Friday, December 4, 2015

Sinaloa: arrests made in the Australian surfer murders

Lucio R. Borderland Beat republished from NYT with info from Reforma

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Take it or leave it, authorities have solved the crime, and arrested the suspects, the same authorities who previously claimed the bodies sustained no gunshots...here is what they now claim ......LR

Three suspects ( Julio Cesar Gonzalez Muniz, Martin Rogelio Muniz Ponce and Sergio Simon Benitez Gonzalez) have been detained in connection with the presumed killing of two Australian tourists who went missing last month, prosecutors in Mexico's Sinaloa state said Friday.

State prosecutor Marco Antonio Higuera said the three men were robbing motorists on a stretch of highway leading south through Navolato, Sinaloa. He said two other suspected members of the robbery gang remained at large.

The three were arrested on low-level drug-dealing and weapons charges, but Higuera said he expects homicide charges to be filed against them soon.

"This is just a gang of five people who committed highway robberies. They don't have links to drug cartels," Higuera said.

One of them had previously been investigated for the killing of a man in a similar robbery, prosecutors said.

The gang is alleged to have killed Adam Coleman and Dean Lucas after Coleman resisted the robbery just after midnight Nov. 21. The thieves allegedly shot the two Australians to death, then doused their van with gasoline and set it afire.

Two charred bodies found inside the van the next day have not yet been positively identified. Tests are continuing. But the van's vehicle identification number matched one registered to Coleman in Canada.

Evidence presented at a news conference showed the arrested men had rifles, a shotgun, pistols, 124 small bags of methamphetamine and jackets with police logos on them. It was unclear whether they were wearing the police jackets at the time they allegedly stopped the van.

According to prosecutors, a lookout for the gang spotted the van before it got to Navolato and advised his accomplices it was a likely target.

The thieves apparently stopped the van after it passed a toll booth, as the two Australians drove south through Sinaloa toward Guadalajara, Mexico's second largest city.

Prosecutors said the thieves, traveling in an SUV, forced the van to stop. Coleman purportedly struggled with the thieves, and one of them shot Coleman, but he didn't die immediately. The van was then driven to a rural road, where both victims were apparently shot to death and one member of the gang lit the van on fire.


Coleman and Lucas were traveling to Guadalajara from Edmonton, Alberta, and failed to arrive as planned on Nov. 21. The two surfers got off a ferry from the Baja California peninsula at Topolobampo, Sinaloa, at about 10:30 p.m. on Nov. 20. The burned-out van was found the next day.

138 comments:

  1. menchos brother arrested in jalisco

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    1. I bet el chaparro wants to take jalisco back hopefully he dosent.

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    2. Jajajajaj pinche gobierno jodido. Nadamas sale en la prensa de extranjemros muertos y de volada salen los culpables. Que tal toda la gente de Mexico que esta muerta por la delinquencia? Ojala llegara el gobierno Americano a limpiar el Gobierno asqueroso de Mexico. Me da pena decir que soy Mexicano.

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    3. Jalisco belongs to los MICHOACANOS los cuinis de Apatzingan i el Mencho no se confundan jaliskillos ya saben kien es su padre

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    4. --Wonder who sent the dogs to get nacho coronel bitten on the ass for the jalisco meth business, but I think the mexican government did the job for them, now they seem to be sorry...

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  2. Los entregaron! Calentaron mucha la plaza

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  3. Gringos at midnight in Sinaloa, what's wrong with that picture

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    1. That state and most of Mexico is NOT safe for ANYBODY at ANY time!

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    2. 6:15 PM, What's wrong with this picture? Everything! Coleman and Lucas were seasoned travelers, they wouldn't have been that foolish in Sinaloa at midnight. This story went large internationally, headlines are why these known criminals have been arrested in an effort to quell the public outrage. Mustn't scare off the tourists, yea?

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    3. Terrible thing . That said . "Seasoned travelers that wouldn't be foolish enough to travel at midnight ? Come on now ! Foolish is any vacationer in Mexico . Mexico has a very long history of predators roaming looking for prey . Sure a lot of people come in and out and make it . My take on it is if you travel long enough down the highway in a foreign vehicle you will be spotted because there are people looking for YOU .

