Saturday, January 9, 2016

Will Mexico Finally Agree to Send El Chapo to the U.S.?

Posted by DD republished from NBC News  


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Perhaps the only way to keep Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman from escaping prison again is to ship him to the United States.

U.S. authorities have made that argument before — the last time Guzman was arrested, in 2014. Mexico resisted, declaring it a matter of national sovereignty and brushing aside concerns that he'd already escaped from prison previously, in 2001.


The world knows what happened next: Guzman made a mockery of his captors, with associates tunneling him out of a maximum security prison in an intricately planned operation that raised suspicions of government complicity.

His recapture Friday might make a stronger case to send him north.

Several U.S. jurisdictions want to try Guzman on federal drug trafficking charges, including San Diego, Brooklyn, N.Y., El Paso, Miami and Chicago, which has named him the city's first "public enemy No. 1" since Al Capone.

But Mexican officials have given mixed signals on the Justice Department's standing request to extradite Guzman.


A Mexican judge approved the request after Guzman's July escape, but that order was reversed.

Ultimately, the decision lies with President Enrique Pena Nieto, who on Friday hailed Guzman's arrest as a victory for Mexican rule of law. "Our institutions have shown once again that the citizens can trust these institutions," Nieto said.

But Nieto is expected to face enormous pressure to extradite Guzman to the U.S., where he would likely spend the rest of his life in prison — with no easy treatment, law enforcement experts told NBC News.

If Guzman were to escape prison in Mexico a third time, it could irreparably damage the government's credibility — and rattle the already tenuous relationship between the two countries.

U.S. and Mexican authorities have worked closely in recent years to capture Guzman, with the Obama administration sharing sophisticated intelligence and law-enforcement firepower, including satellites and wiretaps.

But U.S. officials have been concerned about sharing too much information with Mexican authorities in light of documented evidence that some have secretly fed that intelligence back to Mexico's powerful drug trafficking organizations — including Guzman's Sinaloa cartel.

That was especially the case after Chapo's July escape, which the U.S. warned Mexico of weeks earlier.

But the U.S. continued to help Mexico, including playing a part in Guzman's recapture, a senior Drug Enforcement Administration official in Washington told NBC News Friday on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.


Michael Braun, a former chief of operations for the DEA, said he didn't think the Mexican president would be willing to risk the chance of Guzman escaping a Mexican prison for a third time.

"I don't think Nieto would suffer the same embarrassment as last time, and that if (Guzman) wasn't killed (during capture), he'd extradite him to the U.S.," Braun said.

"I hope we see him here in the U.S.,'' Braun said. "But only time will tell."

But Jimmy Gurule, a former drug prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles who now teaches international criminal law at the University of Notre Dame, predicted that Nieto would continue to resist pressure to extradite Guzman.

It's not just a question of national sovereignty, Gurule said. There's also the possibility that Guzman, who is notorious for bribing government officials, could divulge information about corruption in Mexico, he said.

"From a more cynical view, I think that Mexican government officials might be concerned that if El Chapo was extradited ... if there's any chance he'll see the light of day or that the conditions of his imprisonment be somewhat softened, that would require cooperation on his part," Gurule said.

"I think there's no question he has very valuable first-hand information regarding government corruption, and if that information was disclosed it would be embarrassing to the Mexican government," Gurule said.

If Nieto decided to give up Guzman, it would raise serious security concerns in the United States and set off a scramble among the many federal prosecutors who want first crack at him.

There is precedent, however. Alleged Mexico drug lord Edgar "La Barbie" Valdez, former head of the Beltran Leyva cartel, was extradited to the United States in October.

Another, Osiel Cardenas Guillen, the former head of the Gulf cartel, was captured in 2003 and extradited to the U.S. four years later.

98 comments:

  1. It seems unlikely that Chapo will be extradited to US. There is too much political involvement at risk here.
    I think that El Chapo will have an archive to release about the relations to US authoroties and mexican dito, in case it`s needed. Don`t you think so? Over 20 years as a topnarco and that woul`d make a whole lot of secret info about this and that..

    La Barbie and Osiel don`t really measure up to the same hight as Chapo and thats the reason (I think) for them to be extradited. They didn`t possessed the highest power for more than 1-2 years each.

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    1. Agreed...the others...(barbie and cardenas)...weren't even on the same level as chapo...sure they were bosses but they didn't have the resources and power he had...my guess he gets out again...

