Wednesday, September 7, 2016

Helicopter shot down in Michoacan

 Borderland Beat with C.E.M.  with information from Tully of forum

Five killed, yesterday including three agents aboard the helicopter patrolling the area

Researching through information published in mainstream, blog and social networking communities, a pilot and three state police were killed when a state police helicopter was shot down, (50 cal)this yesterday  around Cupuán del Rio, Michoacán, about 30 miles south of Apatzingán. The location is on the road leading to Tumbiscatío, a CT stronghold. Tumbiscatio was the site of many search efforts and gun clashes during the search for La Tuta.  Readers may recall autodefensas narrowly missing Tuta at his mother’s ranch, and their search of the adjacent caves.  The area is largely difficult or impossible to access by land.


The violence started when a group of CT including "El Papas," the brother of CT leader Ignacio Rentería Andrade (El Cenizo), and "El Cabezas" attempted to kidnap a farmer in the area.


El Cenizo, who acted as the right hand of La Tuta, was captured in February of this year, in Zihuatanejo, Guerrero, which is on the border of Michoacán and Guerrero. (Cenzio at left)


Another group of armed civilians reacted to the kidnapping and killing "El Papas."  Other reports say the civilians were responding to the kidnapping were members of "Los Viagras."  Meaning; this as a clash between two groups of narcos.

After the shootout and killing of "El Papas," state authorities were dispatched to the area by land and air.  In this pursuit, CT gunmen shot down the state police helicopter.  The pilot and three police were killed, and another was seriously injured.


After the downing of the helicopter and the increased patrols sent in response, CT gunmen began hijacking  and burning  vehicles on the main toll road in the area (Autopista Siglo XXI) to stop the progress of security forces arriving in the area.


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Aircraft have been shot down prior to yesterday’s attack in the same area of Tierra Caliente.  This one was patrolling the area, which is difficult to patrol by land. These aircraft attacks differentiate from the 2015 Jalisco attack by CJNG, by the sophistication of weaponry and planning of defense that El Mencho has in his arsenal.  Mencho has made weaponry a priority and it is my opinion he has accumulated the greatest narco cache of superior weapons than any other organized crime group in Mexico.  Mencho has proven himself to be, calculating with excellent foresight, and alertness.  He and  leader, Chapito Isidro pose the most danger to Mexico if not stopped.  Both leaders are similar in nature and neither fall into the narco high life of Rolex's and buchonas, but rather keep a obscure low profile, while conducting their business.

With the information that is known, and although Los Viagras are in the area and are allied with Mencho, I do not think they conducted this attack, it makes more sense it was CT.

88 comments:

  1. Actually, it is unsubstantiated that the helicopter was shot down. There are too many conflicting stories as mentioned in some articles. There is an ongoing investigation to see if it was shot down, pilot error or engine failure. No one saw rocket fire.

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    1. it was confirmed according to mainstream account

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    2. PS...by the Michoacan attorney general

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    3. The Governor of Mich. made an error in an interview this a.m. on Televisa. He implied they weren't sure if it was shot down.

      The Head of the National Security Commission, Renato Sales, stated this a.m. they're sure the chopper was shot down.

      There are no local or national stories doubting whether it was shot down.

      http://www.milenio.com/policia/michoacan_tierra_caliente-derriban_helicoptero_Huacana-templarios_milenio_noticias_0_806919371.html

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    4. Confirmed shoot down --- National Security Commission Director Renato Sales told Radio Fórmula on Wednesday that the gang used a .50-caliber Barrett rifle to bring down the aircraft.

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    5. Or maybe a passenger aboard the hell ate too many guaraches co too many frijoles...
      --renato sales is corrupt and a crook, ok? or he would not be fronting the PGR, aaight? It is not like he will say the motherfacking junk fell off the sky because it ran out of gas.

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    6. @ baboso 6:26 PM. The frijoles joke is OK. Beer gives me the farts. But, Renato Sales is corrupt. He'll do anything to downplay narco violence in MX. That's why we can be sure if he says the chopper was shot down it WAS shot down. Read and learn.

