cant talk, otherwise los chapitos and family will have flight like the damasos

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    6. Chivas. I am sure they had all this information without Chapo talking. If he talked I am sure every trace of his family line including wife and children would end up dead or missing. I am sure he knows that. They had the information to convict him before arresting him. For some people here to think he will not go down is ironic. I am sure this was investigated very well and over a long period of time. They would not have spent that money and time if they did not know they had him "dead to rights".

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  7. El Mayo better start digging a deeper bunker

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    1. Mayo has relationships with key American traffickers. His bunkers are deep enough and his pockets are much much deeper. He’s protected by Govt officials on both sides imo.

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    2. I dunno....they could get him if they want to. He's probably eating Mariscos, and sipping cerveza right now at AMLO's. He runs deep.

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  8. people please...READ the posts not just the headline. chapo has given no information to the feds. this is GOVERNMENT evidence not from the defense

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    1. Chivis, Why would the US gov do this?

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    2. What!? Read! U gotta b jokin. I mean there r pix n vids aint that enuff?

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    3. why would they sit on the evidence? I don't know. they have an incredibly strong case even if they did not peruse the charge of being 'king'. although it would effect other charges, there is enough remaining to put him away for life. why risk tampering on the rights of a defendant?

      It does explain why chapo did not want a deal, because then he would have to talk. and perhaps that could be dangerous to those he loves.

      For years readers have stated Mayo not Chapo is the real leader and chapo was a figurehead. I allowed it to go in one ear and out the other, but this is the government's evidence not from chapo or his defense. so at least have to entertain the thought of it.

      I think the government wants to bag a few "narco monster" cases because the public is tired of throwing away tax money on a so called drug war that was lost decades ago.

      By showcasing these legal pursuits, as they did with Mochomo, making him into the thor of narcos, they are attempting to present evidence tax dollars well spent. and most of Americans are ignorant to all things in the drug war, both sides the border. their education is a 30 second soundbite or nonfactual reports from so called experts.

      I have never bought into "catch the capo" concept. it does nothing in the long run and makes things worse in the short term. the exception would be a capture of mencho. he is a different animal.

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    4. Just curious why you say that mencho is different.

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    5. Chivis.. i take that your ignorance is only due to not having lived ever anywhere near Northwest Mexico.. everyone from Tijuana to Chihuahua down to Durango Sinaloa and Sonora have known that after Amado "passed", the undisputed godfather of the underworld has been El Mayo and Chapo has always been just another underling of El Mayo... why you let these comments go in one ear and out the other is beyond me.. The Facts speak for themselves.. 50yrs in the drug scene and not once has he stepped foot in ANY prison!

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    6. Thank You Chivis...you should teach integrity classes. Some say you are his fan. I like you, just can't watch this blatant disregard for due process, fair trial, and insurance of basic human rights to someone never convicted in our country yet. After conviction, I wish Capital Punishment was in play here. But you must convict him 1st!

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    7. Mencho has no boundaries. He seems to be a true sociopath. No regard for life....except his own. I think he's like a way smarter Z40. And he married into an extremely rich and powerful cartel family. A Perfect Storm. Like steel....heat it up too much, and it either melts, or gets so hard it shatters like glass. If ever there was a guy who should take his money and disappear, it's him. But, he won't. His Machismo will be his downfall.

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    8. 3:51 you would be wrong on the first part. that is where we are from and family still resides. I am slow to believe something without evidence. Sonora, Sinaloa and Jalisco BTW. although my work and offices are on the gulf side.

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    9. grande...I am a fan of no narco. I am a fan of the U.S. constitution and our system of jurisprudence. I hate when it is being tampered with.

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    10. Mencho is a different animal in that he combines the viciousness and “fuck the government” attitude of Z3/Lazca with the drug and weapons connects of a Chapo- or Mayo-type figure. So no limits when it comes to the use of extreme violence or taking on government forces and no limits to the assets to fund that agressiveness.

