Wednesday, January 13, 2016

Is Sean Penn a CIA operative?

By Lucio R. Borderland Beat written with material from Reforma and Daily Mail

'Is Sean Penn a CIA spy?' 

That’s the buzz being generated.  There are always those who look for oddities that lend towards theories of conspiracy, we have more than our fair share here at BB. One of my favorite conspiracy comments from the Sean Penn/Chapo story, is the reader saying he thought maybe Penn insisted on shaking Chapo’s hand when he did, because the actor may have had a location “tracking” film he transferred to Chapo.  An invisible GPS film. 

But, in the case of Penn, and his history, it is not out of the bounds of reason to speculate. 

For me, the eyebrow arching fact in this drama, is the timing of the interview release.

From Daily Mail:
Conspiracy theorists claim actor's interview with El Chapo was an elaborate government plot to capture fugitive drug lord
As news emerged of the peculiar series of events that led to El Chapo's capture, Twitter was ablaze with one question: Is Sean Penn a CIA spy?
The actor met with the world's most wanted drug lord in the jungle to ask him a handful of Hollywood-worthy questions such as 'do you dream?' and 'how would you define yourself?'
And then just hours after the Sinaloa cartel leader was detained by Mexican marines, the Rolling Stone published a lyrical 10,000-word account of their meeting.



Chavez with Penn 
That is the part I think about and can’t reconcile as to why anyone would sit on the only interview ever conducted with a enigmatic man known globally, and releasing the interview within 2 days after El Chapo’s recapture.

Daily Mail also points out, the CIA using those of the entertainment business before on clandestine projects.  

Rumors of various actors working for the CIA has spanned generations.  People such as Marilyn Monroe.


And then there is 'Argo'.

From The Daily Mail:
Supposedly the entire 'clandestine horror show' - as Penn put it - was part of a research project to develop a Netflix-style drama about Guzmán and his prison break. 
Though Penn insists he went to extreme lengths to hide the meeting from authorities, the details have sparked widespread speculation that he was in fact tapped by the CIA to locate the fugitive criminal - just as screenwriters were enlisted to make Argo to free US hostages in Iran in 1979.  It would hardly be the first time the CIA had tapped a Hollywood-ite for their connections to take a different approach an international political case. 
Argo was a movie fabricated for CIA operatives to have an excuse to fly to Iran during the hostage crisis in 1979. 
Tony Mendez led the team to recover six American diplomats from Tehran, pretending that they were all members of a production team.
The Central Intelligence Agency is openly cooperative with Hollywood 
Researchers who specialize in the CIA's connection with Hollywood, Dr Matthew Alford and Tom Secker, told DailyMail.com on Sunday: 'Spies have long used Hollywood as a front, from Pretty Woman producer Arnon Milchan, who admitted to stealing US nuclear secrets for Mossad, to Frederick Forsyth who did 'favours' for MI6. So the theory that Sean Penn was part of a CIA sting operation is an intriguing possibility.' 

El Chapo admitted in the peculiar interview to being the biggest drug trafficker in the world and said
Raul Castro and Penn
he sent engineers to Germany to learn how to build the tunnel he would eventually use to escape a maximum security prison.  The tunnel was a difficult project, even for the team working for the narco tunnel master, El Chapo.   There was a water table to contend with.

Legal minds say the video could be used against him if his case goes to trial in any of the 8 U.S. jurisdictions having indictments against the capo.

This isn’t the only controversial interview Penn has conducted.  In the past 9 years in has met with and interviewed:

Venezuela President Hugo Chavez

In 2012, he met with Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner to discuss growing tensions between Argentina and the UK.

Evo Morales Bolivian President at the presidential palace  in 2012

Cuban President  Raul Castro in 2008


He became friends with Valenzuela, and attended his funeral, as did Jessie Jackson.

Penn answered questions sent to him by the Mexican Press via email today.  One of the questions pose to him, was his reaction when discovering he was being followed during his trip to see Chapo, and photos were released:

“I have no regrets about my trip to Mexico to meet Joaquin “el Chapo” Guzman Loera.

The actor Sean Penn said he has no regrets about his clandestine trip to Mexico to interview the Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo '' Guzman. 

“I have nothing to hide”.  He also expressed no regrets or thoughts of journalistic ethical missteps, for forwarding Chapo his finished article for his approval. 

