Wednesday, January 31, 2018

Opinion: "Anonymous" Commenter's rebuttal to "Tyranny of the Majority: U.S.-fueled Instability in Mexico"

Written by Anonymous Guest Reporter 'Lurker'
Readers: I have not a clue who this anonymous commenter is. Fact of the matter is, I have never pulled a comment out of thread, to create a post. What I do know is he has been a BB follower since 2010, the same year I began following BB. He has never before posted a comment, refers to himself as a “lurker”.His commentary is thoughtful, expressive, fact-filled and a good counter to the article “Tyranny of the Majority: U.S.-fueled Instability in Mexico and the Case for a North American Economic and Security Community”[if you have not read it, please use this hyperlink] Whether or not I completely agree with his opinion doesn’t matter, it remains an excellent counterpoint.


“I think he misses the mark entirely about what really afflicts Mexico in its current condition” .….Lurker

Look man, I’ve been a BB reader since 2010 but have never written before. I’m a lurker, as many of you are, but this article really got me, so here goes my .02 centavos…..
Though I think the author made some good points with this article, I think he misses the mark entirely about what really afflicts Mexico in its current condition. He goes on to quote some great minds like Alexis de Toqueville, Rousseau and Madison, et al, but he takes their statements wholly out of context and using sleight of hand, 3-Card Monty type word tricks, tries to fool us into his globalist, left-leaning ideology that Mexico’s homicide woes are caused by US drug consumption! There’s some truth to it, no doubt, as we are the number one consumer, but it’s reeks of the same old argument the Left has been making for years – if only we amend or get rid of the 2nd Amendment, the senseless killings will stop! But, as all dictators know, once you disarm the citizenry, then rebellion becomes an easy-peasy matter to stop!


I contend that what makes the USA different from any other country is our Constitution and The Bill of Rights, and its 27 Amendments. The Bill of Rights in general is a guaranteed list of what the govt can’t do to us as citizens! Of importance to Patriots (Liberals, not so much…) is the 2nd Amendment (the right to keep and bear arms), as that is arguably one of the most (if not the most) important right that we as citizens enjoy that other countries unfortunately and regrettably do not. Currently, only USA, Guatemala and Mexico have that right (according to Google), but only in the USA is that right honored or recognized without the severe restrictions that the other two countries place upon it. Consider that the US Revolutionary War was won because Patriots were fed up with draconian British rule over them (a bunch of putos they were), so Patriots banded together, drank some Samuel Adams and smoked some good Virginia sinsemilla, and then took up arms to do something about it, not just theorize and debate it – but lock and load and play Whack-A-Mole with the nasty Red Coats! In other words – they put their anger into action! In life, nothing changes until someone gets pissed off or at least fed up with the current status quo and then decides to do something about it.

If Mexico had included the right to keep and bear arms when Carlos Salinas amended the Constitution under Articles, 3, 5, 24, and 130 (religious articles) and 127 (land reform), I pretty sure that Mexicans (being Tough Hombres) would not have allowed some methed up, narco vato locos to go around committing atrocities like what happened to the 300 people in Allende in 2011, the missing 43 students at Iquala in 2014, and the 72 murdered migrants at San Fernando in 2010 that turned into 193 bodies after exhumation in 2011, not to mention the 49 human torsos found in a clandestine grave in Cadereyta! My point is that the body count wouldn’t be 200,000 (far more than is reported by this author), the truth is no one really knows because, as he admits – crimes go unreported.

My simple point is if someone is trying to break down your front door in the middle of the night, a 12 guage shotgun, or some such weapon, would certainly make for a fairer fight – as opposed to no gun at all! We all know that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away! Hell, the Japanese thought twice about invading the mainland US during WW2 when they realized how many guns those crazy rednecks had! Hari Kari was a better option for them, I guess. Look, there’s people in Guerrero (Autodefensas), politicians and liberals call them “vigilantes” – people like Dr. Mireles that were fed up with their government  not providing security to the people, so they took matters into their own hands! Same thing I would have done! Thing is, had they had more weapons and more assistance, instead of government resistance, they’d have succeeded! The will was there, but the government came down harder on them than it did the cartels?! Go figure…

1: Legalizing marijuana would cut Mexican TCO profits by 17%. True, but also true is that had HSBC Bank been stopped, or fined a realistic number rather than the measly $1.9 billion (follow the money), from the Obama, Holder DOJ regime back in 2012 (HSBC admitted it, but the fine was only 2 months profit – so it was written off as a cost of doing business), then the cartels wouldn’t be able to launder their money with impunity like they do now either! See, I can play what if’s too!

2: Closing of loopholes that allow firearms to be purchased in the U.S. sans background check. Where there’s a will – there’s a way! Just look at Chicago with its strict gun laws – do they apply to criminals who don’t care about consequences? Strict gun laws are in place in Mexico as well – do they apply to cartels too? Because they certainly don’t give a shit about them!

3: Rehabilitation, instead of long term prison sentences for hard core drug addicts. Three strikes, many times even more! Depending on the city and state, our laws are very lenient nowadays – except for hard-core drugs. This is an internal and personal issue. In a free society, no one makes anyone do drugs – it takes a willing participant. Don’t want to go to jail or do time – then don’t commit crimes! This guy is just regurgitating the liberal orthodoxy that there’s too many people in prison for drugs. I can tell you this, 100% of them were found guilty either by a jury of their peers or by a judge who had to follow the law. We’re all free men and women, we have free will! Exercise better judgment – listen to that little guy on your shoulder who goes by the name of “Conscience” and hangs around with a guy named “Gut” when they tell you something just ain’t right.