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    2. From the 80s until 2008 mexicos most dominant cartel was the gulf cartel chapos fame only came from his escape in 2001... I dont see how people over look the facts

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    3. What about Benjamin Arellano ? During his tenure as Tijuana Cartel boss, he had more solid MX political connections and exported more product than Chapo in the 90s. He got shipped out 10 years later after his capture. They will do the same to Chapo in 10 years when all his "intel" is irrevelant and a new MX government has taken office.

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    4. @1:26 ... your delusional .. CDG's reign in power was shortlived... the Juarez and Tijuana cartels were much more powerful in the 90s than the gulf... FACT!

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    5. Multiple powerful kingpins have been extradited, carlos lehder, fabio ochoa, benjamin arellano and so on....

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    6. He is right the AFO and the Juarez Cartel at the time where way bigger then the Gulf majority of the people involved with theses groups ended up becoming part of CDS

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    7. Well, what happen in the past stay in the past. It would be stupid not to make a deal in the near future for Chapo. I don't know why Mr.Arellano was extradited, does anyone? Maybe he cut a bad deal or don't use his intel in such way Chapo may can do, or simply just choose to shut it up?
      I only speculate but don't you agree that Chapos long, and strong, leadership also provided him with more intel/secrets to use then Mr. Arellano or any other mentioned?
      To move more products into US don't apply when CDS is moving shit all over the world as well. Or do AFO that as well..? Or Mr. Osiel C Zetas?

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  2. Su viaje al infierno esta asegurao.

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    1. A lie, all el chapo has to do is repent and confess, and not to a priest necessarily, if he confesses to himself and recognizes his sins, just between him and GOD, heaven is his, forget about "hell"
      --On the other hand, the big risks is that mexico could demand extradition to mexico of felix ismael rodriguez for ordering the kidnapping, torture and murder of Kiki Camarena and his pilot alfredo avelar, a mexican, on top of trafficking drugs and weapons all over mexico and money, with his associate crime families X, Y & Z and the Florida banana republic mob...
      --The empire of the HYPOCRITES has a lot more to lose, but revenge is theirs for the taking, el chapo made too much money for himself and his associates, his "business model" is unparalled, and the greedy wants it, never mind that it is not for them to handle all that horse...

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  3. Will Mexico extradite Chapo to the USA ? Let's wait and watch !!

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  4. This will be really interesting to see how this pans out.The Mexican government will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.Wonder if any bookies are taking bets on this and what the odds will be at?

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  5. I wanna hear his voice

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  6. El chapo's sons are tweeting ..maybe bb can do a story with translation or include them in another story.

    You'd be doing us english reader a favor coz google translator isn't accurate..

    Keep up the good work!!

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  7. Mexican government credibility has been gone for a long time whether this guy escapes or not that ship has sailed.sorry

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    1. In la la land, mexican governing narco-mierdocracia's "credibility" can be damaged, in real life that virginity has been patched up, sewn and sold too many times as new, I remember Lucille Ball being roasted on dean Martin show about the many times she sold away her "virginity" to Hollywood moguls...
      --same thing with mexican government's credibility, fack'em...

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  8. No way chapo will ever set foot on US soil.. If he does, it will be to to shopping. Maybe even take his little girls to sea world or something. But never will see a prison in the US. So stop thinking about it "green goes" atte el morroñis de la palma navolato, sinaloa ajuuaa.

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    1. Hahaha Como eres Una nena neta wey. U n ur predictions u said mayos kids would be out I dont think so. U said chapo never would set a feet in jail wrong again. U r 0-2 pendejo

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    2. @elmoran "never?"
      just like you said he would control all the plazas in 2016? His freedom is over just like CDS is over. Time to make way for the new independent players. Mexico is now taking over management!

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    3. @ 1:41 PM...LMAO!

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    4. Whether you like it or not the CDS will not fall it has to many cogs turning and moving one my break or stop but as a machine it keeps on moving and producing more people to fill the void left by the others

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  9. No. Mexico is too prideful. His sons will get him out.

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    1. I completely agree with you. I estimate he will be out before November

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    2. I believe his sons and closest associates are currently planning the quickest and efficient escape right now. His lawyers have been calling everyone in their phonebook asking for the returned favors they are owed.

