Wednesday, May 2, 2018

Defense slaps back at claims El Chapo tortured and murdered 6 Americans including DEA agent Kiki Camarena

Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat

Claims surfaced yesterday charging Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman with some stunning allegations,  that during the 80’s,  at his hand, El Chapo tortured DEA agent Kiki Camarena.  

The claims go on to say Chapo  killed four Americans who were Jehovah’s Witnesses, Benjamin Mascarenas, 29; his wife Pat Mascarenas, 27; Dennis Carlson, 32; and his wife Rose Carlson, 36  who were murdered during a missionary trip in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.

The claims were from 3 former Mexican policemen, of which at least one is in the witness protection program.  How they qualified for the program and on what basis is unknown to this reporter.  A former DEA agent Hector Berrellez,  issued similar claims four years ago.
Godoy, former Mexican cop demonstrates how he saw Chapo kill an American
The three former Mexican police told the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles they witnessed Guzman carry out the murderous acts between late 1984 and early 1985. Jorge Godoy, one of the former cops who is now under witness protection, says that “Guzman took pleasure in killing people.”

“He likes to cut the people,” Godoy says.  Noteworthy is that Chapo does not have a reputation for such acts.  Often narcos will get a reputation for direct involvement in killings, an example is Edgar Valdez Villarreal aka La Barbie.  Chapo does not have a reputation of direct involvement.

Godoy says the four American Jehovah’s Witnesses were murdered during a missionary trip in Guadalajara, Mexico when they knocked on the door of Ernesto Fonseca. Godoy says Chapo was involved in the torture, rape and killing of the Americans.  He further states Chapo personally shot each person and “watched them fall into an open grave.”
"These allegations are baseless and are being peddled to the government by corrupt former Mexican police officers seeking benefits from the United States government. These very same officers violated the public trust by working for drug cartels to make a buck at the same time they were entrusted with protecting the public."..... Eduardo Balarezo
Godoy goes on, saying two other Americans were killed by the “crazed drug lord”.   Americans, John Walker, 35, and Albert Radelat, 33, went to La Langosta restaurant to have dinner.

The story continues, that Rafael Caro Quintero mistook the two for DEA agents and ordered them killed in the restaurant.

Godoy says he  “witnessed” the killings.

He said Guzman sliced  Walker’s throat, then according to Godoy, Chapo  took  and buried the two victims in a nearby park.

Berrellez finished his story by saying Chapo tortured Kiki Camarena and his pilot.
Speaking about the murdered Americans, Berrellez says
"From what I understand,Chapo interrogated, tortured and shot them."
“Absolutely, he (Chapo) tortured both of them,” Berrellez said. “He was seen by two witnesses slap, kick and spit in Camarena’s face. He was involved in physically torturing Camarena.”

As far as I can determine;

The claims originated four years ago when a documentary was released at the South by Southwest festival in Austin Texas.  The documentary was titled “The Legend of Shorty”.

The film follows the life of El Chapo.  The film makers claim to have “spoken to the family of El Chapo, who none appeared in the film, to attain inside information.  This is an amazing accomplishment, since it is well known that not only family but Sinaloans are tight lipped about sharing any information against the capo.

The director claimed El Chapo came to meet with him and the director adds:

“He did not want to be filmed, he doesn’t handle himself well in front of cameras, he is   a peasant without eloquence,” said director Guillermo Galdos.

In 2014, a narco blog called “Mexico Rojo”, pulled the story from the film about Chapo torturing Kiki Camarena.  From that post a few outlets republished the story, including “La Prensa” [use this link for the La Prensastory] however the story fell flat.   And El Chapo was never charged with the crimes.   

Godoy nor the other Mexican police are without mention in the La Prensa article.

Godoy shared his story with prosecutors in Los Angeles, however it should be noted, to date, no charges against Chapo has been made in these crimes.

Mexico Rojo stated that Chapo was a part of a group of men who were charged with kidnapping Kiki Camarena in 1985.  Further stating it was “the right hand man of Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo”, who supposedly gave testimony that pointed to Chapo as being a hitman and his “involvement” in the case.   The name of this “right hand man” was never revealed.

The post on Mexico Rojo is no longer good.  The link is invalid.

The story surfaced again yesterday in both U.S. and Mexican news outlets, such as FOX News and Zeta Magazine, a very inopportune time for the case against Joaquín Guzmán or perhaps an opportune timing for the prosecution, as jury selection is on the horizon. 

Chapo has been court ordered off limits to the press.

Chapo’s lead attorney Eduardo Balarezo has issued a formal inquiry to the prosecution to give clarity to the new accusations and if charges will be filed. 

Perusing the comments on the Zeta Magazine article, the conclusion of readers is comical, they point out that soon Chapo will be accused of killing President Kennedy.

Another:
Ernesto Lopez: 
That's right, they say that next week they will accuse him of murdering Lincoln and shooting Reagan, juar juar juar .....
Balarezo distributed a press release yesterday, see below,  click on image to enlarge.


