Wednesday, February 10, 2016

'El Chapo' Guzmán would be ready to plead guilty in United States

Posted by DD Republished from material at Univision and the New York Times

 Chapo Guzman suggested to his lawyer, José Refugio Rodríguez, the possible option of reaching an agreement with the United States government to consent to extradition and not fight it in the courts of Mexico. ,  Chapo told his lawyer that he would plead guilty to the drug trafficking charges pending against him in the US.
 
ADX, (Supermax) The Alcatraz of the Rockies;  photo Jamey Stillings for The New York Times
BUT, and that is a big "but", there is basically one condition that would have to be agreed to by US authorities for him to consent to the extradition and plead guilty in the US courts - that he not be "held in a maximum-security prison where he would not have contact with other inmates or where he would not see the light of the sun for more than an hour a day."


Lawyer Rodriquez cautioned that in any plea discussions and Guzman withdrawing his opposition to extradition with US officials that the US would have to realize that his client was not on knees begging the US for a plea deal.  He said that he had 10 motions pending to fight the extradition.  He said they had a strong case that would take years to litigate. 

Rodriquez said he started working on the defense from extradition after Guzman was captured in Los Moches on the day  Guzman was notified that paper work was being prepared requesting his extradition.  While he has not had discussions with any agency or the Justice Dept. in the US, he said he had been talking and having discussion with a US Attorney for over .a year.    

His strongest argument at the present time is that the 2 requests for extradition from the state of Texas and California are invalid.  The requests were made in 2014 when representative for those states went to Mexico City and the paper work was done at the US Embassy.  But the paperwork was signed by Deputy Chief of Administrative Affairs rather than the Ambassador  as required by the rules of the  Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.  He seemed confident in the interview that he would win those cases on appeal   but it might take 3 years of litigation to have those requests for extradition thrown out.  Then the government would have to submit new requests with proper signatures and they would have to start all over again. 


That is why he insists that Chapo will "not be on his knees begging for help when negotiating a deal with the US.   Guzman also told Rodriquez that "after the trial they would have to stop coming after me".   Rodriquez did say that by making a deal on a guilty plea and extradition that it "did not necessarily" mean that Chapo would give information about corrupt politicians.  (In my opinion that is just a defense ploy to dangle the carrot in front of the US officials in trying to negotiate a deal).

Rodriquez gave the interview with Univision, his first on camera interview in his 36 years of practicing law. Rodriguez is defined as "a son of peasants" born in Culiacan, Sinaloa. He grew up and has worked most of his career from a small office in Apatzingan.  Watch univision's video interview here.

Univision reported that  this common origin allowed him to gain the trust of his client in informal talks about corridos songs, women and dolphins, with jokes and memories of his humble childhoods. Such empathy is part of the profile of Guzman, who has always preferred low-profile lawyers and provincial , rather than large firms in Mexico City.

Rodriguez has no secretary or driver.  His is .proud to have grown from a "collector huaraches (sandals)" in rural shops to the, "defender of Chapo Guzman,"  However he seeks in the interview to mark his distance from Chapo. and has never called him "boss".  When referring to Chapo, he never used this nickname that made him world famous, but always addressed him as "Joaquín" or "Mr. Guzman."   He Clarifies that he owes his livelihood to many clients.  

Although he has never given interviews in his career, despite having been involved in several of the most controversial cases of the recent judicial history of the country, their conversation is filled easily anecdotes, recreating details at the slightest provocation.  He blushes when he recalls that Chapo is definitely  his most famous client and had once told him that he  was "the best criminal lawyer in Mexico" .

The request seems to refer to the conditions at the federal ADX prison, known as the supermax or the "Alcatraz of the Rockies," in Florence, Colorado.   The facility holds many of the US's most violent and well-known criminals in relative isolation.  There, every inmate spends roughly 23 hours a day in solitary confinement

Inmates there include Osiel Cardenas, former head of the Gulf Cartel, "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski, 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and former FBI agent Robert Hanssen, who is serving a life sentence for espionage.

