Tuesday, December 1, 2015

Sinaloa: Vehicle VIN match in missing Australian surfers case

Lucio R. Borderland Beat
Reminiscent of the Harry Devert Kidnapping/Murder


Canada’s National Post and Associated press is reporting the Vin number on the burned out van found in Sinaloa with two  immolated bodies, is a match to a van registered in Alberta, Canada to Adam Coleman. This information came from PJGE Sinaloa (state atty general).

Sinaloa authorities have come under attack for being remiss in the case of the two Australian surfers in Mexico visiting friends and surfing, who went missing after being heard from last on November 20th.  Adam Coleman and Dean Lucas, childhood friends, were living and working  in Canada, and enjoyed traveling during the construction down time.

The van was discovered the next day, yet authorities did not connect the dots for over a week.  One story of speculation by authorities when the van was discovered by a resident,  was that the victims may have been transitory from northern Mexico, selling goods from their van.

Lucas and Cox his last FB post 5.15
This guesswork, even though the Australian Embassy had the report of the missing men and their exact location when they went missing.

Notification was registered with local government as well as inquiries by family and friends.   Newspapers in Mexico did not make the possible link until November 30. 

Relatives of missing persons usually turn to the press of their country when a loved one vanishes in Mexico.  That is a futile effort, contacting Mexican press is the best course of action, especially the smaller regional newspapers and radio stations.  

Embassies and agencies of ones nation of origin can do very little, the power is in the hands of Mexico.  This is not to say not to contact your embassy, just know they have no control in a foreign nation.

Authorities were asked why the VIN number was not matched before today.  The answer was,  “Most of the van’s paint had burned off and its license plates were missing.”

The bodies are undergoing DNA testing .

National Post:
“A spokeswoman for the Sinaloa attorney General’s office, said the two Australian surfers got off a ferry from the Baja California peninsula at Topolobampo, Sinaloa, at about 10:30 p.m. on the night of Nov. 20 
They apparently began driving immediately, but didn’t get far. 
The van and the bodies were found a day later in a rural area of Navolato, about 160 kilometres south of Topolobampo, after police received a citizen’s report on the abandoned vehicle.
“they may have camped out on the way to Guadalajara.” Said the spokeswoman.
Lucas’ partner, Josie Cox, said she’d received a text message the night of Nov. 20, and she said Coleman had planned to meet his girlfriend, Andrea Gomez, in Guadalajara, on Nov. 21.  She is in agreement that they may have pulled off road to catch up on some sleep.”

The case is reminiscent of the Harry Devert case.  Devert, an American who went missing and last
Coleman in Mexico
heard from while traveling through Michoacán.  Like Lucas and Coleman, Devert also traveled extensively.  Many of their travel log photos are interchangeable.

His mother Ann was relentless in her search for her son, she traveled to Mexico on a campaign searching for information that would lead to his whereabouts. 

Months after Devert’s his disappearance, an anonymous call gave the information that led to his dismembered remains.  He was suspected as being an U.S. agent by kidnappers.  Devert was traveling with two passports, French and American, with many “travel stamps” of various countries.  Devert, Coleman and Lucas were fluent in Spanish. 

It seems off that in a robbery scenario the killers wouldn’t make the effort of torching the vehicle, bodies, and removing the plates.  Those actions are done more in line with attempts to conceal identification,  in a robbery it doesn’t make sense, but in what is perceived as high-profile victims it does .

Harry Devert motorbike and remains discovered in Guerrero

All three men were 33 years of age on the day they went missing.

On Jan 25, 2014, the same day as Devert went missing so did another American, James Stacy, he was kidnapped in Tamaulipas.  His body and late model truck were never found.

From Dean Lucas travel log, in Zihuatanejo, the destination of Devert when he vanished

The National Post:
From Coleman's sister's FB
An online fundraising campaign to support the two men’s families to travel from their home in Golden Bay in Western Australia state had raised more than 22,000 Australian dollars ($16,000) within a day.
Family members will travel to Mexico within days to assist Mexican police and Australian consular officials. A GoFundMe page has received donations from almost 230 people since it was established late on Sunday.
“My brother’s family is overwhelmed by the response,” Coleman’s aunt Jane Cattermole said on Monday.
“Now they can bring Adam home,” she added.
A friend reflects on the life of Coleman, excerpt below is from an article published by ABC.Net.Au:

Mr Coleman 'in love and ready to settle down' 
Mr Osmanhodzic last caught up with Mr Coleman on a trip to Bali a year ago.
"He was going through this transitional period. He was about to go into the next chapter," he said.
"I reckon [the trip to Mexico] was his last trip, he was ready to settle down and you could tell he was in love."
Mr Coleman and Mr Lucas arrived in the Mexican state of Sinaloa on a ferry from Baja California at night before beginning a journey toward Guadalajara, some 900 kilometres away.
Their burnt out van was found a day later in a rural area of Novolato, about 160 kilometres south of Topolobampo.
Sinaloa is considered one of the most dangerous places in Mexico.
'I'm glad they weren't alone'
Mr Raitt said the pair would have had no hesitation travelling to the area.
"They would have thought 'this is going to be great fun, this is going to be awesome, everywhere we go there's going to be good people and we're going to have a ball'."
"That's just how they lived."
He takes some comfort in knowing they were together in their final moments.
"It gives me some sort of satisfaction that they were together," Mr Raitt said.
"They were lifelong buddies.
"They would have comforted each other in the worst moment of their lives and now they're resting together as well.
"I'm glad they weren't alone." 

