Monday, August 7, 2017

Foreign Troops in Mexico

Translated by Otis B Fly-Wheel for Borderland Beat from a El Financiero article

Subject Matter: Foreign troops operating in Mexico against El Narco
Recommendation: No prior subject matter knowledge required



Reporter: Raymundo Riva Palacio
After the publication of the transcripts of the conversation between the Presidents of Mexico and the United States on the 27th of January of this year, when Trump said to Enrique Pena Nieto that he was " 100% ready to send American troops to Mexico to kill narco traffickers, the newspaper the Washington Post that revealed the transcription asked, " can Trump send troops to Mexico?

Peter DeShazo, Professor of Latin American Studies at Dartmouth College, responded; "Its improbable that the Mexican Government will permit elite units, like the Green Berets or SEAL's, to confront the drug cartels, or to play a support role to the Mexican units. It is not a unilateral theme. The organized crime is an international concern, and is not a purely domestic theme from Mexico", De Shazo, said that Trump is exceeding what is required. Trump doesn't need to send troops, because his military have been in Mexico for some time.

Not in the form that the Washington Post remembers in the American invasion of 1847-48, or the American flotilla in Veracruz in 1914. This model of intervention corresponds to actions long in the past. The present deployment has distinct face and has been in Mexico for various years, since the dawn of the second world war, there has been a bilateral agreement that both countries can use, without the necessity to solicit authorization, the airports and military bases of each nation in extraordinary situations.




The Washington Post remembers the origins of a re-invigorated military cooperation, when the common narco trafficking problem produced a tactical alliance to confront them, weighed against the mistrust of the Mexican Army. That mistrust from Washington led to the central support remaining with the Mexican Marines. An important group of Mexican Marines were trained by the Marines of the United States to the same level as the SEAL's for Sea, Air and Land, the acronym for the special operations force which is the most sophisticated in the Navy.



The Americans trained them at their facilities in Virginia and Southern California, from which came three elite commando units built in the image of the American units, located at bases in Mexico City, Veracruz and Acapulco. US SEAL's are featured in the most spectacular and well known operations of several wars including the invasions of Panama and Afghanistan and the death of Osama Bin Laden, and tactically led the Mexican Commandos who killed Arturo Beltran Leyva, the lethal drug lord in 2009.

The CIA has also worked with Mexican Commandos, whom it upgraded through private contractors in secret facilities near Mexico City. The CIA, although not military, was key in the first capture of Joaquin El Chapo Guzman in Mazatlan, where US SEAL's also participated.

These participation's in Mexico are prior to Trump, and are still kept secret. The public is only  regularly informed of joint exercises by the armed forces. From 2014 to 2016, the Washington Post reported, that joint programs between the two forces had increased by 20%, ranging from intelligence sharing to air attacks, as well as land and sea attacks to drug cartels from Central to North America, as well as legal counsel to US Military Lawyers for the observance of human rights.

In that period, he added, $27 million has been earmarked to train Mexican Commandos, from close quarter combat to beach invasions. The last exercise was last July, when the Mexican Air Force, in coordination with the Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command, held the third joint exercise, Amalgam Eagle, at Hermosillo Military Air Base.



The way in which the Pentagons inclusion and participation and assistance in the Mexican Armed Forces has been deep, although it does not respond to the obsolete category of analysis that Trump presented to Pena Nieto, nor to the way that Washington Post posed the dilemma of the telephone conversation between the two Presidents.

The Post, strangely, took the case of the Colombian Military Units that train together with the Special Forces of the 7th US Army Battalion to ensure that domestic policy in Mexico would not allow such a decision. Error.

That is already happening, in a deeper way, without seeming to have imported to the Mexican opposition the way in which, in particular to the Navy, they were grafted with strategic models of security of the American Navy.

There will be no troops marching on Mexican territory, even if there is an authorization from the Government and Congress, because they are not really needed. The fight against drug trafficking will not come to victory if only force is used. It requires intelligence and disarticulating their financial and money laundering networks to dehydrate their organizations, coupled with action completely different to WW2 type battles, with battalions in the trenches, but with elite units performing surgical operations such as those against Beltran Leyva or more recently, against Felipe de Jesus Perez Luna, Los Ojos, the leader of drug sellers who was shot dead in Tlahuac a few days ago in the car when he was trying to flee.