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  10. We will never know if it was him the first time they caught him and this time also. Unless we listen to his voice we wont ever know for sure. There is a video or was on youtube were you could hear him talking.

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    1. @1:06, if, you listen to the voice in this Chapoo video, it is a younger man's voice, not someone's in their late 50's. There are no traces of Sinaloa's suave "sh" pronunciation for the letter "s," the speaking voice in the video lacks the cadence and sing-song quality attributed to Spanish spoken in Mexico. Mexican Spanish is richly idiomatic, there's no evidence of this in the interview subject's vocabulary choices and phrasing, either.

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  11. Highly doubt it. He will forever live lavish in Mexico even though he will be "under watch" 24/7. Mayo happy as shit right now tho. Less heat.

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  12. I say , and many in the us do , if they don't extradite , bread ties to mexico

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  13. Mayo Zambada is #1

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  14. He won't see supermax same prison the 3rd is a charm my friends salute from corporal Rogers!

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  15. I seriously hope the BLO or the Zs just kidnap his sons & eliminate them already I'm so tired of hearing about them trying to look badass on their twitter accounts

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  16. Why in the FUC% does the MX government have to hand him over to the US. The US only wants to seize his assets/cars/house/money/etc/etc.

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    1. They have many in communities dying of herion.Small places like New Hampshire where ppl don't talk about the economy but herion overdoses.It's pressure on the feds to do something.If ppl weren't dying in droves and Chapo just stuck to pot they might let it slide and they did do that for years.

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    2. Someone else will fill his shoes his sons alone own the empire

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  17. No he will never step foot in the us now thats for sure too much interests involved and $$$ of course

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  18. El Chapo also has valuable information about U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies, disclosure of which would be embarrassing to the U.S. governnent. Face it, for many reasons, some people in this world need legal and illegal drugs to survive. Therefore , if the flow of drugs suddenly stops, the result is violent crime, social unrest, and chaos. The flow of drugs will never stop. The capture of El Chapo will not in any way reduce that flow of drugs.

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  19. He's going to get killed off like azul and retire , he knew he couldn't hide forever

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    1. Like Azul n Nacho..!! Been sayin that forever.!!

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    2. But is Azul confirmed dead after he`s "heartattack"..? As I understand it he`s not confirmed dead by gob. He was, supposedly dead, and cremated by his family and there was a funeral.
      But there has also been many cases to fake your own death to escape the radar, right..?
      I woul`d like to see any other proof that El Azul actually is dead befora I change my mind.

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  20. Done. Just reported chapo is going to the U.S.

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  21. They just said on the news here that mexico reversed its position and approved his extradition to the u.s! Maybe hell share a cell with la barbie!

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  22. EPN will put off a decision for as long as he is in power. The administration succeeding EPN will be US sponsored and will extradite el Chapo quickly.

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  23. WOAOOW they captured el Chapo! That means that there will be no more drugs and the war on drugs was won, right?

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  24. Why is no one reporting the 10 marines who die at this operation? One of them was my brother he got kill by chapo especial forcez ,i dont know why they only said one marine got injured wtf it was 10 of them but like alwas the goverment say only what they want

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    1. Why don't you say his name and post some proof. I dont believe you because they rolled in bulletproof cars most likely.

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    2. Lying scum. So were were they hit by bullets or explosives? At least make it believable. I think people in mochis would have noticed and the marines would have left some proof on chapos face of that. So how did these sicarios caught by surprise at 4:00am in darkness manage to kill 10 elite soldiers you should know more if its true.

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  25. CNN and other media outlets are reporting Mexico has indeed agreed to extradite El Chapo to the U.S.

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  26. They already did. He'll be going to NY.

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  27. Chapo Guzman has to much Intel to divulge about all the corrupt on both sides of the border for Mexico to ever allow him to set foot on U.S. soil. I'm surprised he wasn't killed in order to guarantee his silence. As a matter of fact, I think what the soldier that twisted his head to the left was really trying to do was break it. It took Mexico 10 yrs. before Min was extradited and Rafa was never. Chapo probably has more money than those two and he knows too much. No extradition for the foreseeable future. At the end of the day, this charade called the drug war will continue for the foreseeable future. After the corrupt authorities still need their bribes, or at least have them trickle down to them, drug addicts/consumers need their illegal narcotics, DEA agents need work, and bankers need to get their laundering fix on. As the ole saying goes : the show must go on! - alias El Niño de la Tuna

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  28. Chapo no snitch.