136 comments:

  1. Poor guys what r u doing in mexico

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    1. Such hatred for foreigners sends an unmistakable message: stay away.

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    2. Yes u r right. All tourist r not welcome.

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    3. Im mexican my whole family is frim mexico live a min from camargo tamaulipas im the one who wrote poor guys what do u know we see whats going on in mexico and we dont go i know people that run shit down there and i still dont go no son of a bitch not a foreigners lots of family members gone missing good ones and not so good ones so before u open ur stupid ass mouth think of all the people that have been forced to leave there home land since the war began so we can live a few more years and yes we work and own sgit pay taxes and pay for u to have food on ut table yes u whore i am sending a message stay away from mexico . I am mexican my father mexican his father mexican we from mier tamaulipas and its sad that me a mexican telling people not to go to mexico the news here in frontera do not report on crime is shame lots of americans here in the rio grande valley that have hone missing where is there news page at why only for the guys that were surfing get the midia why not all of the people that have gone missing . We are in the front line si get a grip bitch

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    4. Foreigners bro im mexican my dad mexican his dad mexican wwe frim mier tamaulipas where the devil meets u at the entrence of the town shit yes im telling u not to go to mexico there is a war dont they read bb STAY AWAY from mexico

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    5. Thank you 7:22 am, it is a war, what the hell are people thinking!!? Stay Away From Mexico.

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    6. According to FBI; of 8 million Americans that visited Mexico there were 111 Americans killed in Mexico in 2010 and almost all killings in two border cities. Of the 111 almost 100% Americans killed (source doesn't give exact percent) were US gang members or Americans proven to be selling guns or in drug trade and with criminal pasts.

      Even with the total 111 (mostly dealing in illicit activity), there was a .00138% murder rate. I know for a fact that my high school in KC, and a few US colleges this year have a much, much higher murder rate than that! I'm a 9th grader and can do some objective research and 5th grade math and figure out that being a tourist to almost all of Mexico is safer than being a student at my school. Why don't some of you look at the facts and quit generalizing with ridiculous statements like "Mexico is at war". That's idiotic; but it would be accurate to say criminals are at war just like they are here in KC over who gets to sell dope where.

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    7. It is the state department that keeps numbers and they have consistently reported 20M americans into Mex each year. for 10 years it has been about the same. in 2013 there was 81 Americans killed in mexico out of 20M and in 2014
      it was 100 killed.

      However, playing odds is ignorant, visitors must also travel smart, know the place they are visiting and that means current not a month ago. see the state department website for good tips of what to do and not. what type of Taxis is important, those guidelines are important to know.

      http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35749.htm

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    8. My family is Mexican two family menbers kidnapped never heard from them again. I am just praying Mexican gov. will stop this

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    9. "Im mexican my whole family is frim mexico live a min from camargo tamaulipas im the one who wrote poor guys what do u know we see whats going on in mexico and we dont go i know people that run shit down there and i still dont go no son of a bitch not a foreigners lots of family members gone missing good ones and not so good ones so before u open ur stupid ass mouth think of all the people that have been forced to leave there home land since the war began so we can live a few more years and yes we work and own sgit pay taxes and pay for u to have food on ut table yes u whore i am sending a message stay away from mexico . I am mexican my father mexican his father mexican we from mier tamaulipas and its sad that me a mexican telling people not to go to mexico the news here in frontera do not report on crime is shame lots of americans here in the rio grande valley that have hone missing where is there news page at why only for the guys that were surfing get the midia why not all of the people that have gone missing . We are in the front line si get a grip bitch" A. You know nobody running shit in Mexico, tool. B. You put NO food on my table, asswipe. You take jobs away from americans if you are here illegal. C. No illegal worker is paying TAXES. How could they? No Social Security Number? You seem to be listening to the news too much. D. Why don't the mexicans in mexico have teh balls to fight? Maybe another revolution? Nah, let's run away. And before you blow your little titties off, I am Hispanic and cannot STAND illegals coming here.

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    10. I go to Mexico quite often and I feel fairly safe if i say so myself. Like every where else, you must do your due diligence in keeping safe. Not sure why these guys would drive through that part of Mexico at night.

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    11. 10:40 is not mexican lol he sounds like a bitter white red neck lol

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    12. This could not end any other way for these foreigners when they were reported missing. If someone goes missing in Mexico odds are they are dead. At least the families can take home a body even though the bodies are horribly burned. It's a terrible ending to a already sad story.

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    13. 9:43. One day you will realize that everything you read isn't true. Especially coming from the government. But you're a 9th grader, so I don't expect you to know much.

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    14. Chivis... im willing to bet the number of mexicans traveling to the US killed is far larger than visitors to mexico.. mexican immigrants are constantly targeted by thiefs and thugs here in Bay area

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    15. rip. Stick in the toll (couta) road. I drove from tijuana to san Ignacio sinaloa and nothing happened to me you know why, cuz I took the toll road all the way. I spent 95 bucks one way and it was worth it. Those little ranchos in sinaloa are littered with sicarios and narco, they get paranoid when new people stopsby especially at night time. I'm not saying they got confuse them as foreign agents cuz they speak Spanish. But the odds are they were mistaken to be agents, good build and speaks Spanish. What are these two white guys doing in sinaloa in a little dirt road near farming fields?