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    4. 6:15pm; Sinaloa is one of the safest states to drive in at night - especially carretera 15 along the pacific. Yesterday I crossed Laredo at 2:13pm (according to my bridge 2 lane 4 receipt) and hit Durango, DGO at 11:11pm according to my PMex factura and drove through the the mountains (stopped to eat a gordita right across DGO- SIN border around midnight, and arrived Tony's Tacos a las 2am in Mazatlan. Blond headed white skinned guero drove brand new 2016 Tahoe (comfortable ride but I prefer my 2014 Expedition - the new Tahoe feels like a car).

      There's no war going on in Mexico except gangs against gangs. Sorry to spoil the "failed country" view of Mexico; but in Sinaloa its narcotrafficking - just like USA; gangs kill gangs for plaza y piso. No hay sequestadores y extortionistas en Sinaloa - es malo por negocio. Saludos y otra ballena porfa! Sinaloense jahhaaaaaraaaadita guey!

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    5. 6:15 & 11:10 - you are talking out your ass with no basis I saying foolish, illogical, etc to travel up or down carretera 15 in a foreign plates car and that there "are people looking for you". Do this; drive carretera 15 from Sonora through Sinaloa to Nayarit and you will see that there are Texas, Arizona, Canadian, and other plates traveling at all hours; and white skinned blond haired people with families or like myself driving alone. I just pulled into Torreon to eat at Denny's (it's 11:34) and I will drive safely to Saltillo or Monterrey in several hours. Do it all the time and have been for decades, drive a new $50k plus vehicle and I have never been accosted, followed, robbed, etc in Mexico. I wish I could say same for Houston and Philly but unfortunately I can't. Point is-don't make these blanket inaccurate statements. Mexico is not at war - that's ridiculous and there are hundreds of young people enjoying themselves in Torreon tonight that I see out the window of Denny's dancing at Boston Grill and other cantinas. Mexican gangs are at war just as the gangs are on some side of every city in America where the gangs are selling their dope, and their buyers are happily giving them reason to. It's simply not fair to imply that driving in Mexico on the busy carreteras is a suicide mission and these totally inaccurate statements only continue to hurt the hard working people trying to make an honest living. The border towns are not an accurate portrayal of most of Mexico's cities and towns.

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    6. You people read too much BB....yes MX has serious problems but millions of tourists travel every year all over the country....most often a shake down for a bribe is the worst thing that happens....fucking w foreigners is baaad for business and I'm sure cartel members are ordered not to....gringos still have kike the saint protecting them in mx

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    7. This is exactly why i supported and support Arturo Beltran Leyva and his brother El Mochomo Alfredo Beltran Leyva! These guys will find and kill these scum bags! Any who get caught fucking with normal citizens will pay with their life period! fuck man i wish Mexico would change there constitution to support a "we the Mexican people here by declare the right to keep and bear arms and the right of the people shall not be infringed"! this means i would be rolling down the high way with an AK

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    8. Chalino, 4:08 - I respectfully but strongly disagree. Many people think Chapo gave el Mochomo to militar but I do not think this is true because Mochomo was smart. I do know with absolute confidence that Arturo's plaza bosses initiate huge business of extortion y many sequestadores once Mochomo was detained and he also have hijo de Chapo killed in busy mercado with grenades and many guns. In all areas around Guasave, Mochis, Guamúchil, Acapulco, y all plazas were Arturo plaza jefe worked they kidnap people who do not wash money, sell drugs, and were regular people. Even for some months in Mazatlan - thank god they were stupid criminals and very fast people of Chapo's son cleaned the problems and it is tranquil to this time. Remember Arturo became friend of Zetas. In 2006 Arturo, Alfredo and maybe 10 men were taking lunch at our club and Arturo alone was very fucked up and act and say many things crazy to workers and members. We left almuerzo without taking lunch because Arturo was crazy. If Chapo take Mochomo it was only that he would not make right Arturo who was not discreet and big criminal more than narcotrafficking.

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  4. jajajajajajajaja . they can be jailed next to the dude who shot Colosio, and if they need super max well chapos old cell is empty at the moment .. lets get a singer involved and make a crazy bad ass corrido that makes the kids dance and cheerlead . great job mexican authorities damn they are quick

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    1. What are the odds that #3 in picture mayan jose, is in the USA like many of them do, when they do crimes in that country....they flee and hide in the us..