But please spare us the lecture about globalizing the Western Hemisphere by calling it the “majority tyranny issue” as if that’s the silver bullet to the drug war! Does sovereignty mean anything anymore to this guy? For me, it rings too close to what some high and mighty Mexican politicians said after they lost the Mexican-American War of 1848: "The true origin of the war, it is sufficient to say that the insatiable ambition of the United States, favored by our weakness, caused it. No – sorry to break it to you buttercup, but Mexico started a fight with the USA after only two decades from winning independence from Spain, and then grossly misjudged the USA as an adversary – and so, with regard to all the land the USA got for its troubles, as the saying goes: to the victor goes the spoils.

Give Mexicans the right to keep and bear arms – and then see what happens to the drug war and the kidnappings, beheadings, extortion, and all that other pendehadas that is only happening not because of US consumption, but because the people can’t fight back fair and square! Did you ever consider that?

97 comments:

  1. Not much thought went into that "analysis". Just knee jerk, Annie get your gun logic from the weapons lobby. I like guns as much as the next guy but Mexico's problem is far deeper than not having a gun handy. The entire infrastructure of Mexico's government is infected by narcos, top to bottom. How are you going to shoot your way out of that? Now add rampant poverty that makes working or cooperating with the cartels a very attractive proposition. Go ahead and shoot your way out of that?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 9:47 Good points.

      Delete
    2. I'd rather be poor and alive than poor and dead! Why not ask the people in Allende if they would have fought back the Zs with all they had if only they would have had the means to do so. My argument was not against guns solving poverty - that's institutional injustice and a product of the govt's ineptitude to provide for the common defense. I chalk your trigger-happy remarks as premature evaluation...

      Delete
    3. I'd rather be poor and alive than poor and dead! Why not ask the people in Allende if they would have fought back the Zs with all they had if only they would have had the means to do so. My argument was not against guns solving poverty - that's institutional injustice and a product of the govt's ineptitude to provide for the common defense. I chalk your trigger-happy remarks as premature evaluation...

      Delete
    4. The short answer? Yes.

      Because your average Joe, can kill you back, that in itself levels the playing field, and removes one aspect of "intimidation." If you send your goons after me, I have a fighting chance, hell I can even try to shoot you first.. See? I say arm every one... the first couple of years things will be bloody and dark, hell it will get worst before it gets better, but eventually it will sort it self out.

      Delete
    5. The poverty will always be there, it was there before the Narcos and it will be there after the Narcos. My grandfather was poor when 2 guys kidnapped him and tortured him if he had a gun he would probably be alive right now.. still poor but alive goddamn it.

      Delete
    6. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

      Delete
    7. many people have had guns and high caliber rifles ans machine guns, some gold plated, and they got cogidos and by a miracle they did not get their weapons stuck up their asses. best thing be cool and stay out of trouble

      Delete
    8. I live about 300 miles north of the Mexican border . Not once have I ran into a criminal roadblock like they have just across the border . Tell you why . Criminals would die . We got guns and know how to use them . We teach our kids gun safety and how to use them . Rob at your own peril . Last week my sons co-workers wife shot a theif while he was at work (night shift) .Lipan Tx Hood county . Check and see . it happens but not much because we got so many weapons .

      Delete
    9. The point about marijuana legalization is misleading in its structure. The framing suggests it’s an “either or” scenario; “either crack down on money laundering or legalize marijuana”—why can’t we have both?
      I’d take it a step further than marijuana; legalize all drugs. However, there needs to be proper public education about the risk of harm. Cigarettes are a perfect example of how public education can work. For proof of how legalization works, look at Portugal. They’re almost twenty years into total legalization and all the studies have shown a drop in usage and abuse rates, as well as a drop in drug-related petty crime.

      Delete
    10. I will read it with professional credentials and decipher his views.

      Delete
  2. That is very true.... if people were able to defend themselves legally, instead of getting thrown in jail for defending themselves would make a big difference.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. This is what happens when someone comes with their billions of dollars reinforcing the local police state and their "so-called-military" goons, they are the ones pushing their narcos, grameros, sicarios, car washers and orange squeezers into producing more and more kickback".
      --FECAL got the point and withdrew his army from Cd Juarez, but these mother fackers on gorilla narco steroids are not going to reason..
      One question for our resident economists, is the rise in the stocks and inflated US economy all about INFLATION or just a little bit?

      Delete
  3. Quien quedó ardida. - Sol Prendido

    ReplyDelete
  4. Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very well said. “From my cold dead hands.” I along with many I know will die before I willingly give up my guns. I am well aware of the history regarding the consequences of surrendering such necessary rights. You never get rights back from the insatiable government beast, and you end up enslaved by the greedy pendejos like in Mexico.
    Finesse

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I will depend on God, since He can handle all of it, much better than me and some guns. Still I am OK with 2nd amendment, just say your prayers too, else you might get out-gunned.