He previously  stated that Chapo changed nothing of the article.

In a poll asking “is Sean Penn a CIA spy?” 51% say YES opposed to 49% NO

Where do I fall among the poll takers?  Somewhere in between.  Although I won’t lose any sleep over thinking about the possibility, but I do agree it is an intriguing possibility.

From Daily Mail


96 comments:

  1. NO! He's just a middle man that's all, Penn set up the greatest plan ever to tip off where Chapo was, Penn should get reward money.

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    1. Everyone is happy Penn turned in chapo

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  2. he is! meets chapo=captured, HUgo= dead, castros= fidel dead think about it> no coincidences

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    1. 2:30PM

      Fidel Castro is alive.

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    2. Castro is alive.

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    3. Poor thing, you don't even know Castro is alive.

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    4. dying of cancer. will be dead

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    5. Castro is not dying of cancer.

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  3. This is a stupid article and borderland beat is stupid for publishing it, come on did u guys run out of stuff to publish, what a joke, lol

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    1. 2:40 Can you please explain why you think it's stupid??

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  4. I think a lot of you guys see to much movies,this all sounds like the movie "the interview" but in this case the location is in Mexico and it's not Kim Jong Un the one being interviewed,but in the movie by shaking the hand it would be to kill and not to track someone

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  5. CIA or not, I hope Sean Penn gets his face peeled off.

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    1. 2:44 his face is pretty, pretty facked up already, but he is alive...

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    2. That's not PC

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  6. I guess CIA and US military is pretty good as using actors for their need. Even in WWII they used used the Ghost Army to fake the Germans. I guess using a Hollywood star would be good bait. And if Sean Penn gets killed, imagine how much attention to this problem it would bring.

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  7. The whole thing is fishy CHAPO never said he had a fleet of subs planes and boats but yet they wanna use all this against him he is smart he made himself look like a small time dealer in that video I think penn might be cia do to his political friendships and all that he does

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  8. If I was Penn I would start saying good bye to all of your family members

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    1. 3:13 nothing is going to happen to his family members.

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    2. So should Shapo. Florence Admax in Colorado is waiting for his arrival.

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  9. He completely is. The Gunman is a documentary of his life. It's a true story

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  10. So where does the "witnesses seeing armed men at that location" were the raid took place sit? Mexican goverment first said it was because the anonymous tip and later said it was because of the trip Sean Penn took to Sinaloa for the meeting. So which one is it?

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    1. Maybe it was both.Think Sean and Kate were being watched from those airport photos but the anomymous tip they thought it Chapos ppl not Chapo himself and they sure showed up in a hurry course we don't know how recent the tip was.

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    2. Exactly! First thing they said was they were going after EL CHOLO IVAN and didn't know Chapo was there. Don't believe nothing they say

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    3. The tiro de gracia left bodies in the first pictures and the Marinos combat video don't look very related unless they got aim hack lol.

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    4. I think the tip off from a neighbor is more truth then the Penn thing. Funny the mexican govt didnt say something about it til AFTER the interview came out and embaressed the HELL out of the govt. It exposes just how incompetent the mx govt is!! Too much money and power at stake, so of course they lied. Its funny how articles started coming out ASKING if mx govt knew, again, before mx came out and said the penn article tipped em off.

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    5. Hahaha right! From watching the video and listening to the guy "running things" seems like they were just shooting into the house without confirming skmeone was even there.

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  11. Too funny CIA? Anything to keep the Chapo saga in the limelight. Chapo is just a repeated idiot that fails to see his own flaws. This is why he is once again caught. Wouldn't it be the DEA handling this? CIA is mainly terrorists. Chapo hasn't exactly earned that title yet. When the public start making up stories, they should have their lettered federal agencies correct!

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  12. Christian Lopez PalafoxJanuary 13, 2016 at 2:57 PM

    If anything the CIA is pissed Penn fucked up the mordidas. Mayo didnt pay well thats why chaps "tunneled" out

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  13. Christian Lopez PalafoxJanuary 13, 2016 at 2:58 PM

    If anything the CIA is pissed Penn fucked up the mordidas. Mayo didnt pay well thats why chaps "tunneled" out

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  14. He may not be, but he's a man with a price on his head for the sequence of events. The problem with rumors: you can prove them false.