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  5. Wow you're telling me the Mexicans actually solved a crime?! Get the fuck out of here. Another country puts pressure on the them and they go pick up a couple of cracked out bangers. No surprises here..

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    1. exactly what happened.

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    2. Mexican police solved it ? If its solved the powers that be solved it for the Mexican police.

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    3. Theyre not all idiots like u think ok

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    4. Yeah - that is funny. Kind of like what happens in the states when an innocent or especially a white non-impoverished person is a victim. I wonder how many of the 410 homicides Chicago solved in 2014? I'm sure black young males are real high on their priority list of solving their murders.....but I bet the rate is higher for the white kids with wealthy parents who were on the south side buying their dope. Yeah - American is just so different than Mexico. By different I mean we buy and incentivize the drugs they deliver for us....but crime solving priorities are still reserved for the right color and class.

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  6. That was the Quickest "murder investigation " under the mexican authorities, i don't even know if my 5 year old believes that... lol

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    1. My dog doesnt believe it....

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    2. It's a joke. As an Australian I am embarrassed. Why should my compatriots get priority over the Mexican people?

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    3. Its all for show, these guys are some random crack heads being blamed to make it look like the "authorities" actually do something. This takes the heat off the ACTUAL killers which are probably the police! SCREW MEXICO and their lawless land , sorry but there is not hope for mexico, soon the only tourists will be the narcos vacationing on the beaches , because they will kill the slowly dying tourism industry next.

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    4. Because they are white not brown. Mexico doesn't want too much attention from the international community so they will do what's necessary in the media's spotlig. It's all about tourism nothing else.

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    5. 9:28 it is a matter of national security, it is better to sacrifice 5 or 7 poolice officers that "were not even on the payroll yet or anymore" than have tourism scared away, for this incident only..
      Do not get all greedy, peacock ass feathers...
      --do you really think the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia is going to solve all the crimes against mexicans and arrest all the suspected or confirmed poolice, military, private security, thar are known or suspect of crimes against mexicans and against humanity? They serve their foreign masters well...for the time being...

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    6. I would hazard a guess that neither el Chapo or RCQ knew about any of this until after the fact.

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  7. Chapo is too nervioso he thinks any American or white English speaking, that drives by sinaloa is a dea,fbi or Interpol agent and the order not to take any chances. ..

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    1. Lol so you really think that Chapo got told that some australians had been picked up in navolato and he said "kill them"? He had nothing to do with it!

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    2. LOL. do you really think chapo would dare to touch a DEA agent?

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    3. Oh, hell yeah, 10:47. In a heartbeat.

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    4. Chapo won't touch them, his people will. He doesn't get his hands dirty anymore. C'mon you should know that already. Atte el morroñis de la palma navolato, sinaloa ajuuaa

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    5. Yes im sure Chapo touched these guys im sure Rafa told him too do it we all know how it went for him and the great vacation he had to take

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  8. "Low level" drug dealing charges? I thought mexico goes hard on drug charges..

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    1. Well if 124 packages of shit is low level.. how do you think the big boys do it?

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  9. Wow so fast , dam mexican police are good lol why is it that when a foreigener is kill the responsibles get caugth like the next day but when a mexican is murder they never caugth nobody

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    1. goes to show how much Mexicans value Mexican lives....ni madre!

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    2. Money. The Mexican authorities know which side of their tortilla holds the goody. They're not going to throw away the hundreds of millions of U.S. dollars that they're given to "fight the Drug War". It's laughable.

      US: "You guys keep your mouths shut about the deplorable work conditions that NAFTA has created and keep our gringos...meehhhh....KINDA safe. The check is in the mail."

      MEXICO: "Si, Senor!"

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    3. Since you used the term gringos to refer to a certain race, use wetbacks, spics, or beaners, to refer to the other race .thank you.

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    4. No seas tan HP 7:27 PM. Mal dicho.

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    5. What about the "pinchis gringos de mierda" that represent the american people?
      I ask because there are many great american people that never mess with other peoples to do them any harm

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    6. That's daft 7:27. Gringo is not nearly as offensive, wipe. Gringito works. Spicito doesn't. Wet backcito doesn't, either. Gringo huevón que se las pisa is a perfect fit.