In this video both Mexican cop Godoy and former DEA Berrellez give testimony..



115 comments:

  1. All,
    Don’t you think people that are in the game and have committed the worst crimes overall from taking bribes to commit massive killings, feel confident that the day they want to give up and Cooperate with the feds its to easy just to go into a protection program? Because they can’t find another way out and are to scare that they’ll get killed that they prefer turn snitches?

    My point is such a program shouldn’t exist, there’s a lot of cats that enjoyed the wealth and hurt alot of people and when they’re done they became informants because they scared. is it fair that they don’t get punish for what they done in the past? And just because they will turn a guy or two they get a pass?
    People say that if your in the game you’ll end up in one of two places ‘prison or the grave’ I think there’s always been that 3rd option be a informant and live the rest of your life in peace

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    1. I’m An American and I think we need to put this to a stop this crazy how now the DEA is reaching and creating stories. How can someone be charged for something they did or didn’t do in another country. You know how many Mexican people are killed on this side of border. Never have I heard of another county charging an American for what they did in America. We kill people all the time from all over the world here. If I’m in Mexico and I kill an American I don’t get charged in The US. This shit is crazy. They really don’t have shit on El chapo except the stories of arrested traffickers. This whole thing is making out judicial system look like a joke. Our own Govt is single Handedly handedly making us look like liers and thieves and clowns. This is a disgrace. But now ppl see what own own government does to its own ppl everyday. It really is a sad thing that this is what we have become. Land of the lies home of Fraud. Is what we are.

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    2. How can someone be charged with something they did or didn't do I'm another country?

      Good question

      T hats why they are charging him with killing AMERICANS...Also the charge of killing the DEA agent could have happened on the moon..if you kill a American anywhere in the universe they will charge you here in the U.S once they catch you.

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  2. When was Chapo a body guard, in the inner circle of Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo, and the others.Politics is a dirty business.

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  3. the statements by the crooked mexican official are incorrect to put it nicely..by the time of the kiki killings chapo was in charge of logistics for miguel angel felix gallardo operation..chapo may have been a hit man early on in the late 70s but he moved up the ranks fast not because of killing but because of how quick he moved drug shipments..by the time of the kiki killing chapo had many men who killed for him..he was well above personally killing people..the fact is the US are just looking to pile more charges on chapo in order to ease the family suffering of the victim and to also get those cases solved and prosecuted.

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    1. If any truth were evident Chapo would have had his day apprehended much sooner. Especially when he was incarcerated before his first escape. Furthermore, when DEA were in his presence for a sit down.
      Looks like some washed up fabrication from some corrupt Mexican police official for some incentive by American government.

      Ridiculous and unprofessional behavior without merit whatsoever!

      E42

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    2. The US gov is gonna fack this all up! You got him dead to rights....Don't leave cracks for slimy slithery lawyer to ooze through.

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    3. Hector Berrellez was much smarter when he was younger,
      BUT the US government, the CIA, the DEA, kicked him, Cele Castillo, Phil Jordan and others to the curb for pushing for prosecution of the people they accused of ordering the kidnapoing, torture, interrogation and murder of Kiki Camarena and Alfredo Zavala Avelar, Miguel de la Madrid minister Carlos Salinas de gortari, Fernando gutierrez barrios, chiefs of Mexican judicial police, minister of the interior manuel bartlett, puro pinche pesado del gobierno mexicano, BUT THE TWO MAIN GUYS THAT ORDERED THE HIT ON CAMARENA that berrelez and Jordan have accused have NEVER been taken to any court or office for an investigation...FELIZ ISRAEL RODRIGUEZ MENDIGUTIA AND USMC HERO OF THE VIETNAM WAR LT COL OLIVER NORTH, or fawn hall for destroying evidence, it the Calera father and son and all the rogue agents involved on Iran/Contra or their weapons for hostages that fueled the iran-Iraq war that cost a half a million lives each so the rogue agents could make some money to launder and invest...
      The only mexican guy that died in an American prison for it in prison in Miami ruben zuno arce, father in law of former president Luis echeverria.
      Dr Humberto Alvarez Machain, released
      Honduran Juan Ramon Matta ballesteros, friend and partner of Rodriguez Mendigutia has been in prison on the US but probably in a halfway house, free as a bird.
      Nobody has named El Chapo until this report based on a spurious narconovela.
      Judicial federal police commander Guillermo Gonzalez Calderoni helped Berrellez clear the case was murdered years later in tejas, but the president of the US pardoned more than 100 Americans involved in all the dirty jobs, finding not credible the accusations against Rodriguez mendigutia and oliver north have never even been deposed.

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    4. Agree Grande!
      Surprised hearsay bullshit was even allowed by government. If government continues to behave in such manner? Expect grounds for mistrials and appeals!

      E42

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    5. Very dumb IMO...if they are so sure they have him, why even flirt with boundaries??? Lest all, further provoke him into something that will hurt and divide this country.