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    16. What is the meaning of that sign though? I know it's summit to do with Santa muerte but that's it?

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    17. Oh god.. I love those arguments.. taking jobs away from Americans, huh? And which jobs are those? I've worked construction, worked picking tomatoes, and lawn maintenance. I'd say the jobs most illegals are known for getting. And each time, I was the only white guy there. They were all illegals. Know why? Cause Americans are lazy, and don't want to work so hard for so little. In my years, upon years of work experience, I've never,ever been passed up by an employer so he could hire an illegal,and have never seen it happen to anyone else. So if that's so prevalent, why haven't I ever seen it? Or heard of it for that matter. Our infrastructure NEEDS these cheap laborers.they can work so much faster than anyone else for so much cheaper. Our country won't do too well without them. And for another generalization, I've never heard of an illegal obtaining welfare, or food stamps. So get off of it. Have some experience , first hand.before you make these old, unfounded arguments. Oh, and more and more, companies won't hire illegals because of the stigma, and because the government has been cracking down on this. They now favor flying Puerto Rican's in , housing and feeding them, and then charging then for it,while paying then minimum wage, practically enslaving them. And it's all legal. So as you pass that construction site, or that farm on your drive, please remember just cause their skin is brown, it doesn't mean they're illegal. If you are Hispanic, you should know better than anyone, that your arguments are obsurd

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    18. "Lazy Americans", yes but why? They can live as well being on welfare. Why work a labor job when they can sit on their ass and collect a check?

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    19. 9:43am; You are intelligent young person. You read and find evidence to form opinion. Most people are like sheep and they hear and then repeat with no individual thought or research. Keep up the evidence base thinking and you will do very well. I pray you stay safe at the school in KC. ( is that Kansas City?)
      Saludos joven

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    20. 10:30 Chivis - I don't think I understand the feedback your giving the young person. You state playing the odds is ignorant but I'm assuming this was not what you were intending to communicate. I drive to Mexico a lot, but I always play the odds by making sure I'm an hour or two south of any border town by sundown! :). Will you explain what you mean? Thanks Elonzo

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    21. "Hatred against foreigners" should be used sparingly, it looks like these murders were about the targets disrespecting the robbers, they would have been robbed by the needy robbers, that would have robbed anybody else all the same, regardless of the race, which is the specialty of mexican poolice officers and the military, not the specialty of the "mexican racist hateful narcos" that people in high positions in government still love to demonize so much...
      "just to put the straw on the foreign eye" which means no racism either, beg your pardon?

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    22. 1:16am - Your pretty classless telling a young person who had more substance in his or her post than yours (and frankly most of them on BB) that they aren't that smart. Were you a fat ugly kid that got bullied and needs to satisfy your need to insult back, or are you just a classless welfare couch potato like you sound? Please respond b/c I'm very curious what makes someone that worthless.
      Thank you in advance for your response.

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  2. The fucking cartels that kill innocent people should be dealt with by a reaper drone with hell fire missiles.

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    1. nothings going to happen come to Tamps. u can get kidnapped and kilt in a matter of hour,O' but Gov. Tore Cantu says its safe

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    2. Now I like this guy.

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    3. Viejidio torre cantu is a pinchi viejo joto y pedorro, priista and crooked, he takes $$$ from all sides and has them all murdering each other, y el que ganó ganó...
      As long as he has his personal protection and Herculos state poolice he don't care.

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    4. Man, you sound really intelligent, with you're call of duty knowledge of military hardware. Now, try making a real comment. One that takes a bit of knowledge, and understanding of how politics work, and why you're previous comment would never work. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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  3. En sinaloa los delincuentes y narcos no se meten con la gente, bla bla bla In Sinaloa criminal organisations don't mess with innocent people... this and many other killings of innocents is proof that cartels in mexico are all the same.!!

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    1. Navolato is blo territory

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    2. more like los narcos no se meten con la gente inocente que los apoyan

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    3. 8:49I hear people from sinaloa state say that all the time and I read borderland beat and see nany stories that say otherwise. All of the locals in mexico are in fear of their local drug cartels because every state has at least one cartel with sicarios running around with guns high on coke or crystal meth thinking they are god! Seen it myself inmany states from mexico.

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    4. 8:49 did you see the part where poolice impersonator wanna bes who probably were real poolice moonlighting to make ends meet were the ones blamed and caught?
      --We are lucky they did not have a topon with another set of murderin' racist mexican narco-kidnappers and shot all of them dead in self defense"

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  4. this is too sad,how evil

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    1. True on both counts. Tambien da mucha rabia.

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    2. The History of tourists n even family members crossing over n getting killed or kidnapped speak for itself, Stay away from Mexico. They took the risk n they suffered the consequences

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  5. no one is safe anymore,sucks

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  6. Chivis ubo balaceras en Reynosa el Lunes de esta semana ubo varios detenidos en los enfrentamientos uno de ellos era el Comandante Laredo el era el segundo de Juan Carrizales o más conocido como el 98. Le están pegando duro al CDG de Reynosa el gobierno le están limpiando la plaza a los Z o Ciclones.