Also locked up in Supermax is the godfather of Cardenas' Gulf Cartel, Juan Garcia Abrego, who was convicted in Houston in 1996 and is serving multiple life sentences, along with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind Ramzi Yousef; the Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols; the underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab; and the former Bonanno crime-family boss Vincent Basciano. Michael Swango, a serial-killing doctor who may have poisoned 60 of his patients, is serving three consecutive life sentences; Larry Hoover, the Gangster Disciples kingpin made famous by rappers like Rick Ross

The New York Times once described the daily life of inmates:

"Inmates spend their days in 12-by-7-foot cells with thick concrete walls and double sets of sliding metal doors (with solid exteriors, so prisoners can't see one another). ... Prisoners in the general population are allotted a maximum of 10 hours of exercise a week outside their cells, alternating between solo trips to an indoor "gym" (a windowless cell with a single chin-up bar) and group visits to the outdoor rec yard (where each prisoner nonetheless remains confined to an individual cage).  
outdoor "gym at ADX (photo courtesy of Amnesty International
 All meals come through slots in the interior door, as does any face-to-face human interaction (with a guard or psychiatrist, chaplain or imam). The Amnesty report said that ADX prisoners “routinely go days with only a few words spoken to them.”


 Robert Hood, the warden of the ADX from 2002 to 2005 told the NYT that when inmates complained to him, he would tell them, “This place is not designed for humanity,” he recalled. “When it’s 23 hours a day in a room with a slit of a window where you can’t even see the Rocky Mountains — let’s be candid here. It’s not designed for rehabilitation. Period. End of story.”

Even though El Chapo complained about his accommodations in the Altiplano Supermax in Mexico after the second or third day he was there, it is understandable why he would want to negotiate with the US for better accomodations than the Alcatraz of the Rockies.    





120 comments:

  1. So this lawyer was born in culiacan, sinaloa but raised in apatzingan, michoacan. Interesting..

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    1. Sinaloa set the roots for most criminal organizations operating in mexico past present and future. El Azul along with some CAF set the precedent in Michoacan to where it's now. Beltran-Leyva until hectors arrest were operating in Guerrero for the longest. Cochiloco Chapo Nacho Jalisco etc..

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    2. 6:17 not really, but partly true. Michoacanos emerged from cartel del golfo but were independent for the most part. It's true about jalisco but mencho "michoacano" now has that cartel and Jalisco on lock. With guerrero, yea, Beltranes were running it but now it's up for grabs with Cjng and la familia. But yea, your right on Calderon "Michoacano"was on office because of CDS that's why he never went after CDS

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    3. There ya go, there you have it, the sinaloa are responsible for most of mexicos warzones, they contributed a lot to the creations of all those other criminal groups, sinaloa, jalisco, D.F, that is where the main problems are created. If some one was really trying to change the things in mx. That is what they would go after. All those places! Not just one. Lots of power in there. Any body that gets all of them entirely, would be capable of ruling all of the mexicans, for better or for worse!

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    4. All the money from all of mexico flows to Mexico DF, INCLUDE that from drug trafficking...and some makes it back for the perros that keep the indiada and the proles under control.
      --Sam giancanna ran to morelos state in the 60's, his nephew married a Sinaloa state beauty queen that soon got murdered, santo trafficante took tin-tan to cuba and his girlfriend to colombia, and the televisos emilio azcarragas have always been Houston citizens with money laundering banks of the hank gonzalez/hank rohns in texas and CALIFORNIA US AND MEXICO...
      --all those people do not care about no prison riots in mexico or on the boondocks of monterrey...

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  2. Yeah after he finishes snitching

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    1. This all sounds like the movie "American Gangster" which I almost guarantee that's what Chapo is going to do, and when they are done using him, he will be killed...

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  3. Chapo's rancherito days are over...now for the rest of his life, he will be caged like a monkey!

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    1. 11:06 ...and you can go back to being el rancherote kissing peña nieto's ass...

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    2. A monkey is right . I say no deals . It don't matter if it takes 10 years , do it on the U.S. terms . Fuck him . Besides he cant do us federal time in Mexico . If he sits in there fighting extradition it wont be counted off hi us time . It don't matter how crooked Mexico is , he aint busting out again . Mexico would be the laughing stock of the world .
      Your only hope to see freedom is to live to be 120 . MAYBE

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    3. 10:32 the news is, MEXICO IS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
      and it is not because of el chapo, or because he escaped, it is so because of the narco-politicos rateros that can't even steal decently and can not govern at all but have made of mexico a shit cake and a pig Sty in a giant narcofosa...in cahoots with the US and their death squads.

