Tuesday, April 3, 2018

Mexico asks the U.S. to 'clarify' announcement regarding military use at the border

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat republished and translated from Excelsior

Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray stressed that Mexican migration policy is exercised in a sovereign manner and according to law, and not from external pressures or threats.


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he head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Luis Videgaray, clarified in his social networks that "the 'Viacrucis del Migrante' caravan was gradually dispersed by decision of its participants" and made it clear that "Mexican migration policy is not exercised from external threats. "
"Mexican migration policy is exercised in a sovereign manner and according to law, and not from external pressures or threats, "he wrote in his Twitter account.
This is how the Mexican foreign minister responded to the words of US President Donald Trump, who assured that the caravan with hundreds of Central American migrants was dissolved due to threats to cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). 

In another tweet, Videgaray Caso announced that the Mexican government requested the United States, through official channels, to "clarify @POTUS 'announcement about the use of the army on the border."

The government of Mexico will define a position based on this clarification, and always in defense of our sovereignty and national interest ", he published in said social network. 

Donald Trump said on Tuesday that Mexico dissolved the caravan with hundreds of Central American immigrants who were heading to their country this week.

He also boasted that the Mexican authorities acted because of their threats to cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

I just heard that the caravan that came from Honduras has been dissolved, and that Mexico did it, the tycoon told reporters during a luncheon with the leaders of the Baltic States in the White House.

They have done it because, frankly, I told them that they really had to do it. (I told them that) if we are going to have a relationship in NAFTA,  that we are going to have to include security in NAFTA," he added about the agreement that the US is attempting to renegotiate with Mexico and Canada.

 "If this reaches our border, our laws are so weak and so pathetic that it is as if we had no border, he said.

The president also said that he plans for the US armed forces to guard the border, until the wall he wants to build is built.

We cannot have people who illegally enter our country, who disappears and who, never appear in the immigration court[set two to three years later] that carries the deportation proceedings, "he said.

The US president has been concerned since Sunday with press reports that hundreds of Central American immigrants, mostly from Honduras, had embarked on a month-long trip to the United States in a caravan organized to be more protected.


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While the active-duty military is generally barred by law from carrying out domestic law enforcement functions, such as apprehending people at the border, previous presidents have deployed National Guard troops to act in support roles on the border with Mexico. President Barack Obama sent 1,200 in 2010 and President George W. Bush dispatched 6,000 in 2006, while governors of border states have done the same when faced with large inflows from the south.

80 comments:

  1. Well yeah if your going to blatantly help thousands of people illegally "caravaning" into the US the US is going to respond. Mexican politicians are so stupid and corrupt its a joke. Did this idiot think the US authorities were going to just sit there with thier thumbs up their butt while they tried to embarrass them with that caravan?

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    1. You obviously don’t understand how human smuggling works. Sympathizers exist on both sides of the border. As well as the smugglers(going rate is at 7 grand in Texas right now per head). And as long as money is being payed to cross it’ll continue to exist. Lets say hypothetically speaking that I get deported today. I can be back in less than a week. The turn around for returning into the U.S. is that fast. I’ve seen it happen in less than 3 days. I’ve also seen many people deported for various reasons. Sometimes the very same people get deported again and again and again. It’s never ending. The only thing that changes in every instance is the relocation. All immigrants relocate so as to avoid the same persecution under the same jurisdictions(remember what I once said about being persecuted and fleeing to another town,it really happens). Some actually go back to the very towns they were deported from. New identities come to life. And everyone moves forward. That’s the whole purpose of coming into the U.S. The forward moving part. The networks that exist to help along the way have been there for decades. They’re not gonna go away anytime soon. They exist in every major city for this very reason. So as far as the wall goes...don’t kid yourselves on that one. The spotlight may shine at the border. But it’s only gonna be temporary to appease the masses. Once that brouhaha dies out. It all goes back to normal. - Sol Prendido

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    2. @Sol Prendido: Well said. The illegal immigration border issues are all interrelated rubber gears that are driven by smoke and mirrors economics.