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    1. He also the admiration of the other major Capos looking take the crown. El Mayo and Mencho owe Sean Penn big time now that he has gotten rid of the DEA's cartel messiah.

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    2. Who in their right mind would cash in on that price? Cartel members are a bunch of dumbasses but not that dumb to pull that shit on US soil. Trust....Them mafiosos don't want it with the US government.

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    3. @950 why would they "want it" with the US govt when if they behave and pay quota (taxes) they will be free to work. The US is okay, not with trafficking, but with accepting payment by traffickers. You pay, you play, you don't, you won't.

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  15. Sean Penn is now head of the Sinaloa Cartel. He met with El Chapo to tell Chapo he was taking over the Sinaloa Federation. Sean Penn is the shot caller. El Chapo was upset, so El Penn called in the Mexican Marines to take Chapo into custody.

    Sean Penn says El Mencho is next. He's going after the Jalisco Cartel. El Penn has a vision of only One Cartel. It will be known as "THE Mexican Cartel".

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    1. Who would've thought the most powerful Mafioso was actually a gringo.

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    2. Like Sean Penn needs a "bombita" or get into hiding and persecuted and prosecuted and sent to the slammers to meet Big Bertha for angering the "Real journalism" powers that be...

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  16. No, he's just your run-of-the-mill Hollywood democrat who hates the US and wants to glorify its adversaries to the greatest extent possible.

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    1. That too but don't think Sean was 'worked'.Kate maybe yes but thank God they don't live in Mexico and are 'too high profile' to touch.

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    2. Very good and wise comment. Penn despises the CIA and anything having to do with the US. He really believes that anybody on the US's terror/bad guy list MUST be a good guy at heart. In short - he's a liberal.

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    3. I agree. Penn would never help out the US in any capacity.

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  17. No Sean Penn is not a CIA ,He not even a good movie star

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    1. I think he did awesome in the movie "I am Sam" lol...

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    2. He won a Oscar dumbass. How many actors can say that? Homeboy you could live three life times and never accomplish half of what he has done in his life. He starred in over 30 movies, he is a Millionaire, married Madonna, dated Scarlett Johannson, won 2 Oscars, dozens of different awards and now caught Chapo. What have you done? I thought so.

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  18. That is crazy to even think he would be a spy. I don't think Penn would want a price on his head or on his family.

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  19. Its funny how chapo seems like a normal person in his interview, it gets by so many innocent people and people actually start to call this guy dumb and he should of known. Come on people get your head out of your ass, this person is the most powerful druglord in the human race history, wake up hes a living legend. Pablo only wished he would of lived as many years as chapo, in all truths pablo dont compare not even 10 percent of what chapo guzmam is.

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    1. Different countries and different eras. It's really hard to compare them but I don't see what you are getting at?

      Guzman had billions, Pablo had billions.. Guzman was the head of a cartel, Pablo was the head of a cartel. Guzman escaped from prison, Pablo built his own prison and then escaped.

      Pablo might have died younger but at least he went out shooting unlike Chapo who clearly will be headed to a SuperMax since he didn't have the guts to shoot at the Marinas.

      Why didn't Guzman shoot? Scared of dying? He sure as hell isn't scared to kill... Your big bad boss clearly isn't as tough as a lot of you think.

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    2. 9:06 pablo was HATED. He knew he was going to die regardless if he went guns blazing or not.

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    3. Both made mistakes, the biggest one was they were friends with the CIA, who is only a friend until they is not no mó a friend because they found another a-hole to carry on with, or you make too much on your own, or there is presidential powers at stake...

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    4. Pablo made $30bn in under 20 years of trafficking which with inflation in todays world will be well over thay actual mark

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  20. Sean Penn has always been an a hole.This is the Hollywood spin machine at work. He should be put in jail for meeting with him.

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  21. As predicted... cataclysmic wild speculation from some BB readers.

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  22. penn is a commie through n through he would never help the US intentionally!

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  23. CIA "assets" are manageable personalties. Mr. Penn's flamboyant personality would be a liability!