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    11. Mencho is a low life drug dealer who would of been better off working under Sinaloa now he is widely known and has a target on his head he will go down soon. When your a drug dealer working quietly is your best chance of surviving. Mencho will spend the rest of his life in a US prison .doesnt seem like a different animal to me.

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    12. CDS fans only began saying Mayo Zambada was the leader of that cartel after Chapo was captured. During his free times and prison escape stints they all cheered for Chapo as the greatest leade of all time and with CDS. This is nonsense and shows a complete fake alliby that maybe even high ranking U.S. officials are under Chapos payroll or a conspiracy to impose CDS - ONE CARTEL RULE- in Mexico like I, jad stated MANY times before!!!

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    13. @Chivis...I'm right there with you. If we as a society need to protect our rights, the right to due process is very underrated. Without that, the rest don't really mean much. Thanks again for this coverage. I know I will get facts, and correct info.

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  9. No matter who is the boss he is still in deep shit.... maybe gov wants to go after mayo now...

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  10. so basically he is was the frontman but still the leader , but el mayo was the shadow leader?

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    1. He was the cds mascot😁😂

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    2. Like any multi million dollar business thers share holders right so Don Mayo has more shares so he has the last word when it has to do about CDS.SO Mayo, Chapo,azul,and so on are Bosses of ther people and territories.and chapo isnt CDS mascot he has earned his place in CDS he has fought a few wars with real mutha fu@%ks ,lost his son ,brother polo and bled for sinaloa la mascota es el mencho hasn't earnded nothing a lot of things work to his favor like nacho killed ,people getting locked up and so on The Valencia are the real bosses.Mencho just a regular killer nothing special ok he likes burning cars and busses and yelled at some guys wow .fuck him I seen him at ritmo Latino on la mission in sf stealing a grupo brindis tape all dirty nappy ass hair

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    3. This doesn't mean he isn't the top leader, this is just information government gets from informants who were caught and there's no telling what they said or how much truth there is. Chapo is not and enforcer, the man is if not the strongest boss in Mexico there are only a few more on his level. They are probably saying he wasn't the top boss in order to hide the deal they made with the drug cartels. If they say he's not the top boss, then they the agreement with the cartels and DEA and or CIA doesn't have to come to light in the public because they can hold to the fact that the deal was made with the top boss. Chapo on trial hide that fact and the public doesn't have to know that government allowed cartels to operate. He may or may not be the top boss, but he's long way from taking orders from Mayo or el Azul. They share power and strategy and also advise from each other. As far as Pablo and Ochoas are concerned, Pablo was the top boss and just because you don't go to jail doesn't mean you top guy, man Pablos problem was he challenged the state and the order and so governments move to find people who are more willing to go along with the order so things run what they consider smooth, then you have people like Pablo who says fuck the order its going to be done my way. So just because he was killed doesn't mean he wasnt top boss it just means he went against the order and higher ups thought he should be removed because of his thinking.

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  11. Haters are gonna hate!
    And Chapo is gonna walk !

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  12. Chivis, what do you make of the “Hunting El Chapo” agent that stated that each trafficker had there own case agent: Chapo, MZ, and RCQ. That the dea is working these cases independently of each other and that the MZ agents were inept and uninformed? LOL I don’t think I’ve heard Chivis speak on the book.

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    1. Read the book and was set for an interview. I elected not to. I will leave it at that

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  13. This is old news if you have read BB long enough. Some of these comments come from people that are really in the sh1ts. I still wonder if Azul died in the accident.

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    1. Azul is alive.

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    2. Yeah it wouldn't surprise me if he, and Amado are still alive. Especially Amado though, death during plastic surgery. Give me a break.

      Phelpso

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  14. No wonder El Peinado only took orders from El Mayo.

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    1. Your that random person always commenting about el peinado even though the article has nothing to do with el peinado and BB has never even wrote an article mentioning el peinado, who is that anyway??

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    2. @8:01, you’ve never heard of El Peinado. Watch the Chapo series my friend.