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    7. I think the Mexican Government waited too long and CJNG is way stronger and militarized,I remember 2 years a ago a couple guys were going up and down California buying what ever they could get there hands on for CJNG, A close friend of mine said they picked up a few 9K32 strela from some russians in LA along with a
      small radar system,going to be hard to beat them

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    8. I'm jose and I was driving back to texas on the mexican toll rd from huetamo, michoacán Tuesday around 2:00pm i did notice a black with tan stripe on the side helicoper made a boom sound like when a engine quits on the blue angels air show, i wanted to go see if it crash landed was going downward in a circular way, but it seemed he landed fine i heard no explosion even a taxicab in a slugbug Santiago from morelia said tu oyieste eso he even said si como que la turbinafallo (whatever that is) but it did not have mexican official seal underneath the chopper, local police pjr were the ones that had the south bound toll block off like they knew it was gonna go down and that chopper maybe 4 passengers should been the limit one guy on each side with a big rifles looking thru scopes was flying low then up again and staying close to the toll rd. I wanted to tell them pJr police at the road block but they had like 12 trucks & suv heading south bound towards the Sierra. My respects if people died, it happens to American soldiers alot too. Mechanical failure is what me and the taxi driver santiago from morelia agreed on.this happend Tuesday the 6th, so it may not be this one here. If mexican officials need more info tell them to use translate because is the truth and that's all I witnessed, Santiago was the one who even said to not look for a police to tell them, I probably get blamed because I'm not a local I said gracias señor. That's why I kept my mouth shut when the border agent said tiene algo de declarar I said no tengo tres Bolsa de dulces, y solo fui a un velorio de mi tio.(one year death anniversary)

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  2. Small arms fire can down any helicopter within range. Otherwise you're better off with a .50 caliber for greater distances. Every aircraft has a its weak spot. - El Sol Perdido

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    1. Very much so. Had a neighbor who was a two tour 1st Calvary huey pilot and he recalled being downed or forced landings due to battle damage no fewer than 17 times. He himself was wounded 7 times.

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    2. Just for fun.......google what constitutes 'small arms fire'.... a .50 caliber round is considered small arms fire.

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    3. @12:21..If a chopper can be engaged when it's low and slow, a sudden barrage of 7.62mm fire can be devastating if it's accurate.

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    4. Good luck hitting an aircraft at cruising speed with a rifle. It ain't gonna happen. That said..if the aircraft were trying to land, or take off....well that's a different story.

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    5. El Sol Perdido.......you've been watching too many movies in your mamis basement again....lololo Time to go outside and get some fresh air son.

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  3. Why do you attack us Sinaloenses chiva, do you prefer Michoacanos?

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    1. Where in the hell those she attack sinaloas? Plus no real sinaloa checks borderlanbeat only wananna bes its mostly muchocanos from california who visit this blog

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    2. I dont he is attacking sinaloenses. But honestly all that hype about sinaloa is just a bunch of B.S. think about it, chapo get cought no shots fired. Chapos sons get kidnapped and no shot fired. The ppl from michoacan weather its mencho, C.T, or F.M. those mofos got out swingin like real g's no bullshit like the culichis

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    3. No respect for snitches like chapo that's all

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    4. Lol too funny but I did not read anything that chivis wrote that favors michoacanos over sinaloenses. That was a good laugh though haha

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    5. @9:31....ya way better to get shot up, or worse tortured. A smart mega rich guy puts his hands up, and let's his lawyers, and plebes take care of the shit work. CDS buys governments support. That's why those guys have stayed on top so long. They pay the best. It's so simple. All these guys are snitches, killers, and greedy bastards. EVERY ONE of them. Funny how you keyboard gangstas talk so much shit. Mencho and Isidro are just as big of snitches and liars as the rest. He's just the hot name. Soon he will be killed, or hopefully locked up, so you guys see the difference in how he's treated. Straight to US Supermax, after some real nice torture from the Mexican police for all his cowardly attacks on police and innocents. He refuses to play the game, so the game will play him.

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    6. @9:31 am its all about intelligence any one can shoot a gun and kill cops from every cartel you think CDS doesn't have the weapons to take down helicopters ? Its bad for business ; it attracts too much attention . Remember the helicopters that el Mayo was willing to give to DR mireles or autodefensas that is not a joke that's all military grade weaponry that cost alot of money . You michoacanos and every other cartel are 20 years behind the Sinaloa Cartel.

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    7. Maybe it's caro quintero again puting heat on michoacan like when he dumped camarena in michoacan when he killed him. Too put the heat there

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    8. CDS is like the brand name clothing line that everyone likes to wear but have no practical use in everyday living. Only good for going out and showing off to the mujeres. CJNG is like the rough and tough work clothing that you can wear in any environment and not be afraid to get dirty. How can silk shirts and $400 jeans compete with that? You make fun of the Michoacanos for being 20 years behind Sinaloa but can the CDS match their heart and determination. Michoacanos have a chip on their shoulder and they want respect. If it's not given to them they will just simply take it. The US military was vastly superior to the Vietnamese but the Vietnamese didn't give up. The Russians were light years ahead of the Afghani tribes in the 80's but the Afghan fighters kicked the Russians out. There are many stories throughout history of people who were out matched and out numbered but they still found a way to win. In the cartel world that just maybe the Michoacanos.