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    6. Nobody can provoke El Chapo, specially not now.
      But we are the dangerous ones because we are witnessing who stupid, and dumb and dumber.

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  4. I never understood how a jury could accept testimony about a criminal coming from another criminal.

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    1. Rat Crooks make good witnesses, they really know a lot of things, they brought down the New York biggest families with help of rudy giulianni who helped make the Red Mafiya the big local bitch ever since, and now that they own it rudy is a bemedaled Russian Lawyer...

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    2. Funny how the judiciary system works.
      Some of the many significant informants have influenced judgements / convictions on behalf of US government. Individuals who are just as guilty of involvement and criminal behavior but without full extent of prosecution. Moreover, with no forfeitures of any kind.
      Questions need to be asked?
      Do such agreements / arrangement with described characters convey true justice for the American people? Perfect examples; El Mayo’s son , Flores brothers and sure many more ect.
      Where a slap on the wrist is given / handed down to those who truly were the culprits of destruction in America’s society!

      E42

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    3. E42...that is a subject that fries my behind. too many sweet deals, getting in exchange hearsay from vile criminals.

      I believe the deal making should be the exception not the rule and that direct evidence should be as prominent from CW's as, what comes from their mouths.

      You mentioned the Flores twins, in that case they provided a ton of solid direct evidence, including audio tapes and accounting records. In that case it was pragmatic and wise to hold ones nose and make the deal. over 50 arrests evolved from their cooperation.

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    4. Chivis
      You are correct as to the significance of such testimony/ evidence from the Flores brothers. Unfortunately, few of such were acquaintances from legitimate business practices of course.
      But truth to the matter wrong is still wrong. And price to pay.

      Happy Thursday B.B.
      E42

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    5. Saludos E42....glad to see you back in form...

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    6. The Flores twins helped clean up Chicago for the new owners, like New Jersey and New York got cleaned in the 80s for the new coming Red Mafiya, with imprisoned capos kept isolated to keep them quiet...at least until they died...
      --Same program with the Mexican capos, because they are being replaced by greedier US businessmen, that's all.

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  5. Damn. Why not accuse him of killing Kennedy also? What the fuck is wrong with the DEA???
    Make the most hilarious and false claims against Chapo and this will cause the DEA to loose their case and possibly let him free!!!
    If that is the case then you know they are on Chapos payroll.

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  6. That guy is fudged! Poor guy, should have gone out like a bad a$$ he claimed to be in all his glorified songs!..

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    1. La Marina shot it out with 6 of his men and they died while he tried to escape. What more do you want, you watch too many Rambo movies kid. lmao

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    2. Right, but this dumb @$$ tried to go past fake corridos and 1 up everyone by bringing in sean and kate to make a movie! Jajajajaja to make a movie!!!... He said songs werent getting his fake point across!!!

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    3. Why would he do that when he has enough money for someone to try and break him out of whatever pos prison in the states just like mexico?? Con dinero baila el perro pendejo. If you really think no one will try and break him out eventually you in the same fantasy as the dildos who think american special forces are untouchable yet ghey get killed constantly

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    4. Sorry to burst your bubble but no one's breaking him out of a US prison lmao

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    5. This guy 5:08 must be from Mexico and has no idea how American prisons are run.

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    6. More like Fairytales of songs! Embellishments of glorious warriors who portray stupidity!

      E42

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    7. 4:19 El Chapo 1 up you when he brung up your mom, and 40 years in the business is a high bar for anyone, try to measure up when you talk about your elders.
      Y no andes ahi nomas de caliente

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    8. 11:08 40 years in the DRUG business is not an achievement to be proud of!

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    9. Idgaf how much money u have ,once uncle Sam has u it's game over

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  7. Guzman might escape the needle but he will never be a free man ever again.
    You don’t bribe and threaten your way out of an American SuperMax facility.
    Chapo is going to die our prisoner and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
    I just hope he dies soon.
    Mexicans already cost my government way too much to feed and house already.

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    1. 1:57-
      Poor you, your government doesn’t mind, You should talk to your government to stop extradition then. lol

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    2. Next week ooonn “El Chapo Di It”

      DEA blames El Chapo for Jimmy Hoffas disappearance and the killing of Biggie smalls

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    3. aww maybe next time tell your puritants forefathers to not start sh1t they very well know they can't win "aka war on drugs/alcohol". You know, the worst enemy of the USA is not China, Mexico, or the super evil communists liberals from outer space! is your debt that your useless FEDERAL government sucks.

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    4. 3:40 30 trillion dollars, most of it spent on rich Corporate Welfare Queen Contracts...

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    5. 1:57 I understand your concern about all the money it will cost to feed and house El Chapo, like 2 slices of bread and green boloña and a cup of coffee is too expensive, but beleeme, El Chapo Guzman has made more money for the US just by helping move "your country's drugs" home to you, now if the money gets stolen by dirty corporate welfare queens and dirty money laundering banksters, and you can't do shit about it,
      Then it is your shit problem, isn't it?