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  7. I think you are correct Lucio, these two, as Devert was were mistaken for agents of some sort. Amazing how many similarities in the two cases.

    one other thing I suppose one should not do if having an encounter with bad guys, act dumb, DO NOT SPEAK SPANISH. that possibly could contribute to an assumption that a person is an agent. passport filled with frequent trips far and wide, speaks foreign languages ..fluently. Yup, it makes more sense.

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    1. That's good advice, but very hard to follow if you're truly fluent, or even good, in Spanish. I might start practicing that when I get pulled over down here or deal with any creepy people.

      I've always suspected one of the reasons foreigners are NOT generally kidnapped in Mexico is that the bad guys don't want to deal with someone they assume they can't communicate with.

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    2. Kidnappers don't give a damn about communicating, it's about money or revenge politics

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  8. usually surfers are left alone besides the usual mordida! been surfing in mainland numerous times y this sucks!

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  9. I read that Australia had contacted the U.S. for help, but it didn't say what type of help, anyone know?

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    1. The US isn't going to do anything. They let the nasty cartel bastards roam free in their States. The US is crooked.

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    2. Diplomatic circles can't really help and anything said that is said publicly is lip service that doesn't amount to squat in situations such as this tragedy.

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  10. Bottom line, if you're 33 years old don't travel through mexico!

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    1. That's an ignorant thing to say

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    2. 3:35 that is the ignorant version of an ignorant tourist commentator

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  11. sad story in other news we got 43 students missing in iguala somewhere. a whole busload ... lets find them ... common cbs and cnn and nbc and univision and telemundo

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    1. let's find them? what do you propose? and I suppose you think this was the first killing of normalistas?

      I hate people that jump on the band wagon and know nothing of what they speak of.

      why are you bringing up the 43? are you saying BB hasn't published the story? they were the first English language news outlet that I saw it in, and that was less than 12 hours after the attack. no other outlet had the story just type iguala in the search bar and see what a great job BB has done with the horrendous story. and see how they had been writing about the fosas in the area well before the night from hell

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    2. other news? the iguala story is from over a year ago.

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    3. 8:20 exacly! And nothing has changed

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    4. Tell that to the community in Carrizalillo, 8:20 AM.

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    5. 12:06 gets the benefit of the doubt and sovereign impunity for bringing up the fact that one new incident of 2 murdered touristas güeros get so all up there and everybody forgets all the other crap going on in mexico and all over the world, and on the US, san Bernardino CA, 14 murdered, 17 hurt, by the time I saw the news somewhere, because of the missteps the US foreign relations council takes while misleading the US down the path of militarism, interventionism, private military contractism, and supporting settler gangster states like isis and other rather unmentionables, sowing USAID Obamaphones to nurture revolutionary Arab springs of hate all over the world...just because it is, looks "easy"... on paper...

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  12. narcos took them inland to do the evil deed. just stating the obvious for some people wondering why the surfers went so far inland. they didn't

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    1. When getting you car permit the people alert the cartel and when u leave the Matamores they stop u. Than u r at the mercy of the cartel. good luck

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    2. They where not taken inland t

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  13. CHAPO must be mad he wants the heads of those responsible...

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  14. CBC Radio (Canada), with Ana,Maria Trimonte devoted a segment of her show to this sad story. By all accounts, these young men were good people, the kind that any of us would enjoy knowing. I have to say that if there is a lesson from this senseless, horrible tragedy, it's that now is not a good time to be tourists in Mexico.

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    1. Canadians know Mexico can be risky due in part to the poverty and struggles the good people face. However, most Canadians have NO idea (including myself until I stumbled across BlogDelNarco and Borderland Beat in a research project) about the Calderon vs. Cartel slaughterfest that ensued.

      Sure, most of us (Canadians) establish the 'safety' factor prior to travelling the world. But where in Canada does our media educate us on the real dangers with facts and graphics? Our radio stations give free trips to Mexico as prizes. My best friend can't wait to go back to Mexico despite me trying to show her articles w/pictures etc.

      If Australians, British and Canadians had REAL information, as Borderland Beat provides, in our mainstream media then one could lay blame on us for going into 'hot spots' but I assure you that not one of us who live a decent lifestyle (not talking about those who travel to Mexico for nefarious purposes) would ever think we'd visit Mexico to be tortured, raped, decapitated, dismembered. Adam Coleman and Dean Luca did not know how nightmarish their travel plans were and certainly did not deserve to be terrorized, afraid and killed. *(note to those who suggest they went to buy some light social contraband)

      It is impossible for most outsiders to understand Mexico's plight. We don't live, breath, sleep, nor know the land and its corruption. As Chivas once said, 'nothing in Mexico is what it seems'. That is a profound, grotesque and factual statement.

      To the girlfriends, family and friends of Adam Coleman and Dean Lucas I am sorry for your heartbreak and loss.

      Question: Why would these guys and Harry Devert be killed if suspected of being 'agents'? It doesn't make sense to kill 'agents' due to publicity and wrath of the USA government.
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      President Nieto, December is here. Will Dr. Mireles be home for Christmas?