      Delete
  5. Concience and Gut, I love it, guest reporter “ Lurker”.
    Interesting that you call yourself right leaning, I did not read Bryan Barkers article as particularly left leaning. And WHAT Brookings did he keep referring to ? Brookings Institute ? Aren’t they a right wing think tank ? I’m not sure but the link on Prof’s original post didn’t work for me. I did think it was mostly crap.
    Fantasy land or wishful thinking of “ North America “ as one unit. Work together , hell yeah, How long have we been trying to get weed legalized.....like my whole LIFE and we aren’t there yet , really . US will NEVER legalize all drugs , unfortunately . Not to mention the TDO’s move a lot more than just drugs, the whole damn world is run by organized crime all the way up the chain to the Banksters and Politicians.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Sheet, read about Barker's Bastards...

      Delete
  6. It makes sense , but I believe everything has a beginning. Since "we " as ( community , fathers,son etc.) stop believing in God, all the crimes , drug uses , adultery , broken families etc . Started to increase . I'm an example of that , when I was a kid I grew up in a very religious community (town ) in Mexico where i used to go to church every Sunday , praying every day , respect for you're olders and women , but once I moved to California when i was 15 years old all that change to partys, drugs (cocaine ) alcohol, salling drugs , girls . I cheated my wife 3 times and that's when I realized my life was going in the wrong pad , now that I go to church and pray every day all that is gone , there's no need in my life for drugs or other women cause I have the love of God in my life . Same thing in Mexico , all the youngster got brainwashed by the narco mentality that they listen in the corridos , there's no love in the family's no more , there's no Time for God in their life's . We don't need more stricts laws , we need to spread the Love of God in our families to start a new generation . Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you and you're families

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Well, I am glad for you that the Lord Jesus Christ has helped you out, sincerely. However, I take issue with you generalizing about Mexicans or anyone else ‘s religion or lack there of. I am NOT a religious person, in the context you are using . I do consider myself spiritual and perhaps practice more “ Christian like , values , etc “ than a lot of people that call themselves Christians . Most all of my very closest Mexican amigos / familias and even acquaintances are still very religious, be it Catholic or Evangelistas. Many have turned to the evangelical community purposefully to raise their tight knit families away from this disintegration of “ family values “ . None of them drink or drugs and they have their own fantastic gatherings and play music and sing together........fabulous ranchero music only with Jesus lyrics.
      No one listens to narco corridos unless perhaps one slips in on the radio , but I don’t hear them on the radio and they sure don’t play them. Now, I am talking about a basically still very rural culture here, but they get exposure thru news, tv, computers now and they absolutely DO NOT accept this new narco cultura into their lives although they have to live with it all around them. there was a very traditional annual music festival a couple of years ago where a Mayor got the ingenious idea to book Caliber 50 , a group that plays Narco music.......mano mano did THAT raise a stink ! Most of La gente were seriously upset that he brought that to the venue.

      Delete
  7. Sounds like a true politician. Instead of speaking solution, talk down on some imagined counterpart to look better, in this case called "left". (And just to make it clear, I am not left)

    I cannot see that you bring anything to the table, but I couldn't help myself commenting on your obvious inconsistency "We’re all free men and women, we have free will". If we have such free will, then why should anyone be locked up for taking drugs?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Surely you jest? Look, if you don't know the rules then you can't play the game! My statement about free will was about the capacity to determine your own destiny within the confines of the law. I was speaking metaphorically - the literal interpretation you're espousing is called anarchy. I too have come to believe it’s high time (no pun intended) to legalize marijuana from sea to shining sea (modern day Manifest Destiny), but just like the social engineering that was imposed upon us by the gay community years ago, change takes time (I have three relatives that are gay and I love them so this is a non-issue for me). The thing is, any kid will tell you that you don’t ask for the whole pie all at once, you ask for a slice at a time (California, Colorado, Vermont, etc.) and eventually you get all the pie (if that's the end game). It’s a tactic called “nudging” and it’s used very effectively by the terminally aggrieved groups in this country to effect the social change to their perceived injustices.

      Delete
    2. Lurker...
      I see you like the nickname I gave you :)
      I hope I don't bring you much grief by posting this. But I think you can handle it..... Chivis

      Delete
    3. 1:49 You may like better "Loroker" because of all the senseless parroting.

      Delete
  8. Great post "Lurker". I am sure the DD's will disagree in typical liberal manner, but your points are accurate.

    Maybe Mexico should also follow the same logic.
    1. Make gasoline free. This will then prevent theft.
    2. Legalize slavery and make human smuggling legal.
    3. Legalize drug trafficking. Since the majority of deaths are narco related, this will solve everything.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 10:45 Hahahaha!Read you loud and clear.(may as well make absolutely everything legal,that way you take it away from the criminals.........and give it to someone elas).