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    9. The only good narco trafficker is a dead narcotics trafficker . I am not prejudice . I hate them all equally . They need more clashes with each other . The marines seem to ALWAYS kick the shit out of them . Dumb fucks hopped up on their own shit . Don't have enough smarts to pour piss out of a boot with instructions written on the bottom of the boot .
      Some people see these fuckers as smart because they compile $$$$ . Look at the ZETAS . Brutality don't equal smart . Who the hell would try and use a race horse operation to launder money ? Yea that who Pinche pendejos

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    10. @ 11.22 the USA helped the Afghan defeat the Soviets

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    11. the question is why did mencho let the sinaloenses go ?? no que muy cabrones??? michoacanos always talk shit about sinaloenses but never say anything quando los tienen de frente ??

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    12. 9:31 you must live in a cave I swear. 5 of Chapos bodyguards were killed protecting him last time he was arrested near Los Mochis and a Marine was wounded. The raid on his ranch a month earlier was completely repelled by Chapos security detail. The Mexican govt does not want many people to know that. Do some research buddy otherwise you just sound stupid talking lies.

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    13. Lol there is a reason sinaloa is where it's at friend and too many of us have died trying to prove some thing that's why we don't need to anymore, plenty of chinolas have died guns blazing living up to Their Claves. sinaloa tiene pantiones leños de valientes but they got smart can't blame them. Remember pablo Escobar brought himself and his cartel down with his actions while cali prospered laying back and letting the vultures eat each other. Sinaloa doesn't care if you like em, hate em or try to be cool with them they do them and that's it. But I'll tell you this everyone trys to be like them from the way they talk to the way they dress, listening to their music, ect. It is what it is

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    14. Sinaloa is all hype no action just in their corridos. The reason they have power in diferent cities is because government back up not because of the thousand talivanes with rpg, brave and ready to die like an any sinaloa fake corrido. 8:08 I only see dumb kids trying to be from sinaloa of any, kind of like the white boy that wants to be black because of lil Wayne lol same shit

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    15. How is Sinaloa all hype ?? Do you see the murder rate ? They bussin out there back to back

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    16. You must be from Michoacan lol all those boys do is talk shit lol. Mencho and his band of culos could never live up to anything the Mazatlecos and Mochomera have done those are Guerreros and most went out guns blasting. Mazatlan, guasave Mochis y sinaloa de leyva been bout it Culichis all talk just like the Michiganes lol

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  4. Sad to say but in order to bring some much neede stability to this area Mencho has to take full control.

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    1. Didn't a helicopter get shot down when they were pursuing mencho a while back?
      Whose to say it wasn't cjng being chased n downed the helicopter?

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    2. Long term if U.S could legalize would solve all kinds of issues. :-)

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    3. Look we all saw EPN recently. Frankly, does really have the power to change it all? I think not. I would not want his job. How many politicians did Pablo Escobar kill?

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    4. 1:28 plenty, but the politician friends of pablo killed him, and stole all his money and his business, and rode it to presidente, not all of them, but cesar gaviria, and alvaro uribe velez sure did...

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  5. Update: The only survivor of the crash died early this morning, meaning a total of five killed in the atack:

    https://www.quadratin.com.mx/principal/fallece-unica-sobreviviente-derribo-helicoptero-en-la-huacana/

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    1. Pinchis yonkes de helicopteros, este de seguro era reciclado de la guerra de Vietnam, el gobierno mexicano "paga" por ellos como si fueran unos Boeing AH APACHE 64 del año, heheheee...
      El gobierno de mexico es tan culero que los Mandan sin gas fuel oil o tumban sus propios yonkes to blame el chapo, or la mencha o al Doctor Mireles...

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    2. Total I agree the mexicon armament is yonke..airplanes .old rusty . Tanks that make me laugh. .one thee military.. armament mexico is not not a match in any war..on the military paredes . yonke armament ...make me .laugh. ....




      paredez

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    3. Parades, desfiles, I love marching armies, be it nazis, Koreans, russians, americans, North Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, specially the military women, they cute...