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    2. True .I guess Mexico wants to keep its secrets to itself [might hurt tourism eh?]

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    3. It is in the hands of the judges, el señor mini presidente puts them in prison, others judge them, you think it is nice to steal the show about "saving mexico"?
      That evil Mireles did not even spend one cent and got more likes than me, damnit!
      Besides I am too busy forgiving and coordinating all my crook buddies activities, bertie boy, (chivis friend), osorio chong, chuayffet, marin, cantu, eruviel, all of them want their toys for tots, maybe the US will send some Hell's Angels to help?
      --pssst, We do not have many bandidos, mongols, or outlaws here...pssst...maybe they know sompim' 'bout mexico...

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  15. Since the CDS drove BLO back to the north lots of small time gangs have split off from BLO in the North and they are most likely the ones that kill these poor guys.

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    1. Ya because cds doesn't kill innocent people

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    2. For your information that area is where Carrillo Fuentes still operate ,my guess is that they were somehow confused with dea or cia agents unless these Australians tried to say the were DEA in a desperate attempt to get away which is the worst thing you could ever do in Sinaloa

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  16. I saw even fox news posted this story..

    Lol a few Australian/American/Canadians get killed in Mexico and the mainstream media reports, but you don't hear a peep about the violence in Mexico when its against its own people..

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    1. A Mexican gets kilt no news any where Mexico r US

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    2. Probably because it's so common. Tourist are not that common. Might as well write, today Mexicans were killed, and then just automatically print it everyday.

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    3. Oh gawd no Its bugging me!
      Its KILLED not KILT!
      A Kilt is a skirt a fuvking man wears in Scotland !
      Dumbass!

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  17. Its sad anywhere u have drugs u have death, that's anywhere. Too much money in it

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    1. Death is life's only guarantee, anywhere. Drugs kill, war & greed & weapons do, too. The problem is us--you and me. We let the horrors continue. LEGALIZE STOP THE BLEEDING

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  18. All these comments about don't go to Mexico, the hatred bla bla bla. People come up with a lot of answers with very little info. I see no connection or similarities between the Harry case and the Australians. BB I know it makes good press to push that scenario but you are reaching on this one. It was a robbery, the Aussies probably tried to fight back and it went bad after that. This was an isolated incident.

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    1. Hablando del "hatred" no tiene nada que ver... war is bad for tourism. Mexico is in a state of war.

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    2. Bla Bla Bla back to you idiot.

      if you can;t see the similarities, then you know little about the Devert case. and you are an idiot to think BB is after "good press", why would would bb care or want "good press"? it benefits them zero.

      the aussie tried to fight back? I see, you were there with your gopro? when have you heard of a robbery where they burn to destruction the victims and van, attempt to hide it and take the plates? oh yes, they sure looked as though they had tons of money inside that van...oh yes.

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    3. you fool, as if your comment had any "info".

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    4. Thank you 7:01 for your asinine comment. You basically prove that there are people in this world who live with blinders on 24/7. It's no wonder Mexico has become a slaughterhouse for good and "innocent" people because individuals like yourself have an excuse for everything wrong. These guys obviously did nothing wrong to end up being human charcoal. There is absolutely no excuse in the world for this to happen to these two surfers. You are so gullible that I bet you still believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy.

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    5. Being good or an innocent doesn't come with protection from harm.Think again 11:47 PM. F-o-c-u-s. Xmas is almost, here! Don't be pissin off Santa.

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  19. There are a lot of mexicans that have been deported from the U.S. in my experience these are usually the ones with all the hatred for foreigners here ln Mexico.


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    1. In reality, there are many people that hate the US all over the world, they have never been deported, they have never even been outside of their hamlets or little villages, but they have been on the receiving end of the charities and the tender mercies of the PAX AMERICANA efforts...

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    2. Haters are always gonna hate the greatest nation on earth. God bless the U.S.A. pese a quien le pese.

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  20. Great work Lucio. thank you.

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  21. I travel from Chihuahua City to El Paso once a month. I also travel way South quite a bit for business even though I am nervous to do so. I see Texas plates coming into Chihuahua and going into some of the ranching communities. Mainly to visit family. I see occasionally California, Arizona and other plates. But rarely. As I get further South towards Jimenez, Chihuahua, and even further South USA plates seam to disappear off the roads. Except my Texas plates which are on my truck. Sadly the Narcos and criminals love to take vehicles with Texas plates.

    The amount of murders in Mexico to foreigners is not that high. It is because most people fly into their destination. Those people are not killed much, but they are robbed, fleeced, drugged, scammed, rooms robbed and more at times. Much more than you would think, but it is not reported or statistics taken.

    When I travel further South you rarely see out of country plates. I rarely see plates from Coahuila, Durango and other states of Mexico here in Chihuahua. I saw some Durango plates on a red Volkswagen bug not to long ago when I went to Home Depot to buy something. The car was parked and the owner was laying behind it dead. He had just been shot. One of them had shot into the air to scare people away and to cause them not to stare. After the criminals left people did not exit the parking lot. They just walked past the body like nothing had happened and just went about their business as usual.