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  4. Chapo probably wants to try his hand @ escaping a U.S prison, so hes like "i'll plead guilty just no max security please" haha

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  5. He'll probably escape before he gets sent to the U.S. Let's be real, he knows too much about the mexican politicians, they'd never let him leave to the U.S unless it was in a coffin.

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    1. Testifying about "mexican politicians" not needed, not required, not allowed, denied...because of National Security Agency concerns, the implicated, could implicate important influential american citizens, AND the US justice system of Corporate Corrections of Amerikkka does not have the facilities to host that many crooks, who also are their partners and investors, they are mostly reserved for black or mexican poor and broke arses that should have known better than become cannon fooder for the rich drug traffickers and money laundering banksters.

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    2. True story 8:12. But make it a little more simple for those that can't understand

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    3. I don't need those that can't understand, I write for those that WANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE SPECIALLY WELCOME,
      --I know most BB comments fans are smart enough, but I ain't shaving my head for them...

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  6. Free el chapo. Cant believe you guys still think chapo will step foot in the US. That will bever happen unless he is here shopping. Chapo has gotten away 2 times and def will give up the third. Not happening.

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    1. He is definitely going to get extradited this time and like the other cartel bosses,He will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

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  7. El chapo will snitch on himself

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  8. Lets be honest. If chapo doesn't give up information than he is useless. The CIA should have killed him instead of helping to capture him. They could have just given el chapo cancer like they have given 6 south american leaders that opposed them.

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    1. Who are those six leaders? Source?

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    2. This nopale might have just made an interesting point

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    3. Hugo Chavez is one I would like to know the rest

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    4. Salvador Allende and el Che Guevara are two more, well it was not cancer, they got shot, and the cancer of drug trafficking, robbing, murdering, kidnapping and torturing was unleashed all over LatinAmerica...
      --that cancer has been eating at the credibility of the US as a world leader of democracy and Christian values for more than 45 years, but what the hell...
      --henry kissinger applauds hillary, (and I guess obama), the night attacks of US death squads keep a lid on the US and partners in the crime of state sponsored and fully owned terrorism...

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    5. "Lets be honest. If chapo doesn't give up information than he is useless. The CIA should have killed him instead of helping to capture him."

      Good point. Except... I doubt chapo and his compadres are really being used just to gather "info" on the mexican side about "politicians" there gots to be something more to it!

      All of that 're-capturing' stuff, was an teater act and JGL was the bad actor of the "scene".

      I'm willing to bet 100Billion dollars to the real owners of the CIA, that.. He escapes for the third time! Any "high class" shenanigans up for it!?!?! ..

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    6. I was pretty happy to see Chavez go, no matter how it happened. :-)

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    7. That nuckle head of hugo chavez and those billions of dollars from all of that petroleum, meanwhile venezuela broke as nepal. Crooks

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    8. 12:26 artificial shortages, economic trickstery, blockades, espionage, for the lack of cooperation...
      --recovering venezuela's gold from the ratas that had stolen it to keep the Venezuelans in perpetual slavery and as owned as their oil, was not funny...
      --in their quest to recover the Venezuelan oil but this time as the private property of the global crooks that want to privatize the world and it's oil, those very same crooks are twisting venezua's an to get "their way"...

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  9. Sure the U.S government will go along with it to get him on U.S soil...the wen he's here the go back on their word...something samliar to osiel Cardenas guillien

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    1. According to extradition treaties no one can be extradited to the U.S. and be put to death, even a slow one at Florence if chapo gets a deal done.

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  10. Onward to the master plan. - El Sol Perdido

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  11. at least he'll be aw to smoke some of his product since its legal in Colorado (mariajuana) lol

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    1. It's unlikely anyone is smoking Beamer in Colorado. Maybe the bums.

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    2. There not even growing it nomore lol he u.s.has better weed

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  12. First there was Escobar, then came El Chapo, and now there will be......

    It's never going to stop. El Mayo, or El Mencho, or even Paco will rise up and be the next big cartel jefe. Or it could be some sicario who inspires to run his own cartel one day.

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    1. Its always been Mayo.

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    2. Mencho is not as big as what people make him out to be

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    3. Always been Mayo (true) "Azul" established many government ties since Carillo and Quintero days. Los Beltran Leyva benefited substantially from "Azul" through his gov't relationships. Nevertheless, El Mayo has always been the main one is Sinaloa...