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  29. steve Harvey meme announcing chapo's recapture

    https://twitter.com/Borderland_Beat/status/685723385939140608

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    1. Hahahaha steve harvey saying they caught pablo escobar

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  30. The Empire and its EPN minion have too much to hide!
    Fast and Furious will look like a church picnic if Chapo opens the can of worms! The Empire's soldiers had poo poo in their panties when Vincente started to open his can of worms!
    Hilarious fact!

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    1. Agree! Fast and Furious will be a bedtimestory compared to what Chapo Guzman have to say, if he wants! It`s not likely he will extradited with all the intel he can reveal! Rather there is or will be some sort of deal in MX for Chapo. I don`t even think the US really want him in US soil because of all the intel he gathered over the years..It`s just a show going on.

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  31. They will extradite El Sapo when EPN is no longer president. For now, they will lock him up with tighter security. He will still be allowed to get his conjugal visits from el morronis de de las palmas navolato Sinaloa

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  32. Gawd! There will be massive layoffs in the DEA and police agencies in America now that el chapo has been caught and the Empire can declare victory in the drug war!
    Hilarious fact!

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  33. If you win the lottery youll be as rich as el chapo

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  34. This recapture actually makes Mexico look worse. Mexico was helped by the impression that El Chapo didn't really "escape," the government didn't really want him in custody. Corrupt, but not incompetent.

    With this recapture, it brings attention back to the escape, that now looks more like a real, bold, escape from a "supermax" prison. This paints the PRI government as incompetent (and, off course, corrupt). But PRI was supposed to be all about competence.

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    1. stupid, the escape made them look incompetent and this patches up that impression. It helps but we know Mexico is still largely incompetent

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  35. OT, but quite big:

    "Pide perdón el Doctor Mireles por su lucha en contra del crimen organizado"

    Sometimes it sounds like he's being sarcastic, when he says he can't read or write. But in the middle, when he's talking about his father and his family, he breaks down and starts crying. He sounds like he means it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frzmCLOPyTQ

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  36. Free mireles !!!!

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  37. I am reading all the speculating on here and have found there are many idiots on here. Even if this moron has Intel on either government, which no one knows what he knows for certain. No one will ever know. The news is only told what the governments tell them. He is a criminal in every facet and its his word against folks he may never be able t prove are criminals. This man was not as intellectual-and keen as La Tuta who video taped everything for future reference. You know how man criminals who supposedly had information in the past? It makes no difference. When it boils down to it he will be in jail, most likely the US. His sons can tweet all they want but will never get him out either. He will not have the luxuries he was granted in Mexico. It is tiring to hear the stupid speculations of this and that. This man is not famous to either government. He is a criminal just like Bin Laden. He will be punished and that is that. It is no longer about him, it is about the thousands that died at the hands of him and his cartel and the need to get them justice. All the pain he caused for greed. Mexico did not catch him GOD caught him to teach all of us there is no one to be compared to him!

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    1. And he will have to kill 750 more years uninterrupted to equal half the murderous European descendants have killed. There's a reason for Walgreen on every major corner in the south, Duane reade in the north and CVS in the west. European people created pharmaceutical drugs for the purpose of mass killings and let's not forget the poison ass food supply to keep you dying a slow death in the form of Cancer and every other natural European disease that now affects all other people at an alarming rate. Murderous warlords in the name of GOD or should I say in the name of the GOD THEY WORSHIP aka SATAN.Iraq, Iran,Syria,and no other nations asked these murderous beast for no help in freeing them. They were killingf or oil and they are killing by the millions with their bombs. So El Chapo has to get his shit together if he wants to be known as a murderer on the level of the same white man that has raped his native land also. So condemn your own before you try others....

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    2. In a perfect world it might be like you think. But then we have the politicians...

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  38. That's ok, El Chapo only wanted to be with his family for Christmas anyway. Now as far as him getting extradited, I don't think so. Why let go the cash cow when it's giving you thousands in free milk. Read between the lines.

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  39. Mexico will send him over, EPN will bow to US pressure, Obama I'm sure has already congratulated him snd it makes EPN feel important, he'll do it because it'll make him look good.

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  40. Lets start a countdown to chapos escape #3

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    1. á la una, á las dos...