    If more American plates were to drive South you would see more killings I am sure of that. People know you are carrying money, credit cards, cameras and more. You are a moving billboard. People in the States have means and money. Most people know better than to drive to these more dangerous areas with out of state plates. Cheaper to fly and rent a car. Gas here is very expensive and lots of toll road costs. However safer on the toll roads. The people are very friendly. But to go South you have usually only one option as far as roads. If you are stopped by Federal police, military or other they can be linked to criminal organizations and usually are. They can pass your information on so that you can be detained down the road. The 80 Canadian and German tourists that were stopped and robbed of everything they had here about 1 1/2 months ago were in a tour group on their way to Basaseachi falls when they were stopped by men with automatic weapons. They caught the leaders and it just so happens it was 7 police officers.

    Fly to your destination. Do not risk your life. Tourists do not know the best ways and what to do to stay safe in Mexico. I would not camp out here in Mexico. Better in a hotel where you can park your vehicle inside the grounds. If you rent a car do not take roads that are not to far out of town and drive roads that are know tourist destinations. Lots of great people, But many bad ones are watching for an opportunity to make more in one haul than they normally make in a year. Most know they can get away with it too.

    I have seen so much of hidden Mexico, but that was over 30 years ago. I would never attempt those drives now. I would really like to travel to these beautiful destinations again.

    Just remember that most Mexican people are incredible and very generous even if they are poor. But they are also victims to the bad people here.

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    1. I went to the ranch in Tamps. a month ago, I did not feel safe

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    2. Mexicans are the kinds people it is a few bad ones that make the country look Bad

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    3. @8:20 Good info. You are spot on.

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    4. So true! The Mexico of old will emerge just as the bird of Phoenix.

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  22. Military age males, traveling solo or duo, need be VERY careful when traveling through conflict zones. Pay attention to border guards, if u see them carefully analyzing pages in your passport you can bet they are part of the cartels & you may want to turn around. These are the only people who'll see where you've been, apart from the odd hotel employee verifying an entry stamp. A normal border guard should carelessly flip to the last empty page to stamp, bad ones will scrutinize every stamp and someone will stop you down the road. It happened to me. If you're from any western country & you've got a stamp from ANYWHERE in the mideast you're automatically assumed gov agent & fuc**ed. Fact is there's nothing in Mexico you can't find in a million other countries in Latino America that are not at war, makes no sense to do tourism in Mexico right now. We can only pray these pour Ozzies had a quick death. RIP.

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  23. We know Pena Nieto has not been effected by the Cartel so doesn't care

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  24. My immediate thought to the breaking local Canadian news [2 young Australian surfers driving a van plated in Canada go missing in Mexico] was "What were they thinking!" Having lived and worked (legally) in Mexico... and being an avid reader of BB for years, it was a logical thought. But for most, aside from it's dedicated readership, BB is not a mainstream news source. Foreign gov't sites issue vague travel warnings. Avid young traveling adventure seekers have a history of believing they are immune to danger. This makes for a tragic ending. RIP.

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  25. Canooks, so many places to travel and you go to Sinaloa???

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    1. You have to drive through there to get to puerta vallarta.

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    2. It's Canucks pendejo.

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    3. 7:46 is el masca-canicas for calling people pendejos a lo pendejo

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  26. Thank you for the very informative warnings about travel in Mexico. What. You wrote jibes well with my own experiences.

    I would never again risk driving anywhere in Mexico as I know that one can be an easy crime target of some kid, innocent looking halcon, store clerk, mechanic.... or even the police . Too bad, such a beautiful country ruined for tourism for generations unless it wakes up and transforms itself drastically....
    Mexico-Watcher

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  27. Also there´s no safe place all around Mexico, nor time or road, now nobody can predict if is going to be robbed or murdered, and there´s no difference if you are mexican or foreigner. its just luck to survive in Mexico. those who say is safe are not saying the true, or not living in mexico or are friends of outlaws

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  28. BREAKING NEWS: SAN BERNARDINO MASS SHOOTING reports of 20+ victims at regional center for developmentally disabled.

    readers in inland empire: still very active sheriff says to stay indoors. around waterman and 10 fwy area near hospital

    says 1-3 masked shooters

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    1. They guy in a black SUV and got away. So much for the weak argument about how dangerous Mexico is and how safe the USA is.a disability center of all places.

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    2. NBC, LOS ANGELES:About 11 a.m., up to three people entered a center that serves people with developmental disabilities in the 1300 block of S. Waterman Avenue in San Bernardino (map) and opened fire with hundreds of people inside, according to the San Bernardino Police Department.
      Obviously, at minimum, we have a domestic terrorist-type situation that occurred here.Jarrod Burguan, San Bernardino Chief of Police
      "They were dressed and equipped in a way that indicated that they were prepared," San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said. "We have no information at this point that this is terrorist related in the traditional way people may be thinking. Obviously, at a minimum, we have a domestic terrorist-type situation that occurred here."
      Authorities were searching for those involved. Multiple agencies, including the FBI and ATF, were assisting with the investigation.

      Police: Gunmen in San Bernardino Mass Shooting 'Came Prepared.' Images from the scene showed law enforcement personnel armed with rifles and wearing protective gear fanning out across the area, as emergency responders treated multiple victims in the street.

      "They were being carried on trucks… They were shot, they were injured. Some of them did not survive," said NBC Los Angeles reporter Tony Shin, describing victims he saw being brought to the triage area.