      We "smucks" are fooled by the media into just looking at the easy surface manifestations of problems.

      Oh my, if Mexico shuts it down, what are the many thousands of ordinary people who benefit from the people smuggling (and drugs) system going to do?

      The integrated people and drug smuggling system has morphed into a very important part of Mexico's economy.

      Mexicans now "need" the people and drugs smuggling system to keep food on the table and it's many other gears turning.
      Mexico-Watcher

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    3. @ sol
      I can see the logic as to why many come to the US. Lack of employment, staggering wages, safety concerns and the aspirations of a fruitful future.
      When Ronald Regan was in office, believe 7 countries had border walls. Today an estimated 65+ countries have erected walls on their borders. I truly believe this behavior is due to fear. History has proven that when there is a fluctuation of people’s entering ones countries, Fear of unstableness , uneasiness arise from many.
      These emotions have often reverted concerns / behavior of racial injustices.
      With global climate changes impacting the landscape and habitat of the world today. new opportunities are often sought elsewhere.

      However, I firmly believe laws need to be respected. This proper and correct approach for entering / legalization of people in any country must be respected.
      Furthermore, for the security concerns of a Nations well being.
      America has an epidemic that has shaken the foundations of what American values are. This in part to the high consumption of drug usage by Americans. We as a nation must do what’s necessary to combat a devastating loss of generations for ones future existence.
      Moreover, for what’s morally correct!

      Bottom line; America is my home despite ones imperfections. Truth is; anyone who has a home knows how fragile it can be to maintain.

      Peace!
      E42

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    4. Mexico respects laws from any country, much less their own laws. The right amount of money can buy anything or anybody in Mexico.

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  2. Bravo President Trump ! Finally somebody is looking into our safety.

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  3. US Military guard the borders, nonsense there is already lots of border patrol officers, watching the walls, and for people crossing. Its just Trump being a crybaby, because Congress will not do everything he wants. He sure likes to scare and call people names, an unfit president.

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    1. DACA was thrown out to the legislators in hopes of extorting billions and billions of dollars for the damn wall, luckily they chose to wait it out until after the 2018 midterms, the contractors will not get paid until they sue, and IF they win they have to settle for pennies on the dollar ordered by a court IF they sign non-disclosure agreements, the usual...probably use imported illegal immigrants to build the wall too, like the secret slave ghost help that works on the golf resorts and international hotels...
      Please, read David Cay Johnston books and reports on the subnect matter before posting any more crap about it, also the Posse Commitatus of 1800 something expressly forbids the miltary from carrying out civilian duties, but they could observe and report.
      By the way Luis video a ray case is one corrupt mother faker puppet of EPN and International gangsters, he is just trying to save face.

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  4. Well Chivis . Lets hear it . You broke the rule and veered away from the drug war . Really though this is of interest to me . Whats your thought on the evil non legit presidents words ? And , do you think Lopez will win ?
    Thanks for you input in advance .

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    1. Well..i thought twice about it, but border security is about the drug war also and listening to the press conference it was mentioned.

      I am going to agree with our legit non-evil president on this one. I have also always thought reserves or natl guard could be utilized at the border.

      I recall when Obama sent troops to the border, it was messy because of a lack of good coordination. bush sent troops also.

      Lopez has a strong chance but it is still a long way off.

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    2. For starters Luis video a ray IS NOT THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO, he is the secretary of relations with the exterior, after being minister of the internal revenue and public credit for his PRI party president, office then occupied by FORMER PAN MINISTER OF FECAL'S presidential Conte derived Jose an to io miados aka pepe to√Īo "the tortas King".
      --EPN said: "no wall, I won'the pay for NO WALL, read my lips trompazz, nnoo, wuuaaaalll!
      Reportedly the d just said: "sherap enrique, they lissenin', you make me feel baaad, i mean look baaad like tremendously,

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    3. However under failed leadership of Obama, the troops Trump is sending will stay until the wall is built. This is bad news for the drug traffickers. Even if one gun shot is fired at US troops from the Mexican side, the rules of engagment allow the US military to react.