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    6. 3:40 please keep your comments coming,
      you hit it right on the piñata

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  8. Im telling y’all the way the us justice department is going about this case seems like they want to sabotage it and Chapo gets off on one of so many technicalities. Not even prisoners at gatmo got their basic rights violated like Chapo.

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    1. are you NUTS???? Are you sniffing glue????

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    2. 3:46 These accusations are right up there with dumb and dumber, nobody had ever made them before this criminal russophile regime's campaign was launched...

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    3. Bowe Bergdahl was released because some big mouths made it impossible for him to get a fair trial, and if it had been up to them, John McCain would still be in prison in the Hanoi Hilton because, people that got caught deserve less symlathy, ok? Beleeme, some chicken assed Hawk said that of US war prisoners and some war casualties, 5 deferments and being a bone spurs cadet qualify people to criticize others that served and ruin trials with their yacketty yack.

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  9. jeez this is embarrassing. so Chapo also did 9/11? i mean were are they getting their intel? from alex jones and breitbart?

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    1. Let's go way back and blame him for the African slave trace and the Holocaust too..Chapo seems to be everywhere.

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  10. "These allegations are baseless and are being peddled to the government by corrupt former Mexican police officers seeking benefits from the United States government. These very same officers violated the public trust by working for drug cartels to make a buck at the same time they were entrusted with protecting the public."


    Yet Sammy the Bull can be involved with numerous murders ordered and carried out by the Gambino Crime Family & have his testimony taken serious as if he was an ideal citizen.
    The judicial system is a joke on both sides of the border.

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    1. Funny thing is Chapo has ratted 100 X more than Sammy!

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    2. So has Osiel, Lazca, Mencho, Viceroy, Mochomo, Chino, Vicente, Tuta,...............they all rat....it's just business....codes are for the plebes...There's right, wrong, and $$$$$$.

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    3. Sammy "the Bull" was a really important witness, he helped bring down his Godfather when the new mafiya in town was about to get established, a more importan witness was cooperating, with Rudy Giulianni, Michael Franzese a million dollar making "good friend of us" made man member of the Colombos...
      Giulianni gave him a deal he could not refuse, kept his face out of the rigmarole and gave him 10 years in prison...
      --Franzese free, still thinks giulianni is a man of respect,
      --Giulianni is a made man in the Red Mafiya these days with award winning legal offices in Moscú (Law Firm), commended by Bladdermir Putin himself like Rex Tillerson the WH dog.

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  11. If they ignored the “no soliciting” sign, fuck em! Chapo saved the neighborhood from being disturbed!

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  12. I am sure someone will testify that Chapo ordered the Twin Peaks shootings as well. Some bikers were moving the wrong meth.

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    1. Sheraaap, Twin Peaks sound too exiting.

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  13. Haha this story is such BS. Chapo was not personally killing anyone by that time kiki was killed. Chapo was never known for brutality, yes he went to war in TJ and Juarez but both of those cartels were doing very shady things to him and his men. He did not blindly attack those cartels. People who think he just went into Juarez for no reason know nothing of what went down before hand.

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    1. There are many stories and actual recordings that will come out at his trial of his brutality and his willingness to issue mass orders of executions. He is personally known to have murdered ppl by his own hands. This story could be true - or not. Ripley’s.

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    2. Although I don't buy this story about him killing Kiki and these Americans, there is reports of him having the workers that made tunnels for him if true that's brutal if you ask me

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  14. Why is this a surprise to anyone he was in the game before this event actually took place. He was a errand boy for fonseca and RCQ at the time, then he became errand boy to Mayo. So add the charge to his file. He's going to die ADX with or without this extra charge anyway!

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    1. So why add it if it's not true..
      If it's true,ok!
      Give me a answer I can live with,lol

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    2. 11:11 te vas a chingar,
      pero te voy a mandar unas flores al pantion.

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  15. Chapo is a very religious man and Rather than use a knife or gun he would Figth you this a very known personality of him in sinaloa that's why he had is gun man to do the work for I'm

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  16. This site never ceases to amaze me . Comments after one story will say without doubt the dea and cia were present during Camarena's torcher . They just latch on to any rumor that claims it was American . Now there are witnesses that are willing to testify to alleged murderous behavior of the top cartel leader in mexico . Now all the cheerleaders are coming up with all the reason that its false . If its compelling testimony the jury will buy it if not they wont . Oh but I forgot these jurors are fools . Only you arm chair quarterbacks can differentiate truth from fiction . C'mon Chivis . Why do you think they would just ad this shit in out of the blue sky ? Hell thy probably have enough to execute him if it wouldn't for the extradition agreement without any of this. Ever wonder why Chapo was a up and coming member? That pissy little worm . I wish they would release video of him crying in his cell . I would like to bitch slap him . He is nothing without a gang .