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  10. Yeah , sure .
    Pin it on a bunch of thugs, one that looks like he has chimp features, and let the real culprits , the police, get off just to shut everyone up.

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  11. Huge New Development - this report says the two guys were being cautious and took toll roads. But on the TOLL ROAD a fake cop vehicle pulled them over and shot one of them on the side of the TOLL ROAD.

    Yes, it was at night, but this is a whole new ball game - US State Dept. etc.

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    1. These two were Australians living in Canada....the U.S. State Department has nothing to do with it.

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    2. @ 7:12 PM:

      Let me introduce you to the commonly used "etc." It means "and the rest." That's about 2nd grade level.

      And I was referring to the government travel alerts that now have to be updated.

      Any questions?

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    3. These fake poolice officers are as fake as the 1 million dollar each brand new televisa narco vans trapped somewhere in SouthAmerica loaded with cocaine and millions of dollars...and comandante lorena's not with the SSP and ot with any police corporation that was SSP anyway, with cover-up crime artists luis cardenas palomino and genaro garcia luna (property of Carlos Slim Helú)...
      --When you get stopped to be robbed by anybody, calmly leave your vehicle and your property behind and walk away respectfully, and make sure you are safe somewhere before it gets dark...or better, keep out of mexico...

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  12. Ware hen the Mexican "authorities" are going to "solve" the murder of those three American brothers and sister murdered in Matamoros? Or the two American brothers who were U.S. Army and U.S. Marine veterans kidnapped by armed men and never seen again in Matamoros? Oh yeah, these five were Americans of Mexican descent, if they were white, the Mexican "authorities" would have solved the crimes in less than a week.

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  13. THOSE ARE NOT CHAPOS PEOPLE, they are menchos. Mencho doesn't pay them well enough that they have to go stealing. El chapo pays well, great benefits and all. Truly a great cartel to work for. Mencho will be caught early March. Atte el morroñis de la palma navolato, sinaloa ajuuaa.

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    1. Hahahaha
      I love your comments! So your saying Mencho's people weren't getting paid enough so they decided to move to Sinaloa and start sticking up people on the side of the road?

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    2. So Mencho is in Navolato? I didn't know they had made it that deep into Sinaloa. Sounds like they are making ground.

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    3. Maybe blo or enemies like z or cdj trying to heat up the plaza

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    4. El chapo is the bezt #1 fanboy atte.el moronis de la palma navajoa sinoloa

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    5. Since when do narcos give benefits hahaha I'm a go see if they offer 401k too lmao no estas mas pendejo nanas porke te faltan vitaminas

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  14. Sounds like an escape goat so everybody can shut the fuck up

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    1. Absolutely, right on.

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  15. Not worth the fight over material possession, not saying they would have killed them anyway, but fight back without a weapon, and assuredly, one stands a much worse fate. Better to give up the keys and walk away alive.

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    1. But they sounded like they didn't have that option.They were being forced into the narcos jeep.Why didn't the narcos just take the keys,drive off and leave them on the side of the hwy?Ive hitch hiked at night in Mexico after running out of gas and try getting anyone to stop.Good luck so the thieves would have had plenty of time to clear out.

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    2. How ladylike, running out of gas, and in mexico, I swear that looks intentional, canadiana, I hope you got lucky

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  16. Dog Chapman returns! Actually, very sad story as they got off the ferry at 10:30pm so they could have been targeted as lodging could have been hard to find at that time of night, etc.

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    1. Topolobampo is the port for Los Mochis. There are always plenty of lodging options there. Given that they were in a van and, presumably camping in it, they could have found tons of places to park overnight. It's unfortunate, but they were advised by a Mexican national (girlfriend of one of the men) to NOT travel at night. Had they stuck to the daytime it's probable that they would've lived to see Guadalajara.

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  17. I mean no disrespect to these two lives that were tragically cut short, however, if the Mexican Police can so quickly catch the perpetrators who murdered my fellow Australians then there is absolutely no excuse for the apathy that is shown when the lives lost are Mexican.

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    1. True enough. It's all horribly gone wrong when a country places so little value on the lives of its own people. Sadly, this seems to be the case with too many countries at this point in time. Until, we all get that every, single life is more precious than all the treasures of the universe combined, until this becomes our core societal value, we're fucked.