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  24. Really dumb idea here. Without drugs to create Spicoli Penn never would have been anyone. No, he's not a spy, and he's not a very good journalist either. He's just another hollywood meddler. Really funny that Chapo thought Sean Penn was the way to tell his story to the world, haha. He must be a lot dumber than we give him credit for. or maybe he's smarter; the only people placing any value on the poorly done piece of (so-called) "journalism" are stoned young Rolling Stoners. They want to believe Chapo is just a poor guy selling drugs because there is nothing else he can do, because they want to justify buying them and certainly don't want guilt on their own consciences. I don't think very many mature adults think the Penn story is worth the paper it's printed on.

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  25. the next time we hear about penn in the news is when the find his decapitated corpse with a cartulina saying esto es lo que les pasa a Los que se quiren pasar de vivo. Yo te Quito lo vivo no lo penn dejo.

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    1. Nah, he will be interviewing RCQ next. The appointment has already been made and confirmed. Juan Gabriel set it up via carrier pigeon.

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  26. That's the most ludicrous crap I've ever heard. First of all that is not even Chapo de caught. Second, they weren't even looking for him at that house, not even Cholo Ivan. They went to see about a call from a citizen about armed men at a house. Who comes up with this stuff? A person with the power of Chapo wouldn't let those stupid marines man handle him like that nor would throw marines dare try it. Just look at how they present Z40, LA Barbie, JJ and other capos. They won't even touch them most of the time now imagine them grabbing the neck of the most wanted man in America like that!! Nah...it's not him nor the house they found them at or the guys who died there weren't real. They all had coupe de tat of whatever they call it and then they planted the guns right next to the bodies. And then the video of the Marines sOrting through house looks as fake as a bad Hollywood movie. We ain't stupid.

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    1. Finally a man with brains.

      "DNA and all that ain't shit unless you do the test yourself. As much as you guys wish this was real, it's not.

      Chapo Guzman has around 5,000 Elite sicarios at his service all over his Sinaloa Federation group of cartels. His sole faction could have from 1,000 to 2,000. And I'm talking about Elite groups, not casual pistoleros.

      Chapo has hundreds of halcones which are also civilians not only municipal crooked cops.

      He was supposed to be detained by Policia Federal in some ridiculous escape where this billionaire had to steal shitty cars. Policia Federal is corrupted as fuck as well and Chapo would know their faces, patrol number, info, etc. Believe me federales would have helped his ass if they knew who it was or turn a blind eye.

      Let's pretend they got him like that, why take him to some hotel, to humiliate him? That's anti constitutional and they never mocked any other narcos even smaller time ones.

      Let's be real now.

      Arturo Beltran Leyva outcome:
      - His chief of security betrayed him.
      - They sent 200 soldiers to apprehend a group of around 10 people who were in the house of Barbas.
      - The shootout lasted HOURS.
      - Arturo knew they couldn't get him alive, he knew too much.

      Tony Tormenta outcome:
      - Apparently his security chief also set him up.
      - Same story, like A LOT of Marinos to fuck with about 10 guys in an office.
      - Shootout lasted some hours as well.
      - Intense mobilization of sicarios around the area and shootouts with the army in different points of the city.
      - Tony also knew he couldn't be gotten alive.

      Pablo "El Zorro de Ojinaga" outcome:
      - His jefe de seguridad "Amado Carrillo" set him up.
      - Same story, shootout finale.

      Do we see a pattern? Yes? So I hope someone with brains can tell the difference between staged and real. On a side note for the all knowing Americanos, even Mexican reporters don't believe this shit and are openly debating it. Mexican people neither as much as the first arrest which daring scape is unreal. "

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    2. 10:06 I get what you are saying but the reality is this. Look at the history of powerful men getting killed or apprehended while being a high priority target. Sadam Hussein and Pablo Escobar were found at places that could be considered far beneath them. Osama Bin Laden wasn't guarded by hundreds of Al Qaeda fighters. The difference between Chapo and the other mafiosos you mentioned is that Chapo escaped from prison two times. When you are a fugitive as big as Chapo it is unwise to roll with 1000's of sicarios because that kind of presence gives you away. It also gives a 1000 sicarios the chance to snitch on you. A person like Chapo would have only a small security team to keep a low profile so not to spark the attention of the Feds. I would have been completely surprised to hear that Chapo was killed in the shootout with the Marina because that is not his style. I'm almost sure that Chapo doesn't even carry a firearm on him. He leaves that up to the workers.

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    3. Very good points 8:09 but I think there would at least be some halcones from the cartel, not even knowing Chapo is in town, informing normally of a huge convoy of Marinos coming in town.