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    1. 4:53 calmate wise one’
      this is the reason Chapo is in Solitary because your out there trying to slap him

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    2. Many have doubted Shorty....tell us, where are they???
      Dead. He was known to shoot pilots in the head in the cockpit if they were 10 min late. He was a killer. Then a boss, and for a long time he, Mayo, Azul, and later Damaso we're tops. Damaso can't wait to get in to US...but I think his rat kid beat him too the punch. They don't have to deal with him. He's toast. Common theme among enemies of that list dude.

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    3. @4:53. Whose to say CIA and DEA were not present during Camarenas murder? These agencies are composed of mercenaries specially CIA that work in utmost secrecy.

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    4. 4:53 it isn't about chapo and you are less than smart to think so. I researched the hell of this story, and put up information from both sides. I was fair. readers can judge. People educated in organised crime gets it.

      Why? you ask...jeeze it is spelled out, jury selection on the horizon.

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  17. Chapo is really that cop in disguise because whyyyyy CHAPO SNITCHED ON CHAPO

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  18. if there case is so strong why make up fake charges. this makes the gov case look weak

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  19. Only post a pro Defense lawyer or Chapo comment. Everyone knows. Chapo couldn’t have done any of this, he was too busy on mission trips for the church.

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  20. So if he didn't put in real work he was an informant that got too big for his bridges.making America great one less scum at a time!!!

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  21. Is a dangerous thing to be compadre del mayo, el chapo,arturo,amado,benjamin,and a few others pobrecitos

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  22. Whuts up with all these chapo nuthuggers like if chapo or any of these cartels did anything for you

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    1. 7:51 because it could be you, or us, being demonized tomorrow, we are speaking today about what is wrong with this government slop more proper for pigs than for decent persons they are trying to fool with.
      Remember yesterday's weapons of mass destruction?
      It was 15 years ago, and we are still paying 20 trillion dlars for it, about 10 000 Americans lost their lives forever, because we we deluded, misled, misinformed and misguided, by some people in government that only wanted to make one more war for profit while some became false witnesses knowing they were wrong, but their good buddies in government were given the "benifit" of the doubt one more too many just this time time...
      On the other hand, you can cook and eat all the Chapo you want, and throw in El Mochomo for the hairball, enjoy your crow.

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  23. Nobody but nobody gets it, so I'm going to tell you all once again.

    The deal was made and here's what it is: Mexico exports Chapo to the US who convicts him and puts him away, with his assets seized, no death penalty.

    There will be none of this amparo bullshit and no technicalities. They're not going to turn Chapo loose on the streets of New York, and he's not returning to Mexico.

    Unless he escapes, then quien sabe

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  24. Oh yeah, sure, that guy was not a corrupt cop. Anyone with any acumen whatsoever can see he has killer's eyes. He's full of shit, probably helped with torture session.

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    1. 9:32 some DEA collaborators were witnesses, but if they come up now with half cooked stormies that will never fly no matter how many buffalo wings you stick in them, then they are all full of shit...
      Why has the US government never prosecuted Felix ismael rodriguez mendigutia? He was in charge of the drug trafficking "to support the contras" and the training camps in mexico, El salvador, honduras, and the contras, and people have been accusing him of a lot of crimes since he was a drug trafficking helicopter pilot in vietnam, but his as is free as his windy farts, hector berrellez and Phil Jordan are still waiting for their summons, Rodriguez said he was getting his lawyer and Sue those imbeciles...
      but he lost his aguacates somewhere along the line

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    2. Yes, you are right. I can't imagine anyone is naive enough to actually think that the U.S. government isn't hypocritical or even criminal at times. However, it does what every other nation state does, it protects and secures it's interests. If that is at the cost of others, then so be it. Every country does this, it's just that the United States is very good at it, it has more money than most and at the end of the day, it has bigger guns than most...

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    3. 9:19 drug trafficking, cavorting with drug traffickers, and laundering the proceeds for personal uses, is NOT in the interest of the US or the American people...

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    4. True but getting into bed with scumbags in order keep the red menace from getting a foothold in Central America was, in the mission of the CIA, for the betterment of the country. This is called blowback, it is the unruly stepchild of the CIA that always rears it's head, lol. We did the same in regards to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan becoming Al Qaida. Maybe someday they will learn but I doubt it.

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  25. wow this is sad. i guess if I think it he did it. he worth more money in soical movement then in money. this happens with realness and this job isn't ment for the mentally illness. smh what a fucked show. there never a closerure in some case's this is one of them. mother nature will win because all this stuff is from earth

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  26. This all bs Viva El Chapo

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  27. 19:25 Yea me to . I hope he lives 50 more years

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  28. Lmao how many people are they gonna blame Kikis death on?

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  29. The documentary "The Legend of Shorty" is a PBS film. PBS is a notorious creator of absolute lies about damn near any subject they portray. Once I saw it was PBS, I stopped loading it. They are lying for the state...as usual.

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  30. I have no doubt Chapo has killed,but I have serious doubts about all these overblown accusations,you think propaganda has died?Think again,it is used all the time in one form of another..