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    4. The thing is, the military CAN be used to protect the border. They simply cannot be quartered in civilian homes to do so, nor can they be used as law enforcement. However, a large group of people heading to this country and making demands is a threat to the country, and can thus be treated as such; an attempted invasion force. The purpose of the Armed Forces is to protect the country, from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

      So long as they aren't used on areas that are private property the actions are completely Constitutional. Use the National Guard, Border Patrol, and local PDs to cover the rest. Yes it limits the areas they can operate, but still permissible.

      And frankly, if Mexico will not stop them before they get here then Mexico is openly assisting a foreign invasion.

      International law regarding refugees states that asylum seekers have the right to --request-- asylum, but countries are under no obligation to grant it (even by the Geneva Convention). They are also required to report themselves to authorities and fulfill all obligations pressed upon them for the granting of that status. Since we all know, from past experience, people tend to not show up at the required court proceedings the US has no reason to think this new group will be any different and it would be completely reasonable for us not to grant their request. Mexico, having allowed them passage and in many cases food and lodging, will have provided them with material support expected of a country having granting asylum to an individual by international norms. Thus they should be expected to treat them with the rights given someone granted refugee status and asylum.

      TL;DR So long as we don't let them in it's Mexico's problem, they let them in and helped them out.

      KB

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    5. Chivis . Just when I think I don't like you anymore , you start making sense . A couple things though . I didn't know Obama sent troops to the border or Bush . Rick Perry as the governor of Texas deployed national guard . They didn't have the "teeth" they needed because they were deployed at the state level instead of federal deployment . I have talked to many of those boys that were there nd there were security leaks ect. Had to come out of the border patrol . . That's a different subject . Back when Clinton was president he deployed the US marines . A marine shot a kid herding goats near the river . He claimed he had a weapon but there was never any evidence he did . Clinton pulled them off after that . That's the extent of my knowledge about military on the border unless you want to go Back to Coronal Patton and Black Jack Pershing . They basically invaded after Poncho Villa . I forget things but I don't think bush or Obama put troops on the border.

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    6. Agree with u chivis

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    7. Several governors deployed troops at one time or another.
      But yes, Bush and Obama both did. why not google it? and today it has been reported on all networks and cable news stations. I was there and present while this occurred during Obama, the troops were useless and seemingly unaware as to what to do.

      this time i trust they will have have orders as to what to do and be prepared with Mattis in the mix.

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  5. A risky and controversial topic B.B..
    Somewhat surprised.
    Triggering rebuttals from viewers from all angles.

    Iffy
    E42

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    1. Can be.
      I know your point of view / intentions mean well. It can open a pandoras box. With derogatory opinions and views many value may not fit with others.
      I do agree article pertains to security concerns at border. Which reflect immigration along with the drug smuggling.
      But because of the uncertainty with NAFTA and the end of DREAMERS negotiations. Got a feeling such frustrations will be lashed due to emotional issuers.

      Hopefully all is peaceful.

      E42

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    2. I know Chivis is not skeered of chiggers, bugaboos or bearbugs
      or of being spanked with a penca de nopal.
      Besides there were caravans all over Mexico because of Semana Santa when the Mexicans recreate the Viacrucis and the Crucifixion and hundreds of thousands of Latinos participate,
      Lucky youses, the US is not recreating the invasion of the US by Mexican military that have military parades all the time, my be this coming 5 de Mayo, because the gullibility of the US is that great, once they were invaded by the Martians, not long ago the Martian was recently observed eating his own ūüí© poopoo in US cinemas and nobody has repented yet about the war causing weapons of ficticious mass distraction on Iraq about 15 years ago...that cost the US more than 5000 casualties of war, the morally hurt and wounded and about 15 trillion dollars...recommended for you, New Yorker
      "it's the Corruption Stupid"
      At least see the cover and have a good day.

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    3. Well maybe penca de nopal. :)

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    4. 8:18 cuando estés en el metate Chivis,
      ándele y àndele endina,
      Pa que se eduque...
      Hi, Hey.