      Delete
  9. great post and thanks for posting it or I would have missed it. I read both posts. solid points

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 11:03 the feeble minded always think some super hero will save the day, cool it a little, hes married

      Delete
  10. Free will means you have the decision to break the law or not break the law, not do whatever you want simpleton. There are millions of people who decide not to break the law and go to work.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Good points. People should be able to protect themselves. Mexico is the "wild west" these days. And everybody knows that you couldn't survive the wild west without personal protection.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Shoot all the damn drug users - sarcasm intended to prove the seriousnes of their contribution to violence as much in Mexico as in the States. Supply and demand senario which in this case the demand OUTSTRIPS the supply.
    Who put a gun to drug users face to take the drugs? Nobody! You are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. 60 percent of overdoses in the U.S. caused by illegal drugs yet 40 percent of overdoses are by legal drugs. Who supplied those?
    Mexico poor as fuck and even secondary education costs a ton so many do not have even that. What are their prospects for gaining a well paying job? Very minimal.
    Government employees in Mexico offered Plata o Plomo to very least "look the other way". Why the fear of this? Wages in Mexico very low however American companies employ possibly more than 40 percent of Mexicos workforce.
    Gruesome and multiple killings in Mexico not U.S. fault for sure.
    Conclusion. Everybody more so drug users cause of conflict in Mexico and to lesser yet significant extent on U.S. side also.
    Solution BOTH countries need to stop BOTH the demand as much as the supply of drugs. Not one over the other period.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 11:27 the american export School of the Americas has trained their latin american murderers and sicarios in torture and murder, kidnappings and negotiations with kidnappers, and they use their many skills to make themselves millionaries, in dollars,
      school of the americas watch could help you.

      Delete
  13. The rampant drug use in the U.S., Canada and Europe is driven by the decline of the morality and integrity of western civilization as it manifests the decay that history tells us is an inevitable part of the rise and fall of great nations and cultures. When you have a hundred million or more degenerates wanting to be drug users there is absolutely nothing government can do to stop it due to the sheer numbers involved and the corrosive effect of their influence on the rest of society.

    If you haven't done so I urge you to read Toffler's "Future Shock" so you can understand why all of this is happening so fast. I'm in my seventies and I used to think I'd die before the wheels really came off, now I am not so sure.

    There really is nothing government can do to impede the narco civilization, they may just as well get out of the way and legalize all of it.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I’m sure the western civilization you speak of were being moral when they bought other humans, destroyed indigenous civilizations, stole land and butchered innocent people. Drugs laws were made by man not by god. Drug and alcohol abuse was way more rampant in the earlier years of the US per capita then it is now. “Worry about self” should be the law of the land. Look at the president of the US who is a fornicater in his own right. He has bashes others for doing the same thing he has been caught bragging about. If what others are doing have no affect on your day to day living then we all need to STFU and go sit down.

      Delete
    2. Nobody plans to become a drug user, even I who have been wanting to experiment with heroine for more than 40 years.
      Most drug addicted people never expected to become addicted, it is not something you 'expect', it is more of a surprise your best friends spring on you when they "give you your first taste of their shut "for free", it is not long till you find out for yourself and you become one of them.
      The only way to take control is by selling it so cheap that it eliminates the competition, that how great drug traffickers steal the market from their competition, those great traffickers include law enforcement and big banksters, government and businessmen and politicians who never ever ever do drugs and become presidents, but some of their juniors indulge too, at least for a while...

      Delete
  14. arming mexican civilians is a great idea..but i truly believe the problem is rooted in the corrupt politicians throughout mexico who takes bribes rather than tough it out and stay moral and do their job the correct way..look at all the big cartel leaders..they all get arrested at some point and it most likely happens when they cant pay protection money or some other cartel leader pays more and takes that politician..Mexico has the ability to arrest anyone and everyone..but its the money that corrupts the politicians into letting the cartel leaders run wild and free..if mexico can clean up its political leaders then and only then can mexico be released from the drug violence that affects everyone in mexico one way or another..el chapo was very powerful and had many areas in mexico he was able to move around free and have nothing to worry about..but he to was arrested not once but twice..so that shows that the mexican government can get anyone it wants..but if EPN is saying do not grab mencho then what can anyone do in mexico to stop el mencho?? nothing..and as of right now he is running wild and free..mencho is selling tons of drugs and having people killed left and right..all EPN has to do is give the order and mencho is done..but instead EPN is taking bribe money and letting mencho run free..now until someone else comes along with more money or more power then mencho will be arrested like chapo before him..so it starts and ends with the real narco's the politicians..clean them up and watch mexico flourish..but i honestly think it wont ever happen because of the money and the ease to always put blame on the United States and look the other way..

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. The excuse of armed black people has been used by American police officers to argue that since the blacks are a bunch of murderers, they are too afraid to resist the urge to kill black lives that don't really matter in self defense, with a few brown people thrown in for spice.
      --In mexico there are always incidents of "False Positives" imported from Culombia with murder victims drested in fatigues and their "weapons" collected by their murderers that accuse the dead of ambushing their law enforcement arseholes.
      --the threat of having the mexicans armed will only result in more extrajudiciary executions, Mass Murdering the Vietnamese in places like MyLai gave a lot of experiences to the ambassadors of good will, recovering 2 or 3 weapons from 500 killed enemy combatant VietCong or Viet Minh women, children or grandparents was deemed proof of mass murdering by some unpatriotic Americans that betrayed their brothers at arms denouncing their rape and pillaging and mass murdering.
      --Leave the mexicans alone, and stop sowing hideous ideocies of "weapons for all" rat traps.