      The version was by the way that it was some anonymous citizen report of armed men in a house, this makes my first point stronger. If Marinos were not coming after Chapo officially and just checking on a house with armed men I think Cholo Ivan's people would of got tipped on the radios by the Municipal Police themselves. You may have no idea of the corruption and influence of these dudes, they have cartel members with badges in many towns.

      The whole "rolling low key" and with few body guards sounds very realistic but what doesn't seem very realistic apart from what I already exposed is the fact that this most wanted man had to steal cars, Didn't he have a car around? Outside of his movie style tunnel? Was that the only sewer to scape to the street? I think he would have ran a little bit more to a distant location and get out on a better part of town. I think he would have all this figured out since the moment that he created the tunnel...

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  27. Regardless if he is or not Chapo was dumb to let him enter into his circle in the first place. Your a wanted man, you just don't agree to meet an unknown actor (Chap apparently didn't know who he was) and an actress who your infatuated with. Also, didn't he have anyone assessing him on the the situation, telling him it wasn't wise to meet these two clowns.

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  28. Stranger things have occurred in this world so why not. If you need to find your baby daddy for child support payments call Sean Penn.

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  29. It's kinda ridiculous but the way the world is I would not be surprised lol

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  30. Sean Penn last name Bond.

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  31. Look at that! He is shaking hands with two men who both helped put their respective countries in the tank. What is the odds of that? Penn is bad luck for sure of whoever he shakes hands with.

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    1. Hugo Chavez did not put his country in the tank...
      El Chapo Guzman did not put his country in the tank...
      Pablo escobar did not put his cousin try in the tank...
      --The US did put their country tries in the tank, with help from their governments or their pro US rebels, all trafficking drugs into the US even today, but only the US bankers launder the money...
      --the saintly US government is not able to handle money, and never will be, only private enterprise knows how to handle money that why they want the US Postal Service money, Social Security and their billions and billions, and all the private contracts in the world, including the "contract on the US"...

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  32. Do Mexican cartels really put hits out on people?

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    1. Naw! Of course not your brghtness. People just mysteriously show up dead.

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    2. Is water really wet? Lol

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    3. Do bears crap in the woods? Of course they do, google high level mexican assasinations. Thats all the work of the Cartel De Sinaloa and few other big cartels.

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    4. Now that we are in the deepest shitty side of philosophy, what was first the chicken or the egg?
      --to me it does not matter, what matters is: who owns the goose that lays the biggest of the golden eggs?

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    5. 5:41PM

      That's not philosophy but biology. The egg came before the chicken because some dinosaurs, before chickens ever existed, laid eggs. Even if you sharpen your question it's already been adequately answered.
      Say-ahn

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  33. Le paso lo que al venado,cuando se calienta es mas facil de cazar... jajaja

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  34. They met in the jungle? What fucking jungle?

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    1. Has all the rain forest been destroyed in Mexico?

      Rain forest = Jungle

      Apparently you've never lived in or been to the interiors of LatAm.

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  35. chapo slipped up.

    he was bored after escaping as the cartel moved on without him. he was not needed by them anymore.
    he set his love sights onto del castillo,he was trying to impress her,she could of taken along a real cia spy and chapo would of met them,just to impress her.
    just think if this was happening to someone else in the cartel,all this heat being caused by someone below chapo,going public when he was still boss? chapo would not of stood for it,he would have them killed or arrested.
    smart move by the sinaloa cartel- give up two of the big problems to marina and gov. cholo ivan and chapo.
    now heat goes down,no more villages shot up,plantations burnt,coke loads busted. back to business for the cartel.

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  36. This falls under D.E.A. not CIA

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    1. The DEA couldn't get near him. So they asked the CIA for help. CIA can do more covert things than DEA.

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  37. THIS IS PROOF CHAPITAS A RAT WHY ONLY RATS FUCK WITH RATS Z40 IS THE REAL DEAL ILLUMINATI CANCELED CHAPITAS CONTRACT BB U KNOW THIS IS TRUE...THEN AGAIN BB IS RAN BY WHO? "THEM"

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    1. Excuse me sir, I couldn't read this. Your caps lock is on.

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    2. O give it a rest.