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    5. 8:18 how about a mano limpia.

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  6. I suspect whomever is moderator on the comments for this post is going to be busy.
    From what I've been reading what The President is talking about isn't unfounded, Bush sent about 6000 National Guard Members to support Border agents in 2006 and Obama sent 1200 in 2010. My opinion is; why not ? Keep the troops busy, sharp, I mean hell they're already being payed for by tax payers to protect the country anyway. If anything, it might act as a deterrence to border crime.
    Even though it's probably all about Trump saving face because he can't get substantial funding through congress to build his wall, nor has he been building the wall he promised his voters.

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    1. you are correct. I recall going across POE 10 times a per week or so and seeing the obama troops. poor organization, standing around drinking coffee not stopping vehicles. I was not stopped once in 2010.

      But i always though it to be pragmatic to use natl guard or reserves, we pay them to practice and training which could be done at the border. Trump said they would be sent until the wall is built.

      I believe he will build the wall. as he laid out the plan yesterday it is doable. I think in some critical places it is not a bad idea, but I think a human wall is best. In previous border deployments they assisted both with undocumented apprehensions and drug seizures with a small amount of troops, if he does it he should bump up the number.

      Mexican constitution does not allow border security, but they should amend that. the problem could be solved with the central american migrants, guns and drugs coming through the mexico south border. and the U.S. could help with that, it would benefit both countries.. the south border is completely porous.

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    2. US Troops on the border goes back to Texas becoming a part of the USA. The precedent is there going way.

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    3. A good valid point that bears a probable resolution / curb towards issues which have impacted / intertwined both countries. This strong and secure presence is necessary for both countries.. Along with the implementation of border security to law for Mexico’s constitution makes good sense.
      I see this as a mutual benefit for both countries to respect each other’s concerns in a diplomatic manner.
      One cannot forget the blending / mutual ties our countries share in common (culturally speaking).

      E42

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    4. E en Russia does not use the military for civilian operations, but like the US many police and detectives and Intelligence officers are former military.
      One example of why the military is not to serve as civilian police are the mass murdering all over LatinAmerica, and wherever the US military go, their private military contractors and the US police corporations that have been infected by vices like shoot first and shoot to kill policies instilled by private military trainers that brought black lives matter to life because of their callous disregard for life, the city insurance company Will pay and rise fees on the taxpayers anyway and no corrupt police officer gets punished ever, some get reinstated and promoted if they are good looking, and that is more than enough fascism.

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    5. In the U.S. people believe anything a dumbass politician tells them just like in the 50s when some idiot claimed to have "a list of 50 communists" living in the U.S. as well as Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons!
      These people are just plain stupid if they think a zero imigrant crossing border will make a dent on U.S. crime figures other than border patrol having an easy job if ever a wall is built.

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    6. thank you God, good to know what will and won't work...let's not try

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  7. Good for You Chivis in this post. As politics and the drug wars are VERY intertwined Globally.

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  8. This does totally pertain to the Drug War.After all it's the Mexican border and yeah the Cartels are shaking in their boots because the backpack era will be done.There,s still the Sea and produce crossing (although that depends on NAFTA) and of course the infamous tunnels.Where there's a will there's a way.

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    1. NAFTA benefits businessmen that can use low wages and taxes from offshoring production even to next door mexico and keeping earnings out of the US until they get bailed by the US government as happened under Obama, sometimes people get bailed out of financial chaos by the RUSSIANS.
      --Very few Mexicans own shares of NAFTA trading partners or of companies relocated to china or from drug traffiking and IF Mexico is pushed too far, FOREIGN PAYMENTS TO mexico' s debtors will get down to zero, THAT'S RISkY"

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    2. Canadiana - It will definitely put a damper on the amount of people coming over the border.

      But how much drugs do you think are actually coming across the border in back packs?? I think the amounts coming across via back pack are so minuscule i dont see it putting the slightest dent in the amount of drugs coming north of the border.