      Delete
  15. Mexico did shoot itself in the foot with the drug war..days were better when the Arrellano Felix Cartel n DE Gortari were around

    ReplyDelete
  16. Life is a chess game, so is drug trafficking. Is the problem really US consumption when Mexican nationals deal kilos unarmed and away from violence? o Most of the deaths and disappearances in Mexico are related to kidnapping for profit, extortion, retail drug sales disputes, and settling of scores. How does US consumption factor in?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Chest game is life, then you go to third base...

      Delete
  17. I love when a person lumps all Liberals together. Not all Liberals want to take away your 2nd amendment rights. Its actually a small minority of Liberals who are hippy “make love not war” types. That’s like me (a registered Democrat who has been in law enforcement for 15 plus years and also carries a firearm almost 24/7) labeling all Conservatives as the alt right bigoted racist fascist who want to make all non whites subservient to whites. There are many levels of the left just like there are many different levels of the right. You make good points yes but as soon you start name calling Liberals you lost all credibility. Most of what you stated is regurgitated politically divisive mumbo jumbo.

    I don’t know if you truly know the history of all the territory that Mexico lost to the US but believe me the US was no White Knight like some historians want to paint. Mexico was not some bully who decided to pick a fight with a inferior opponent. Mexico felt infringed upon by the US. Matter of fact one of the main issues that intensified the path to war between Mexico and Texas was the practice of white settlers bringing African slaves into Mexican territories. One of the agreements Mexico had with white settlers was to not bring African slaves into their territory. Believe it or not the Mexican government did not like the fact settlers disobeyed Mexico City’s orders. Texas decides to claim independence from Mexico. The rest is history. Texas gained independence and became its own nation and then became a state of the Union.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Touche. Yes, Texas history is more than what history books state - for good or bad and your points are salient and well taken. Thanks for your comments. Isn't history great: I was shocked to learn that Mexican troops killed Geronimo's wife, mother and 3 small kids at the place where my grandma was born - Janos, Chihuahua near Casas Grandes.

      Delete
    2. AMEN, thank you 1:16........and thank you Lurker for your contribution. I think Chivis just made you a guest reporter, heehee , keep up the good work.

      Delete
    3. Lurker this is 1:16. I don’t mean to sound crass in my response but I think we have to get away from separating our ideals by political affiliations. We need to work together even though our thought process is a little different. Both sides of the political spectrum want to divide and claim the other side to be the evil one. If we get away from that mind set we can accomplish way more.I’m not from Mexico but my spouse is from Ojinga, Chih. Her great uncles road with Poncho Villa to save their land from government seizure. I know I know Poncho Villa wasn’t a saint but for her family he was the lesser of the two evils at the time. Ultimately it worked out for the family. On another note thanks for your contribution to BB.

      Delete
    4. Geròmino's death story was written by a white guy who may have been among those Mexicans killing Gerómino, disguised as a mexican...a common white man's trick since the bombing of the Boston Bay with tea bags property of the British queen.
      --The Mountain Meadow Massacre was also the doings of Brigham Young's gang of LDS persecuted white followers disguised as indians murdering pilgrims with reckless abandon like Los zetas their disciples...
      Mexicans may have killed Gerómino, the 1 dollar price for his scalp must have made it all worth it to the corrupt Mexico City government... same at Wounded Knee Massacre or the Dakota Pipeline free winter showers with fire hoses for the lousy indians...feed me more tripe stew please, but spare the fried bread.

      Delete
    5. Part 1

      You’re right, we need to keep the discourse civil and free of political bias as political opinions are like belly buttons – everyone’s got one. I was merely making a comment to something that gnawed my craw, and felt the article was written from a biased point of view that sounded like rainbows and Lilliputians riding on unicorns, not something the hard-core readers of BB would digest without a shot of skepticism. The theme smelled like globalism to me, and that’s something that I just don’t agree with – No siree Bobcat tail! I’m all for unity and harmony and sending each other Christmas cards, but for the love of Adam’s cat – just throw fast balls straight down the middle, will ya! His article was a celebration of ignorance that would best be received on The Onion or Gawker, not BB. The folks ‘round here like their stew with all meat and potatoes – and no gravy! Capisce?

      Perhaps my comment was unique in the sense it was more than one paragraph long? BB commentary operates under the “Slow is smooth, smooth is fast” rules of order. Anything more than monosyllables, it seems, and some of the pitbulls here start pacing furiously and pulling on the “Intruder Alert, Intruder Alert!” alarm rope. I just wanted to give that guy who wrote the article the full load from my Mossberg 500 and let him know that some of us are wide awake and know that we are on to them. He doesn’t seem to understand that governments cannot create rights, only privileges. My God gives me my rights, and this guy’s just a David Koresh – you know, the whacko from Waco…

      Delete
    6. Part 2

      To your point, however, I do respect that your response was artfully composed and that, indeed, cooler heads do prevail if first we seek to understand each other’s point of view without resorting to ad hominem attacks. You’ve got no argument from me, my friend.

      BTW, my grandma also got to see Pancho Villa when he rode through Columbus, NM to avenge the dirty deal he was given. Rumor has it that he lit up the Gringos in Columbus because some whiteboys sold him sold bad ammo. Turned out they sold him blanks, so he rode into town with his merry band of banditos and really put the hurt to them. He killed 10 civiies and 8 soldiers and wounded a bunch of others. Up until 9/11/01, when we were attacked by Johnny Jihad, the US had never been attacked by foreigners on its contiguous soil! I have family in Parral, Chihuahua, and that’s where he was killed while riding in a 1919 Dodge Durango truck – ok, it wasn’t Durango, it was RAM – because Pancho was a Tough Hombre and he liked his trucks RAM tough! OK, ok, it was a Dodge Roadster, but you knew that.