      The shooting broke out at the Inland Regional Center, which serves more than 31,000 people with developmental disabilities in San Bernardino County and neighboring Riverside County, according to the center's website.

      According to the site, the facility is the largest of California's regional centers, and is "a nonprofit, private community-based agency that is proud to help obtain services and support for our constituents."

      Law enforcement officers were going through the "tedious" process of clearing the three-story building, where multiple people were still inside, San Bernardino Police Lt. Richard Lawhead said.

      One man at the scene said his daughter, who works at the center with the mentally disabled, had texted him. She was hiding in a closet with other people, he said. The man was still awaiting a text to ensure that she is OK.

      Another man told NBC Los Angeles his sister has cerebral palsy and attends the center. NBC Los Angeles photographer Alex Vasquez made his way to the Inland Regional Center soon after the shooting and said he saw many people with severe injuries, and that he spoke to some who were in shock.

      "They heard many gunshots. A lot of people were just yelling for their loved ones," he said.

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    3. They just shot them up at 2pm

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    4. LA TIMES TWITTER:
      Developing: Dispute at party may have sparked #SanBernardino mass shooting that killed 14 lat.ms/1HGEZDS
      21 mins ago - TwitterDeveloping: Dispute at party may have sparked #SanBernardino mass shooting that killed 14 lat.ms/1HGEZDS
      21 mins ago - Twitter

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    5. I'll take my chances in LA, Compton, Watts and even East Los before I would go to Mexico. The closest I get is looking into Juarez from I-10 by the Sun Bowl.

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  29. This world is messed up! I feel for the mexican people and their troubles they face everyday. And the lack of breaking news about their situation they live in year round. Makes me sick. BE STRONG MEXICO.

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    1. Well said diggers,be strong diggers,never submit to those bullies we had the private exchange about,no need to mention the ky,bullies usually get their come-up-pance in the end,just like countries...

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  30. "Everywhere we go there's going to be good people."

    Folks, if you take anything from this horrible incident, you need to know that everywhere you go there's going to be a lot of bad people. When traveling in a 2nd or 3rd world country you need to a realist, not an idealist.

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  31. The WHOLE situation reeks, terrible tragedy for everyone involved. Thank you Lucio , and BB staff who know a lot more about everything than most of these commenters/arm chair quarterbacks. No one knows much and may never will. The whole world is being ruined and fueled by these new strong hard drugs. The many innocent good people that have to live in these conditions, not to mention all the Mexicanos that lose their lives that we in "the first world " will never even hear about. Meanwhile EPN is touting " progressiveness " on Climate Change while he is determined to pave over more of Mexican beaches with five star resorts and golf courses aka giant money laundering machines to make Mexico the PRIMER tourist " destination" once again while he spends dinero on a new presidential jet. Disconnect ? Perhaps an end to THE WAR might encourage more tourists, not to mention saving some gorgeous pristine habitat for tourists who would be more than happy to support the flailing economy.........but , then again most tourists wouldn't want to see the real Mexico let alone hang out with real Mexicans. Turning half the population into low wage servants AND druggies while the traditional cultural values go afuera la ventana is not all that appealing to many Mexicans. I read this am that the. HIV/AIDS rate is up 30% in BCS . I don't have answers either but VIVA LA RAZA, Mexico.

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  32. This was reported in forum from abc.net.au "An investigative reporter told the ABC the zone was controlled by a gangster nicknamed El Montano, who is part of the Los Dámaso gang, and that gang members have been on the alert for strangers in their communities ever since Guzman's escape in July."

    Anyone know about this gang?

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    1. Figures. Is it me or does D always have some sloppy shitheads?

      La Paz became a scumbag's playground, because of his "special forces", and now this.

      Hopefully the assholes are caught and/or made an example of.

      If D really does have control over his group, these idiots will turn up in no time.

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    2. mini lic and lic the father

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  33. Earlier today noticed a more than warning from Canadian gov. discussing concern related to several serious incidents of Canadian citizens being targeted.

    The date was second week of November. A TV news clip on You Tub.

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  34. Chivis
    leader of la linea arrested in Guerrero Chihuahua and three people also reported dead a few days ago

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  35. Poor guys, I suppose they were inocent tourists, just like the 14 Mexican tourists killed in Egypt recently. This world is crazy, I just read about SAN BERNARDINO MASS SHOOTING, 16 PEOPLE KILLED, MANY MORE WOUDED, were are our kids going to live?, Yes 9.45, it is much more dangerous to be an American in America than a tourist in Mexico, statistics don't lie, besides it is even more dangerous to be a driver ANYWHERE in the world, cars kill more people, lets try to look outside and see our "real" world.

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    1. They give visas 2 muslims and even then the Americans won't learn. Muslims are here to destroy America. Mexicans are here 2 work. Mexicans love 2 procreate and some like 2 get high. Yet Mexicans are looked down on. Go figure.

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  36. Can you post the story about the daughter of a DEA chief in Texas found with multiple drugs in her bedroom including Cocian, meth, extasy & Marijuana.

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    1. I think they did a movie on that one, "Traffic".

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    2. College Station,Tx female drug dealer Sarah Elizabeth Furay daughter of DEA agent

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    3. The news is catching up to traffic tijuana/califas style all over the US, of course while daddy is too busy collecting mordidas from cartel members, members of the cartels are getting money from the richest, and some of them are rich pooliticians kids...