      Phelpso

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    3. Something is better than nothing Phelpso.
      Any amount of reductions will have n impact. Met not be significant but a corridor that is more difficult than previous.
      Expect price hikes for merchandise and smuggled people to be impacted the most. Tighter security means more money and other avenues.

      E42

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    4. Nafta worked very well for the cartel. Made them money

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  9. Caravan dispersed? That's a joke. They broke out into smaller groups. Dropped the placards and identifying themselves as "the caravan" and kept moving north discreetly.

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    1. hey dumbass better look up dispersed. they are not longer a caravan.

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    2. Yeah right @ 7:33. The caravan keeps moving north as we speak. Why can't our press be the ones who break the news on this event or cover their march north? Instead, the press is forced to cover defensively the issue as Trump put it our there for public consumption. Hey, mainstream media pull your head out of the sands of open border lawlessness.

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    3. DISPERSED, AND COMING IN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
      nobody was crying borders or fences when El Salvador and Honduras, nicaragua, Guatemala peru, panama, Colombia Chile are ti a etc etc etc. got invaded by extreme right fascist hordes of .ilitary attackers trained by the Schools of the Americas and their Latin American graduates that turned it all into hell for everybody, for profit, for the land air and water, for the drugs trafficked to the US for the last 100 years...

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  10. of course it is connected to drugs.
    thanks chivis

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  11. I agree put them to do something taxes are being paid anyhow for it. Just as I think less dangerous prisoners should be used as free work on the outside of the prison and the dangerous ones do hard work. This eliminates the idle time and forming gangs etc. When they getting back to the cells they so tired ,it's just sleep.

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  12. OK keyboard warriors...stick to topic of border deployment or you comment will not get posted. play nice

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  13. It can easily be secured with sattelites and drones, which are already there, and could find a tick on a coyotes ass from 200 miles away. The wall is stunt to soak taxes by fear. JMO

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    1. @9:27 I think you're right. The public foots the bill and connected contractors get rich. It worked for Halliburton in Iraq. Wealth redistribution in action.

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    2. drones and satellite both are already used! natl guard is cost effective, do a little research

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    3. My point was, already used, but if they wanted could be used more...I agree Natl. Guard. Each State on border. OTJ!

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    4. 5:58 the military deployed to the border will help establish more little.cities and towns on the Mexican side where they can go for the vice and degradation, while more Mexicans cross over to the US, LOL. THE MEXICANS are also training to escalate 6o feet tall walls and prolly to use drones all night.

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  14. trump is helping obrador to get elected

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    1. Right maybe getting from Berine Sanders the Socialist

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  15. Sounds like NORTH KOREA and south KOREA, pretty soon there will be bombs in between to keep people from going in or out. The way it's going it wouldn't surprise me

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    1. don't be ridiculous chicken little

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    2. You are a moron.

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    3. No US will not bomb Mexico Lindo. They r already bombing themselves

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  16. It would be great for both sides Mexico needs this more than USA does. We need a better Mexico for our children. Mexico's DTO's do as they please going around the entire country causing terror with less than 10% percent of their crimes being solved. I believe if military are allowed to patrol and apprehend drug smugglers and illegals attempting to cross than even our Mexican government will be cleaned out somewhat because of the big loss in revenue from drug smuggling. No money to pay off top officials means less corruption in our government.

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    1. The Yucatan-Cuba-Florida corridor is so facking near, and so unsuitable for fences...I was not even aware, heheheeelollolol.
      And then the 7+ US military bases in Colombia, and very probably others, have more airoplanos than Pancho villa and NOBODY CHECKS THEM AT THE BORDER of anywhere...

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  17. Personally, I think the US has the right to seal their borders. We, as Hispanics, just need to accept the fact that many people in the US are upset with illegal immigration. My family moved from Monterrey to Oklahoma City about 37 years ago. My father always said we "must do it the right way, if we want the right-away to stay in America and become citizens". Illegal Immigration is not good for any country. We should respect those Americans who want their country safer. If we must blame anyone, blame MS-13 and the cartels for what they've created.

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    1. Thank you 8 11... a voice of sanity.

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    2. Perfectly said.