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  38. Penn was not around chapo when he got caught. Chapo and chapos people know who's to blame and it's not penn. The meeting between penn an chapo took place months before chapo was caught. The mexican marines did a fine job with the resources they had without penn. I still give penn credit for having the balls to meet him without fear or worries of being killed or tortured to show the world why people in mexico turn to trafficking drugs. When the gap between pverty and upper class becomes too big in any country, the poor will turn to elegal activity the same way it's becoming in the USA. Wake up America!

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  39. Guys, the info is out there...CIA has been involved with Mexican Cartels since the 50s.

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  40. Chapo is brilliant. He made this Chapo look-a-like give a shitty interview. Then het tipped off the marina so the fake Chapo was caught. Chapo snitched and will be cleaning up the plaza's before april.

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  41. Yes it is a common tactic of the CIA to use celebrities Dennis Rodman is their guy North Korea. Sometimes the celeb is in on the plan, other times they are just a useful idiot. I think Penn is the useful idiot.

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  42. A spook? No. A nitwit, yes. All security forces need do is follow Penn around. He pops in to meet highly controversial people. No secret.

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  43. Sean Penn wanted Kate Del Castillo and so he turned in El Chapo...

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  44. shuan penn is going to end up dead especially if Chapo gets sent to the USA

    and that kate chic might end up dead also

    ~~~el spaceio~~

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  45. ABLANDO CLARO....
    la captura del chapo esta acreditada a gente del chapo isydro.. acuerdense cabrones la zona norte de sinaloa la dominan gente de los beltran leyva. "esta captura esta acreditida a una llamada ciudadana" acuerdense cabrones.. ke trabajo de inteligencia ni ke la chingada blah blah blah... gente de los beltran hicieron la llamada anonima para dar con el cholo ivan. para suerte del chaparro estuvo en el lugar ekivocado.. ESTOS SON LOS ECHOS CABRONES IGNORANTES :-)

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    1. I thought snitchin' was only a practice performed by El Chapo. LOL anyway, If this was true, Beltranes would have killed El Cholo, thinking that he was so exposed with only like 10 bodyguards in enemy's turf (which makes the whole arrest story faker).

      Give me a break man, and don't be calling people ignorant es when you write like that, it's Hablando and Hechos.

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  46. @4:31 I throw the word ignorant out there based on all these wild theories not opinions amigo mio. and No you thought wrong. snitching is a well practice tactic amongs narcotraficantes but master to perfection amongs chapos and mayos. if your not doing it somebody is doing you. call it eliminando competencia, abriendo camino, suviendo de puesto, salvando tu pellejo. karma at its best if you can say.. just like he gave info to the dea on the arellano and associates.. somebody else return the favor. back to big guy and rusty, No thats something you would of love to happen pero no. sure the beltranes could of done that (shoot it out) but why not play it smart and let the MARINA ARMADA not the federales municipales or ejercito mexicano take care of it. la MARINA amigo mio.they have proven time and time again they are out to take care of business. beltranes make that call, whats the worst that could happen? 1. cholo chapo give up and they all get arrested 2. shoot it out like ABL did and they all died. its a win win either way amigo mio for whoever made that phonecall IM PRETTY SURE they knew they were taking out two birds with one shot Hablando Los Hechos :-)

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    1. 3:34 Very good points sir. Now here is a humble opinion... The 2014 arrest was in Mazatlan which is also supposed to be Beltranes turf. Chapo had only one bodyguard at the time so I think the most logical scenario was that Beltranes snitched too that day since virtually nobody knew of his location. (I personally never believed in that arrest because I think Chapo if in Sinaloa would never leave Badiraguato region at all).

      -Then Chapo escapes like from a movie with obvious corruption from authorities.- (I personally believe is another fairy tale just as the laundromat cart escape from 2001).

      So all of a sudden Chapo gets arrested again in Beltranes turf, I don't think he would make the same mistake twice. I also don't think Beltranes would send Chapo to jail knowing that he may be safer inside, running things still and with the possibility of escaping again with corruption.

      (I also believe that in "real life" the army never gets high profile bosses alive, when they go against them like that is to kill them because they know too much about corrupted officials all over the country not only a state, and all the way up to USA crooked agents too).

      I think that if Beltranes ever find El Chapo they will send all they got to kill him.

      In my opinion this is just a show and that is not El Chapo nor was in 2014.

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