      GADEJO

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    2. Mexicans murdered are not worth arresting anyone with less than three or four hundred murders in their record, and 3000 or more ordered...
      Foreign tourists are worth creating at least 10 presuntos presumed guilty culpables
      --i read somewhere the investigations of colossio murder led to about 50 witnesses deaths and one fake conviction...

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    3. GADEJO, NO SEAS PENDEJO...
      --MEXICO DOES NOT EXPORT WEAPONS TO ALL OVER THE WORLD, AS SALES OR AS DONATIONS, MUCH LESS AS FOREIGN AID...
      while the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia has just made it a law that mexico can now cooperate in "rescue operations" for peace or sompim' around the world to "help" the United Nations that have been hijacked by US and other global privatizing narco-extremista vulture capitalistas...Mexico does not yet export war, murder or genocide, but they are working on it to seal the deal in blood...
      --Mexicans need to learn to pay their corrupt murdering narco government in kind and stone them to death...
      --"well said" my ass...

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  18. El Cachorro arrested the other day in chihuahua leader of the 20's cartel in Juarez

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  19. That picture all the way to the right with the black shirt has an on point poker face. Jaja

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  20. What the fukc is ratatouille ( pic #2 ) doing as a suspect? Hahahaha

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    1. That's what I was thinking too,damn fool in pic #2 tiene las orejas de Topollillo el guey.

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    2. And the last one looks like a cracked out George Clooney.

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  21. It's sad because the family are going to be talking to the Sinaloan authrorities not knowing that literally everyone including the governor works for CDS. Navolato has both BLO and CDS presence I think. Either way this won't change anything. These guys are scapegoats.

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    1. Beautifully put, 1:28 AM.

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  23. They are known to rob people there. CDS punishes robbers, wasn't that so? At least they put them pay piso for it, right? Yet police says no connections to cartels.

    Poor streetrat culprits is my bet.

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  24. "This is just a gang of five people who committed highway robberies. They don't have links to drug cartels," Mr Higuera said.
    From a Mexican official quoted in stuff.co.nz
    So either the cartel paid to distance themselves from the murders or it the truth.

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  25. Thanks for the info guys, congratulations! You are the only one on this hot subject matter keep going pls!

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  26. "PROBABLES RESPONSABLES DE HOMICIDIO DOLOSO"

    Rough translation to 'Probable (men) responsible of Doloso homicide'

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  27. The $60,000 fund that is set up should be used so that justiced can be served.

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  28. The Halcon is just as guilty as the one that pulled the trigger.

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  29. The person in the tollbooth could be the Halcon.

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    1. That's what I was thinking too.

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    2. That's such a chilling thought, but it makes total sense. That's a lot of "amor a la patria" or deep hate for foreigners as to make it personal, besides low down F'ing evil, for the creeps involved in this senseless tragedy. IMO Mexico might stand a good chance of sorting its self out if WE, los gringos y los euros would stay out of it. YO! MEXICO! Nationalize your foreign industries operating under your jurisdiction, on your land, in your waters. Take a page from Evo Morales and Boliva, or Rafael Correa's Ecuador and la revolución ciudana. Call for referendums, el pueblo can lay claim to true power, that of the people with a common goal.

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    3. Yeah, those Toll booth workers, some for sure are shady as hell.That's a job that could easily be corrupted and help the criminal world, in numerous ways.

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    4. Yeah, chicagoland had its "QUARTERS" godson stealing quarters from the toll booths, when he got out of prison he still found himself another state government job...
      --In mexico, the toll ways are owned by chinese investors and mexican narco-politicians, not all of them of course, just only almost all of them...

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  30. Here's another case of the bad guys having guns and the government keeping law abiding people unable to defend themselves.

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    1. I'm pro gun. I have one and I'm no bully. But let a retard think they stopped making guns after he on bought his.
      That's real gun control more people armed less people defenseless

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    2. If mexicans were toting guns who would be supporting the police corporations? They would not be able to scratch a living, they have it hard enough with the "weaponized by the US" narcos...
      --the US never fails to support the most criminal side of any sicariato they meet...

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    3. An armed society is a polite society

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    4. Who will support the widows of the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia if everyone is allowed to own guns in mexico?
      --another casualty will be more touristas murdered, I swear...