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  31. In 1984, the Mexico Rojo blog wrote about Camarena being kidnapped in 1985? Dang, that blog must have been edited by Miss Cleo hehe

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    1. for reals....jajaja thanks for the heads up

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  32. Camarena was killed by Amado Carrillo Fuentes. IMO they are going to pin all these deaths on Chapos punk ass and ask for the death penalty. I know we have an extradite agreement with Mexico to leave the death penalty out but being that its 6 Americans, including 1 US Federal Agent, Trump will do what he wants and tell Mexico F You

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    1. 7:45 Amado Carrillo was a youngster learning the ropes in Ojinaga con tu apa, Pablo Acosta Villarrial. Los sores del Narco were Caro Quintero, don neto and El padrino, but their bosses were the CIA, DFS, PJF, Secretary of the Interior, and secretary of finances "always on the money" Carlos Salinas de gortari, all working for the CIA rogue agents trying to topple the Sandinistas Nicaraguans... the mission failed because they got caught doing one more dirty war and trafficking drugs and dealing hostages for weapons, but mainly because ALL THE MONEY THEY GOT FOR WEAPONS AND DRUGS AND PIRATED OIL, THEY STOLE IT.

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  33. @3:40 PM, MAGA, my dewd!

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  34. Obama would have pardoned El Chalupa

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    1. 10:44 coulda, woulda, shoulda, sucka...
      Callese mejor GÜEY.

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  35. All you fuckers that claim everyone here cheers Chapo because we do not believe this crap about him having anything to do with Camarenas murder are naive about Chapos history! You also believe cartels will someday work with terrorists shows how even more naive you guys are.
    Just keep reading BB instead and find out if anything said here becomes reality one day and or is proven correct before imediately jumping to "Americas" defense!

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  36. Chivis . It seems the snow storm when they arrested me in Acuna must have been before my arrest. In Del Rio . I traded cars afterward and the later car was impounded in Del Rio . Long time ago but they had camarenas picture posted in del rio . My actual point is , there is no way anybody can say what the truth is that don't have first hand knowledge . Maybe Chapo did it . Do you know the straight story details ? I know you take all this personal and get your feathers ruffled . Shit it is just a blog and the only persons opinion on here that is right is mine , those like mine or those that I change my opinion to . LOL
    ILYC

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    1. acuna/del rio has had rare snow storms over the years. The last was in 2011. One of my foundations kids had progeria, the rare condition, only 44 worldwide at the time, the condition causes rapid aging in children who usually die before 18. "Luci" lived in acuna. I took her twice a year to Boston Children's hospital for treatment for 2 weeks. she was on chemo in 2011 and was looking forward to Boston because it was projected to have several snowstorms while we were there, she was beside herself.

      A week prior to our trip she became ill from the flu and the doctors in Acuna did not pay attention to the instructions of the boston docs in case she was to become ill. she died. at the age of 12.

      It was my greatest heartache in working my foundation. I loved her so much. I kept thinking how she was so excited to see snow. and that she would never experience that wonder.

      We made arrangements for her funeral.

      and the day we buried her, it snowed in Acuna.

      that is how I remember.

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    2. 2:35 one thing is for sure, I read you are just one more comenter member of the pendejo lobby posting pendejadas here,
      But you got posted.
      I'd post you too if I could, on a big post.
      Att. Vlad the Impaler

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    3. 4:45 . I really thought they filtered idiot assholes like you out. Its ok to be dumb but malicious and dumb is a bad combination .

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    4. 4;45 You sound like one of these gangsters out of mexico , or a wanna be . Either way I take comfort in knowing your freedom will be short lived if your attitude is for real .

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  37. Chapo is a rapist. Anybody feeling bad for him because some old fat ex-cop said Chapo "might have killed" a few tourists needs to check themselves. Chapo's known for raping lil girls. He's a POS. Why all the anger towards Anabel Hernandez and any others chasing a buck? Fuck it, let them say he was born out of a pigs ass. Who cares!

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    1. 3:55 I love Anabel Hernandez, but she Fucks shit up once in a while, her bias shows, and never corrects herself.
      After a few fuck-ups have started to believe she is a PRI TOOL.

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  38. POS snitch cops will say anything for money

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  39. That's a heart-rending story, I am so sorry for your loss.
    God bless you for your good works.

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  40. Chivis . So sorry about Luci . I felt it also when I heard about her . About the time I feel like head butting you in the head I see this side of you .
    I guess either of my prior post didn't go through or you didn't like it much . Probably a couple of them offended you. What I am trying to say is we don't know . We weren't there . There have been many important things left out of documented history just because it was never documented .
    You seem to be saying the prosecution is trying to contaminate the jury prospects . I am really not sure that many common americans even know who Chapo is . In my youngers it was said by a person that met me for the first time "your reputation proceeds you" . A lot of that reputation I had wasn't accurate and then there was so much NOBODY knew .
    I get your position . Its like your saying if they falsify evidence with chapo where does it end ? I get it . Its just that I believe nobody that posting on this blog can show anykind of compelling evidence that chapo wasn't there . They say they have witnesses . Chapo can call witnesses .