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    4. 5:49 if he wasn't he would still be kissing sinaloa's ass but he feels he could take them out and now cjng is on it's own trying to take plazas from cds. I would think He's a big deal. Most people underestimate him if anything,you saw what he did when they tried to catch him right. It was a chapo "corrido" but in real life lol

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  13. Don't you guys hate when bb won't post your comment

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  14. There is WAY MORE. Behind this move CHAPO didn't want to be in a U.S prison I think he's gunna give up those politicians MEXCIO PREPRE they might have to fake an escape and get rid of CHAPO lol

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  15. Have the 24 high ranking sinaloa cartel members recently arrested in sonoyta, sonora been identified by name yet and information released to the media?

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    1. No memo....puro burros

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  16. May 13 chapo is out of jail mark my words

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    1. Such a random date...why would you think he would escape on that day?

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    2. That's my birthday

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    3. You Must be Smoking some of Chaputos Crack lol
      he will never be a free puto again.....

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    4. na hes useless the gringos couldnt get the job done with el chapo so they decided to throw him back to el bote

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    5. Why not Cinco de Mayo 6:13? That would be a more interesting story line.

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    6. Well. I don't think your right. Especially given that this time the authorities really were going after him and his faction of CDS had been severely weakened. But the government is the government and they'll probably not keep going after the group like they have done for decades. In that case maybe he could have the power to escape again but probably not.

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    7. The devil behind the courtains is getting another marranaito ready to market, it will be of course a "biiig baaad narco" again, never a corrupt mexican politician, military or police, much less an hero of the country, aka "mexican businessman" of any size...
      -Let's remember that the arellanuses murdered guadalajara's archbishop posadas for demanding the mexican church's rightful share of drug trafficking money right at Los Pinos in front of the godfather salinas himself, "...IN HIS OWN HOUSE!"
      --THE ARELLANUSES, and their gangbangers working for the Atracomulca jorge hank rohn murdered the priest but everybody persecuted and imprisoned el chapo...?!!?!!???

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    8. @12:36 I've always tripped out on your comments but I think you make the most sense out of everything now that I really read what your saying

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    9. Blah' blah. The sob is probably one of them. Lol !

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  17. Chives or Anybody who's Adrian Gomez Gonzalez I heard he's a top leader

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  18. Mencho is pretty big all those labs that produced 2000 lbs is big and controlling Europe with coke big stuff euro more than dollar mas dinero in asia too.

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  19. 5:45 from what I heard they went looking for el 02 and the word is that he ran to the u.s side evade capture

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  20. Vincent "vinny gorgeous" basciano is no longer in the supermax in colorado. Tf. Tampa florida

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    1. Wtf!!seriously that sorry mf bastard vincent bascianno sonofabitch.wannabe wise guy.I cant stand the prick.
      -the jersey shore guido.

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  21. I dont care what those ppl did but to put someone in a place like that is inhumane n fucked up. That is torture not prison. They should atleast give them the option of death or supermax. Tf tampa florida

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    1. So if Chapo had all your family killed, you wouldn't think different about him? Do realize all the women and children this man has had killed? Not saying he's the only one, but I consider him a terrorist, and the US doesn't make deals with terrorists...He should of stayed poor, and sold oranges, so he could of stayed living a normal life...he's right back to where he started with...NOTHING..

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    2. 12:32 if you want to meet terroristas, google the war crimes and genocide of the US, by the millions of casualties...
      --labeling el chapo a terrorist is kind of vicious, the Elite Zetas employees, the former gafes and soldiers aka zetas, they were and are terroristas, and freely dispense fear among innocent people, unlike other cartels that fight mostly each other, with weapons the US provides to both sides...

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  22. in sonoita i bet that el senor T was arrested he fled a hermosillo prison like chapo a while back

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    1. El memo wasn't captured

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  23. Any pictures of El Piloto CAF? Or is he a myth

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  24. He should not negotiate anything with the US government. Why is it OK for US government to be granted extradition of foreign prisoners? Chapo should be tried in Mexico for the crimes committed there.

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    1. Yes if he kept his trafficking to Mexico but he didn't.Hey Austrailia,Canada,UK,Africa and the whole world probably wants him because his business was international.The thugs in Mexico have nothing to worry about,same with extortionists and kidnappers.