To this Trump and whomever came late to history. US Military with operational and decisions making capacity in Mexico, have long come to stay.

Original article in Spanish at El Financiero


58 comments:

  1. Trunp sending troops won't make a difference

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    1. 623 . I have to agree with you to some extent . Overtly sending recognizable troops to mexico to combat a very covert drug cartel would be a total failure . The way it is done assisting and training is a success . Sure you can recite the times that these trained assholes turned but the overwhelming majority is still down there fighting the cartel . I wont call this fight a success but weighing it all out I wont call it a failure either . It is costing the drug traffickers every day and costing them heavily .

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  2. Considering the fact that there is so much corruption within the Mexican police and among elected public officials, sending in some U.S. special op military units sounds like a very good idea. But it is very unlikely to happen because Mexican pride will not allow foreigners to solve its problems, especially not the Gringos.

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    1. Did you actually read the article? it clearly states that US Spec Ops have been operating in the country for many years, so your assertion of "its unlikely to happen" , it has already happened and continues to happen, you just don't get to know about it.

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    2. I think he talks about boots on the ground like panama.

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    3. You obviously don't know the many federal agencies (and their private contract mercenaries) operating in mexico. They love all the drug money that fuels their black ops.

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    4. I have read that the US dept. of defense is real sensitive about the School of the Americas graduates crimes and the accusations, that have been leveled against them.
      That is the reason the US hired special forces of contractors tk do their torturing in cahoots with Iraqi police commanders and officers and more independent contractors with a lot to lose to help capturing and torture suspects, even murder a lot of them. These mercenary special forces have been in action a over LatinAmerica, and some have been denounced, specially one, lt col James Steele, a butcher torturer in el Salvador and honduras, a young american lieutenant David Petraeus went to work with him in El Salvador and got so impressed that took Steele with him as a contractor, in charge of a lot of the mayhem that happened there, I guess he has been in mexico doing what he does best, murdering any and all suspects or comma.ding all the sicarios he can to do it for him.
      But it is all ok, as long as the mercenaries can't be identified, much less as members of the US armed forces.
      Who is the private contractors handling the shit?
      "Why Do Private Armies Fight America's wars?/ NowThis
      ...US Rejects UN Mercenary Report.../ youtube
      Private military contractors promise more efficiency, but in fact make wars.last longer to keep milking their open ended contracts, private military armies also push for cuts in regular armed forces personnel to create vacancies for themselves, as in iraq and afghanistan, these days the private military corporations hire cheaper mercenaries from third world countries to prote ct their hard earned billion dollars windfalls, they don't hire the best but the worst of the world's mercenaries,
      --Unity Resource Group, DynCorp, Defion International, Triple Canopy, Erinys, G4S, , Blackwater, Executive Outcomes, Blackrock, Halliburton, Academi, Xe, Blackrock among the biggest, of course, they have ma y Hispanics an asians, and have lots of openings for North Koreans, those will be making 1p cents a week, USD...

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    5. My brother has been a seal for 6 yrs. He said hez been to veracruz twice. Stricly in a tutorial role. Never boots on the street.
      He said blackwater type commandos are the only american boots in the streets other than dea/cia.

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    6. Boots on the ground will only get there if the private companies mercenaries get overrun, most likely when the powers that be get sick and tired that each foreign mercenary makes more money in one week than a mexican 5 star mexican general "Diplomado de Estado Mayor" makes in one year...
      Much of the money the US "gives to mexico" has bow ties attached, it is to be spent in US second hand guns, tanks, helicopters and mercenaries until the loot can sustain tbem.

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    7. And you wonder why they call the CIA Cocaine Import Agency.
      No doubt the 2 biggest cartels are the CIA and DEA.

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    8. Another millennial conspiracy theory, ugh.

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    9. Conspiracy theory? Educate yourself! Have you heard of Iran Contra where US military planes were flying cocaina and weapons for right wing death squads like Fed Ex? And using drug revenue to help overthrow a democratically elected government that would not lay down for Dole and the other big US business?