      Another interesting tidbit, General John “Black Jack” Pershing of later WW1 fame was the guy sent in to hunt him down and bring him to justice for his raid on Columbus. Notable as well was that Gen. George Patton was the aide to Pershing during that “Mexican Expedition” to locate Pancho Villa. He was just a 2nd Lt at the time, though. Also, there were some “Buffalo Soldiers” (Black soldiers who had their own unit and given that name by the Indians during earlier 1880’s skirmishes) who killed some Mexican troops as well.

      The irony is that Pershing, with 10,000 US troops never did locate Villa, as he was called off to be the commander of Allied Forces during WW1. However, the real irony of this story, as it relates to your point about using politics, is that Villa was assassinated by Obregon by giving a nod and a wink to a plot by Calles and Barranza when Carranza was killed so that his fame wouldn’t hurt Obregon’s chances during the election as Villa could swing the election if he injected himself into the race. Pershing couldn’t kill him, but a bribe of 50K pesos to the police so they would scatter from town on the day of the assassination was all it took – that and 7 gunmen.

      Politics, I tell you, it’s everywhere, even back then! Hell, you can go back all the way to Julius Caesar and Brutus, and probably even to Judas and his seven pieces of silver (well, that’s not really a politically motivated act) and probably even further than that.

      Laterz!

      Delete
    7. Dude, you must have entered the Matrix because you’re all bent out of shape! I never said Mexicans killed Geronimo. I said they killed his wife, mother and three kids – it’s in his bio. Geronimo died a few days after falling from his horse and was buried in Ft Sill, OK in 1909. In his bio he also states:

      “I have killed many Mexicans; I do not know how many, for frequently I did not count them. Some of them were not worth counting. It has been a long time since then, but still I have no love for the Mexicans. With me they were always treacherous and malicious.” — Geronimo, My Life: The Autobiography of Geronimo, 1905

      I purposely left that out as I didn’t want to foment hate as it’s a harsh statement to take if you don’t know the full context behind it. I presume you’re calling his biographer a liar, and that well may be, but I’ll give Geronimo the benefit of the doubt as the Mexican govt was ambushing Apache settlements because Apache’s were stealing horses and supplies from the Mexicans. Look, the Apache and Mexican Wars are well documented and if you want to learn more you’ll have to do your own research.

      BTW, what would you call the people who killed your mom, wife and three kids?

      Delete
    8. 7:47 Accused murderers, until there is at least proof that somebody paid them 130 or 150 thousand dollars to shut the fock up
      Texas immigrants decoded that it was very important to provoke a little war for profit, had the military superiority of the US armies and weaponry and decided it was proper to declare independence and start a war to Make America Great Again by wining a war they themselves provoked, we are lucky the mexicans did not sink a Maine ship of the USSA on the Rio Grande and got the remains of the country occupied too...
      --I am not claiming one inch of anybody's land, or litigating anybody's rights or laundering crimes of wars for profit, just saying what it looks like, things historians with masters and doctorates know but are too afraid to tell.

      Delete
  18. It is folly to think that any government can control drug use when you have hundreds of millions of users in the U.S., Canada and Europe. You guys are arguing here about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic of the decline and fall of the latest cycle of civilization.

    When it comes to deja vu this is history repeating itself all over again. Every civilization in history has gone through a cycle of birth, growth, maturity and decline and this current cycle of western civilization is no different.

    You either continue with the losing war on drugs or you legalize it, tax it and spend a goodly part of the money on drug rehab. The basic premise of the original piece is that the U.S. can do something about its drug use. Forget that.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. the US can supply all comers for free or a small fee to support the enterprise, no private drug leader will be able to compete and it will be more cost effective by about 90% than no war on drugs will ever be

      Delete
    2. 1:35 your idea is like eating Poóp to go and make more Poóp.
      As long as some smart as can profit they will keep trying to enhance the profit, best thing is supply for free or a small fee to support health clinics and rehab, and the dispensaries for profit and the businessmen can stick their taxes up the ass.

      Delete
  19. Why does Mexico need to mirror the US and it’s gun laws. Why can’t Mexico be more like Canada. My answer is Mexico can’t be anything but Mexico point blank. The government corruption runs deep in Mexico. 200 plus years deep amigo. How can you combat 200 years of government corruption over night? More guns in Mexico is not the answer. There is too much money at stake for the elite in Mexico to allow the people to protect themselves. I’ve said it before and I will say it again the only way things will changes in Mexico is if the narcos started assasinating political figures and their families like Escobar did in Colombia. Then and only then will the elite allow the US free reign to come in and take out the narcos. If that doesn’t happen Mexico will continue its downward spiral.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Destabilized mexico has the Malinche admirers salivating at the prospects of privatizing everything worth owning, they have been practicing for 200 hundred years, they may use the saliva to buy themselves a jacket, because the Russians are arriving like Crazy Horse's Cavalry at Little Big Horn...
      --Entonces si cabrones, ahi van a andar como Buffalo Bill,
      "no senor Apache...please" por andar ahi de calientes.