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  15. Chapo never snitched

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    1. El chapo offered to talk to dea when he first got arrested in the 90s and the dea refused. But he offered. Its on the history channel for anyone to see.

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    2. Said no one ever

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    3. There are published reports that he had snitched, he always snitches.

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    4. jajajajajaja

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  16. Why is BB posting this hearsay? This is hilarious to say the least. There is mountains of evidence that goes back decades showing how Chapo was a top leader in the federation co leading with Mayo. Chapo was a crazy bastard but why is BB trying to discredit his leadership role in the Pacific Federation? An enforcer?? Really....? Cmon BB..

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    1. I'll take on this one chivis...
      hey, learn to read, BB is not saying this, chapo did not say this, defense did not say this.

      the united states government is providing this evidence gathered over many years.

      got it?

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    2. I bet he did not :)
      Its similar to Escobar and The Ochoa as puppet master.
      Got it now?

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    3. 7:03 its hearsay got it? The govt isnt saying anything except what some low level narco told them after being arrested. They are just trying to decieve the DEA and say he wasnt boss.

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  17. Knowing how proud Mexican people are and how much respect is valued and appreciated I think this is another sneaky attempt by the prosecution to entice El Chapo into saying something, responding to these assertions to refute their claims and prove he was, in fact, the leader. By saying he was not the leader they hope he will say something to prove he was and in the process implicate himself further.

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    1. Exactly...he still has family and obviously sons running the Enterprise in his absence. The govt is trying to scare Mayo, RCQ, Azul (and yes, still alive). They want another internal war, fracture. The only way to stop that is for Chapo to admit he was the supreme leader (which he was with Mayo) in order to implicate himself. You all have no idea, lol thinking he was taking orders. They discuss every move made amongst inner circle. Like a corporation with shareholders. Chapo/mayo joint ceo and final say.

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  18. Chapo would do job under mayos approval?
    Who killed Vicente carrilo fuente brother?
    Who declared all out war on CDG-Z after Osiel got arrested in 2003?
    Who order barbie and beltranes to invade Nuevo Laredo and move deep into CDG territories in 2003? even though they knew that Original Z was gaining strenght as hell after Osiels arrest
    Who betrayed El Mochomo?

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  19. I wonder if chapo was never the absolute leader but Mayo was: Why then did absolute chaos started after Chapo's fall? If Mayo was the most powerful one, would he have kept control without Chapo? It's not logical to believe that Mayo was Chapo's boss, i still believe that they were partners, at the same level. US government is very sneaky, they do not bring this news out without a reason. What the reason is, i don't know.

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    1. Sinaloa is still the main supplier of ALL drugs here and in Europe ... please elaborate on the “chaos” you talk about

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    2. @9:32 the chaos he refers to is the violence in Culiacan i.e chapos home turf. That's easily explained if this info is correct Chapo was in charge of enforcers for Mayo so his capture would cause some chaos. It seems it's under control now for the most part. When the cat is away the mice will play

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    3. Chapo was not working for Mayo but with him.
      What next in Chapos defense; Chapo is just an innocent farmer again???

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  20. I’ve been saying exactly this for many years. If I had to bet who’s really the richest and most powerful criminal in the world I’d go with the guy who’s been in the biz 50yrs and never been arrested....

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    1. 50yrs is an exageration. More like 30.

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    2. Actually 6:59 mayo started trafficking in his early 20's he's around late 60's now early 70's so it makes sense maybe not exact but close enough

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    3. Closer to 50 than 30...he started in the early 70's as a worker.

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  21. El Chapo has a lot of incriminating evidence on him, for those that want him set free, I am sorry to tell you, but he ain't getting out, he won't be able to bribe the courts of U S A, and leave Chivis alone, the truth is reported.

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    1. :) thank you! Chapo will and should get life IMO. but he should also get a fair trial. and what I have seen from the gov is anything but fairness. What can happen is if they are in violation of something, that could go towards a more favorable incarceration facility for chapo or something like that, but not getting off.