      Also only 8 years ago the CIA's Gulfstream II jet crashed with 4 tons of pure cocaina - back when 4 tons of cacox was serious serious investment - 8x-10x what it is today. CIA, DEA, politicians de USA are all connected to drug money as the banks in USA too. Your government is no less corrupt than Mexico and no more a humanitarian than Chapo. You need to do yourself favor and recognize reality and get out of the Trump bubble (Vicente Fox could beat his ass by the way; jaja)

      I know many years from when we were boys two of Señor Hector Palma's sons (el Güero) and he is lucky to be alive because like Quintero, Amado (RIP) and even Vicente Carrillo he worked with Americans and paid to play. Why you think Azul and Quintero are scared hiding where they can not enjoy their wealth? USA has more blod on its hands than Mexico ever will.
      _^^_

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    10. Seems about right there is also the Dumb Entrapment Association.

      Managed by several groups of cronies.

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    11. @2:35 Mr _^^_ ;
      u know your shit!! I wish u wrote more

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    12. 9:31 All I know is insecurity and that like Mencho my life will be short even though I look old from cocaina and whiskey. All that is good for me is that my children will not know hunger, insecurity, or much about me. I came from dirt, hunger and violence but I accept my choices because my children are good, will study, have marriage, and they were raised by good mother and a man who kissed them and put them in bed everynight because I was not there.
      I do not regret my decision because of where my children might have lived as the son of a bastard, but I dream of what a real life would have been like.
      Menchos days are numbered
      _^^_

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  3. Yeah because killing narcobosses has worked so well in the past

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    1. Well, kill some and send some home to the US as latin curiós, afterror all, private Corporate Corrections of America need some well behaved prisoners with millions of dollars that can buy a lot of their expensive cheetos and maruchan, no good will be done by killing big capos...

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    2. 7:51
      Maybe not because it works but because they deserve not to live !!!
      Whithout this war they would be setting up next to you telling you what to do . Without a fight they will expand infinitely .

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    3. Oh no, they should just leave them there to grow like cancer cells until they become powerful enough to dictate your every move. Whether they kill the bosses or not they still are going to keep duplicating, when they kill one boss cells from the same group tend to split and grow from there sometimes they even try to gain control of the same group. If the bosses don't get taken out those organizations just keep growing adding more & more drug trafickers into their organization which ends up giving them more power over other things like governments... With smaller drug traficking cells is different because they have less power which sometimes makes them fight for control of territory, but it's less harder for the governement to deal with them if they know where they operate.

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  4. No wonder even bad powerful hombres respect the mexican marines. Because they are lethal if you mess with them. No kiddn... LOL

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    1. I trained with Mexican marines in the 90's, they're patriots, tough and loyal however their officer corps where mostly the complete opposite.

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    2. 12:44 Pos a Güebo, por eso hay disciplina militar, and chain o' command, to keep grunts under the hairy balls of their commadners arseholes.
      Soldiers should have a UNION INDEPENDENT OF OFFICERS AND COMMANDERS IN CHIEF to look after them.
      --narcos should have rights too, life insurance and minimum wage laws for them with right to sue for back wages enforceable in court, and indemnizations for their heirs.

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  5. America fix your problems first. If we need troops outside, Syria is where we need them.

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    1. And North Korea

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    2. Ok 8:38, and if we need practice, we'll come down and take out mencho for ya. I'm sure it would only take hrs.

      Cpt. Rommel

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    3. Why on earth would you suggest we invade Syria more than we already have? The Syrian people are on the verge of taking back their country from Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, ISIS and you think we should attack them? Yes fix America's problems first before attacking / invading yet anoter country.

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    4. Syria started it's own civil war. The people of Syria. They asked for US to help.

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  6. Thanks for The article but it will not solve The Problem as You dont go to The corrupt politicians.

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    1. Agree the Mexican politicos r the problem. Not marines

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    2. 3:27 mercenaries will take anything, even marines entering mexico by mistake to sell their weapons in tijuas, BUT 8:43 Did not mention which side's politicians...
      Tell you wbat, US politicians if Democrat get bought with a few million dollars, the republicans get bribed with billions and billions of dollars while mexican pooliticians are allowed to deposit their ill gotten gains where US government can confiscate it.