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  37. Wow, great way to promote tourism idiots! The Mexican government is not only corrupt but slow and inept too.

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  38. Very foolish . Sure I hear all of you saying "its safe . They were safe until they weren't . It don't happen until it happens . There will be no criminal road blocks on my way into town . It is to risky for a criminal . As a law abiding citizen I will kill his ass . How many people in Mexico can say that . "When guns are outlawed , only outlaws will have guns.

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  39. Update:

    The two victims found in the van received gunshot wounds before the van was doused with gasoline and burned.

    Former state police officers from Culicán are the presumed killers.

    State AG says it was not related to "organized crime" though:

    http://www.milenio.com/policia/Ex-policias-estatales-asesinato-australianos-responsables-Sinaloa-investigaciones_0_639536063.html

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  40. Pinchiles alucionados de Sinalo que dicen que que El Chapo no deja que le hagan cosas malas a la gente innocente! Como es que este estado tiene de las cifras mas altas de homicidio entonces? Hasta sobrepasa las sifras de Chihuahua por lejos hoy en dia!
    Sinaloa es un pinche estado que puro pinchi narco de mierda prepotente te mata nada mas porke te atraviesas en su paso mientras manejan ellos y andan bien drogados. Si dices un comentario que no les paresca como que las pinche botas de Durango no valen madre te matan. Si les tiras una bebida en un antro por accidente te matan. Si no te acuestas a dormir o tiras una fiesta sin permiso de los cabecillas te matan. Te matan porke les pegas con un balon de futbol por accidente tambien. Cuando opinabas como lo estoy haciendo por internet te amenasaban y si se daban cuenta de quien eres tambien te mataban. Por cualquier escusa te matan los culeros, no respetan la vida humana! Haci que no salgan con que en Sinaloa nomas matan a gente que la debe!

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  41. Chicago is more dangerous than Sinaloa for a tourist. This story does not add up. Cartels typically don't kill tourists, so this was likely a petty robbery or drug deal gone wrong. As someone who goes to Sinaloa regularly and has family there, it is both good and bad. What is very bad about this though is that there will be no justice, unless the cartels do the job for them.

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    1. I hope the cartels get the killers, if that's the case. Arrests have been made, this could be for show. Cartel intel probably knows what is true.

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    2. Chicago is only dangerous if you gangbang. The majority of the murders in Chiraq are gang related. Don't believe the hype amigo. The 400 plus murders that have occurred in Chiraq so far this year is the same as a two month total in Sinaloa.

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  42. Four suspects in the alleged killing of two Australian tourists were arrested by members of the Attorney General of the State (PGJE).
    The detainees are Julio Cesar Gonzalez Muniz, Martin Muñiz Ponce, Sergio Benitez Gonzales and Jesus Uriel Camacho.
    The fifth course Luis Enrique Espinoza is involved Bojorquez who is a fugitive.
    According to the PGJE the five are linked to the killing of two people who could be of Australian Dean Lucas and Adam Coleman.
    PRGE DETAINS FOUR. RIODOCE Dec 4 2015

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  43. BREAKING NEWS
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/12/04/world/americas/ap-lt-mexico-australians.html?_r=0
    NY TIMES REPORTS ARRESTS OF AUSSIE MURDERERS/ ROBBERS

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  44. I just spent the past month in Los Mochis and got back 2 days ago. I'm a white American 30"s and my wife if from there. Each year we spend one month there. It was very safe and nice city as long as your not in bad business.

    I really think this was cholo robbers. I have driven around the greater Mochis area many times and the only issue that I encounter is an extremely poor person that thinks I have money.

    The cartel has better things to do than kill surfers, plus this is attention to Mochis. It like any city stay out of the crapy part of town.

    What people don't realize is that in While it's a very pretty state with great beeches, it also has some very poor towns.

    They were not wise if they drove off the 15 to save toll money. Oh yeah what ever moron suggested that chapo has suspicious people killed is just a moron. I'm pretty sure he cares more about his business then some gringos

    I assure you I stick out there but I'm a computer nerd and stay in at night so i have always avoided problems. (With the exception of The occasional police shakedown when I drive lol)

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  45. It's just VIN, "Vehicle VIN" actually reads "Vehicle Vehicle Identification Number". :v
    but yeah we all know they're done already.

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  46. This story truly saddens me as much as it angers me! These two individuals despite what they saw and read about the state of this country still chose to visit and enjoy it's wonderful landscape. It is evident how good hearted they were. I'm assuming that like many of us, they too still believed that there are far more good and honest people than evil ones. Yet, regrettably, they encountered these savages with no regard for a human life. These animals are not Mexican. I hope they rot in prison first, then in hell.
    They are a despicable form of cancer that has invaded this once beautiful land. I blame the government! It is their job to create opportunities for its citizens. It's the lack of jobs and perceived future that has allowed this scum to thrive.

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    1. Its more than that.The government already knew about this hwy robbery crew.I would say it should be their job to clean it up unless.....there was something in it for them....$.

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  47. 4:52 You should be arrested and deported for driving while white in mexico, papers or no papers, just to give you a taste of your own soup, but i'd let you go for mil pesos!

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