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  6. Chapo isidro is the only crazy and loyal he was the Boss of a hit squad for the beltran leyva , he aint to play whit not even cholo vago was able to stop him well in reality neither of the could kill each other son muy bravos los sinaloenses

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    1. Chapo isidro se anda escondiendo como vieja nomas porque le balconiaron a toda su familia.
      "ay no, ya no juego" pinchi mamón,
      pero ahi andaba de caliente

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  7. If you catch these misguided young men give them a big Liberal hug and make them promise to reform!
    LMAO!
    The Punisher

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    1. You're a copycat I put The Punisher a while ago.
      For you and all copycats outhere be yourself and be original. That's all.

      The real Punisher.

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    2. The punished would get killed in Mexico, for sure.

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  8. RPG, Ah. Vice-City, Homes.

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  9. what about a bomb explosion ?

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  10. Chapo is weak he never shot down a helicopter

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    1. Chapo probably was responsible 4 planning the flight schedule, so he never had to shoot one down!

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    2. Chapo and Mayo especially together are the smartest cats in the history of the game....ones never been caught, the other buys his way out. They learned from the old school Italian,Jewish, and Irish mobs. Don't fight and kill the pigs, buy them. You live longer. Chapo weak ay? Why did his family get spared? How come no one has killed him, on the outside or in prison? Because his wallet is the fattest, and he pays the best.

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    3. Yea Escobar had billions and he went down fighting like a real gangster. Chapito runs like rat and leaves his people behind. Smart? Maybe! Honorable in narco world? Not! All these Sinaloa corridos talking about fighting and shooting and bravery and the leader keeps getting caught without out fighting himself. I agree with Chivis, Mencho is not the rollex wearing, sing me 1000 corridos about how great I am kind of guy. Mencho and his partners are about power, control and market share. Just look at how much territory the have in such a short time. CDS can't control Sinaloa! You have to admit funding the AD to get rid of CT was a great move. I should add the military was also in cahoots with Mencho in getting the AD started, a convoy of soldiers were in Tepalcatepec training people on how to shoot assault rifles in start of the AD movement.

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    4. Chapo is an idiot. Who starts a war in every other cartels terroritory and expect to win? Even Pablo Escobar couldn't get rid of all his competitors and he was way more feared than Chapo or Mayo. There are people in history who did things similar to Chapo and they all failed miserably. He will be no different except he will live the rest of his life in a prison. He won't be remembered for what he did but for what he couldn't achieve. If Mencho is garnering for a working truce between the other major cartel that will definitely change the game for all of Mexico. If the CDS doesn't play ball their will play out just like in the movie The Godfather all of the heads of the other 5 families will line up against them. Then their political protection will run for cover and wait until the dust settles.

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    5. Escobar? Really? Yeah man, he's real gangster..... You young impressionable kids. Pablo Escobar was complete trash. A real pathetic piece of shit. He ordered the bombings of several buildings and an airplane that killed so many children, parents.... Yeah he was a real badass dude. What a role model.

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    6. I didn't say that being a real gangster is a good thing. I agree was a complete syco. If you have the balls to kill people you shouldn't turn into a pussy when confronted by your enemies or the law

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    7. All narcos are trash not just Escobar. Mexican narcos are actually the trashiest at the moment. Pablo did what he had to do when the Colombian government took his money but did not live by their agreement. The blood of those innocents are on the hands of the government just as much as Pablo's.

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    8. Are you serious? In no way shape or form that's what Pablo "had" to do, as you so eloquently put it. That's like saying ISIS or al queada did what they had to do. I hope you don't have children. A good firm slap to your face is in order.

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  11. Aqui andamos la gente de mencho tumbando moscos en michoacan

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  12. Update: Las hebillas de los bigotones encandilaron al piloto.

    Why are my comenents never posted? Yet I see posts attacking and name calling others lol.

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  13. Yeah but how far can they go, if both are on the RICO act?

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  14. Cue all the ballistics and helicopter pilot experts who will say the chopper wasn't shot down.. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

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  15. Michoacanos are armed to the teeth. Police killed after so many stories of failled attempts at police men and sicarios all killed.

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  16. Arriva coupan del rio michoacan! That's in a corrido I like, 3 valientes from los Morros del norte

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    1. It's a good corrido too

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  17. The Narcos just killed 5 police, but for God's sake don't hurt them if you capture them.
    Viva Mexico.

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  18. After 8 years of Obama, the peace prize winner, his wars and proxy wars and extra-judicial killings are in the millions!
    Killary will be much of the same!
    Can we give him an award for Human rights too.

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  19. you could not be more correct chivis, your analysis of isidro and mencho is sadly correct.