      Delete
  20. Really appreciate this post, thanks. Would be nice to see more "op/ed" thought pieces like this.

    Having traveled throughout Mexico, studying in college there and living for five years in Mexico - I don't have any suggestions for solutions for the tremendous problems that country is facing. Porfirio Diaz' comment sure does ring truer than ever: "Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States."

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Let's add that Porfirio Diaz went from the French that imposed Maximiliano I on Mexico and the US before becoming his masters to the British intrigants that became mexico's banksters with bank vaults connected to Porfirio Diaz toilets, so he could go and see his gold every day...
      codigodiez.com
      Then the US got really mad and unleashed "the revolucion" to kick the Europe sympathizer Diaz out of power, and financed it for los Panchos, Villa and Madero as had helped Juarez and hidalgo and their heirs before for the independence...

      Delete
    2. 2:57 you could have tried to learn something while traveling and studying in mexico...
      I hope you still have time to learn something, at least here.

      Delete
  21. Mexico is fucked up and its mexicans fault. Stop blaming others for the state your country is on. You have low morals your goverment has no balls and mexico is the most corrupt country in the world. Its your fault and no one elses.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Obviously this behavior was learned not inherited. I doubt the land of Mexico was this way prior to the arrival of Europeans. Indigenous tribes fought each other for survival and not for reward.

      Delete
    2. 3:09 you are like the pendejos blaming the putas and giving free passes and Mulligans to the pimps and the Johns.
      No pinch mames güey.

      Delete
    3. Pendejo eres tu y cualquiera que le quiera echar la culpa donde no va. La culpa es del mexicano y ya

      Delete
    4. I:37 dear "El decapitador" ya mero me la arrancas con tanta pinchi mamada.
      Nobody "gives" Mexico billions of dollars a year to reinforce the government's corruption, nobody but the US, and don't tell me about bad results brung by good intentions, and no more "benefits of the doubt" fack thet shet, if I want benefits I will promise to marry you "later"

      Delete
    5. 8:37 mejor hazme un cabron favor, niñito, sheraaap!

      Delete
  22. Good job lurker... yeah maybe you’re not 100% correct, but at least you’re thinking... something more people in the US and Mexico have to do to solve this problem. Don’t let the nay sayers here silence you. Their holier than though attitudes suck, but that’s politics in the US and Mexico nowadays. People critiacally thinking about problems is needed and sometimes, when people have open minds, a post like this can create a productive dialogue. Good job!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thanks, I wasn't trying to stir the kettle, just stating my opinions and holding the author to account - though he didn't post it. Nowhere did I profess to be the Oracle of Delphi on Mt. Olympus, so I appreciate the fact that you "got it".

      Delete
    2. My guess is that less than 2% of the BB commenters understand the reference to the Oracle of Delphi on Mt. Olympus. Please keep posting, lurker, let's step up the game here

      Delete
    3. Fack the Greek Mythology and the Greek fraternity boys and their greek mariconadas, if I wanted to immerse myself in religion i'd be in the seminary learning under some padrecito.

      Delete
  23. I was waiting for the "that's why I voted for Trump" zinger. I'm all for Mexicans having guns AFTER Mexico becomes less corrupt.

    Since we've resorted to wishful thinking.... Being corrupt in Mexico should land you in Guantanamo. We can't have you be so close to us and be that corrupt. The US should be allowed to go in and grab you. Wishful thinking...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 4:23 The Mexicans could grab some legal operators in mexico causing all this shit, and send them to their maker in hell, to make it a whole pair of shoes.
      -Joseph Weichselbaum a 3 times convicted drug trafficker would fit nicely in Guantánamo, with his most beloved great leader.

      Delete
  24. I just love the cartoon . Even though I don't agree with most of this , the artist was very artistic and it says several things . I believe the foot shot by mexico happened a long time ago . Now theyre having to deal with almost a half century of what they let get to .

    ReplyDelete
  25. I've stated numerous times the subject of the Americans rebelling against, and sending the redcoats packing. It never made the cut from the bias staff. We also took up arms over slavery and racism. And in each situation justice and righteousness prevailed. Take notes Mexico.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 4:47 there is alot more involved into the US slavery and racism debate. I can go on for an hour about what the civil war was really about but who wants to read that. No doubt one of the issues that the civil war was fought over was the right for southern states to retain their slaves. But the north did not fight the civil war to liberate slaves or fight racism. Google “The Devil’s Punchbowl” and you will see how “freed” slaves were treated by Union soldiers. That story is just one of thousands in the post civil war days of the US. Who is just and righteous is merely a perspective. I doubt Americans were righteous for the slaughter of indigenous tribes, forced Chinese labor to build the railroad, imprisonment of Japanese Americans during WWII and 100 years of segregation. All countries are built on the blood of the innocent. The US is no different. God bless America!!!

      Delete
    2. 4:47AM

      Mexico outlawed slavery BEFORE the U.S. without getting all crazy with guns. Take note of history.