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    2. Most people are unaware that the canadian cartels, especially in Vancouver and calgary are trafficking drugs from and to many countries worldwide. They are in colombia, mexico, India, phillpines, usa, and many others. Murder for hire, extortion, kidnapping, money laundering, especially in usa real estate. This is really big, but no one knows about it. Sincerely, curtis.

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    3. Canadian cartels lmao

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    4. They can't figure out in Vancouver why the average house costs over $1 million dollars and keeps going up.Yes lots are Chinese purchasers[can only own 1 house in China] but a small percentage of market but now they are suspecting money laundering and are looking into it as the average Canadian can't afford it.Prices are higher than New York City.

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    5. Correct. They control the Port of Vancouver. Ties to Mexico too and Australia. This is public information, by the way. And buying up real estate in United States and Mexico also. Thanks, Curtis.

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    6. Asi es. Ellos estan aqui en Mexico y tambien el otro lado. Las autoridades miran y eschucan a todos. Cuidate senores.

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  25. Apatzingan is a very unusual place, I lived there for quite a while in 2008 many months, I was the only white girl, my husband is from there but lives in Oaxaca now and when he talks about it people are sometimes in awe. The city is full of bands in the streets, brand new trucks driving around all the time at night cruising, 4 wheel ATVs driving around. Lots of money in that town. That lawyer is smart probably doing ok for himself.

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    1. Yea, apatzingan has alot of crime familias, alot of big shots come from there or around apatzingan.

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    2. I listen to the radio from there, "La Rachera". On TuneIN radio. They play a nice mix of music.

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  26. Good luck with that Chapo. Trying to set the rules on what takes place? You are considered a terrorists to the US and we do not cut deals with them. Also you better stop fooling around and trying to fight this, if Trump miraculously became president, your a** is getting all it deserves for sure! Better end this before election time!

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  27. He either escapes or goes to the US. In a year or so his information won't be as good as it is at this very moment so extradite that little snake the hell up here.

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  28. He's so scared hahaha!

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  29. Could you imagine Chapo in general prison population? Would everyone just suck up to him? There would only be a few people from groups like La Eme that would even speak spanish in there. He couldn't snitch because people could probably have him killed in there but his family would probably be able to buy him protection. All the dope dealers that idolize him would be there too. Weird. It seems like this time they really serious about taking him down though.

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    1. I really doubt a real snitch would be put in a real bad situation anywhere in the US, unless it was to scare some real snitching.
      --If you want some real big bad mathaphakka in prison I recommend US army col. James Steele, retired, to not have him dirty up the name of the US defense department any more...

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  30. Chapo is gonna plead guilty cuz he knows the cases in texas and cali are bullshit. Also, if he goes to NY or Chicago where the LKs control, he's gonna have an army to protect him from the other major prison gangs.he won't have to say shit.

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  31. Dozens reported killed in prison riot in Monterrey, Mexico:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/11/dozens-killed-in-prison-riot-in-monterrey-mexico

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  32. Shut the Fuk up mutt... CDS will always hold some power....But at this very moment...their fucked. That dude aint breakn outa shit. The U.S got into buiz with another cartel. Their gonna pressure mexico to extradite....hes a fucken trophy buck.... Now their right Mencho aint the Big Fish in CJNG... LOS CUINIS ARE THE REAL MONEY MEN. Michoacanos aint Lacras like most Sinaloenses.... Not All are like that. Michoacanos understand Family is Everything. How many of Mayos Sons are locked up??? And their PoPs??? Wheres he at?

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    1. What other cartel would that be?

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    2. Los Cunis lol...top dood got arrested and was immediately extradited. What a joke

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    3. lol michoacanos? They're literally wannabe sinaloenses. They extort their own people unlike sinaloa

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  33. 52 dead at penal topo Chico z27 and el credo leaded this riot

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  34. No one seems to get it. It is not about being in Gen. Pop or being around others in a social sense. In the Supermax, he cannot conduct business, which is his worry. He doesn't want to give up the empire. He's hoping for Club Fed so that he can still live a decent life and make money.

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  35. chapo is a scumb bag, he began the war when to get his pussy son out of prison he gave up Mochomo. look what followed

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    1. El Chapo didn't give up Mochomo dummy it was el mayo. He's the rat behind all of this. Chapo never gave up anybody, that's why the dea and cia are turning on him. Mayo is playing ball and Chapo is bucking the agreement..