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  22. I saw the Netflix series "El Chapo" and it proves the he is the leader of CDS.
    Atentamente El Pienado

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  23. People are trolling. or they can't read English. the article is clear and you are clear, as to where the information is coming from. don't even post those comments is my advice

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    1. Yes there's people in here, that want to defamed the reporter/writer ,BB does not report fake news, glad we live in a free country, happy 4th of July.

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    2. we do research and find supporting facts. We have a number of great sources we can call on. But if this is fake news then it is the doing of the U.S. government's research. That said there is no context, I think there soon will be and I will keep you posted.

      I am surprised that some are not happy, as if this is a basketball finals and their team lost.

      IMO...at first I thought it was info from cooperating witnesses, and still may be to an extent. BUT if you look at the timeline the first entry from 1999 indicated that it was a leaderless federation, as authors have said in the past and the public was led to believe. but from that point on, it was all about Mayo. and the last entry is very interesting.

      If cooperating witnesses was the source [ or taken from context] i doubt the 1999 would be there. this looks more like information taken from multiple sources of the years. my family has always told me [culiacan, los mochis, sinaloa] chapo was not top boss. They also said chapo was in mochis right before he was found there. I thought that was ridiculous. mochis? no way. but yet it was.

      to be clear, he was still a leader, but if this info is correct he still answered to the premier capo.

      and that messes with what he is charged with by the U.S. government. someone said the gov is intentionally putting out lies. I disagree that is totally illogical. putting out lies to hurt there charge against chapo? no. and they sat on this info although having it for years. and still does not provide the defense with the entire info or context. this is all so interesting to me.

      Happy Fourth to you also. Even with all our faults we remain the very best nation on the planet. I am very proud of being an American and equally proud of being Mexican!

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    3. Well at least Chapo, who is in New York will get to hear, the fireworks as the 4th of July is celebrated, who knows if he will get a cake in Red, White and Blue.
      Chivis keep up the good work, ask for a raise.

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    4. Does it even matter? I know people who arnt leaders and do 15-20 yrs!

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    5. Chiva I hope you had a lot of fireworks,
      Even if I was not with you.

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  24. The USA gov't has a long history of making regular run of the mill drug dealers into very special kingpins. Research the case of David R Chandler, aka Ronnie Chandler a small town, (piedmont, alabama usa) pot grower who back in 1990 became one of the first persons to be sentenced to death under the new kingpin drug laws. Murder, Marijuana and Money the three M's was what they called it. Yes there was murder in this case but not by Mr Chandler. A person killed his brother in law for beating his sister. It was that simple but when the gov't got done with making deals a new story was told. He had been killed because he was working undercover to bring down Mr Chandler's pot growing business. Mr Chandler being the kingpin he was order the hit so the gov't wanted us to believe. Even the fact that this had been the second attempt by this person to kill his brother in law we were now told to believe that the murder was all about protecting Chandler's money and marijuana business. Right before President Clinton left office he communed Chandlers death sentence to life without parole. David R Chandler will never get out of jail alive and he was nothing but a pot grower/dealer who had it not been for the gov't making him into a kingpin would have been out after no more than 10 to 15 years. You can't trust the USA gov't that's a known fact.

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    1. Whommm said the blind man from Michoacan ...who would you trust more..
      Mexico or USA???

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  25. Mayo and El Azul did the same thing Fabio Ochoa Restrepo did with Escobar; good move.

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  26. Sinaloa Federation reports or reported to CIA and DEA handlers... Vicente Zambada said it years ago. He forgot that his buddies would not testify on his behalf should he be caught slippin.

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    1. 6:54 CIA, they would not testify in court in Vicente Zambada's trial, he got short sentence instead.
      Same will go for El Chapo and La Mochoma.
      And Osiel and El Benja, Juan Garcia Abrego may be free.

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    2. at 1:09 and 6:54...there were no trials. They either cut a deal and in The case of mochomo he plead guilt but not deal

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    3. They plead guilty, how stoopid.