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  41. Mexican cops have a stellar reputation of being full of integrity and honesty. What a great idea to put a Mexican cop on the stand as an eyewitness. I feel bad for what happened to all the Americans and their families. I hope Chapo gets convicted but boy this is a far reaching tale. I think they are better off getting him on the drug charges alone because this may be a loophole for his lawyers to exploit. Wasn't RFQ convicted of Camarena's torture and murder, now it's Chapo, it sounds the prosecution is inventing tales.

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  42. chapo no mato a camarena ni tampoco trabajo para felix gallardo. pero era amigoo de rafa caro. para ese entonces chapo era un peon apenas empezaba a sembrar y robaba carros. ahora van a salor que mato ala mama de bambi. JAGL.

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  43. Besides this article do we have further information linking the CIA/Dea with chapo in the camarena murder.

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  44. Well I heard Chapo was the Hillside strangler, killing old ladies and stealing thier jewelry, that was in de 80s,. Luna Apagtha

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  45. They say Chapo is the grim reaper.

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    1. The Grim Reaper, also called the Mad Hatter, Greg Scarpa of the Colombo Family is the owner of that alias.

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  46. Man, I love this website! Very interesting and thought provoking piece! Former DEA agent Hector Berrellez likely knows things we do not know about Kiki Murder since it is a tragedy near and dear to the DEA to this day and Agent Berrellez was a working agent at the time of the event. Like many intimate with the investigation, he knows details of the history of the Sinaloa Federation and the Kiki murder.

    Chapo, Mayo, the Arellanos and others who received territory after the geographical split of the Federation following the arrests of Gallardo-Felix, Ernesto Fonseca and Rafael Caro-Quintero were all from the Golden Triangle Area (Culiacan, Durango and Chihuahua) and workers for the Federation. It is not far-fetched to say they were involved in Kiki’s abduction, torture, murder and cover-up. When you worked for these drug lords, you served to impress them and rise up in the organization. You do what you are told.

    When indicted in a Kingpin Case such as RICO (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) and CCE (Continuing Criminal Enterprise), if you are part of the organization you are complicit in all of its criminal activities proven on both sides of the border. Its all for one, and one for all situation – a conspiracy. Many of our prosecutions of the Mexican Drug Lords are these types of cases. We submit a historical account of the criminal organization; identify its leadership and member as well as the criminal acts they conduct in furtherance of the organization on both sides of the border. There are some other requisites, but this is the basic idea. In the US’s Case against the Arellanos, we used the Murder of the Cardinal as one of our overt acts of the conspiracy and other criminal acts to include drug trafficking, kidnapping, extortion, corruption, money laundering and other crimes. The Murder of Kiki Camarena may be an overt act of the US’s Cases against Chapo. The sentences in these crimes may include the death penalty and/or a life sentence.

    When investigating the Kiki murder, the investigating and prosecuting teams interviewed many witnesses and suspects who provided information on this event. When investigating subsequent cases, we also asked the questions about Kiki’s murder. Sometimes it was offered to us by those seeking a break in their case or sentence, a free ride to the US, as revenge, to eliminate competition (Chapo’s favorite) or for money. These statements are memorialized into reports after corroborating as much as the information as possible. The information is indexed in an international intelligence system by these reporting investigators. They compare notes, exchange information and further corroborate the information. We often hear about other murders that are well-known but not on our radar such as the murders of Paco Stanley and Chelino Sanchez.

    As a narcotics agent, I understand Agent Barrellez. He was there and it deeply affected him as it did all of us who fight the never-ending drug war. If he says Chapo was involved, then he knows something most of us do not know.

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    1. Good piece of information, for those that are just making up fake news, like Chapo was robbing old ladies.

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  47. Hola Steve!

    There are two issues here, no make that three. 1. Hector Berrellez uses terms like "I understand such and such happened. very vague. 2. whereas you are correct all those you mentioned were working together under el padrino, they had specific "duties" and being a sicario was not chapo's, his was trafficking and transport.

    3. where is the arrest warrant? indictment? if there truly was evidence, should it take 40 years?

    Mexican police on the state and city level are in collusion with the prominent cartel. I would not take the word of any without direct evidence. Remember the gov has the torture tapes, they know who was the torturer.

    I feel Barrellez is taking the word of corrupt cops as gospel. for who knows what reason. could be honorable, or otherwise. I understand you as a former agent are loyal to your brothers, but sometimes that loyalty sadly is misplaced.

    I reached out to you, to get a sense of who Hector was, I did not get a reply, but did get a quick reply from two other agents, and it is not positive.

    I feel strongly the leak at this time was by the gov as they enter jury selection. But if one study's the final jury questionnaire the leak may backfire.