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  31. Not all violent acts in Mexico stem from Drug Cartels. There's an even bigger problem that has to do with the shit economy. My brother was deported 3 years, so all my info comes from him, as he is living in Coahuila, a place that has seen its fair of violence and hell. There are more than enough gangsters (from young kids to older men) there just vying for themselves that pledge no allegiance to any cartel. But don't get it twisted, they will kill you and rob you just as quickly. But it's stupid to think that all violence in Mexico is directly because of drug cartels. That's like all violence here in the U.S. is because of bloods and crips. That's just no logic thinking. I went to Mexico bright eyed, almost excited to see the land of drug cartels. Almost as if I was about to see a movie. But the reality is that the extreme lower class in Mexico gets pushed to the point of desperation, and unfortunately many do go out and perform violent acts as a result, just not always in the name of a cartel. To me that's even more frightening. I still love Mexico, and plan on visiting in a week. I recommend any U.S. born citizen of Mexican descent go and visit your family's homeland. Just don't be stupid, and go anywhere alone, talk to too many people you don't know, and if you wish to take a camera, don't take any pictures of any military or police. As my brother will tell you, it's not a good experience to have. The reason I write this is not too detract from the issue of the Australians, I just see many people on many websites and blogs automatically thinking that all violence in Mexico is the cause of all violence. Don't get me wrong, this certain event could be cartel related, but I would hate if all problems in Mexico get conveniently blamed on cartels.

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    1. I was thinking the same thing; that cartel members may even be less likely to do something like this because there is very little money to be made in robbing these guys and it only heats up the area. I thought it was probably some low level common thugs as well.

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    2. 9:30 get with the program, nothing of this can be blamed on communist or socialist narco-guerrillas, and until mexico is flooded with moslem terroristas, mexican narcos will have to be blamed for ANY AND ALL CRIMES THERE...
      --The mexican governing narco-mierdocracia is not about to start confessing right now, the US is still happy with their Puppet Government "performance"...

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    3. You are right . To many problems down there . Shut down the crossings and seal it off .

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    4. Que Dios siempre te cuide wherever you go in life

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    5. Mexico is at war, have a blast!

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  32. These guys where turned in by jefe de plaza not for murder of the White dea agents but for heating the plaza

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  33. The peaple that killed them were carillo fuentes or beltran leyva they control the area it wasnt CDS

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    1. 10:04 -No disrespect but BLO and Carrillo people murdering tourists and allowing them to be found is ridiculous. Sophisticated traffickers BLO and Amado's family (whose 2 sons I met in 2005) are highly intelligent and business men that don't kill for sport or steal from touriststas Think about the trust that must be built with a professional sicario (not talking about Aztecas, droga addicts, etc). Most important too that they don't want heat in their plaza. Some new comers may try to show indifference to killing to their lower ranking halcons and sicarios, and especially competitors; but unless there is a business reason to kill the most successful traffickers will not.

      It's apparent that Zetas thought intimidation by regular and public mutilation was good business as it works for 3rd world warlords and did for ancient superpowers - but these aren't the days of Ghengis Khan and the Zetas neophyte mistake made them a one hit wonder as did the extortion, kidnapping, etc. Unlike Zetas the Golfos, LFM, and eventually CT didn't demand discipline from their plaza bosses, sicarios, and other underlings which led to extorting, kidnapping, robbing etc - and the people won't support this and neither does the Mexican Federal Gob. CDS, the CDG and Juarez of the past - and more than dozen trafficking groups you will never hear about stick to business, implement discipline through their organization, and they understand that ego is biggest reason for downfall and greed is second.

      In Sinaloa we don't have problem with Chapo, Mayo, Azul because they traffick and wash the profits all over state and benefits the people, businesses, politicians, church, etc. Sinaloan cities and towns are safer than most US cities and people in Sinaloa getting killed are in the business and they've not paid piso, stole a load, or most often taking more than they are supposed to. Think about it; your making 200 pesos a day as worker and then you start working in the biz transporting or cleaning money and you can easily steal more in a few months than your papa made in his life....until the day you get caught.