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    4. There was no trial, but in VZ case he was asking them to come forward on his behalf.

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    5. Mochomo got life he didn't get a deal or reduced sentence

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    6. Mochomo refused any deal that would have him give up anyone in exchange.

      His case was a travesty, a mockery. The gov made him into the Thor of Narcos, even called him a narco monster. which those who follow narco history know he was not. He was correct when he pleaded guilty but said to the court, "but I was not a leader".

      The gov just wanted a notch in their belt of drug convictions. Making him into a narco monster meant a bigger notch. and the public is so ignorant they just suck up the sound bite. he did not deserve to get off scot free, but surely he did not deserve to leave prison in a pine box. He was never even named in the BLO indictments. he only became this "monster" after the feds couldn't get Arturo.

      mochomo was mid 30s when he was arrested, U.S government documents say it was because Chapo handed him to the authorities in exchange for his sons freedom from altiplano.

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    7. chivis show us . the usa paper about chapo exchang ,mochomo x su hijo

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    8. i remember it was in a court document that was in a post

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    9. They made it look like chapo's son for La Mochoma to make it a dog fight, it worked, specially when the bad news got fed to FEDA's Big boss, El Pinchi Barbas ate it all hook line and sinker to seal the deal on his ass.
      La Mochoma also got tried in accusations for arturo Beltrami. Leyva's alleged crimes, his lawyer must have sold out.
      --El Vince and co, pled guilty to diminished charges OFFERED by a government trying to save face by killing the story about the US government "supposedly rogue agents" working for some righteous War on Drug warriors turned on by drug profits.

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  27. Does MZ control the Laredo crossing or is that solely CDN and they rent it out.

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  28. Thanks for posting Chivis
    It has been said several times, CDS was a ‘Federation’ of leaders, to say Chapo was ‘the leader’ has been disputed with Mayo and Azul’s influence.
    Like any ‘clique’ , some member tend to be more powerful and influential than others...where maybe Mayo/Azul could override Chapo if necessary.

    There is also some insight into the Chapo/Mayo relationship found in the Flores Twins case and wiretaps
    Where it seemed Mayo and Chapo did independent deals with the twins but refereed to each other respectfully.

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  29. Yeah the twins said Chapo always had better quality product and cheaper prices than Mayo. Now if Chapo had cheaper prices and better product, that kinda tells who had more power. How does an underling have better prices and product than the boss

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  30. Not surprised. In the Sean Penn video Chapo appeared to be mentally retarded. Looks like the real movers put him up at the frontman and used him for a fool.

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  31. Everyone is worried about paperwork and evidence but the fact remains the same. Once the U.S. has you its game over, you will never defeat the U.S. (most powerful nation on earth) el chapo even if he were to escape would be killed by the CIA like Osama bin laden. The thing that people forget is that the CIA can make many mistakes and still win a criminal like el chapo can not afford to make but only one and once caught its game over.

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    1. 5 to 10 years, La Chapa is going home.

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    2. 15-20 yrs he might die in prison.

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  32. No need this morning damaso Lopez was extradited to the good ol USA saying because he is the star witness and testifying against El Chapo

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    1. Damaso not believeable by jury, since he was a bad cop. Next witness ?

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  33. This article is ridiculous. Many of the group leaders have clearly said that they were fighting Chapo Guzman on interviews after they were arrested. The ones arrested are from Familia Michoacana Tijuana Cartel Zetas Beltranes Golfos Jalisco and others. They have YouTube videos. But whatever.

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  34. This reminds me of how the Genovese crime family hid the fact that Vincent ‘Chin’ Gigante was really running the family, but Fat Tony Salerno was made to look like the leader while ‘Chin’ was the real capo.

    They even had the government fooled for years.
    Until some mafiosi started spilling the beans like Sammy the Bull.

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  35. Proof not guilty to kingpin charge. Deal-maker criminal witnesses not credible per jury. What else do they have ? Government withheld docs until last minute so whatever guilty can be overturned. Chapo deported. Back to Mexico.

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