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    3. Agree. US banker r the laundry

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  7. Navy seals aint no joke

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    1. I think you meant to write the joke is on the navy seals

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  8. Sending in troops does sound like a good idea. These 'special ops' units from US that have been operating and using the decapitation strategy obviously only makes the problem worse. Most towns are under Narco control, the Mexican govt sends in the army, federal police, marines, etc and do the ppl ever feel safe? If those were American troops, I can only imagine how much joy and relief the Mexican citizens will feel.

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  9. Rrriiiiight, just ask dog the bounty hunter how it worked out. Ocupas permiso de Mexico no de los gringos.

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  10. Now if only spec opps can keep us from loving nose candy.

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  11. The US and Mexican elite can only come up with one strategy to any problem they are faced with: repression (=guns, military, police, bombs blackhawks etc.).

    These elites are so completely devoid of any connection to reality to realize that repression (alone) does not solve any problem. In fact it creates more problems than it solves.

    The drug trade is rooted in the following social problem:
    1. Poverty
    2. Corruption
    3. Demand

    As we have seen after 30 years of WoD: repression has lead to that today we have more, cheaper and strnger drugs than ever before.

    But hey, if some oligarchs are profiteering handsomely from the WoD's why spoil the party?

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    1. Now that's a smart man right there!!
      Most people don't realize that the 1% is running all the show.

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    2. 12:24 before your paint by numbers blame assigning, greed had to figure out what to do to corner it's market, then the greedy bastards found drugs were a real desired commodity and that they could make money even from persecuting and prosecuting the demonized illegal drug traffickers that used to be their former paid workers...

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  12. now all we need is the spec opps to stop gringos from our addiction to nose candy

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  13. The originals zetas recieved special forces training from American Green Berets ..Many GAFES recieve specialized training from America and other countries rhen start working for the cartels .

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  14. i think that 40% of american foot soldiers will be bought

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  15. The US has been there for years.

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    1. Yup keeping it corrupt

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  16. Most Americans' deaths comenstntue hand of the cartels, both direct and inderect. It would truly benefit every true Mexican (those who do good) to have American forces on their soil, along with the great Mexican Armed Forces

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    1. The great mexican forces are a bunch of criminals with their murdering heads up the jundillos of their commanders and ginirals and their commander in chief, they believe in the principle of "obedience due", they are facked up, and the US has trained their high command in their image and likeness.

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  17. La Marina is no joke either. They just don't get as much hype as the Seals.

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    1. Yeah that's true but nowhere near the Seal's level

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    2. 6:49 yea because the Mexican marines have yet 2 have their very own Kristen Beck within their ranks. - Sol Prendido

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  18. The US troops have been in Mexico for years now but only for support as in a few troops operating with the marina as backup, they're not there in teams or operating independently like some think.. That will never happen! either way US support troops are there as backup only they don't lead the teams or anything like that either, they are not allowed to do that shit lol but yea some are there in MX

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    1. What's interesting to me is that the Marina works independently from the rest of Mexico's military. The concept isn't uncommon but what is uncommon is the Commander of the Marina basically answers to no one but EPN. He doesn't have to divulge operations information to anyone. He can invite US forces to Mexican soil and allow them to carry firearms without getting approval from the government.

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  19. Operation "Bench the Mench" should start ASAP. Mencho and his tweeking minions are in too many lanes and causing too much havoc. If history is any indication the US typically goes after the instigator cartels more often than the others. At this point Mencho should be considered public enemy number one.

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    1. Menchos days are numbered
      _^^_

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  20. Please annihilate the cartels before it's too late. One day they will be stronger than any government on the planet and we'll all become slaves to the criminals.

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  21. Trump needs to set up joint bases in Mexico. Make it public and send our best to fuck these scums up that make the drugs that kill thousands of Americans

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  22. Maybe we should call in Russian Spetsnaz to fix Mexico's problems, since the US is too busy right now in the Middle East.

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