      Last I will say, I guarantee that carretera 15 is safer now than any place in Mexico for both tourists and Mexican nationals! No doubt about this! CDS doesn't tolerate burning Caliente casinos, killing touristas, sequestadores, etc

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    2. @5:48 i'll teach you, it is very easy, whenever the .exican politicians get involved in any kind of activity, be it governance, drug trafficking, money laundering, kidnapping, politicking, military, etc etc etc, it all becomes a big motherfacking mess with bad results for all involved and even worse for the non involved...they are the ones guilty of the little narco mini-cartelitos fuck ups...

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    3. @1:11- I'm not sure what you have taught - except perhaps not to use drugs.

      I have lived my life in Culiacan or Cosalá for 48 years except 1984-1991 when I attend university in Kansas then Chicago; so allow me to teach you estudiante.
      Mexico does not operate like your nose just as America does not operate in a vacuum. The people, villages, towns, states, politicians, businesses, organized criminal cultures are different from region to region. It is incorrect to think everything you might read about Michoacan or any area of Mexico applies to all of Mexico, just as I know from experience Ottawa Kansas where I studied for 4 years and Chicago where I studied for 3 years are as different as Guadalajara and Monterrey, or Nuevo Laredo and Culiacan.
      Tu maestro,
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    4. Maestro, you have studied for too many years, ya ponte a trabajar pinchi huevon...
      --All that schooling is making too many holes in your brain, unless you played the football and got sacked too many times there is no excuse...
      -- the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia follows patterns of corruption exported from the federal level to all over the
      country, that is why with very little differences, the patterns of crime resemble each other on the different areas, that is why javier duarte de ochoa excels at murdering reporters while cesar duarte excels at stealing, trafficking and banking, but the robbing of their state resources follows a federal pattern, and the murdering, and the collective blaming of the narcos, by the governors and the press, and the news blackouts...
      --the geopolitics of crime all over the country of mexico are the fault of the national government, the puppet of the US, and their shit is all over the country, there is no time or patience to be bothering with the little different details like the names or races of their victims anymore, the times or the manner of their deaths or the planned murders of tommorrow it is time to burn down the whole Mexican Government Crime Family tree, and if a famous collidge student started working on it, his collidge would kick his ass out on the street...
      If after living for so long in mexico you don't know it is not about denying the carrillo fuentes climb to power through murdering of pablo acosta and DFS commander rafael aguilar guajardo who replaced him, and it has been getting worse thanks to the mexican DFS and all the different police corporations, all at the beck and call of US puppetmasters as are the other mexican crime families, then what can you learn?

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    5. @4:14-again I learn that you are all over the place and again; no fuma cristal.
      Tu papa

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  34. It wasnt even the guys who did it they ha ve them up just to show work

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  35. As I look at those mugshots and read the aliases below ,I see that the ones readable have name of El this and El that . I don't trust the Els . Bet their guilty . Anytime they got a El in front of their name it means theyre known for something . Bet it aint bible lessons . I think the people that done this should meat El Executioner .

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    1. Ever heard of El Papa? Gee what could he be known for?

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  36. As someone who has traveled through nearly all of Mexico on several long trips by auto, I would never recommend carrying a gun in Mexico. I would as soon be shot by bandits as to be put in jail down there which will surely happen if the the police find as much as one cartridge in your possession.

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    1. That french american tourist motorcyclist followed your advice and got shot and chopped up..good advice

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    2. Spanish tourists got kidnapped and raped in Acapulco a little before ayotzinapa right?
      --Well, in Chile they got kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered, american french english and Spanish nationals, none of it was good enough to prosecute because england has come to reconcile such matters of state, with leadership and governance, and a show of patriotism by military golpistas who had the courage and decision to carry out their heroic shenanigans, the British and the extreme american right have elevated hitler's practice to the practice of sainthood, I line with their very own "Capitalist Jesus"

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    3. I agree.I knew a tourist in La Paz who lost his expensive boat that way.The Mexican military had possession of it and they wanted $40,000 to release it.He refuses to pay the bribe and the lawyer seems to be bleeding him so 4 years later boat is deteriorating and motorbike is no longer on it.Besides a gun wouldn't have done anything especially Harry.He had a military escort.What was he going to do?Shoot all 20 guys before they got to him.If these 2 guys were pulled over in police uniforms that's the last thing you would want to show a cop down there.Again there was 6 of the bad guys versus 2 of them and the bad guys would have bigger guns.