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    2. Exactly . Ivan will never have what it takes to control a major cartel. Fuck him, spoiled useless brat

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    3. @6:18 I ain't no cheerleader but Ivan was indoctrined.. he got power, talk shit all you want but he learned from one of the greats

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    4. He has power because of who his dad is.....that brat is known in Culiacan for being an idiot. Alfredo seems to be a bit smarter

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    5. And another thing . I bet Chapo realizes his life on the line . He cant bust out again and they know he is going to point finger . Sure the little short guy from the mountains ran a big business BUT he had to have allies in powerful places . His life could be really shortened in a Mexican prison . It would be easier to silence him than bust him out

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  36. That's fair NO maximum prison for a guilty plea.

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    1. You gotta be joking moron.

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    2. @9:03 I let this comment by to make a point. Many commenters complain about their comments not getting posted. Your comment is a good example of why many don't get posted.

      You expressed you viewpoint with "You gotta be joking". But you couldn't resist calling the other commenter a name.

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    3. C'mon this is the internet. Don't be petty.

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    4. I disagree with you 12:55 . If there is a potential convicts that has earned a place in the Rockies it is El Chapo . If we had a max scale that all rated maximum security at 1 pretty much had to have it and the scale went to 10 , Cahpo rates a 10.5 . They will never recover all his assets and everyone will not abandon him . He will remain high risk for quite a while . Thank you very much for pointing out how insults are non productive especially when our opinion don't amount to a hill of beans or have any impact in whats happening

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    5. If, if... la chapa gets extradited to the usa to a non max prison, he will own the prison and every one in it, including the gang banging shet heads that work for his cartel, plus every body knows some corporate pigs do business with drug trafickers, so he might continue doing things from there, until some one gets him out

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  37. Can you say dejabu the US gov is playing the same cards they played against the italian mafia which was to have them snitch on each other and thus bust all of them and put all of them in jail.

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  38. Careful whatt you ask for Chapo! I can hear the headlines now. A use to be not so popular inmate kills Chapo and is suddenly world famous. There are some sick individuals in there who could care less about a Chapo or the word cartel, and sure as heck could care less about death. Though this will never happen. The US realize his need to communicate to plot escape attempts. Ticket to Super Max sucker! No mail, no calls, no visits, no escape.

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    1. For every guy that doesn't care about who he is there will be 1000 idiots who do and will protect him lol

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    2. Maybe in a federal prison with other gang members but I really doubt he will get any protection in the ADX

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    3. He wouldnt be interacting with anyone in the adx so he wouldn't need protection to begin with

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    4. OK, who owns ADX SUPEMRAX?
      The US GOV OR SOME PRIVATE CONCERN?
      --but somebody holds the key, and they ain't no key that can't be bought, copied or stolen for a few...

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  39. Karma for all the snitching he did. Now I'm just waiting for El Rata Zambada to go down like his fat useless sons. Anytime now!

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    1. All of them narcs end up getting played by some other smarter, soon or later not matta what, Unless

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  40. Your AFO is done. We know that's why you hate chapo. I haven't seen any evidence of chapo snitching just here say just like what your saying. But your Javier arrellano has paper work of him snitching SO WHO THE SNITCH your afo

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    1. 2;38
      Dude . They are all very low people and will snitch . If you are not of that caliber please stay away from crime . The world needs all the honorable people it can get

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    2. Well said 12:47.If you want others to be honourable then get an honourable 'job' then you can follow the golden rule-do unto others as you do onto yourself.......

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  41. You guys are delusional.. He is going to the SuperMax in Colorado as soon as he gets extradited...

    There's nothing he, CDS or his lawyer can do to stop it...

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  42. I think I will make post cards from the aerial picture and send them to Chapo . LOL LOL

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  43. @12:44 That photo with the snow on the ground does make it look very forbidding.

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  44. I have to say , looking at the photo of that prison , I don't think seal team 6 could bust him out of there

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  45. the no Max for guilty plea is not going to fly because in America the judge can reccomend to the prison system where to house a prisoner but they can not order the prison on where to place him people in my state always try to plea guilty and get the judge to send them to minimum or work release but the courts can only reccomend

    ~~~el spaceio~~~

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