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  48. Hey Chivis! I do see your point, respect your opinions and am awed by your vast knowledge. I was offering another angle. Corruption of state and local police is prevalent in Mexico where drug traffickers operate and, the cartels have key players in every level of the military, police and the justice system to keep their operations running smoothly. As “Loco Duarte” stated to us when he was extradited in 2010: “In Mexico A Police Office who is not corrupt is not a Police Officer.”

    Regarding direct evidence, I do not know if “Chapo” was involved in Kiki’s tragedy. But sometimes, it is not until years later we are offered new details. In our experience, almost everyone extradited cooperates to get their sentence reduced and afford their family members some protection in the US. As they debrief, we learn of those they have killed, corrupted, abducted, extorted and tortured. We learn of their drug sources, organizational make-up, communications systems, enemies, allies and so much more. It could be very possible that some the witnesses against “Chapo” have provided more detail to Kiki’s tragedy.

    I do not know what Mr. Barrellez knows and my exposure to the Kiki Case is minimal. I do know that it is our duty to corroborate what we are told, as much as we can, before putting it to print and memorializing it. Leaking information to the press when your case and evidence is tight is absurd. It is normally done by officials who are frustrated because they feel the system failed them. It is very possible Mr. Barrellez feels this way.

    “Chapo” is responsible for thousands of deaths on both sides of the border and his initial duties may have been the transport of drugs, but he is a criminal with no respect for human lives and probably killed and dehumanized innocent and good people early in his career to secure his reputation.

    Chivis, this was an article that drew lots of questions, emotions and opinions that help us to understand the big picture. It is why I promote Borderland Beat to every single person I speak to when I present about Drug Cartels, Violence and Gangs. Thank you for putting it out there.

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  49. Steve.
    I respect the hell out of you. You are a true hero, a selfless person, always willing to help when possible and a pug loving guy who simply wants a better place for our kids and grandkids to live.

    And while I agree evidence appears later in cases, after three decades the gov would know.

    What you propose is "maybe this”, or “perhaps that”. And I accept those assertions, but in reality if one does the research, such as the 2015 Department of Justice memo and the indictment outlining chapos' charges, history and testimony from CWs, not once is anything said about these accusations being a possibility. And this Mex cop who is everywhere, he is a witness to Chapo’s every move. Mex cops, state and municipal, are corrupt self-serving liars. They would be dead if not. As your good friend Andrew Hogan says in “Hunting El Chapo” he found only the Marina as being trustworthy, and even they backstabbed him in the first raid on Duck Dynasty by giving Chapo a heads up. Right?

    So if the gov pushes charges out of the blue at this point, I find that incredibly suspect. And they may, because they keep on adding charges, even judge cogan asked if they needed to add maybe they aren’t sure of their case. He was being facetious I am sure, but they keep on adding, or try. Even to the point that chapo’s atty would have to testify if something was allowed in, thereby having to recuse himself. It's a messy case, it is strong on its merits, it doesn't need games that could backfire.
    As for his culpability in crimes, no argument there, as I said there enough direct evidence to put away 12 chapos away for life.

    This is not about my op being he is an innocent and being railroaded, he is a criminal and a bad one. What it is, I am seeing the judicial system being played and THAT is what pisses me off. It is a slippery slope. Yes, I think it is wrong and third-world like, to not allow a defendant private conference with their atty’s and other SAMS applied to chapo.. It is not about a defendant or chapo it is the integrity of the system. As Americans we must demand even the vilest of characters fairness and rights. That separates us from most of the world.

    His other charges should not be in this argument. This is very specific, did chapo kidnap, tortured and maybe killed Kiki.

    You are going to have to bring lots of solid direct evidence on that accusation, not the word of a probable corrupt Mexican cop who wants money.

    In the Justice Department memo [36 pages] it gives and overview of chapos life. Nowhere is it even suggested that he was a sicario. He was described as, from the beginning, a grower of drugs and trafficker. Or indictments.

    I don't doubt Barrellez had good intentions. But he knows better than to say such things as "What I am told, and what I understand, when accusing someone of this crime.

    You know more than 99 percent of persons about kiki's killing. Have you ever heard it was chapo that tortured, killed or kidnapped him in these past almost 40 years?

    My best…. …Chivis

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    1. @ Chivis and Steve D. Congratulations and thank you from the bottom of my heart for the great comments. This is what the BB comment section was intended to be; debate and civil discussion and exchange of ideas. I so wish we had more of that than a lot of the nonsensical comments we too often get.

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    2. Amen...and that isn't counting what we toss!!!

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    3. No exaggeration here-great insight-along with an impressive debate between two people who respect and admire each other. I agree with dd we need more of this.

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  50. This is possibly the lamest argument put forth by DEA, BB can you guys share Blood on the Corn parts 1,2 and 3 with the DEA agents. Those two Mexican cops are just piling on the crap to sweeten their already sweet deal.

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  51. it just came out , chapo give the order. too kill tupac over a couple of kilos ,andd el bravo was the 3ger man aittttt !!!:)

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