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    4. @ 1:20. In regards to the spanish tourist rape case in Acapulco: Word had it on the street that the girls from Spain did not want to pay their drug debt. Also from what I heard is that she refused the medical exam to confirm that she was raped.

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  37. MrProGun : learn to proofread before you shoot.

    Scott: Right On,
    it's a crying shame they dont do more about crimes on innocent , good Mexicanos. Mexico is a fabulous rich country full of good people , we just get to read about the shitheads. Too many bad guys and dolls on bad hard drugs , more petty crime even if it is not directly cartel related. Looks to me like the good old fashioned bandito robbing obvious targets. Sure , the cops could be hanging it on these guys , but they don't look like real good guys either. Probably never know the whole truth. I read a Mexican police / detective novel in Spanish three times before I could figure out the point. THAT was the point , get it ? No one can ever figure out Mexican police / detective story because they never square .

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    1. According to the first law of gravity, shit rolls down hill...
      --and at the top of the hill is the US passing shit down to the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia to spread around on the mexican peoples faces while the US resupplies as if on cue...

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  38. Hey Scott,
    Just read about a dude that got caught ripping off 15kilos of frozen chicken legs out the back door of some little tiendita in Mulege, BCS. Employees caught him , he tried to flee but they tackled him and got him arrested. Way to go ! No guns involved. Someone will say he had to feed the cartel. Jest sayin'........

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    1. Lydia Cacho got arrested, raped, and sent to prison with "las tortilleras" to be slapped on the snout by governor of "Puebla de las Princesas de Atlixco" Mario Marin, who don't want people like that on "his state"...
      --Her crime: exposing the red of child prostitution and mexican and foreign pederastas that built CANCUN'S billion dollar touristic paradise and marin and friends own practice of pederastia, including Arab businessmen, mexican politicians and televisa executives...
      --that is the mexican government the US supports and finances with hand me down weapons and billions of dollars an elegant philosophical and legal principles of sovereign impunity for their mexican political puppets...

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  39. I have traveled to Mexico for 40 yrs. Driving . Yeah , things are worse. Interaction with Mexican authorities , incl Border Crossings :25% bad, 75% good to Excellent. Helpful even . I have found it useful to know Spanish , the more the better, but most folks are friendly and helpful if you try and are friendly too. Lots of ugly American sitings , argueing in English over the price of beer , as if it matters. Making friends in Mexico means everything. Be polite , respectful and friendly. Do not be stupid, arrogant, and drunk in public or travel at night . I have LOTS of stories, the good ,the bad and the ugly. Use common sense and stay alert. We are the guests, show RESPETO.

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  40. Clearly the word came down from the government to the cartels to find who was responsible, or else. These group of drugged up nitwits were rounded up and handed over so that business would continue unabated. It's a shame that normal crimes of violence. In Mexico aren't solved as quickly.

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    1. Youre probably right.Cartels or criminals found the 1s that did it because they ordered it.Sacrifical lamb.

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  41. What if this world never had Methamphetamine? It would be a more Mello place.Isis are Tweakers and so are a lot of Mexican criminals , and a lot of people here in the states are Tweakers, Las Vegas is really Bad, Meth , no mammal really needs it.

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    1. 6:33pm - I agree. Our biggest drug problem with the kids used to be blue but it seems that around 2005 meth was being smoked by street people and so many girls in sex trade. It seems to be this way in even most conservative cities like Leon,Guanajuato, and even some of the little villages in la Sierra where people know each other and don't do more than mota.

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    2. I'm 11:40 - I mean to say glue not blue was biggest problem with drog in past

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  42. Has anyone ran the suspects name's to see if they are wanted in the U.S. or Canada?

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  43. Damn these mexican police are good why doesnt A&E start filming first 48 foreigners only

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    1. The mexican poolice can solve cases in 48 seconds, that too quick for the gabacho program, BUT if they hire genaro garcia luna and carlos slim helu, associated with televisa, nooo, no se la acaban resolviendo mexican crimenes, with 4 or 5 different i mean "alternate" sets of voluntarily confessed perps...per case...maybe as soon as analog tv is dead in mexico and the internet is moved to malaysia...

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  44. Chivis,
    Did you hear Misael Torres is out of jail?

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