      E42

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    3. I agree, more legal immigrants need to stand up & voice their concerns. Many folks think every Hispanic is against immigration enforcement since nobody really says anything.

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    4. U are a Great American

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  18. Oh bro give me a break, your blind as a bat, US to seal the borders, build a wall, will not seal the borders. It's all propaganda to get the wall built. People will come in reguardless, they will be smuggled thru Customs, thousands request asylum per year. Refugees from Syria, Iraq are let in by the thousands,now bro can you say if the wall will be effective.?

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  19. It's funny how these Latin American clown presidents defend there people but don't do something to keep them from leaving.

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  20. They arent stopping anything....no la pelan....the drugs will never stop flowing

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    1. The Trans-Gulf of Mexico Tunnel is a very well guarded secret, even the US taxpayers don't know they own it.

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  21. Mexico's government is a damn joke. It is arrogant, corrupt, and the laughing stock of the Western Hemisphere. They bitch about the US deporting their illegals by saying it's not decent or humane. This takes a lot of balls for a country that does NOTHING to stop this stuff. Mexico expects the United States to foot the bill for feeding, educating, housing, and providing medical care for all of the people they refuse to help. We have absolutely no obligation to provide for these people and Trump was right to crack down. I will say I am opposed to deporting the kids that were brought here and fall under DACA. We should take care of them since this is the only home they ever known. As for the rest that's Mexico's problem, not ours.

    If Mexico is so worried about their people who are here illegally, perhaps the CORRUPT government should give these folks incentive to stay home. I think 12 million illegals is more than enough.

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  22. Seems the arrogant and corrupt government of Mexico bitches about us securing our border, yet it seems there southern border is a farce. It speaks volumes how Mexico allows all of these illegals to cross their territory with no one stopping them until the US says something. Mexican people are awesome, but the cartels and the corrupt government working hand in hand make Mexico a very sad place.

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  23. F8ck tRUMP and his wall

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    1. Make America great again. Some dont want US middle-class to win. But we will cause we will Work for it

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  24. Mexico sit your ass down, worry about your own country and fix your issues the usa can do what it wants, who do these countries think they are with their entitled demands....#ThePartyIsOver

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  25. It amazes me that people in the US who sympathize or promote illegal entry never consider the other side. It's a modern day slave ttade.

    When drug violence errupts, I always hear that Americans have the appetite for drugs. And I am not denying that, the US population that uses drugs on a junkie level is worse day after day.

    Back to the topic, does Mexico have an appetite to inslave and take advantage of migrants? That's a obviously a generic statement, but human trafficking is worse than drug trafficking to me.

    Drug users don't care how they get it, but victims of human trafficking are deceived and their souls are punished. A little deep, I know...

    But what can one expect with the Mexican government dissapering youths by the hundreds. I wish the Hollywood elites would discuss this instead of focusing on 60 minute interviews with bimbos.

    Mica
    PS - My unusual tone probably has to do with the my own stress level. Don't beat me up that bad with comments!

    Cheers!
    Great story Chivis!

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    1. 10:41 Mico is a male chango.
      Guess what Mica is for?

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  26. "Mexico's Senate passed a resolution Wednesday calling for the suspension of cooperation on illegal immigration and drug trafficking in retaliation." What do the people here make of this? why the retaliation? Most illegals are Central Americans no?

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    1. Dam thats crazy, it seems mexico is going backwards.

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    2. I hear most illegals now coming are Central American and ASIAN..but, the fact is...they are coming through Mexico. The traffickers get paid huge fees, which ultimately filter up to the corrupt Mexican gov. All govs have some.levels of corruption, but Mexico might be the top. At least on the same level as most African countries.

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    3. That means the caravans of illegal immigrants is back in business...
      Que Dios los coja confesados

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    4. When did they cooperate

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  27. Once again just cause your neighbor is do better than you doesn't give you the right to park your ass on their couch. The mexico senate resolution just affirms that we do not need retards that think that way in our country .

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  28. Tell u how effective their Mexico military is they can not control their own people.

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