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  20. mencho with viagras-lfm-RCQ the alliance took michoacan in 2/3 most important territory. viagras kidnap harry devert outside huetamo and mencho had him brought into gurerro for killing . el Tigre jefe de plaza for mencho in Zihuatanejo, was arrested along with the leader of Los Viagras, Miariano Sierra Santana. el negro. el negro was hiding in el tigre house. tigre was recommend to mencho by Viagra bros for plaza. all are close friend, all are compadres de chango mendez leader of la familia Michoacana. very close. chango is god father to children of carlos and mariano, Viagra brothers, borderland beat gives accurate statements about these people. more than other blog or newspaper. I recall you said tuta was the last person to know about Viagra alliance to go against tuta. the brothers were with tuta and went on their own but told tuta they would remain in alliance with Templarios. good work borderland beat , you were the first to write about that. I respect the work of bb and know the accuracy of what is written about guerrero and michoacan because I was born and still live in guerrero. I am bilingual. I would like to help with this blog but for now can only promise 1 article a week. I sent an email to chivis but not received a reply , as I know she is busy I would like to also send one to 'dd'.

    dd , could you please post your email address on this thread?

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    1. Awesome post man. I keep hearing CJNG is taking out all independent crews in Michoacan they are taking over the state.

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    2. mencho dislikes La Familia because they kicked him out of Michioacan

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  21. Who runs guerrero? El bravo left a manta few days back to mock the cdn and in it he stated he going after someone or a cell operating in guerrero

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  22. Pensaban que era muy fácil
    para matar un señoron
    pero contesto con plomo
    y nunca se le rajo
    entre la lluvia de balas
    así se les escapo



    A los primeros balazos
    no hubo mucha resistencia
    estaba con su familia
    y no quería perderla
    pero al ponerlos a salvo
    empezó la traquetera

    Seis boludos federales
    en el cielo disparaban
    pero el señor con sus gente
    del suelo les contestaba
    con cuernos y R15
    y tubos lanza granadas

    JR avisaba
    mi padre esta en problemas
    quiero que cierren las calles
    veredas y carreteras
    que nos les llegue el apoyo
    a nosotros no la pelan

    Al saber lo que pasaba
    empezaron los bloqueos
    por todo guadalajara
    y hasta parece un infierno
    su gente bien activada
    presionaron al gobierno

    Fueron seis la que cayeron
    de la gente de la señor
    también murieron azules
    para llenar un panteón
    pero eso nunca lo sacan
    le mienten a la nación

    Donde estaban los amigos
    con los que según contaba
    yo conozco al de la M
    nunca se atiene de nada
    no más jalo su gatillos
    y detono sus ganadas

    Ponga atención señores
    mi nombre es mencho ceguera
    por si quieren encontrarme
    los espero allá en la cierra
    váyanse bien preparados
    porque temblara la tierra

    puro Mencho El Senor de Los Gallos CJNG

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  23. Barret del 50 , lanza granadas RPG , Los Hummer blindados

    andamos cuidando al Senor Mencho

    Atte El Rambo CJNG

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  24. Esto fue obra de un nuevo cartel en michoacan se asen llamar los reptiles de apatzingan

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  25. la tuta is on my cellblock. He is authorized the hit

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  26. You reap what you sow.

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  27. The guys who last in this business are the guys who fly straight n shootdown helicopters but the guys who want all the chicas and the champagne and rolexs -cds - and up in jail with there kids kidnapped

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  28. Too bad this wasn't in the US the government would have sent in apache gunships. In the US if you committ even a small infraction they will send 10 cop cars and a helicopter. Take down a helicopter and they will send in 1000 national guard troops to find you. There is no escape here. The CIA knows where you are at all times.

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    1. We are still blowing up mud huts for what they did on 9/11. Zero tolerance for acts of terror needs to be Mexico's policy in order to win this war

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  29. Michoacanos son culos

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    1. @9:10 The only reason I published this is that I have to have a comment up to make a reply and this was least offensive of all those you posted. What happened? Did you run out of vulgar, rude, disrespectful, and stupid comments?

      You don't know how much I enjoyed deleting all 15 of them that were in a row one right after the other.

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    2. So are jaliscas because they let michoacanos bully them that's why a michoacan cartel took over there state no balls

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      that's sneaking in for justice and enjoyment

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    1. 11:56 are you talkin' to me?

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  31. Reader who trying to guess. You are correct on both accounts! But on the border not my fave S.A. I wanted to buy something there but as a practical matter it doesn't make sense. over 3 hours to the border. ...but good guesses

    Paz

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  32. Desde Tierra Caliente

    Con el mayor respeto. Zihuatanejo Gro está a 120 kilómetros de río Balsas. La frontera con Michoacán .

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