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  41. Mr chapo guzman you mate are a star 1st on forbes list now on rolling stone they should just let you be a celebrity or houdini for that amazing escape from prison atte your padre el samo

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  42. Chivis and Co. There is a story circulating around the web of how actor Sean Penn and MX actress Kate del Castillo led the Feds to nab Chapo. Apparently, Sean Penn met with Chapo in MX to have a sit down to talk. I assume Mr. Guzman wanted an interview also since his comrade Mr.Zambada had one. Kate del Castillo helped organize the encounter. She ain't the first actress with Narco ties.

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    1. Kate del castillo cares more about mexico than epn and his court of mexican ass kissing murderers, treasury robbers and their court jesters, and she believes el chapo is a better person too, she is no pendeja, she must have a lot of reasons, and Sean Penn too, he may want to expose mexican government corruption in all its glory, Gael Garcia Bernal and Jorge Ramos have other prior "compromises"

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  43. El chapo and Sean Penn WTF has anyone seen this?

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  44. El Chapo, is just another pawn in the US drug war. Just like every dealer across the US , no matter how much money he made, it was not enough. Anybody with a brain can see you can't stop demand. The war on drugs has only increased street level prices, and as direct result, increased the crimes against the person. Users have no legal way to support their habits. Anyone ever heard a user say it's to expensive to get high, I'm quitting?

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    1. Only when you are ready to quit you'll say that just like a cigarette smoker.

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  45. Sean Penn Sean Penn Sean Penn
    What the hell is going on here?!
    One minute he's just a drug lord and now all this insane stuff happening? This is mind blowing!

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  46. How can i send bb a picture of el chapo?

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  47. ... DD, Lucio, Mi Amor Chivis, Please Post Up The Interview Of Chapo That Was For Kate Del Castillo And "World Saver" / News Whore Sean Penn.. Interesting Short Video ...
    Thanks ... El Gabo

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  48. We will demand it and Mexico will do it because they won't want us to stop handing them money. Plain and simple. But when he is in a US jail, then if he escapes he will truly be a legend. Not that impressive to escape a Mexican jail with a billion dollars.

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    1. Even if he did escape from a US jail(very unlikely), they would put cities on lockdown to find him. Look what happened when they wanted to catch the Boston bombers. There is a reason Affluenza boy went to Mexico, cause there is nowhere to hide in the US.

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  49. Chapo no longer ran the business anyways its his sons that are running shit now and they are way more intellegent and more business savy.

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    1. Chapo was like the CEO officer of a corporation. He has the last word but the board of directors can pretty much manage by themselves. To loose a CEO is a setback though. Add that to the list loosing a COO el Cholo Ivan and its pretty hard to not suffer from both losses. At least in the drug game where countless enemies lurk waiting for their chance for a literal "hostile takeover". Not to mention the violent power struggles within. A co CEO like Zambada truly must posses the skills in order for his "corporation" to survive!

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    2. Agreed. Just look at their twitter accounts. Only the smartest drug lords are posting to twitter....... Right.....

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  50. dd is working on the sean penn chapo story. it isn't easy we can't republish it in full

    so he needs to work it.....

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  51. Great to hear all the comments from Mexico, US and around the world.

    Think--The Pope might stop by for an audience with Chapo. Born again might help his defense--right!

    What do you think: Due to what I hear Chapo has too much influence (money)and secrets as if holding a big marker.

    Will the deal be--civil in US--forfeit a few billion. With imprisonment in Mexico for twenty years. The sentence will then be vacated to a shorter one or Chapo's lawyers will appeal and work deals. Bet he is free within a few years if stays in Mexico.

    The money he has gives him big leverage. That is all they really want--US wants forfeiture for purchase of more weapons. Again weapons over a cure for powerful non-treatable medical conditions.

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  52. Deport him with the condition that all mexicans get green cards. If no, not a chance then...

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  53. US just want his money greedy filth we live in

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  54. So nobody escapes from U.S. prisons?
    Nobody escapes in the U.S. aided by prison staff?
    Whomever says that are are very idiotic, pathetic people.

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    1. He will go to the Supermax in Colorado if he can escape from there he deserves to be free.

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  55. Haha......."maximum security Mexican prison". That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

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  56. Lmao.....mexico reversed its decision to extradite el chapo.........chapo will never face charges here....just as caro quintero was never extradited.....funny how chapo can be found but caro flies under the radar.....

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