      Delete
  26. Well when u can't get a conviction, or even an investigation, on over 90% of capital crimes committed, it's pretty much a wrap. Full fledged narcostate.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 5:10 it is well known by almost everybody in the world that the mexican narcotics state is a creation of the US government, who also furnished the AIR AMERICA planes loaded with cocaine caught in operation mayan jaguar in Yucatan Peninsula on planes property of their Air America Inc. Originally the Chinese Flying Tigers in China formed by the husband of Madame Chennault American Charles L Chennault a volunteer that made great wealth trafficking heroine to the US back in the day with an air fleet supplied by the US government...during the Vietnam war, with amado carrillo fuentes, with El barbas, julián slim helù, with colombia, Bolivia and now with EPN...
      --The mexican puppets are almost not good enough to lick the boots of their masters, they barely qualify for some bread crumbs, no bonuses...

      Delete
  27. Well done Chivis to have posted an intellectual and constructive comment. A stimulating conversation piece with validating points and argumentative opinions.
    Moreover, a gathering of intellectual minds without the gibberish nonsense.

    Well done B.B.
    Had to applaud despite my refrain.

    From u know who!


    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I knew after the first sentence... :) good to "see you"

      Delete
    2. Don't hide E42,
      if there is any truth to your convictions and you have anything to say, use your name you chose yourself and strive to make it great, only Russian bots try to hide their cabooses

      Delete
  28. Even if all the drugs in the world ceased to exist, Mexico would still be kidnapping, extorting, killing, and every other crime imaginable. The drugs don't really matter anyway.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Agreed 9:16. They'd blame american movies or some shit.

      Delete
    2. 9:16 once upon a time there was almost no murder and no drugs in mexico, then "Our Man In Mexico" had to come and fack it all for everybody...Winston Scott and his operation 40 and his Mexican operatives "The Litempos", then the CIA took the gloves off with the abduction-torture-murder of Kiki Camarena and started sinking Mexico in a more than 30 year old blood bath of murder and disappearances.

      Delete
  29. @9:54 AM
    It's not about inflation if you review the rates and cost of living. The boom comes from removing regulations and lowering individual and company taxes. I just received my bi-monthly check yesterday and there is $179 more dollars due to less federal taxes. That's $4,296 more dollars that I am going to spend and the cycle repeats. The BO strategy of giving away the farm has long passed!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Feb 1 @10:17 AM

      You may want to do some research. Your paycheck could be more not because your taxes are lower, but because less is being withheld. You may be in for an unpleasant surprise come April 15, 2019.

      Delete
  30. Hey Willitos... you can't personally attack a person for making a comment. a couple of you have tried to attack the author of a comment. Just because he/she has an opinion. Just state what you challenge and why. or you are not going to shine on this thread.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Call me Arnoldito Chivis. I’m the short and sassy one compared to the Willitos.

      Delete
  31. Not even going to read comments,hysterical bogus posts about US hate

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. 11:43 the Queen of the Nile would give you her throne,
      but the Arab Springs keeps it out of reach...

      Delete
    2. There are actually some hateful hysterical ones against Mexico too.

      Delete
  32. Great post and very interesting read thanks!

    ReplyDelete
  33. Australia is one of the highest consumers of drugs in the world, but we don't have the murders, executions, extortion, kidnappings etc, that America has - oh yeah, that's right, we have very strict gun control laws. Go figure...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Australia geographically doesn’t have an issues of migrants (a merit based immigration system) or human trafficking. Try again amigo!

      Delete
    2. 3:29PM

      Australia has several well known crime families that were butchering and dismembering bodies as far back as the 80s. Denis Allen, of the infamous Petingill crime family, butchered bodies in the 80s and ran amuck. Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it never happened.

      Delete
    3. Australia was started by criminals exiled from English speaking Europe.... no guns allowed, by order of the Queen....

      Delete
  34. I wrote a rebuttal to lurker without being personal, pointing out weaknesses in his thought but it wasn't posted.

    ReplyDelete
  35. In the Americas gangsters and mafiosos have egos the size of Alaska. They will kill your entire family just to make a point and they won’t lose a minute of sleep. We are cut from a different cloth. Plus the drugs in Australia have been stepped on so many times you can get a better high off of drinking a US addicts piss. Let that picture marinate in you mind for a few minutes 3:29.

    ReplyDelete
  36. Loved the rebuttal...if the average citizen in Mexico could arm them selves you would see more of what dr. Mirelles started...and he’s right, they were unstoppable until the government got involved. Forget about the narcos running the government for a second. People down there turn to the cartels because the government is keeps all the money for them selves, I have a friend in mexicali that would work 8 hours as a bar tender and make only $20 a night...Mexico is a huge area of land with vast resources with so many intelligent people, there is no reason the people have to remain so poor. Back to the point, if they people were armed they could also retake control of their government. There are so many variables here and everyone can make an argument, but as lurker said...a left wing crappy essay with some word majic doesn’t make it right. If the Mexican populace had more money in their pockets they wouldn’t have to turn to cartels as well. I’ve heard the stories about why so and so chose to work for cartels rather then a honest living was because the government doesn’t pay. My friend is a school teacher in mexicali, and now make more money as a FIELD WORKER in the US than on a teacher salary in Mexico. Lots to say about this subject...facny words and quotes don’t make you right

    ReplyDelete

Comments are moderated, refer to policy for more information.
Envía fotos, vídeos, notas, enlaces o información
Todo 100% Anónimo;

borderlandbeat@gmail.com